Newt hears echoes of Lawrence in PSNI probe of sectarian attack; UUP mixed messages exposed

The vicious sectarian attack on James Turley in the Village area of Belfast was in the media spotlight throughout the week. However, in today’s Irish News, Newt Emerson raises a number of issues regarding the handling of the incident by the PSNI:

Why did the PSNI issue no statement on the attck of James Turley, the film extra left for dead in south Belfast’s Village area? An incident of this seriousness would normally appear on its news feed. Nor do there seem to have been any house-to-house inquiries, arrests for questioning or prompt investigations of the crime scene. The nature of the area and the large number of assailants, reportedly up to 15, may provide an explanation. The Stephen Lawrence murder inquiry showed that attacks of this type can see the police switch from crime solving to ‘public order’ mode. Does the PSNI have a ‘public order’ issue with tackling crime in the Village?

Whilst the DUP have remained somewhat muted in relation to this incident (so much for that outreach to potential catholic voters…), there has been strong condemnation from many other unionist representatives of the attack- including local UUP representative Bob Stoker and former loyalist MLA Dawn Purvis.

However, the attempts by one Ulster Unionist Party member and former election candidate, Neil McNickle, to blacken the character of the victim prompted one Damien Carlisle to produce this stinging attack video for Youtube, taking apart McNickle’s Twitter strategy (though individuals not used to hearing language alien to the clergy should steer clear!)

  • pauluk

    Mick: I hate threads like this. It privileges idiocy over informed comment.

    Is that Chris your are talking about? 😉

  • Mick Fealty

    No. The foolish ill informed nonsense about whose the bigger bigot. In amongst those there are some good posts. But you really have to dig to get it. Andnowhat echoes some my thoughts here.

    You will have picked up that we have a number of trolls (on both sides) who have been having arguments like this on various Internet venues for the las fifteen years.

    We ought to be able to dig further into this. But working out who’s the bigger bigot is just nonsense.

  • Decimus

    This footage is a carefully edited selection of my tweets made to misrepresent my views. I am taking legal action with regard to this matter.
    I condemned this attack as I do any violent act. However this did not suit Mr Carlisles agenda and he choose to Ingore that point.
    My query was actually regarding the way the incident was being reported as I was concerned it would whip up sectarian tensions.
    I deleted my twitter account because of the level of abuse I was receiving.

    Neil McNickle

    I missed this post above. It looks like we do indeed have a republican propaganda operation in full flow.

  • JR

    Mick,

    I don’t see how much deeper another random sectarian beating can be dug into.

    The depressing thing is the inevitability of the denial, the ease with which people can turn what they want to believe into the truth. Despite all our new innovations in communications. There is a 300 year old, much more powerful structure in place to re-enforce the lie untill for some the black crow that flew by was actually white.

  • andnowwhat

    Mick, I think that Damien represents the new generation. The horrible truth is that such an attack 20 years ago would have been just before the skateboarding dog on the news.

    We all remember the news of old when a shinner or unionist would dance on pins when talking about attacks that they found inconvenient. To this generation, such as Damien, it’s a staggering thing to see.

    My daughter (11) was watching a programme about the Lower Falls, narrated by Gerry Anderson, and she was like how I used to be watching programmes on WWII. If the hatred cannot be buried all we have is a ceasefire, not peace.

  • andnowwhat

    Hold on there Decimus.

    We have the testimony of James, 2 other extras and Susan Picken and you ignore all that for one post from Mc Nickle?

  • Hopping The Border

    If Mr. McNickle condemned the attack why did he delete his twitter account?

    If you are misrepresented through selection (presumably) surely you leave all tweets up for vindication?

    Or was he not willing to stand over his views once they gained publicity/notoriety?

    It has already been established he did not feel comfortable speaking about them on Nolan.

    Also to second iluvni’s query, where have the original (first 50) responses disappeared to?

  • Comrade Stalin

    The thing about this is that it probably wasn’t the paramilitaries, they probably had nothing to do with it. It’s sectarian, recreational violence being inflicted on a person in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    What I can’t understand, and have never been able to understand, is why unionists feel the need to equivocate. They rush to downplay the incident or go on the attack out of some sort of tribal imperative is generally not based on some sort of inside knowledge of the incident, as we appear to have seen. This has happened in this particular district for a very long time. Back when the flats at the very end of Sandy Row were built, UUP councillors joined the crowds protesting outside, baying for the blood of the Catholic residents. When, in the mid 1990s, a few nurses from the RoI made the mistake of renting houses on the Donegall Road, the MP for the area at the time issued a statement saying that the threats were “understandable” given the background of IRA attacks on people in the area. Of course, as with the Short Strand, nobody had heard of those attacks up until that point.

    This repeats what we saw earlier in the year when the attacks on the Short Strand occurred. The first reaction to an attack, any attack, should be to condemn it unequivocally. Instead it’s well, hang on, let’s see if there was some sort of reason for the gang beating a guy to death. And then, ah yes, we checked around, apparently the gang were “provoked” because X happened last week.

    The politicians and community leaders who fail to stand up to this violence are probably afraid of reprisals upon themselves if they call it what it is. The fact is, though, that the community is being let down by a leadership which fronts criminality and violence which ends up damaging the community itself more than anyone else.

    It’s all symptomatic of the fact that this society is still, in many ways, sick.

  • andnowwhat

    Great post Stalin.

    A few points: The attackers made specific reference to the kids coming from Short Strand and apparently said that they would not get back there alive. What did not emerge for a day or 2 was that some of the extras were from the are (I not in any way implicating them) but the attackers were clearly able to distinguish who the extras were.

    Again, I am perplexed by the non existence of any security given that this is apparently de rigeur for such things ie. filming shoots.

    Is anyone aware of any statements from the PSNI on the issue other than their initial statemnent on Monday night calling it a sectarian attack, something Paula Bradshaw had some difficulty with

    http://www.u.tv/utvplayer/video/141761/116129

  • AndNowWhat,
    You make agood point but to some extent there is a consensus on what constitutes a “Blue Nose” or a “Taig (if you forgive my use of those offensive words in context).
    I suspect that a Doctor or an Accountant who is either Catholic or Protestant could happily ply his trade in any community.
    Likewise the youth from Cultra or Groomsport.
    Not a likely victim of a sectarian gang from either side.

    There is an element of class in this……the area…..Short Strand, Ballymurphy,Ardoyne…….or The Village, Shankill, Lower N/ards Road.

    I think youre slightly unfair to Paula Bradshaw….as I think she actually meant well but was wearing two hats. A few days before the attack in her Blog, Ms Bradshaw commented with genuine concern at the numbers of attacks by young men on young men. And she was right to raise those concerns and I think her default position……and her performance on UTV News was trying to fit the attack into that context.
    She was of course wrong but meant well.

    She was perhaps wearing two hats…….as a community worker in the area……she had an inclination to side with the local community against the thugs. Her instinct was to see it that way, which had the effect of marginalising the actual victim in this case.
    Her other hat……aspiring Alliance politician………….she should have been more upfront.
    But she should perhaps have been alowed to expand on the points she began to make. Paul Clark pushed her a little off course which did not do her any favours.

  • BluesJazz

    To be an actual ‘sectarian’ attack, the perpetrators must have been active evangelical church going reformist ‘protestants’. And the victim an active member of the one Holy, Roman and Apostolic church.
    I trust this was the case. Otherwise it was just gang warfare. As per SW London. Or just ape/primate territorialism.
    I’m guessing the latter in not just this case, but almost all others. Worldwide phenomena. Twitter is for football bollocks.

  • Hopping The Border

    I would have to agree with FJH – trying to balance plain speaking moral outrage with retaining respect/authority/communication in and with the community from which the attackers emanated might be rather difficult, particularly so when that community will be beginning to feel the media is attacking them as a unit rather than the perpetrators and shift to a bomb shelter defence.

  • andnowwhat

    FJH, what Bradshaw said was practically her comments/defence when the Eastern Europeans had their doors kicked in a year or 2 ago ie. she would not call the attacks racist.

    For Ms Bradshaw, everything i to blame form jealousy (she actually said that on the radio to Wendy Austin’s astonishment. Funny how they weren’t jealous of the protestant extras) to deprivation to being angry boys, anything but actually using the word “sectarian”.

    I see on Mc Nickle’s new Twitter account that he has removed “UUP Member” from his description. I wonder id that was by demand

  • Alias

    What difference would it make if all of the Stormont political class issued statements denouncing the attack? Do folks actually think these street thugs are going to read their press releases and realise the error of their ways?

    It probably just as well that most of these thugs would see MLAs as a bunch of tossers since if they actually paid any heed to them they’d see that you’re rewarded for sectarinism in NI by nice state jobs even though you can barely read or write.

    The political class is using these sectarian attacks as a form of political sectarianism in which they beat the other tribe’s political class…

  • BluesJazz

    Alias
    It was an attack by people of the reformed faith (presumably Calvinists) against a person from the one true faith. At least in christian terms, all the people involved were Jesus worshippers. They just worshipped Jesus the wrong way. I assume that’s the mentality of all the various shades of this particular creation mythology.
    Maybe all these kids should be taught science? Reality?

  • andnowwhat

    Bluejazz

    Given that the attackers are of the post conflict generation, I think they’ve been taught enough.

  • BluesJazz

    andnowwhat

    Maybe not taught correctly..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g

    There was that awful csny song, Teach your children well,..

  • “andnowwhat”
    I was basing my comments on Paula Bradshaw on what I saw on UTV news. Her interview with Tony McCusker with Paul Clark.
    My point and “Hopping the Border” seems to agree is that in a five minute interview segment, Ms Bradshaw seemed to want to get some ponts accross.
    1…….that the Village community is essentially decent.
    2…….that violence is too common (her blog on young men attacking young men a week earlier shows her distaste) and that we should not focus on the “sectarian nature”
    3……that the Village itself suffers from bad behaviour from young people in their community
    4…..that the criminals be brought to justice.

    With the obvious exception of unwittingly minimalising the sectarian attack……theres not much wrong with any of the points she sought to make except the segment did not allow for anything more nuanced than outright condemnation of the attack itself. It wasnt the time for bringing up the Villages “problems”.
    It was therefore a flawed performance. But not a hanging offence.

  • Mick Fealty

    I found this You Tube video which only comments on an incident in which a young Protestant lad is taken to hospital after being knocked unconscious after the fourth attack in four days on his school bus.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTeLspZqx34&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    How is this any less egregious than what happened to young Mr Turley? Or any less sectarian? Such incidents were commonplace in my youth.

    But it seems to me there is a rather one eyed view of such happenings which fails entirely to give an honest account of the nature of the problem.

  • babyface finlayson

    BluesJazz
    These days most people, even the dictionary, allow for a number of meanings for the term ‘sectarian’. It is much broader than the religious parameters you are lamely trying to impose.
    As I am sure you know.

  • Common in your day Mr Fealty.
    Common in mine.
    And probably in most newsrooms would be treated as “dog bites man” unless of course a middle class youth is a victim.
    But in your day…..and mine…….the great and the good did not celebrate diverse, modern Belfast with Pride Parades, MTV Awards Shows, Titanic Celebrations and Open Top Bus Rides thru the ghettos.
    So in the “modern narrative” (if of course we are gullible enough to believe it) …….James Turleys case is one of Man Biting Dog………and therefore…newsworthy.

  • cynic2

    “But it seems to me there is a rather one eyed view of such happenings which fails entirely to give an honest account of the nature of the problem.”

    [Comment edited- Play ball not man.]

  • Chris Donnelly

    But it seems to me there is a rather one eyed view of such happenings which fails entirely to give an honest account of the nature of the problem.

    Mick
    There may be such perspectives out there, but it serves little purpose to ignore main news stories dealing with real incidents like this one because it doesn’t neatly fit with one’s political narrative.

    Newt highlights genuine concerns regarding the PSNI approach to this appalling incident, which clearly echoes recent sectarian killings in Ballymena and Coleraine.

    Furthermore, the posturing of one former UUP election candidate is clearly a relevant topic of conversation, as is the muted stance of the largest unionist party, not least because the leader of the latter party has been lauded for apparently seeking catholic votes.

    Therefore, it is entirely reasonable to conclude that objections to the topic of discussion – as opposed to the facile observations of individuals who’ve been also allowed to plague other threads with one-eyed observations- are more to do with discomfort at the fact that the political response of some unionist leaders to the incident does not sit well with a unionism allegedly seeking to move out of the ghetto.

  • cynic2

    “she would not call the attacks racist”

    They may well have been but we are back here again to what is / is not a hate crime

    If someone behaves in a grossly antisocial way and a dispute breaks out between them and their neighbours, are the neighbours automatically racist?

  • cynic2

    “why unionists feel the need to equivocate”

    Do they?

    Why do Republicans jump on bandwagons and scream and shout sectarianism every time? Answer – because there are votes in it.

    The Prods then react in defensive mode and hey presto – an immediate themus and usuns narrative

    Thats not to say the Unionists are stupid and defensive though – they are – and every time they get sucked into playing the game

  • cynic2

    ” it serves little purpose to ignore main news stories”

    That rather depends on whether incidents they have been whipped up into ‘main stories’ doesn’t it. That’s how the media works these days

  • cynic2

    Mick

    Did you edit my post at 0856 or did Chris?

    If it was Chris this was blatant censorship.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Cynic
    Read the rules and play by them.

  • cynic2

    “a unionism allegedly seeking to move out of the ghetto”

    Another blatant sectarian comment – especially when looked at in contextt of your own posts

  • Chris Donnelly

    Cynic
    How ironic that you find the ‘ghetto’ reference sectarian as it has been used extensively- by Mick and others on this site- to refer to the challenges facing Sinn Fein.

    Oh, and there is little sectarian in either Mick or my own observations in that regard.

  • cynic2

    Mick

    I want to protest. It appears Chris is editing / removing comments for his own personal reasons.

    In this case you raised the sectarian nature of many of the comment’s and threads here. I pointed out the nature of many of the threads started by Chris Donnelly. He immediately deleted the post.

  • cynic2

    I note that you have been forced to result to censorship rather than debate the issue of your own posts and their nature

    As I said before (in the comment you deleted) I actually support your right to say these things. I also believe that your doing so exposes the sectarian nature of the ideology and party you support

    Now why are you so upset that you don’t want Sluggerites to
    see that?

  • cynic2

    “How ironic that you find the ‘ghetto’ reference sectarian”

    ….it depends on the context and how it is used. I have used it myself of the DUP and UUP in the past (and SF).

    It can become sectarian when its simply used in a casual racist way to denigrate polices or individuals fro who they are not what they say or do

  • iluvni

    Talking of ‘censorship’, I note that page 1 comments continue to disappear from this thread, and whilst my comment, the first on the thread remains, the ‘approval’ ticks have mysteriously disappeared.

    Any idea Mr Donnelly?

  • Mick Fealty

    Cynic,

    Go read the rules.

  • Hold onto your braces, folks, 2016 et al are just around the corner and anniversaries are more or less guaranteed to heat the tribal blood. And don’t forget to make radical changes to the police – that’s the customary remedy for our constitutional ills. What we have at present is ‘Themuns – Keep Out’ on a relatively low burn.

    Meanwhile, at the other end of the social market place you might like to tune-in to LL-B this evening to see no-one being kicked senseless – or worse. It could be a Holywood block-buster and the extras are more likely to be GnTs than PnTs.

  • Chris Donnelly

    iluvni
    I have not the slightest idea what has happened to page 1 comments nor ticks, though I suspect Mick might have decided to remove comments which strayed from the actual topic.

    Cynic
    If you repeatedly abuse the man-playing rule then your comments will be removed, regardless of your political or religious orientation.

  • Mick Fealty

    I didn’t have time. The site needs a few upgrades, that may be the problem. Back to the subject?

    Dog bites man indeed. I would not go too large on the sectarian tag on the school bus thing either. Schools don’t like each other. The sectarian tag just adds a bit of juice to the fight.

    But in both cases this looks like dog bites man. Surely, it must be?

  • galloglaigh

    cynic2

    Count yourself lucky… Turgon removed a joke I wrote, and give me a red card. The joke was quite funny, but Turgon disagreed!

  • Mick Fealty

    And you were very lucky that it wasn’t a Black Spot!

  • Chris, could you not have edited that video? I must say I’m turned off more by foul-mouthed ranting than by a party politician making ill informed presumptions and allegations. I got the impression that the video-maker did a selective trawl of his ‘opponent”s background to ram home his tirade and that he may have overlooked the ‘class’ dimension.

    I’m a bit of an outsider to Belfast but what Health and Safety assessments were made before taking folks from the Short Strand into the Village area? Sometimes dog-wit is more valuable than intellectual or debating prowess.

  • SK

    “Why do Republicans jump on bandwagons and scream and shout sectarianism every time? Answer – because there are votes in it.

    The Prods then react in defensive mode and hey presto – an immediate themus and usuns narrative

    Thats not to say the Unionists are stupid and defensive though – they are – and every time they get sucked into playing the game”

    _

    Is that not something of a cop-out?

    It’s convenient to argue that unionists are constrained from condemning such incidents because of the supposed ‘propaganda value’ that republicans may derive from them, but is it honest?

    Will there ever come a time when unionists stop using the spectre of republicanism as a means of justifying each and every failing within their community?

  • galloglaigh

    Mick

    You said yourself it was unfair 🙂

  • galloglaigh

    Just on the black spot thing. Is it a total ban? And why do some people have comments removed without cards being issued, and some do?

  • Skinner

    SK

    “It’s convenient to argue that unionists are constrained from condemning such incidents because of the supposed ‘propaganda value’ that republicans may derive from them, but is it honest?

    Will there ever come a time when unionists stop using the spectre of republicanism as a means of justifying each and every failing within their community?”

    Why do you keep using the “unionist” label? I am a unionist but have very little in common with the people of the Village. You’re tarring over half a million people with the same brush as the posters of stupid comments on here and a councillor who judging by his electoral mandate is not very representative.

  • Mick Fealty

    Some mess up an otherwise sound post with unnecessary swing at the man. In the circumstances, it’s more a courtesy than a punishment.

  • cynic2

    “an otherwise sound post with unnecessary swing at the man”

    mick

    A genuine issue. You personally raised the issue of

    “The foolish ill informed nonsense about whose the bigger bigot. …………
    You will have picked up that we have a number of trolls (on both sides) who have been having arguments like this on various Internet venues for the las fifteen years.”

    In response I agreed and (to summarise) pointed out that sometimes the lead blog set the tone. In this I referred you to a number of posts made by Chris and suggested you sample those as evidence. The result is that Chris then deletes my message.

    I fully accept that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder. I do not agree at all with Chris and will defend his right to say what he likes. He can also call me whatever names he likes and abuse my character and motives (as he frequently does and, I must note, without any challenge or moderation).

    But what I said was not an playing. In the context of what you said I believe it was a reasonable response

  • cynic2

    And why do black spots pop up at random then vanish again?

  • cynic2

    “Is that not something of a cop-out?”

    SK

    Possibly. On balance the Unionists do elect more knuckle-draggers per capita than the rest and that may also be a factor

  • cynic2

    But in both cases this looks like dog bites man. Surely, it must be?

    Mick

    I agree. The question is though – why criticise PSNI for not playing a political game with it. What benefit will the wider concept of law and order or justice get from a hand wringing statement from PSNI each time? And why is it somehow automatically assumed that because they don’t its evidence of ineptitude or bias

  • andnowwhat

    Mick

    Re your post at 12:16 and another you and FJH made.

    Back in our day it was impossible to avoid the tensions and issues at hand. It was on the news, in the papers and on the gable walls. For many of us, it was a real physical experience and school was full of bullshit scuttlebutt.

    Like FJH, I’m not a fan of the cult of getting along but as we saw this summer, there is still BS doing the rounds. The precise event is not of import now (Don’t want the thread dragged off topic) but various vox pops and public meetings certainly gave the impression that the people from one deprived area seemed to think that themmuns from the nearby equally deprived area were much better off.

    Delusion, bullshit and propaganda were always dangerous in this berg and addressing them is IMHO one of the vital issues that need tackled

  • The “back in our day” comment about sectarianism being the juice that added to school disputes on the bus is a regrettable one.
    Sectarianism is also the juice that adds a bit of (a very bitter) juice to Scottish football disputes.
    And it is not benign.
    Some might well grow out of it.
    But it added juice to the attack on Mr Turley.
    We should not make light of it.

    Years ago, Sinn Féin spokesmen were rightly criticised for an inability or unwillingness to condemn or even speak about their actions.
    That mealy mouthed “I dont want to talk about the politics of the last attrocity” is alive and well.

  • andnowwhat

    FJH, I commented on that last night (I think it was) ie. the dancing on a pin.

    There’s probably a much better word to describe it but bollocks is what I would use to describe the rubbish that the shinners would come off with. On the other hand, I do remember many Fred Astair moments by unionists when catholics were killed. Mind you, we don’t have to exercise our memories to much to recall the latter attitude, summer but last will suffice as does the topic of this thread.

    Compare the media blitz to a republican politician doing a stupid, petty thing (sure people can work that out) and the reaction to the attack on the extras. I’m sure Mc Nickle did not complain about the media coverage of the former

  • andnowwhat

    Another video by Damien where he has arranged to meet Mc Nickle in Manchester

  • SK

    “Why do you keep using the “unionist” label? I am a unionist but have very little in common with the people of the Village. You’re tarring over half a million people with the same brush as the posters of stupid comments on here and a councillor who judging by his electoral mandate is not very representative.”

    _

    A kid had the shit kicked out of him in a sectarian attack, and the vast majority of comments emanating from members of the unionist community thus far have been less than empathetic to say the least. That is unsettling to me.

  • andnowwhat

    SK

    Thing to remember is that people who post on political websites, myself included, are not representative.

    Normal people watch the news then the One Show, not go on websites and voice an opinion.

  • SK

    Even taking that into account, the constant equivocation is still bloody disconcerting. There is a problem there.

  • Alias

    “Maybe all these kids should be taught science? Reality?”

    Or taught religion…

    I don’t think it requires a religious element to be sectarian. I’d see it as any social group that promotes its own interests at the direct expense of another group, to that other groups’ detriment.

  • Drumlins Rock

    “Another video by Damien where he has arranged to meet Mc Nickle in Manchester”

    Have resisted commenting so far, but this guy Carlisle is such a prat, showing the arrangements for to meet someone, going to great length to show he didnt show up, then revealing that it had been cancelled 4 hours previously, doh.

  • Decimus

    A kid had the shit kicked out of him in a sectarian attack, and the vast majority of comments emanating from members of the unionist community thus far have been less than empathetic to say the least. That is unsettling to me.

    SK,

    I think it is safe to say that your hatred of unionists was formed long, long ago. Largely on the back of ridiculous republican propaganda and of course the fact that they are preventing your dream of a united Ireland from coming true.

    You merely come here to reinforce your prejudices. To the extent in fact that you read what they say and then go ahead and invent your own interpretation of it. Thus on this thread unionists have not condemned this attack when in actual fact they have.

    Unsettling to you my arse.

  • Drumlins Rock

    SK,
    Read the title of the thread, it is our “resident SF Politician” who is trying to make this into a party political issue, the thread is about a few “tweets” not about the actual attack.

    I cannot understate how much I loath twitter and believe it should never form the basis of a story any more than pub chat.

  • galloglaigh

    and then go ahead and invent your own interpretation

    That sounds a bit like Decimus!

    The UUP are obviously a fractured party. When the leader stands at an election count and spouts hatred, then is it any wonder others will follow on the likes of Twitter and facebook. Maybe Ian McCrea would be better suited in the UUP?

  • Chris Donnelly

    Have resisted commenting so far, but this guy Carlisle is such a prat…..Read the title of the thread, it is our “resident SF Politician” who is trying to make this into a party political issue,

    Drumlin
    Resident SF Politician? Given that I haven’t been a member of that party for several years, I find that description somewhat strange.

    Incidentally, given your status, does that make you our “resident Tyrone-based UUP election worker?!?”

    Oh, and it is interesting that, out of all of this, you make Damian Carlisle out to be the ‘prat’…….

  • Drumlins Rock

    Sorry Chris was bit cheeky there, was using Damian’s wide definition of a politician, I readily accept everyone on Slugger speaks on their own behalf and no other, whatever their perspective.

    I can probably add McNickle is a prat also, for using twitter to dive into a complex issue in a half cocked manner, and making statments that are offensive unless backed up with hard evidence, however I don’t think idiotic twitter tripe deserves two utube videos and a Slugger thread, get a life guys, leave tweeting aruments to other twittering twits.

    As for Damians video’s the first was just a foul mouth ego rant, the second just bizarre, waiting for a cancelled meeting? whatever floats your boat.

    Finally on the original issue covered in depth, although the full story of events as reported does not fully convince me it is the whole truth, I cant see how it can be anything other than a disgusting sectarian attack on a young man which I condemn unresevedly.

  • iluvni

    I see Mr Carlisle has removed his youtube videos..both the farcical foul mouthed rant and the one where he turned up to confront McNickle outside a pub, even though he knew McNickle wouldnt be there.

    Wonder if the news of three wee lads being arrested over the original confrontation has anything to do with it

  • andnowwhat

    Actually, Damien told me on Twitter that he was stopping the campaign thus the withdrawal

  • “Resident SF Politician? Given that I haven’t been a member of that party for several years, I find that description somewhat strange.”

    SF apologist is the term I’ve used, Chris – a fairly staunch defender as well as praiser of politics SF and valiant attacker of their opponents. If you’d like to praise SF a little bit more here’s one of my blogs; if you’re an advocate of equality here’s one where you can really lay into SF 😉

  • Decimus

    It would appear that the ‘attempted murder’ has been downgraded to assault by three school boys.

    It seems that there was a slight spot of exaggeration after all.