Romney newtered in South Carolina…

A comfortable win for Gingrich in South Carolina as the BBC reports.

The scale of the win (40-28) must be of particular concern to Romney.

RealClearPolitics is particularly damning with it’s three takeaways from SC.

1) There is no good news buried in here for Mitt Romney

…2) This is worse than George W. Bush’s loss to John McCain in New Hampshire. John McCain caught Bush off-guard in 2000, but Bush was given an opportunity to regroup. He hadn’t fired any major shots at McCain at that point, and was able to bury McCain beneath a torrent of attacks in South Carolina.

3) Analysts are kidding themselves if they say Romney is the inevitable nominee. Simply put, there are very few states where he can perform among the major demographic groups the way he performed in South Carolina and still expect to win…….

…..This vote was an utter repudiation of Romney, and it absolutely will be repeated in state after state if something doesn’t change the basic dynamic of the race. It is true that Gingrich doesn’t have funds or organization, but he gets a ton of free media from the debates, and he has an electorate that simply wants someone other than Romney.

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  • sliabhluachra

    Obamam must be happy.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Who ?

  • Dewi

    I would not underestimate Gingrich – there really can’t be many closet skeletons left. He’s also pretty good at the process I think.

  • keano10

    The Democrats must be rubbing their hands at this whole charade. I agree that Gingrich should not be underestimated but he has never been universally liked within his own party let alone have the broad appeal to sway the millions of undecided voters. I saw the interview with his ex-wife and I get the feeling that she is not going to go away anytime soon.

    Hell hath no fury…

  • cynic2

    Never mind the old one – have you seen the current Mrs G? Scary. Like a Derry woman after lots of plastic surgery. They make a wonderful couple!

  • Comrade Stalin

    Callista Gingrich looks like some sort of Stepford wife.

  • pauluk

    If Newt gets the nomination he will be the only candidate courageous enough to take full advantage of Obama’s huge strategic mistake in scuppering the Canada-US Keystone pipeline. Have a peek at how Newt will use this appeasement of liberal madness.

  • As I was saying previously:

    Those good-livin’, white-lovin’, Bible-thumpin’ patriots prefer the pot-smokin’, bed-hoppin’, draft-dodgin’, cheque-bouncin’, child-desertin’, lyin’ love-rat?
    Yep. Seems so.

    By the way, catch Howard Fineman at HuffPo, who reckons on the blood-shed lasting until May. Fineman has a few wrinkles on the mess-potential mess of the Florida Primary, which — Heh, heh! — could go all the way to the GOP Convention.

  • Would pauluk care to amplify his support for Keystone, especially by explaining that one of the “big winners” would be Koch Industries. As an aide-memoire, he might start by refuting in some detail this little lot. A New Yorker piece, Covert Operations, is also worth a revisit.

    There is, by the way, the Alberta Clipper pipeline already completed. It and its potential profits just doesn’t go the way Gingrich and Koch think they should.

  • Stu DeNimm

    These contests help US political parties even when they are divisive. In the Democratic Party, outside of years when a DP incumbent is running, the typical pattern is: eventual center-right nominee annointed by the party establishment well before primaries start; liberal base of the party and leftwing hangers-on grumble; liberal-to-social democratic candidate runs a no-hope campaign, then endorses the center right winner. That gives the liberal and leftists the illusion that they have a stake in the party, and it makes them care about the party for a while.

    The same thing is going on with the Republicans. The party leadership chose a centrist candidate (that’s centrist relative to the US spectrum, where any welfare state spending or any slowing in the growth of the military is considered Maoism.) Half of the Republican base think Romney should be burned at the stake for being a Mormon blasphemer, and all of them think he is not bigoted enough, but they are all going to vote for him in the end. They run the Sanatoriums and the Gingriches, who keep the faithful salivating over inner party politics, that is, caring about the party. Then they will concede and endorse Romney.

  • pauluk

    Malcolm, the Left’s, especially the New York Times’, irrational obsession concerning the Koch brothers is systematically and devastatingly exposed by the writers at Powerline blog. I’m sure they will have excellent answers to all your silly ‘questions’.

    The two big winners from an underground – for the most part – pipeline from Canada to refineries in the US would be:

    * the environment, through less dangerous and less toxic methods of transportation (cuts out pollution created by shipping the raw material over the Rockies and by boat to China, to be refined there in much less stringent conditions, and also cuts down on shipping oil to the US from the Middle East, and, as a bonus, radically reduces American dependence on Arab oil;

    * American and Canadian workers, i.e. a huge number of temporary jobs (years of work, nonetheless) during the actual construction phase, and then a large number of high-paying permanent jobs at the various refineries and distribution links.

    Maybe it’s a little harsh, but, really, only a brain-dead liberal zombie would fail to recognise or acknowledge the benefits for everyone in North America, and on the planet, for that matter, from such a plan. Some folks just need to wise up!

  • pauluk

    Malcolm, here’s an article called Environmentalism and the Leisure Class from The American Spectator that you might find interesting and, perhaps, illuminating.

  • This “brain-dead liberal zombie” (Hey! How original and objective can you get!) is fully aware of the political bias of the Power Line Blog — their “hired guns” and who hires them. Which should we think is the more toxic of the Hinderaker /Johnson connections: that to Koch or the one to Abramoff?

    What makes Gingrich’s outburst all the more corrupt, specious and self-serving are:
    ¶ the Saudi interests in the Gulf Coast refineries. Apart from TransCanada, these are the main beneficiaries of transporting dilute bitumen across the main US aquifer, at high pressure, in untested, unapproved thinner steel, through an area of recent seismic activity — when there’s already the underused Alberta Clipper alternative to Illinois, which you patently ignore.
    And …
    ¶ the notion that therein is an “environmental” gain in conveying the Athabasca Oil Sands and/or Bakken Shale product and associated mega-tons of filth, CO2 and SO2 to be refined in what is already the most polluted part of the US. Take a gander at the NASA/NOAA map of the Gulf Coast “dead zone” sometime.

    For what it’s worth, there are direct cash flows from Koch to oh-so-many “conservative” media outlets. Tick ’em off: Hinderaker (his law firm has Koch as a major client — quelle surprise!), Orion Strategies (and thereby the Weekly Standard lot), the Phillips Foundation, the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute — shucks, you get the general idea. Not for nothing does Greenpeace and its like refer to the Kochtopus Media Network.

  • sliabhluachra

    Malcolm: Thank you for the Koch links. My first thought was: how could I get some of their loot and my second was of an Irish friend who manages that.
    How could one become President of the USA without a big bankroller? Obama, the Nobel Prize winner, had his. He blew the other Democrats out of the water. In Ireland, no party has the funds Sin n Fein have.

  • My excellent post [23 January 2012 at 3:11 am] “is awaiting moderation”. This is because it transgresses by having no fewer than three hot links.

    So, to make life easier for all, here’s part one:

    This “brain-dead liberal zombie” (Hey! How original and objective can you get!) is fully aware of the political bias of the Power Line Blog — their “hired guns” and who hires them. Which should we think is the more toxic of the Hinderaker /Johnson connections: that to Koch or the one to Abramoff?

    What makes Gingrich’s outburst all the more corrupt, specious and self-serving are:
    ¶ the Saudi interests in the Gulf Coast refineries. Apart from TransCanada, these are the main beneficiaries of transporting dilute bitumen across the main US aquifer, at high pressure, in untested, unapproved thinner steel, through an area of recent seismic activity — when there’s already the underused Alberta Clipper alternative to Illinois, which you patently ignore.

    And … more to come.

  • And … on to part two:

    ¶ the notion that therein is an “environmental” gain in conveying the Athabasca Oil Sands and/or Bakken Shale product and associated mega-tons of filth, CO2 and SO2 to be refined in what is already the most polluted part of the US. Take a gander at the NASA/NOAA map of the Gulf Coast “dead zone” sometime.

    For what it’s worth, there are direct cash flows from Koch to oh-so-many “conservative” media outlets. Tick ‘em off: Hinderaker (his law firm has Koch as a major client — quelle surprise!), Orion Strategies (and thereby the Weekly Standard lot), the Phillips Foundation, the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute — shucks, you get the general idea. Not for nothing does Greenpeace and its like refer to the Kochtopus Media Network.

    Tsk! Simples!

  • Greenflag

    Although it’s early days my gut instinct tells me that Gingrich will appeal to that half of Republicans who know that their God takes a personal interest in the goings on of the Presidential Election. Its not clear how many of this voting group believe that their particular deity is a wrathful and vengeful one i.e God or a forgiving nice guy/gal kind of invisible overseer. For the sake of the eternal destinatory prospects of the crop of Republican candidates for the presidency it would be unkind not to hope for a ‘forgiving’ Almighty.

    I’ve no idea of the Mormonic vision of what comes after the grim reaper ? I would think that Romney’s vision of hell would bear a resemblance to the current nomination process which seems as if it might go to the convention floor .

    What may help Gingrich in Florida is the current very much unpopular Governor Rick Scott who I believe was/is a Romney supporter . Florida may also see the end of Santorum’s run and who he endorses as GOP nominee will be a pointer to the eventual nominee.

    Ron Paul did well in S-Carolina quadrupling his vote from the last 2008 election.

  • Greenflag

    @pauluk,

    You might want to take an interest in what’s happening in the Gulf of Mexico -after all those waters and their offspring the warm Gulf Stream is all that keeps Britain and Ireland from having the same kind of fauna and climate as the Siberian taiga or the Labradoran tundra ,

    There is of course the ‘argument’ that global warming is actually delaying the next ice age and thus a good thing or will be for future grape growers in England and would be citrus farmers in Ireland in decades hence .The only problem being that vast tracts of south eastern England and Ireland will be like Florida -underwater and I don’t mean in the negative equity sense .

  • The question Alexander Pope hung round a canine neck, a quarter of a millennium ago, should still resonate:
    I am his Majesty’s dog at Kew,
    Pray tell me, sir, whose dog are you?

    I’m a great admirer of much of the US political system; but it’s far from perfect. And Pope’s question should come back as: who owns Gingrich?

    Fortunately, Alexander Cockburn can help us:

    Enter 78-year old Sheldon Adelson, the world’s 16th richest man, a bit dented by the property crash in Nevada but still with $23 billion at his disposal. The sun rises on his empire in Las Vegas, sets on it in the east in Macao, with its zenith over the state of Israel, whence his second wife hails. On Israel Adelson entertains very harsh views about the advisability of negotiations of any sort with Palestinians and lately has been lobbying fiercely – he owns the free weekday Israel Hayom, the largest circulation newspaper in Israel – for an attack on Iran.

    When Newt Gingrich, fishing for Zionist money, abandoned his previous, relatively temperate posture on the Israel/Palestine issue, and declared that Palestinians were an “invented people”, he was directing his remarks to an audience of one.

    Adelson was exceeding pleased and expressed his gratification in material terms, with a further $5 million, now staking Gingrich’s campaign ads in South Carolina. To date Adelson has donated about $13 million to Gingrich’s campaign – a US record.

    Cockburn being Co’burn, that snippet is headed-and-tailed by a swipe at Democrats. Similarly, Cockburn being Co’burn, I see him plagiarising that piece elsewhere (it’s just dropped, updated only slightly, into my inbox from The Week — which is what reminded me.)

    Now, is there a link between Adelson and the Kochs? Or is Newt just looking for his next fix of folding greenies?

  • sliabhluachra

    Malcolm: Why not write your ideas in simple, unambiguous English? Oil, Israel etc are big business. The Gulf of Mexico has been mentioned. But oil is needed from those places as safer places have been sucked dry?
    Why is the oil needed? Because the USA and elsewhere are consumer crazy guzzlers of oil, Lefties want their oil and to use it too.
    Gandhi figures will never e US Presidents.
    Can you point us to a candidate who is not owned?

  • Harry Flashman

    Today a US carrier group is sailing through the Straits of Hormuz to “safeguard” the supply of Saudi oil to the US at the risk of causing a war with Iran a country that the Saudis loathe.

    The other day the President Obama vetoed a plan to build a safe, environmentally clean pipeline to supply oil from Canada to the US.

    It seems to me that Saudi oil money has bought and paid for more US presidents than George W Bush.

  • sliabhluachra

    arry: Let’s be fair to the “emerging” democracy of Saudi Arabia. They do not loathe Irian. They only loathe Shiites and that is why they slaughter them in Saudi, in Bahrain and, they hope, in Iran too.
    Let us hope China sends fraternal aid to Iran and kick off the big one, just as the Holy Bible has said “rivers of the East”;)

  • Harry Flashman @ 1:22 pm:

    Only the facts, Ma’am.

    There’s only one “Strait of Hormuz”.

    17% of US oil imports originate from the Gulf. Saudi sources say almost all its oil exports could be conveyed through the East-West pipeline. That is why the oil markets haven’t gone ballistic. A further irony is this would benefit the US east-coast and Gulf refineries (the latter, of course, being among the main boosters of Keystone XL).

    The US normally has at least one carrier in the area: CVN-74 Stennis has been there since last September, and is expected to remain until March. CVN-70 Vinson has been on station since 9th January. CVN-72 Lincoln left Thailand on 10 January, but there are doubts that it is combat-ready, and apparently has no intention of “zorching” to the scene (yes: that seems to be the technical term). All are Nimitz-class nuclear-powered carriers.

    Outside the sponsors and their paid shills (oh, and organised labor — nice to see Harry on the side those those angels for a change), there are very few who believe Keystone XL is Persil-white “safe, environmentally clean”. It won’t carry oil: it will transport dilute bitumen and (possibly) Bakken Shale goo. It isn’t any kind of national essential: there’s already the Alberta Clipper — and many observers see Keystone adding surplus and unnecessary capacity.

    Obama has not “vetoed” Keystone. The limit of federal power is to link across the Canadian border: apart from that, Keystone can proceed, carrying the stuff from the Williston Basin and the Bakken Oil Shale Formation (the largest deposit in the US). He merely denied a permit at this stage, on existing plans. He had refused to be bounced into an unnecessarily-early decision by the machinations of the House Republicans. He in fact invited TransCanada to re-apply, which the company have accepted.

    Now, I can reference all that information, should anyone need it. Why does nobody else go beyond wild assertion here?

    Agreed: all politicians are “owned” (which was Pope’s point); but some are more “owned” than others.

  • pauluk

    Malcolm: [Hindraker] – his law firm has Koch as a major client — quelle surprise!

    How gullible can one get? But I bet you John Hindraker wishes he did do major work for Koch! (Mal, seems like you are still smarting over Hindraker’s success in exposing Dan Rather’s lies about George Bush 😉 )

    Greenflag

    An inconvenient truth about Gore’s Inconvenient Truth is that Gore’s ‘truth’ about the seas rising is just not happening as predicted. In fact, he recently bought a huge mansion along the coast.

    As I said, gullible!

    PS Malcolm, get it straight from the horses mouth: Charles Koch explains the philosophy that drives both his company’s extraordinary success and his own commitment to upholding the principles of free enterprise… more

    PPS Greenflag, watch how an Irish (?) journalist is treated for asking Gore an inconvenient question.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    I would point out that, once upon a time, the Dems were rubbing their hands together at the prospect of running against a B-movie actor who plaid straight man to a chimpanzee. History doesn’t repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    *sigh* “played straight man…”

  • Greenflag

    @ Dread Cthulhu,

    Good point above at 5.11 p.m . Jimmy Carter an otherwise decent man and a ‘real ‘Christian ‘to this day lost out to the lead human role in ‘Bedtime for Bozo’ due to the Iranian ‘hostage ‘ crisis and perceptions of how Carter had handled that issue.

    Gingrich cuts more affable and for all his foot in mouth misstatements a more ‘humane ‘figure than the somewhat bloodless and aloof Romney . Of course Romney and Santorum will be expecting some more foot in mouth bloomers form the Catholic/Southern Baptist/Lutheran /pro open marriage/school children for janitorial work work ethics program. His association with Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac and his ‘lobbyist ‘ money grabbing role in recent years will no doubt be hitting the headlines in Florida this week and in November should he make it through .

    Truth is that the GOP haven’t a candidate who could unite the country on the basis of an ABO (anyone but Obama) platform .

  • Greenflag

    @ Dread Cthulhu,

    Good point above at 5.11 p.m . Jimmy Carter an otherwise decent man and a ‘real ‘Christian ‘to this day lost out to the lead human role in ‘Bedtime for Bozo’ due to the Iranian ‘hostage ‘ crisis and perceptions of how Carter had handled that issue.

    Gingrich cuts more affable and for all his foot in mouth misstatements a more ‘humane ‘figure than the somewhat bloodless and aloof Romney . Of course Romney and Santorum will be expecting some more foot in mouth bloomers form the Catholic/Southern Baptist/Lutheran /pro open marriage/school children for janitorial work work ethics program. His association with Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac and his ‘lobbyist ‘ money grabbing role in recent years will no doubt be hitting the headlines in Florida this week and in November should he make it through .

    Truth is that the GOP haven’t a candidate who could unite the country on the basis of an ABO (anyone but Obama) platform .
    The GOP are toast not that that should cheer the USA for in truth the USA is toast in the sense of it’s economy is going the same way as that of Britain – which is now desperatley trying to persuade the Chinese that they need to use London for their ‘yuan ‘ currency ‘ transactions and foreign investment business . Ah well I suppose it’s an improvement although probably not by much of peddling opium to the Chinese in George Orwell’s fathers day in the hope of reducing the then British trade imbalance with China .

  • pauluk @ 4.13 pm:

    Not even close enough for a whiff of cigarillo.

    First, the name is Hinderaker. I don’t know if the man avait le feu au derrière.

    Second, I believe Hinderaker is still an attorney with Faegre and Benson (now Faegre Baker Daniels LLP).

    Faegre and Benson are on record representing Koch Industries on several occasions, at least one of which copped an eight-figure fine. So no small beer:
    ¶ there have been actions over Koch’s “method” (it amounts to theft — “by mismeasuring the amount of crude it was extracting”, but see below) in Texas and North Dakota — the class action in Oklahoma may still be in progress;
    ¶ F&B acted for Koch against an environmental whistleblower;
    ¶ F&B acted for Koch against another Koch employee over the dubious “weather derivatives” operation;
    ¶ F&B acted for Koch against at least one sub-contractor.

    That lefty dirt-sheet, Bloomberg Markets magazine, exposed the “Koch method” as recently as last November’s issue (it was actually published at the start of October 2011). The full article, which details the Koch political background (not excluding the infamous John Birch Society) is on-line here.

    On which happy note, all the way from 1962, the Chad Mitchell Trio:

    Oh, we’re meetin’ at the courthouse at eight o’clock tonight:
    You just walk in the door and take the first turn to the right —
    Be careful when you get there, we hate to be bereft
    But we’re taking down the names of everybody turning left.
    Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society,
    Here to save our country from a communistic plot!
    Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks
    To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks.

    You should get the rest here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG6taS9R1KM

  • pauluk @ 4.13 pm:

    Not even close enough for a whiff of cigarillo.

    First, the name is Hinderaker. I don’t know if the man avait le feu au derrière.

    Second, I believe Hinderaker is still an attorney with Faegre and Benson (now Faegre Baker Daniels LLP).

    Faegre and Benson are on record representing Koch Industries on several occasions, at least one of which copped an eight-figure fine. So no small beer:
    ¶ there have been actions over Koch’s “method” (it amounts to theft — “by mismeasuring the amount of crude it was extracting”, but see below) in Texas and North Dakota — the class action in Oklahoma may still be in progress;
    ¶ F&B acted for Koch against an environmental whistleblower;
    ¶ F&B acted for Koch against another Koch employee over the dubious “weather derivatives” operation;
    ¶ F&B acted for Koch against at least one sub-contractor.

    That lefty dirt-sheet, Bloomberg Markets magazine, exposed the “Koch method” as recently as last November’s issue (it was actually published at the start of October 2011). The full article, which details the Koch political background (not excluding the infamous John Birch Society) is on-line here.

    On which happy note, all the way from 1962, the Chad Mitchell Trio:

    Oh, we’re meetin’ at the courthouse at eight o’clock tonight:
    You just walk in the door and take the first turn to the right —
    Be careful when you get there, we hate to be bereft
    But we’re taking down the names of everybody turning left.
    Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society,
    Here to save our country from a communistic plot!
    Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks
    To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks.

    You should get the rest here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG6taS9R1KM

  • Once again Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Let me try once more before I take my wit and wisdom to more deserving quarters.

    First, I objected to pauluk @ 4.13 pm on the ground that the name is Hinderaker. I don’t know if the man avait le feu au derrière.

    Second, I believe Hinderaker is still an attorney with Faegre and Benson (now Faegre Baker Daniels LLP).

    Let’s see if that passes muster!

  • Good, let me continue … and address Hinderaker’s business links to Koch.

    Faegre and Benson are on record representing Koch Industries on several occasions, at least one of which copped an eight-figure fine. So no small beer:
    ¶ there have been actions over Koch’s “method” (it amounts to theft — “by mismeasuring the amount of crude it was extracting”, but see below) in Texas and North Dakota — the class action in Oklahoma may still be in progress;
    ¶ F&B acted for Koch against an environmental whistleblower;
    ¶ F&B acted for Koch against another Koch employee over the dubious “weather derivatives” operation;
    ¶ F&B acted for Koch against at least one sub-contractor.

    Now, if that in default of Slugger proprieties?

  • Ah! So far, so good. (Apart from the if/is typo).

    Onward and upward! The dreadful malfeasance must new in this bit:

    That lefty dirt-sheet, Bloomberg Markets magazine, exposed the “Koch method” as recently as last November’s issue (it was actually published at the start of October 2011). The full article, which details the Koch political background (not excluding the infamous John Birch Society) is on-line here.

  • Good grief! The objection must be to my final chirrup, reprising a joyful memory from my happy youth!

    All the way from 1962, with the Chad Mitchell Trio:

    Oh, we’re meetin’ at the courthouse at eight o’clock tonight:
    You just walk in the door and take the first turn to the right —
    Be careful when you get there, we hate to be bereft
    But we’re taking down the names of everybody turning left.
    Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society,
    Here to save our country from a communistic plot!
    Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks
    To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks.

    I concluded by noting the rest of the lyrics were on YouTube. Could that hot-link be the point at which I transgressed?

  • Dewi

    They all seem to be fine Malcolm.

  • As a fumbling apology for the cock-up above (which, I maintain, was not wholly my fault), may I follow from Greenflag @ 5:56 pm?

    It took a long while for Carter’s merits to be appreciated. I couldn’t see him elected in present circumstances. Arguably, he shouldn’t have been at the time. He was the fall-out from Nixon, of course; and the House had stacked the deck by allowing only Ford as substitute. Oddly, Ford wasn’t a disaster by every measure (see the wikipedia amalgam of rankings).

    Ford, though, was the last vestige of “liberal Republicanism”. Even more bizarre, his Veep was Nelson Rockefeller. Since then, it’s all been downhill for that tendency.

    Which brings me to Professor John Perry, as the New York Times Opinionator, looking for a multi-dimensional way of depicting political postures.

    He suggests:
    the left-to-right dimension for a candidate’s opinion about the appropriate level of government involvement in ownership and regulation of the means of production, and the distribution of goods and money.
    the up and down (“high” and “low”) dimension for commitment to the Bill of Rights, high for the most, low for the least.
    the third dimension, in front of or behind the surface of a piece of paper or a computer screen, for foreign policy. Behind for isolationist (“iso”), in front for interventionist (“inter”).

    He concludes: Obama is in area 1: left, high and inter (not that far to the left, not that high and not that inter). Paul is in area 6: right, high, iso (far to the right, very high, very iso). Romney, according to his current testimony, is in area 4: right, low, inter.

    He even has a crude but effective drawing to illustrate this, which categorises from right dingbat to very left, low crazy.

    What becomes clear is that the left-field, anything beyond Obama’s middle-position, is totally empty. I’d suggest that is not healthy. The republican candidates may crowd to the right, but are most obviously distinguished by their postures on —

    ¶ the Bill of Rights (i.e. personal freedom) — Ron Paul is at the top, Obama nearer the middle, Santorum, who devoutly wants the government in the bedroom, near the bottom.
    and
    ¶ “know-nothing” versus “the big swinging-dick” foreign policy — Paul goes far behind, very iso. Santorum, who is ready to bomb Iran, is far out in front, very inter. A bit further back are Romney and Gingrich. As usual, Obama goes somewhere near the middle, well in front of Paul, but behind most Republicans — reluctantly somewhat inter, I suppose.

  • pauluk

    Hey, Malcolm, got things to do.

    Have a great life! (That’s if you ever get one! 😉 )

  • Dread Cthulhu

    GF: “Good point above at 5.11 p.m . Jimmy Carter an otherwise decent man and a ‘real ‘Christian ‘to this day lost out to the lead human role in ‘Bedtime for Bozo’ due to the Iranian ‘hostage ‘ crisis and perceptions of how Carter had handled that issue.”

    Carter let the rescue attempt to be run like the Special Olympics — no unit integrity, b/c everyone and his brother were in line to get a medal. Not necessarily his fault, but his responsibility.

    GF: “Gingrich cuts more affable and for all his foot in mouth misstatements a more ‘humane ‘figure than the somewhat bloodless and aloof Romney . Of course Romney and Santorum will be expecting some more foot in mouth bloomers form the Catholic/Southern Baptist/Lutheran /pro open marriage/school children for janitorial work work ethics program. His association with Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac and his ‘lobbyist ‘ money grabbing role in recent years will no doubt be hitting the headlines in Florida this week and in November should he make it through .”

    The problem with the whole “open marriage” tsuras is that the tale has been in the public domain for years — Gingrich may have skeletons in his closet, but most of them are out in the open.

    GF: “Truth is that the GOP haven’t a candidate who could unite the country on the basis of an ABO (anyone but Obama) platform .”

    That remains to be seen — like I said, Reagan was supposed to be a tomato can, too. Obama doesn’t have much of a record to run on, fails the “are you better off than you were four years ago” test and there are ten months of silly season yet to go.

  • Dr. Miriam Adelson, … wife of Sheldon Adelson, a longtime Gingrich friend and a patron who this month contributed $5 million to the super PAC, Winning Our Future. Dr. Adelson’s check will bring the couple’s total contributions to Winning Our Future to $10 million, a figure that could substantially neutralize the millions of dollars already being spent in Florida by Mr. Romney and Restore Our Future, a super PAC supporting him.

    From today’s Gray Lady.

    Concise enough for everyone?

    Thanks for the good wish, pauluk @ 9:44 pm. I have enjoyed most of my statutory three-score-and-ten. Now, mind you keep off those porky pies, and I’m sure fortune will smile equally on you.

  • Greenflag

    @ Dread Cthulu,

    ‘Obama doesn’t have much of a record to run on, fails the “are you better off than you were four years ago” test and there are ten months of silly season yet to go.’

    True enough . As the candidates pull in sorry their Superpacs pull in millions of dollars which will be spent in enriching TV stations as they drown the state with ‘negative’ advertising one has to wonder exactly what all of the crap has to do with the actual state of Florida which has officially a 10% unemployment rate (actually closer to 15%) , hundreds of thousands of homes lining up for foreclosure despite the half decade which has past since the property bubble burst of 2005 and the Wall St crash of 2007/2008.

    In a country where half the population some 150 million people have no financial assets bar their next pay check and have no assets never mind net equity and in a State which ranks near the bottom of the table of all USA States for educational standards, but which also is home (winter home ) to some of the USA’s wealthiest 1% it’s hard not to see this entire ‘nomination ‘process as an exercise in ‘obscenity’of an order that should sicken Floridians given the current state of their economy and the local property market.

    I guess the sunshine must blind the locals to the shower of shitehawks that have descended on the State ? Not to worry. .In a week or so the circus will move on to another venue as the world’s most expensive election charade continues to amuse and titillate viewers in what appears to becoming more of a Jerry Springer like ‘exposee’ series of a mix of bed hopping antics , cult religions, born again freaks and tax avoiding financial shenanigans 🙁

    Talk about giving democracy a bad name ? Maybe Chou En Lai -Mao Tse Tung’s Foreign Minister had a point when he replied to a French journalist’s question re the historical impact of the French Revolution that ‘it was too soon to say ‘.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    GF: “As the candidates pull in sorry their Superpacs pull in millions of dollars which will be spent in enriching TV stations as they drown the state with ‘negative’ advertising one has to wonder exactly what all of the crap has to do with the actual state of Florida which has officially a 10% unemployment rate (actually closer to 15%) , hundreds of thousands of homes lining up for foreclosure despite the half decade which has past since the property bubble burst of 2005 and the Wall St crash of 2007/2008.”

    Prolly worse than that — the Obama administration “revised” the number of American job downward to keep the unemployment rates lower.

    GF: “I guess the sunshine must blind the locals to the shower of shitehawks that have descended on the State ? Not to worry. .In a week or so the circus will move on to another venue as the world’s most expensive election charade continues to amuse and titillate viewers in what appears to becoming more of a Jerry Springer like ‘exposee’ series of a mix of bed hopping antics , cult religions, born again freaks and tax avoiding financial shenanigans”

    As opposed to the Alinsky-following, Rezko dealing, Chicago = machine rolling El Presidente, who brought us the billion dollar campaign back in 2008, when he decided his word wasn’t worth keeping?

    As for your last, I would remind you that the Chinese practice democracy they way they practice free-trade and the protection of intellectual property…

  • Dewi

    Can Gringrich really win Dread? – A serial adulterer, a government insider, an ethics violator….Romney must be really unpopular for it to get so far…mind you Newt knows how to fight….

  • Dread Cthulhu

    There’s many a slip between the cup and the lip.

    Newt may be all those things, Dewi. But he’s the only Speaker of the House to preside over a balanced budget — did I mention the Dems haven’t presented a budget for, what, 2.5 *YEARS* now?

    Reagen was a divorcee, a B movie actor who lost all the good lines to a chimpanzee. Hell, iirc, the polls still had Carter winning right up until election night.

    Ask me about his chances again this summer when gasoline hits $4.50 a gallon.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    It isn’t that Romney is unpopular, it is that he’s bland. He is Obama-lite, right down to claiming that he’s never made a political mistake. Newt, bless his heart, is at least willing to fight for what he says he wants and admit that he’s not exactly led a perfect life.

    Romney can’t even admit that Mass-Care, which has made things worse (access to insurances does *NOT* equal access to a physician…) instead of better.

  • access to insurances does *NOT* equal access to a physician…

    Sadly true. Even in the UK — try having a coronary at Cape Wrath. And, even in the metropolis, make sure you get triage from the experienced A&E nurse, rather than any intern house-surgeon, especially in mid-August [per advice from a senior consultant].

    However, the issue here is RomneyCare (a.k.a. the Massachusetts Healthcare Reform Act, Chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006).

    What is unanswerable is that Massachusetts has 99% of the state’s populace covered by health insurance. That’s up from 90% (which itself was a high-mark for the US) before RomneyCare. Nationally, even with ObamaCare, there are nearly 16% of Americans with no health insurance, in the only major industrialised nation in the world without universal healthcare.

    My subjective impression is that there is no great grief in Massachusetts about RomneyCare. The Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation declare it “a huge success”. The Urban Institute polled employers and found that there was no drop in employer provision: other studies suggest there is an actual increase in employer cover. The Blue Cross Foundation say it worked “as well as anyone expected”.

    What is frightening about this campaign is how Romney has to poor-mouth his own considerable achievement. That tells us all we need to know about today’s GOP.

    Compare and contrast Eisenhower’s Special Message to Congress, 31st January 1955.

  • Dewi
  • Dread Cthulhu

    MR: “What is unanswerable is that Massachusetts has 99% of the state’s populace covered by health insurance. That’s up from 90% (which itself was a high-mark for the US) before RomneyCare.”

    Which, as we stated and *AGREED* to above, does not constitute access to actual healthcare.

    MR: “Nationally, even with ObamaCare, there are nearly 16% of Americans with no health insurance, in the only major industrialised nation in the world without universal healthcare.”

    Obamacare is less honest, matching 6-7 years of services against 10 years of taxes to appear to be a sustainable program.

    MR: “My subjective impression is that there is no great grief in Massachusetts about RomneyCare.”

    Objectively, it has been less than stellar. It has not, for example, decreased the wait at emergency rooms, as was promised.

    MR: “What is frightening about this campaign is how Romney has to poor-mouth his own considerable achievement. That tells us all we need to know about today’s GOP.”

    His choice — how does he run *against* Obamacare, whilst touting Romneycare is the question.

  • Dread Cthulhu @ 1:39 am:

    Never having experienced Massachusetts A&E, I cannot possibly comment on the patient experience. And didn’t. It’s also undeniable that ObamaCare is a long way short of where it should be, short of where a decent, advanced society should be — and short of where he promised and wanted it would be.

    Your final point — how does he run *against* Obamacare, whilst touting Romneycare is the question — is where we would find common ground. This is, after all, a thread on matters political.

    Which is why I see Eisenhower as a valid marker, mainly as a measure of how US politics have moved so far to the right that Ike is off the scale to the left.

    I admit to being a reluctant admirer of the alternative thread of Republican ideology — the “liberal Republicans” who, dammit, started the Party in New England, and now are almost an extinct species. Maine (Senators Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins) seems to have a protection order on the last of the breed.

    The GOP has trashed its own history with near-Stalinist efficiency: when did we last hear Republicans honour the memories of such as Nelson Rockefeller, Jacob Javits, Margaret Chase Smith, Clifford Case, and Mark Hatfield (the last who co-sponsored with George McGovern amendments to end the Vietnam engagement)? The few who persist are derided by their own party as “RINOs”. The likes of Jim Jeffords, Lincoln Chafee and Arlen Specter have been driven out. John McCain, last time out, had to run against his own “Maverick” history and claim, wrongly, always to have been a conservative. Now Romney, too, has to deny his own record.

    [Going off topic: please ignore — ]
    1. The lodestar for US conservatives, for half-a-century was wise-and-witty William F. Buckley, with (from the NYT obituary) his ten-dollar words and a darting tongue writers loved to compare to an anteater’s. When comes such another? Surely not from the Fox stable.

    2. I recall the last time Massachusetts healthcare came up as a topic, it was when Mary Harney, of blasted blessed memory, was touting the “Boston Model” as the one to follow.

  • Harry Flashman

    “there are nearly 16% of Americans with no health insurance”

    I suppose half a century of state welfarism where you simply give up your rights and your freedoms to the Nanny state in return for cradle to grave authoritarianism has meant that most people in Europe, even those who claim to be educated, can’t seem to cope with the fact that a good many of the people who don’t have health insurance aren’t actually that bothered.

    In the US people are free to make their own choices, I know it’s shocking, they don’t believe that the man from the ministry always knows what’s good for them. They don’t look at the government workers in the US Post Office, the Department of Motor Vehicle Registration, the Immigration Service or the TSA and feel that those are just the type of people they want to tell them how to organize their lives.

    Yanks are funny like that, they based their entire political system, indeed their nation on the idea of the individual citizen being free to make his or her own decisions without a king, emperor, tsar, fuhrer, duce, caudillo or indeed US President telling them what to do and how to organize their children’s healthcare. What weird, stump-toothed, gun-loving Hill-Billys they are, why can’t they be so sophisticated as the Europeans who don’t get out of bed without asking their government’s permission first?

    Many of those without health insurance are young people, students, entry-level job holders etc. who feel that they as adults, free thinking and able to make their own minds up, can prioritize their spending plans and if they choose to leave health insurance to a later time in their lives they feel that they are free to do so without the God damned government telling them otherwise.

    Why is freedom of the individual such an anathema to the left wing anti-America mob?

    Trust me socialism hasn’t been that great a success in Europe that Americans are queuing up to have a go.

  • Now here’s a funny thing —

    Get an outbreak of anything from headlice to bubonic plague, and even the most virulent opponent of “state welfarism” is demanding that Nanny step in.

    Ayn Rand, dying from lung-cancer and a freely-chosen addiction to nicotine, discovered her married name (O’Connor) and sought Social Security and Medicare. That’s Objectivism for you.

  • Harry Flashman

    Irrelevant as usual MR.

  • As in “irrelevant” = “inconvenient truths”.

    Let us, however, stick with the totally-relevant, particularly pertinent to this thread, case of Ayn Rand.

    She, let us recall, was the arch-priestess of individualism, to the present day the libertarians’ over-hyped Moses. Much appreciated. Often cited. Hardly read (her prose is more hard-hewn than finely-honed). Very popular among the poseur wing of the Tea-Party tendency. The junior Senator for Kentucky decries his nickname from her. His father, the Congressman for the Texas 14th, and serial candidate for the Presidency, engages in university tutorials on her work. The Washington Times diagnoses: Ayn Rand, like Typhoid Mary, is highly contagious, having infected key players in the Republican Party, leaving it weakened and often toxic.

    Note her definition: Freedom (n.): To ask nothing. To expect nothing. To depend on nothing.

    Her main character, the anti-collectivist John Galt declares: “I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”

    Yet the same Ayn Rand [“The man who lies to the world, is the world’s slave from then on. There are no white lies, there is only the blackest of destruction, and a white lie is the blackest of all”] chose to hide under a name she had never used, to take long-term and terminal medical care at the expense of the tax-payers of the State of New York. The beneficiary of that deceit was her designated heir, Leonard Peikoff, that he might perpetuate her doctrine of total selfishness.

    Harry Flashman, in particular, should heed another couple of her maxims.

    One is a bit lengthy for Harry Flashman‘s concentration span: Thinking is man’s only basic virtue, from which all the others proceed. And his basic vice, the source of all his evils, is that nameless act which all of you practise, but struggle never to admit: the act of blanking out, the willful suspension of one’s consciousness, the refusal to think — not blindness, but the refusal to see; not ignorance, but the refusal to know. It is the act of unfocusing your mind and inducing an inner fog to escape the responsibility of judgment.

    The second is pithy enough even for Harry: “If you don’t know, the thing to do is not to get scared, but to learn.”

  • Harry Flashman

    You can discuss Ayn Rand all you want, it is of no concern to me. Although as a matter of fact she believed that as the government forcibly extracted money from citizens it was their right to take it back.

    But frankly I don’t care, it’s your obsession not mine.

  • Harry Flashman @ 9:25 am:

    Allow me to assist. The Randism you may be reaching for is:

    The principle of voluntary government financing rests on the following premises: that the government is not the owner of the citizens’ income and, therefore, cannot hold a blank check on that income—that the nature of the proper governmental services must be constitutionally defined and delimited, leaving the government no power to enlarge the scope of its services at its own arbitrary discretion. Consequently, the principle of voluntary government financing regards the government as the servant, not the ruler, of the citizens—as an agent who must be paid for his services, not as a benefactor whose services are gratuitous, who dispenses something for nothing.

    [The Virtue of Selfishness, page 118]

    As I feel I have shown, Ms Rand went out of her way to see the State of New York dispensed her something for nothing.