Sean Gallagher: Death by tittle tattle?

It was exquisite timing. The coup de grace delivered with a twinkling eye of the practised political assassin. Martin McGuinness may at least have ensured his party’s relevance to the politics of the Republic, even if it cannot directly benefit from it. The prime beneficiary will likely be the political vet, Michael D Higgins, who responded presidentially by quoting the Constitution in its original Irish.

Mid show of RTE’s Front Line, McGuinness revealed that Sean Gallagher picked up a perfectly legitimate Fianna Fail party donation from a business man who now has recently had very direct contractual links with Mr McGuinness’s party, Sinn Fein. Nothing illegal, but confirming what we already know.

Today Mr Kenny questioned Mr Gallagher on all all manner of things relating to his personal and business life. It remains to be seen whether Gallagher joins the heaps of independent bodies that have fallen by the wayside.

#aras11 is clearly. O place for an ingenue (who has not had time or resources to bullet proof his past against a Media increasingly easily swung by the febrile mores of the Twitterati.

  • edgeoftheunion

    “He who wields the dagger never wears the crown”

    However if MMcG has once again demonstrated FF’s innate slipperiness SF may yet make the inroads to their core vote that this run was surely all about.

  • Neil

    More tittle tattle here.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/presidential-election/gallagher-charged-gaa-clubs-up-to-euro5000-for-grants-advice-2915300.html

    PRESIDENTIAL frontrunner Sean Gallagher charged GAA clubs in his home county of Louth as much as €5,000 to help out with applications for sports grants, the Irish Independent has learned.

    Mr Gallagher charged the fees for as little as 20 hours’ work in order to help the clubs get funding from state agencies, such as the National Lottery, when Fianna Fail led-governments had enough money to hand out the cash.

    Local sources last night told the Irish Independent: “He was inside with Fianna Fail and the ministers and (he had) the inside track, he had been (Dr Rory) O’Hanlon’s secretary. Once you got him to do it, you were going to get the grant.

    Yeah he seems like a decent stand up guy alright. And what is it with the magical 5 grand figure?

    One would have thought this would be damaging though. Pay 5k to get a FF rubber stamp on your application. All payments it a perfectly respsctable brown paper envelope please.

  • Ignoring your obvious spinning Mick which fails to mention Gallagher being caught out telling porkies, you have a factual inaccuracy.

    “who responded presidentially by quoting the Constitution in its original Irish.”

    The Constitution was written in English and translated to Irish.

  • Oh, you’re wrong on this one as well Mick

    “from a business man who now has contractual links with Mr McGuinness’s party, Sinn Fein”

    Sinn Fein, rented an office with him for a few months to use as a campaign office. It was handed by after the elected, so they don’t have “contractual links” with him anymore – at least none that you or I know about.

  • slappymcgroundout

    “It was exquisite timing. The coup de grace delivered with a twinkling eye of the practised political assassin.”

    That’s why, despite his past, he’s the best human for the job of the seven in the running.

    The hilarious portion of the entire scene was the Cable Guy’s (as I call him) attempt to avoid any blame by shoving the thing onto FF, as in, the check was made out to FF and taken to FF HQ. Why I said nothing in my last post on that other thread about fuel smuggler, criminal, what have you. Irrelevant. Check in envelope made out to FF delivered to FF HQ. Cable Gay aka FF bag man. That’s the important part, for the guy who tried do everything by way of his claim to have not been all that involved.

    Oh, and Alias, if you make it to this thread, those of us with a functioning cerebral cortex tend to think that he knew exactly who the one fellow was. Why do mafia dons have bag men? So they aren’t observed with persons of questionable repute? That too was Sean’s purpose.

  • Dec

    I like how he wasn’t exactly sure there was a cheque in the envelope but he was absolutely adamant that it was paid out to FF party offices and not him personally. Sean Lemass must be spinning in his grave.

  • Alias

    “Oh, and Alias, if you make it to this thread, those of us with a functioning cerebral cortex tend to think that he knew exactly who the one fellow was. Why do mafia dons have bag men? So they aren’t observed with persons of questionable repute? That too was Sean’s purpose.”

    Yes, but we do have a thing in Ireland called a stamp. It’s a wonderful device that cuts out the need for a ‘bag man’ entirely. But that’s for the theory…

  • wee buns

    McGuiness & Gallagher just came in joint 3rd at 18% in a Newstalk poll conducted this morning.
    Norris = 2nd at 20 something , and Michael D = 1st at 30 something.

    Gallagher sounds really, really annoyed this morning.

  • keano10

    Mick,

    I know you are normally fond of publishing polls, but for the benefit of others here is the Newstalk/ESRI poll which was taken immediately after Yesterdays debate:

    1. Michael D Higgins 38%
    2. Martin McGuinness 20%
    Sean Gallagher. 20%
    3. David Norris. 11%
    4. Gay Mitchell. 6%
    5. Mary Davis. 3%
    6. Dana. 2%

  • slappymcgroundout

    “Yes, but we do have a thing in Ireland called a stamp. It’s a wonderful device that cuts out the need for a ‘bag man’ entirely. But that’s for the theory…”

    Yes, stamps, wonderful things, you can collect them and they will appreciate in value. Doesn’t change the “brown envelope” meme one iota. Your man just admitted that he was part of the whole “brown envelope” phenomenon. Was, again, hilarious, since he first referenced the envelope, then realized what he had said, and skipped on over to check. Lastly, utterly lame attempt with the stamp meme, since they didn’t use a stamp, they used your bag man Sean.

  • Drumlins Rock

    Ok just catching up on this, is this the roughly the version of the story at present….

    A couple of years ago Sean Gallagher dropped of a FF related photo at a well know and controversial fuel import/exporters home, and was given an envelope containing a cheque for 5K made out to FF which he delivered to them.

    Am I missing something?

  • galloglaigh

    Any chance of a clip McGuinness was asked, whether or not someone from N.Ireland should stand for the Presidency? I can’t get the RTE Player to work??

  • “Am I missing something?”

    Yes he said he didn’t receive an envelope though he remembers the envelope was made out to Fianna Fáil, though of course he may not have received the envelope at all.

  • “Martin McGuinness may at least ensured his party’s relevance to the politics of the Republic”

    What relevance would that be, Mick? Martin is one of the top members of the PRM, an organisation with an organised crime wing. Parapoliticians are bad news for democracy across these islands, not just in Stormont or at local council level. Did Pat tackle that elephant in the room or did he focus mainly on the relatively small beer issue?

    I’d have thought that Sean’s handling of the questions from Pat as well as the new information about consultancy fees of up to €5,000 will be very damaging to his candidature. It has a strong whiff of sleaze associated with planning issues and has an echo with the £5,000 ‘fee’ here that will allegedly guarantee the success of a domestic dwelling planning application.

  • Alias

    Slappy, are you forgetting what was delivered? Twas a lovely picture of the Shinner fuel smuggler standing beside Biffo. Now admittedly Biffo wasn’t the brightest of folks, but would he have had his picture taken with him if he didn’t want to be seen with him?

    Of course, the Shinner fuel smuggler isn’t the brightest of folks either. If I was paying 5k for a photo, I’d at least want naked chicks in it.

  • andnowwhat

    Seany called the dark haired woman’s voractity in to question on RTE 1 this morning. Sadly for Seany, she came on the radio show and tore him a new one.

    I think her name is Glenda lynch

  • michael-mcivor

    Sean Gallagher- Death by a thousand brown envelopes-

  • Dec

    ‘A couple of years ago Sean Gallagher dropped of a FF related photo at a well know and controversial fuel import/exporters home, and was given an envelope containing a cheque for 5K made out to FF which he delivered to them.

    Am I missing something?’

    Yes, the businessman is claiming that was the price he had to pay for a meeting with the Taoiseach, presumably at the FF event several days later.

    The fact that Gallagher initially said he had no recollection but then claimed the man in question was a fuel smuggler with links to Gerry Adams, then conceded there may have been an envelope handed over only seems to have muddied the waters, no?

  • slappymcgroundout

    “Am I missing something?”

    Yes and no. Was not a fuel importer/exporter invite. Was developers invite. Sean was asked, as local businessman, to find those interested in attending. He apparently did just that. Then after the shindig was over, the photo and the 5K in the (brown) envelope. This from the guy who wasn’t big on FF, or so he claims. You can add, as I did on that other thread, that this particular shindig for the developers crowd was the night before the tax figures came in, the tax figures that showed that not all was well in dear ole Eire (so the larger context is that the FF that he served so well was either greedy or stupid, since their taking 5K in brown envelopes from developers the night before the tax figures are going to show economic collapse, brought on, not coincidentally, by those very same developers.

    Lastly, the genius was in more than the timing. The genius was in fuel smuggler and criminal. Since that gets Cable Guy to focus on avoiding fuel smugger and criminal (I didn’t know) and so he forgets that he also need protect himself from inner workings of FF (also forgot that he wanted to avoid use of “envelope” at all costs). Sorry, Alias, and some others, but they don’t have just any Johnny go over with the photo and to collect the 5K, nor does any Johnny get to recruit the invitees. Someone trusted and well connected in the party gets to do that. How the mafia don builds up the relationship, since we aren’t sending you some schmuck but our man Sean.

  • Looks like things just got worse for Seanie boy. It seems the Morgan cheque was cashed before the Plaza Hotel dinner and Gallagher seems to have been collecting a second cheque/brown envelope.

  • wee buns

    Yes & apparently some holes (wee or big?) are emerging in MMcG’s allegation against Gallagher too…

  • JR

    That brown haired women was brilliant Last night. Asking the questions that needed to be asked from sean. He is no more an indipendant than Martin McGuiness is. a cute hoor FF backed business man telling porkies to get elected. For me Michael D is the only credible candidate left in the race.

  • Alias

    “The fact that Gallagher initially said he had no recollection but then claimed the man in question was a fuel smuggler with links to Gerry Adams, then conceded there may have been an envelope handed over only seems to have muddied the waters, no?”

    Not muddied at all. All donations to be given were stipulated to be under the threshold that requires the party to declare it. Gallagher would have felt that he had a duty to respect the privacy of the person who gave him the donation (if that is what was in the envelope). When Pat Kenny made a false claim that the person had declared his intention to waive his privacy then the obligation to respect it would no longer have been there. At that point Gallagher would have been free to give his version of the event. If anything, despite what the Shinner hysterics, it shows that he has integrity.

    That’s a lot clearer than “I was never in PIRA” or “I left PIRA in the early 70s” or “Nope, we didn’t put that 25 million Northern Bank money into numbered Swiss accounts for our retirement” when we all know they’re lying through their teeth.

  • Dec

    ‘Gallagher would have felt that he had a duty to respect the privacy of the person who gave him the donation ‘

    Yeah, pull the other one. he said he’d no recollection of the event then when challenged (and after a bit of muck-slinging by himself), owned up about an envelope which may or may not have contained a cheque that was definitely not paid out to him. Since when does respecting a donor’s privacy entail making a total arse out of yourself?

  • Dec

    ‘making a total arse out of yourself’

    And that’s the charitable view.

  • Drumlins Rock

    It was the defining moment of the election; Sean G had previously been questioned about the £5K cheque but he survived if a little uncomfortably and then Pat Kenny came back at him after a commercial break, repeated the question but with the added info , seemingly from a SF outlet (but later found not to be the case), that SF were going to produce the man the next day. Sean G went for the pre-emptive strike revealing that he knew more about it than he had previously let on and revealing also that he was a bag man for FF.

    Curously enough i could have sworn at the time he said brown envelope but I checked the tape and he only says envelope, yet everybody for example on Vincent Browne later on was talking about brown envelopes.

  • slappymcgroundout

    Integrity? What color is the sky in your world? Your man Sean did everything but name the guy, since he’s the one who raised the matter of Big Gerry’s election office rental, and I believe that anyone can simply Google that particular story and find the name of the human responsible for the company that entered into the lease with Big Gerry & Co. So Cable Guy protected no one, not even himself. And you left out the part where not so long ago he said that he was against the whole Bertie & Co cronyism, etc. He was so against the same that he was found delivering the photo and taking the 5K check in the envelope. Sorry, mate, but there’s no way to spin your and his way out of this one, since delivering the photo and collecting the brown envelope hardly seem like the fitting protest of your party’s having lost its soul (which is what he more or less said not so long ago, his disgust, etc., at the goings on in/with the party leadership, but there he is with the photo then the envelope, some act of protest)(looks like an endorsement to me, but that’s just me).

  • Nordie Northsider

    Ulick’s correction of Mick is itself incorrect. He wrote: ‘The Constitution was written in English and translated to Irish.’ Not so, at least according to Micheál Ó Cearúil, author of a massive (764 page) analysis of the language of Bunreacht na hÉireann:

    The Irish text of the 1937 Constitution was prepared as the Constitution was being drafted, as against the usual translation process which commences with a definitive text. Speaking in the abovementioned Dáil debate of 14 June 1937, the President of the Executive Council, Éamon de Valera, said that providing an Irish version was no mere afterthought on his part; neither was it a direct translation
    of the English. The drafting in Irish was progressing along with the English step by step, almost from the beginning when the main ideas which were accepted were being put down in draft-form…

    In fact, it is claimed in the authorised Irish biography of
    Éamon de Valera by Pádraig Ó Fiannachta and Tomás Ó Néill that to a certain extent the final English draft derived from the Irish.’

    http://www.constitution.ie/publications/irish-text.pdf

  • Splitting hairs NN, it was drafted in English and then translated.

  • 241934 john brennan

    Isn’t it funny the way Sinn Fein spies and double agents keep crawling out of the most unlikely places?

    It had them in its own Belfast HQ, Connolly House, Royal Victoria Hospital (gathering personal details of legitimate targets from medical records), BT, Stormont government offices, Belfast’s Northern Bank .The Smithwick Tribunal is now costing a fortune in relation to possible SF spies in a Dundalk garda station etc. etc.

    Now it appears SF has spies and agents at FF fund raising functions!

  • Nordie Northsider

    No it wasn’t, Ulick, as the study clearly shows. The texts were to at least some extent written in tandem and informed each other. That’s not translation.

    But anyway, Sean Gallagher is in the difficult position now of having to attack SF after weeks of not commenting on any other candidate. Only now does he have a problem with McGuinness. Not only does it look like shooting the messenger but the more muck he heaps on ‘the Border businessman’ the worse he looks for tapping him up.

    Nor can he throw any Provvy connection at his female questioner from last night. Her questions about accounting probably struck a lot of people as procedural and dull but they’ve taken on a whole new significance now – and he hasn’t answered them.

  • NN my point was that Mick was trying to bestow Higgins with some academic or cultural gravitas by including the reference as though he was entitled to the Aras or something. At the very least Fealty is still incorrect as there was no “original Irish” version of the Constitution as even you admit.

    Also Gallagher had already attacked SF before last night – it was all over the Sindo at the weekend.

  • 14 June 1937:

    Cosgrave: “As a matter of fact the Irish text is a mere translation of the English. The Constitution was thought out and framed in English by the President. It was discussed in English by the Cabinet (if it was ever discussed by the Cabinet at all), and there are not two members of the Government capable of discussing it, or any part of it, in Irish.”

    de Valera: “I want to tell those who suggest that the Irish was only an afterthought, a mere translation of the English, that the Irish drafting has gone on pari passu almost from the beginning, when the fundamental ideas that were accepted for the Constitution were being put in draft form.”

  • keano10

    Looking at the multitude of threads on Politics.ie just now, Gallagher is coming under an onslaught from every political angle. The fact that a candidate “cannot remember” collecting an envelope containing a cheque for £5k made payable to Fianna Fail is being derided by just about every contributor.

    What is irking the masses even more is the fact that Fianna Fail are now furiously issuing statements to “assist” the candidate who, erm, isnt actually their candidate…

  • keano10

    Unbelievable!

    Gallagher has actually failed to turn up for The Northern Sound Debate and has refused to answer his phone. Is this a Lord Lucan style exit from The Presidential Race…?!!

  • This is the transcript

    Sean Gallagher: …You’ve described me also as a businessman, yes and I’m proud of that, and I’m proud that I created jobs. With regard to the fundraising, the fundraising event in particular, was set up by fianna fail headquarters, I was asking as a local businessman to inform those in the community that might wish to attend, I suggested and invited perhaps three or four…There were not thirty…There were not thirty people there Pat….

    Pat Kenny: Can I ask you for… for a clarification by the way…Sean have you been to Cairde Fail dinners, have you bought tables at cairde fail, dinners.

    Sean Gallagher: I was I believe at about two cairde fail dinners over the last twenty years.

    Martin McGuinness: Pat… Pat I actually spoke to a gentleman who attended that fundraiser in Dundalk in the Crown Plaza hotel, two hours before I came to this studio.

    Pat Kenny: When was that fundraiser?

    Martin McGuinness: It was two years ago.

    Sean Gallagher: It was 2008 I believe.

    Martin McGuinness: It was two years ago according to my information. This gentleman told me there was between 30 and 35 people in the room, he also told me that after the event, that Sean called around to his house, and took a cheque for 5 thousand euro.

    Sean Gallagher: Not True.

    Martin McGuinness: Sean didn’t even address in the course of (interrupted) his, in the course of his commentary,

    Sean Gallagher: I’m just finishing…

    Martin McGuinness: He says it’s not true, he’s begging… he’s beggin for someone to come forward, and say that it was true, and I would caution you Sean at this stage, that you’re on (sic) very murky waters, because one thing is for absolutely certain…

    Sean Gallagher: Perhaps you….

    MmcG: If I’m elected president of Ireland, I will stand against croneyism, I will stand against greed and self-(inaudible). (applause) and I will stand against, I will stand against the brown envelope culture that effectively destroyed our economy.

    Sean Gallagher: I have never been involved in that culture let me explain to you. Let me ask Martin, perhaps he might identify the name and background of the individual he’s referring to. I can tell you quite clearly, that I invited perhaps 2-3 people to that event, at the event, people were asked would they like a photograph as is normal at these functions. I personally delivered, if that’s the case then I don’t remember it, delivered a photograph…I can tell you…

    MmcG: But that confirms what the gentleman told me, he also said that when you arrived at his house you took away a cheque for 5,000 euro…

    Sean Gallagher: That is not correct…

    MmcG: That is not correct?

    Sean Gallagher: Absolutely not…

    MmcG: Alright then… I have to say I think you’re in deep deep trouble.

    Pat Kenny: I want to try and move on but I think we can clarify some of the….

    break

    Pat Kenny: A development which I want to put to Sean Gallagher, on the Martin McGuinness for President twitter account, Sinn Féin are saying they are going to produce the man who gave you the check for 5,000. Do you want to change what you said or are you still saying that it just simply didn’t happen. Are they up to dirty tricks or what?

    Sean Gallagher: Well you know I’ve always tried to stay above any negative campaigning, and I understand from a query during the week in one of the newspapers, and when my campaign team back, sent back the information, on the said character, I don’t want to cast any aspersions on him…

    Pat Kenny: You know who it is?

    Sean Gallagher: He is a convicted criminal, a fuel smuggler, investigated by the criminal assets bureau and rented the office out to Gerry Adams, Martin’s colleague, in the last general election. I don’t want to get involved in this. (Audience jeers).

    Pat Kenny: But there is a …. you can put to rest now. Did you get a cheque or not?

    Sean Gallagher: I have no recollection of getting a cheque from this guy. I can tell you, I can tell you… let me explain this very simply.

    MmcG: The man said you went to his house sean.

    Sean Gallagher: I explained that there were two or three people, I asked, invited, I don’t know the man very well that’s in question so…

    Pat kenny, Hang on a second, you’re saying that you went round to a fuel smuggler and all sort of things and invited him to a Fianna Fail do?

    Sean Gallagher: I’m telling you quite simple Pat I was asked…

    Pat Kenny: You labelled him one thing and yet you invited him, which is it? Or are you happy with both?

    Sean Gallagher: I’m not aware, or wasn’t aware at the time three years ago, I’m just making the point, that I was asked to pass the information on to local business communities which I did. I want to say one thing, this is not what the presidential election should be about (applause).

    Pat Kenny: Martin McGuinness, do you want to, briefly.

    MmcG: I think Sean should answer the question. The question is, did he go to a man’s house, the man who spoke to me on the telephone several hours ago, and collect a cheque for five thousand euro.

    Sean Gallagher: What Martin has said is that I drove to the man’s house to deliver a photograph of the event and that he have me a cheque. I may well have delivered the photograph, if he gave me an envelope, (audience reacts), the point is, if he gave me an envelope, if he gave me a cheque it was made out to Fianna Fail headquarters and it was delivered and that was that.

    MmcG: Well that’s a clear admission of what I said earlier.

  • Jimmy Sands

    The rules are very simple, talk in vague vacuous bromides without using the mystery elimination word. Unfortunately Sean, tonight’s mystery word was “envelope”. Goodnight and thanks for playing.

  • Soldier

    I’ve posted this on another thread, but it’s relevant here also.

    “Martin McGuinness presided over a a very public unfolding of Gallagher’s memory”

    No, Martin presided over a careful stitch-up, where a fake twitter account was used to announce a lie, with RTÉ primed to confront Gallagher with what they accepted, without interrogation, was a true account.

    Gallagher stumbled over his explanation because, as we now know, the charge that he went to collect a cheque after the event was simply a lie. Who, trying to remember something that didn’t happen but being told live on television that it did, wouldn’t stumble?

    RTÉ have serious questions to answer – is it really appropriate to allow the final debate of a presidential campaign be dominated by something as flaky as a political charge made in a fake twitter account?

    After the recent mess that Primetime made of an innocent man’s life, you’d think they’d learn.

  • keano10

    Lads,

    Michael D Higgins is currently 7/4 on Paddy Power to poll the most first preference votes. Some other bookies have just suspended betting. If you want to help with the xmas bills then 7/4 could prove to be a hell of a price come Thursday.

  • Mick Fealty

    Stitch up with the national broadcaster stepping inside and drawing opening closed.

    The fact that there is virtually nothing but a party political set up ought to have Mr Curran and others asking whether their digital strategy is fit for purpose.

  • Alias

    McGuinness has now admitted that Gallagher was telling the truth and that McGuinness was lying. Of Course, McGuinness doesn’t admit that he himself was lying but says the lie he told on RTE was a “misunderstanding” on his part.

    Here is the transcript containg McGuinness’ lie:

    Martin McGuinness: It was two years ago according to my information. This gentleman told me there was between 30 and 35 people in the room, he also told me that after the event, that Sean called around to his house, and took a cheque for 5 thousand euro.

    Sean Gallagher: Not True.

    Martin McGuinness: Sean didn’t even address in the course of (interrupted) his, in the course of his commentary,

    Sean Gallagher: I’m just finishing…

    Martin McGuinness: He says it’s not true, he’s begging… he’s beggin for someone to come forward, and say that it was true, and I would caution you Sean at this stage, that you’re on (sic) very murky waters, because one thing is for absolutely certain…

    Sean Gallagher: Perhaps you….

    MmcG: If I’m elected president of Ireland, I will stand against croneyism, I will stand against greed and self-(inaudible). (applause) and I will stand against, I will stand against the brown envelope culture that effectively destroyed our economy.

    Sean Gallagher: I have never been involved in that culture let me explain to you. Let me ask Martin, perhaps he might identify the name and background of the individual he’s referring to. I can tell you quite clearly, that I invited perhaps 2-3 people to that event, at the event, people were asked would they like a photograph as is normal at these functions. I personally delivered, if that’s the case then I don’t remember it, delivered a photograph…I can tell you…

    Here is where he admits that it was lying on national TV:

    “Last night, Mr McGuinness said on the Frontline programme that he was told by the businessman that Mr Gallagher had received the cheque when he delivered a photograph after the event.

    However, speaking in Drogheda earlier, Mr McGuinness said that was a misunderstanding on his part and the matter had been clarified overnight – although he refused to say who had clarified the issue.

    Mr McGuinness said he now believed that the cheque had been collected at the man’s house by Mr Gallagher four days before the event and actually cashed on the day of the event itself by Fianna Fáil.”

  • Alias

    And in case the Shinner hysteria merchants tend not to read anything that doesn’t show The Great Leader as less than honest, when Gallagher said “Not true” above in response to McGuinness’ lie, he was telling the truth and McGuinness was lying.

    But, of course, McGuinness wasn’t lying… he was simply having a “misunderstanding” with the facts.

  • John Ó Néill

    Alias – you might want to check out Hugh Morgan’s statement (I’ve posted it up here). It doesn’t agree with Gallagher’s account as it claims he made the original invitation, requested and collected the donation and made confirmation calls, plus provided access to the Taoiseach (which he says was the stated purpose of the donation).

    Sean Gallagher: I have never been involved in that culture…

  • Alias

    I have read it and noted some of the “misundertandings” in it, particularly this one:

    “On the 27th June Sean Gallagher visited my business premises at Killean, County Armagh. I wrote a cheque for €5,000.00 and gave it to him personally. I still have the stub of the cheque , This payment is declared in my Company accounts and was cleared through my bank on the 1st July 2008.”

    FF have already confirmed that they received the cheque from Morgan on the 26th of June – a day before Morgan claimed he gave it to Gallagher, so Morgan’s version of events is false.

  • keano10

    Just saw Gallagher interviewed live on RTE News and he was torn to bits. He was forced to admit that he had acted on Fianna Fail’s behalf and had directly asked people to contribute up to £5,000. He is denying the cheque was handed to him but just came across like he was lying through his teeth.

    It’s goodnight Vienna I’m afraid…

  • Nunoftheabove

    Gallagher drifting to 13/8, Higgins into 4/9.

  • Into the west

    Mick,
    the story is drip-feeding too fast for any “digital strategy”
    its a blinder by SF, as there are a number of strands to the story
    gallagher is pressing rte to clear his name
    perhaps thats a mistake , the horse has bolted.

    I predict Higgins will win, then there will be time for analysis,
    with the accusation that RTE is partly to blame for SG loss.

  • While RTE might be held to blame for this….the other narrative…….which the Dublin liberals wont like is that it was Sinn Fein “wot won it” for Higgins. Enough to make them choke on their muesli and latte mocha cappuchino coffee.

  • keano10

    I think there was a presumption (mistakenly) that Sinn Fein were going to lie on the ropes while the right wing media battered them into submission. If there is one thing SF are, then it is battle- hardened. In every possible sense. They have been involved in some of the most controversial and bruising electoral contests that this island has witnessed. Particularly in The North.

    I stuck my neck out last weekend and said that there was much more still to come in this election and I was right. McGuinness has finished the campaign looking strong, self assured and confident. And, lets be honest – how many of the other candidates can we say that about?

  • Jimmy Sands

    I never warmed to Gallagher. He seems a lightweight, more gombeen than genuine entrepreneur. The “look at me I have a laptop I bet MDH uses a quill” ads were vacuous and patronising. Still, what is the scandal here? He was fundraising. So far as I know all of it entirely legal and above board. In order to put distance between him and his former party he lied about it when confronted and did it quite badly. A moment’s perspective and we remind ourselves that his accuser, balancing precariously on the moral high ground, is a mass murderer. For an electorate which was happy to be led by Charlie Haughey I’m struggling with the idea that this is a dealbreaker for a candidate who the polls tell us was walking away with it just 24 hours ago.

  • Into the west

    jimmy you’ve completely missed the point
    MMg has withstood those charges all during the campaign and no-one in the media objected , in fact it was relished even on slugger with the multi-multi threads on MMG.
    Now the tabled have turned, and alot of pople don’t like it up em.
    well tough shit buddies, what’s good for the goose etc.

    We’ve yet to see how this pans out
    however it seems via the blogs and bookies
    that they can forgive a man with a past, now a peace-maker;
    but they can’t stomach the more immediate bag-man cronyism that has led to Irelands economic demise.

  • Alias

    “McGuinness has finished the campaign looking strong, self assured and confident.” – Keano10

    You forgot to add “dashingly handsome”. I confess that I’m biased, but he reminded me of a cornered rat. He was also caught lying on national TV but tried to pass his lying off as a “misunderstanding.” Did he look like a person fit to hold the office while giving his best Perry Mason impression? Nope, he looked like he was in a kangaroo court signing another one of the 50 or so death warrants that he signed for the British agent under his command, Freddie Scappatticci.

    Gallagher made a very clean campaign, refusing to get involved in the negative attacks and character assassination that the Shinners specialise in, so where did the vicious malice come from on Marty’s part?

    Gallagher reckons it was because he said that anyone with information about the murder of Garda McCabe should go to the Gardai, but I suspect it was because Gallagher socked up all the floating votes that the Shinners were after leaving them high and dry with nothing but their sycophants to try to pass off their dismal defeat as yet another great victory The Unstoppable Ones.

    Gallagher’s lack of political experience was a drawback in a campaign where any link to FF would require skill to manage it. I also think that there are issues related to company law that haven’t been properly addressed in the campaign (mainly because the media is ignorant of them) but which be more effective grounds to give rise to doubts about Gallagher’s own fitness for the office.

    Really, it’s a national disgrace that any of these seven drawfs got a nomination but you have to play the cards before you…

  • Jimmy Sands

    ITW,

    I’m not suggesting he’s not fair game, I’m just wondering why lying about being in FF is considered a bigger deal than lying about being in the IRA. And I’m not convinced yet he’s out.

  • HeinzGuderian

    ‘ and lets be honest’………ayee keano,maybe Biffo should take your advice ? 😉

  • Into the west

    Jimmy
    I’d say because MMG has admitted he was in the IRA
    whereas SG hid the fact that he was a FF bag-man.

  • Jimmy Sands

    They both claim less involvement,and less recent involvement, than they had.

  • keano10

    Yeah right Heinz,

    Biffo eh? The ex Taoiseach. And his connection with any of this is ?

    Buy The Irish Times Heinz and you might become a little better versed. Glad that you have taken such an interest in the election of a President of a ‘foreign country’ though… 🙂

  • Jimmy Sands

    And his connection with any of this is ?

    SG got someone to pay 5 grand for a photo of him. Now that’s what I call a salesman.

  • keano10

    The five grand was for a lot , lot more than a photo of Biffo, Jimmy…

  • Into the west

    well jimmy we’re at the dovetail joint the of those two positions.

    Right now, 2011, post EU/IMF bailout
    Being a FF bag-man is worse than being in the IRA.

    I didn’t need convincing of that, perhaps you do ?

  • wee buns

    Jimmy
    ”I’m just wondering why lying about being in FF is considered a bigger deal than lying about being in the IRA.”

    FF envelope cronyism is closer to home – has power to conjure collective disgust on an perceptual/energetic level – like when the sea is rough it only takes one person to vomit, then the on-looking majority will likewise succumb.

    If Gallagher had laid out a more honest stall about being a dedicated member of FF from the beginning, instead of claiming to be ‘sporadic’ in his involvement, people might have respected him more when the punches were finally pulled.

    Pure pantomime & an extremely effective decoy from debate on very important referenda.

  • Nunoftheabove

    Jimmy Sands,

    So it all ties in then; a convicted criminal in the petrochemical business bungs a snakeoil salesman five large for a photo with one of the most authentically reptilian beasts in Ireland.

    More’s the pity all three of them aren’t as skint as the country is (like, coincidence y’think ?) in which case we could not unreasonably say that they hadn’t a pit to hiss in between them.

    Your witness.

  • wee buns

    Loathsome critters who all tell a lack of pies.

  • Publican

    Don’t underestimate the “eff you, McGuinness” factor. Gallagher ran a clean campaign, and did no more than McGuinness himself in asking people with any information to contact the Gardai. No, what did for him was any prospect of a FF revival, which, as ‘the main party of opposition’, SF will not tolerate. The only thing against this clever manouvre is southern disgust at a northerner of his ilk telling them how to do business. Might have sunk any significant chance of FF voters giving even transfers to McGuinness. Thursday will tell.

  • Political_Animal2011

    I was originally voting McGuinness because of EU issues with a new Treaty on the way but I am so disgusted by his cynical smear against Gallagher and the fact that he changed his story the next day when the FF records disproved what he was saying on the dates that I am now voting Gallagher. There has never been an Irish election where brown envelopes determined the winner anyway. Look at 2007. There is a herd-mentality in the Dublin 4 media that is often at variance with provincial and rural opinion. Lisbon I, Nice I, the Citizenship Referendum, the fate of the PDs in 2002 and the 2007 General Election demonstrate this.

    If any of us were plunged into a hostile crowd stacked against us from the start and asked to remember if such a person handed us a cheque in 2008 I think we would have trouble remembering. As a former FF member and fundraiser such as every political party has and requires in order to function and fund election campaigns, this is reasonable. I think his wobbly performance in the debate reflected thirdly things: firstly memory issues that were genuine. Secondly, the fact that the presenter, the audience and all the other candidates were ganging up on in. Thirdly, the manifest unfairness of only posing hostile questions to him, while even McGuinness was not questioned on his IRA past, Jean McConville etc. He has not said her killing was murder.

    Another issue for me is the dubious credibility of the person making the allegations. Hugh Morgan, according to the Daily Mail on February, has convictions for fuel smuggling and tax evasion. He has admitted he has convictions in his statement this week. It has also emerged that Gerry Adams’ Southern General Election HQ was rented from him. In that context, it comes down to a “he said, he said” situation, with the important difference that the accuser has a criminal conviction and Gallagher does not.

    Comparisons with Haughey are not only overdone but patently false. Haughey’s brown envelopes went into personal bank accounts, often in offshore Bank accounts like Ansbacher. The donations in SG’s case went to FF and were not pocketed by Gallagher. Furthermore there is no proof Gallagher ever came in contact with this cheque, because FF HQ have confirmed the cheque cleared before the FF event with the donors took place. The cheque had cleared by July 1st, whereas the meeting was on June 30th. McGuinness’s story doesn’t add up.

    Just like his claim to have not been in the IRA after 1974!