Sinn Fein release Martin McGuinness bank statement

The BBC are reporting that Sinn Fein have released a bank statement purporting to be Martin McGuinness’s. The statement over 6 months details his receipt from Sinn Fein of £1515 in May which rose in June to £1569 and then in August to £1605. It also details assorted withdrawals made by Mr. McGuiness: he mainly seems to shop at ASDA but has also been to TK Maxx, B&Q and Tescos. It is of course unclear how many accounts Mr. McGuinness has or indeed if he is in receipt of any other monies.

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  • Neil

    Just to reiterate for the hard of thinking, the fact that is in dispute (apparantly, for no reason really other than Marty being a shinner) is whether the party pays an average industrial wage – not Comrade that is not the same as the average wage for all sectors which is around 16k or 17k p.a. rather the average industrial wage, generally higher.

    He has provided proof that he gets from the party the sum he stated. This does not mean that he cannot earn money from other sources, nor does it mean that his wife is not allowed to earn.

    It was interesting reading at the top of the thread that people didn’t want to get too personal – then we have several posts demanding access to his wife’s financial records. The laughable self importance of some to suggest that they have any right to access any financial records is deluded, the only financial records you have a right to are those placed in the public domain.

    So he can have electricity, gas, a car (provided for him in most cases to date by the taxpayer), and we know he can generally conduct himself for free in his job as likely all meals etc. are provided for.

    Another interesting point is from Nevin, that the mafia style criminal geniuses of the still in existence IRA would create secondary and tertiary accounts to transfer money from a to b without being caught out. However we all know that if these criminal masterminds wanted to slip Marty a few grand to help him along they would be unlikely to use Western Union. If the Sopranos taught me anything it’s that it would be likely a non descript brown envelope. I’m not for a second saying I believe this, rather that if you do believe that scenario then you likely realise you would never in a million years prove Marty wrong.

    There would be no trace of any money and you’d realise by further examining that as a scenario you were only likely to help McG as there would be no trace other than the aforementioned average industrial wage going into his bank account (provided), This is basically an outworking of the usually-in-force but doesn’t-apply-to-shinners belief that people are innocent til proven guilty. Clearly it’s the other way round here as this whole discussion is borne not from any proof that Marty has done wrong but rather what party he’s in being evidence of guilt.

    One way or the other there is proof that he gets paid that industrial wage, and if you believe your own propoganda there won’t be any proof of any other monies as you reckon this unconvicted politician is a master criminal.

  • Reader

    Neil: One way or the other there is proof that he gets paid that industrial wage, and if you believe your own propoganda there won’t be any proof of any other monies as you reckon this unconvicted politician is a master criminal.
    Actually, the usual way this is pursued in criminal cases is to show that a person is living beyond his declared means. For instance, that might be a fancy car, rent, rates, mortgage or utility payments that don’t come out of declared income.
    Now, clearly, Marty is immune to the attentions of the Assets Recovery Agency, if it still exists. Apart from any other immunities he might have, the ARA didn’t police the average industrial wage

  • between the bridges

    neil…’there won’t be any proof of any other monies as you reckon this unconvicted politician is a master criminal’….

    was he not convicted for terrorism related offences in the Republic?

  • sonofstrongbow

    Poor wee Marty being picked on by the Big Boys. Now we know his gang doesn’t like to play Big Boys’ Rules but no worries plenty of Shinner sheep on call to baa their displeasure.

    Sinn Fein attempted to use the AIW nonsense as its stake to win the moral high ground and when it is questioned the ‘past’ hissy fit response is forthcoming.

    McGuinness is not ‘paid’ the mythical AIW. He will receive his full salary, as will all Sinn Fein MLAs, from the financial administration department at Stormont.

    One can assume this is by way of a bank transfer to a bank account as is the case with most government employees. Has that bank statement come to light? That is a statement showing his salary transfer in, then out to Sinn Fein plc and the return of the ‘AIW’ monies.

    There is of course the argument as to what is the point of trying to unravel this financial cat’s cradle? Whatever the truth of the internal machinations of Sinn Fein banksters (thanks Greenflag) full salaries are paid out to, either, pay MLAs, or pay MLAs and fund Sinn Fein patronage.

    If it’s the latter does that make Shinner apparatchiks civil servants by default?

  • Mick Fealty

    Neil,

    Fair play to you mate. But as been pointed out from the beginning, the fact that it proves nothing is not a problem for the critics. It rightfully belongs to whatever fool thought that this would pass muster as proof of anything.

  • JH

    “All money gets spent. The party could rent the waterfront, or Martin could buy a swimming pool. Either way, somebody gets a job. That’s not the point.”

    Well technically *this* isn’t the point either. The point is that whether the money goes into MMcG’s account first then back to the party, into three other accounts to hold in in trust or put in a cannon and fired over the Foyle… all that really matters is that MMcG lives on the average industrial wage in a house in the Bogside with the kind of people he represents in Government and therefore is telling the truth.

    Your statement, I feel, isn’t true. Highly paid individuals tend to put their wealth into funds that invest in offshore assets; such as equities, distressed debt, options etc, or lock it into high value, long-term fixed assets, such as property. Very little of this trickles down into the economy compared to the same amount spread amongst several people, or worse – it ends up overseas in other economies.

  • fordprefect

    JH, so he’s telling the truth, do you also believe that he left the IRA in 1974?

  • fordprefect

    What about their holiday homes in Donegal, Spain, Portugal etc.? Who paid for them, the tooth fairy?

  • JH

    “JH, so he’s telling the truth, do you also believe that he left the IRA in 1974?”

    Irrelevant

  • Neil

    JH, so he’s telling the truth, do you also believe that he left the IRA in 1974?

    Yet more pissing in the wind. Innocent til proven guilty – anyone ever heard of that?

    What about their holiday homes in Donegal, Spain, Portugal etc.?

    Likewise: how many holiday homes does he have and in which countries? Or are you just spitting out holiday destinations that he may or may not have a home in? Can his wife earn money? His family? His parents? Of course. Further proof of nothing there.

    So we have three guilty til proven innocent statements there: Martin’s IRA membership post ’74, his average wage and his multiple holiday homes. Any other unsubstantiated mud we can sling here?

    Of course I could do the same with a number of Unionist politicians and start slandering them about things I think they may be guilty of (Paisley springs to mind) but then that’s just not cricket to suggest Unionist politicians committed unproven crimes. It’s only ok when it’s directed at a shinner.

    There’s no double standard there at all. Now lets reiterate how much of a great guy Gusty Spence is (I know it’s not fair to bring up someone who’s been convicted of murder), how much of a great peacemaker he was. Nothing like as bad as Marty at all. Well he did create an organisation responsible for hundreds of murders unlike Martin who was merely a member, and he did eventually come around to peace, sometime after Marty, but then his organisation is still murdering people now. Yeah he’s a great guy. McG is just a scumbag. Loyalist = good, Republican = bad, ok got it.

  • sonofstrongbow

    Will there ever be an end to the tiresome MOPERY?

    Many people believe that McGuinness is a “scumbag”, me included. Many people believe that Gusty Spence was a “scumbag”, me included.

    Many people rejoice that Spence only ever represented his own tiny clique of thugs and are dismayed that McGuinness and his ilk secured large numbers of votes to represent people. There is “good” and “bad” there definitely.

    Back to the topic: McGuinness trades on the AIW angle. When questioned on it (and yes I get it that Irish Republicans don’t like being questioned) he produces a bank statement – ta da! This statement supposedly puts the issue to bed but it has as much weight as would have the production of a single supermarket till receipt as proof of a family’s food bill.

    Perhaps his minders should have thought things through a little more. If the AIW was going to be bigged-up it should have been expected that it might raise some questions and therefore a credible response strategy should have been in place.

    Waving that bank statement about (financial peace in our time) insults the intelligence of the Southern electorate. There again if they can stomach his candidature who knows what they may be happy to swallow?

  • Jimmy Sands

    “Yet more pissing in the wind. Innocent til proven guilty – anyone ever heard of that? ”

    In the context of criminal proceedings yes, as a prerequisite for expressing an opinion on the internet, no. When did that rule come in?

  • Reader

    Neil: Of course I could do the same with a number of Unionist politicians and start slandering them about things I think they may be guilty of…
    If you’re going to play whataboutery with fordprefect there’s no point in fingering unionists. He’s coming at SF (part time) from a completely different angle.

  • PaulT

    So, its not a simple answer like as he also works from home the party pay his utitily bills (claiming back what they can) and that like most middle mgrs and above he has a ‘company expense card’

    Frankly amazed that PSNI/Garda/MI5/MI6 haven’t got involved, surely considering the amount of Garda intelligence coming into the public medium they will also have details of his financial accounts

    Prob easier if MMcG just sez to them to release the info along with all the other stuff they’re pinging out there these days

    Its also a good example of why any truth commission or fess’ing up will fail, people will only be happy when they get the answer they want.

    Meanwhile flicking through P.ie any republican couldn’t help but be happy with how things are going.

    Any chance of a thread on the IRA death threat to Norris?