“Are you prepared to ask Enda Kenny every time you want to go home to Derry?”

Newton Emerson riffing off Articles 12-14 of the Irish Constitution (and other matters):

3. The president is forbidden from leaving the State without the Government’s permission. Are you prepared to ask Enda Kenny every time you want to go home to Derry? What will you do if he says no? Will you just disappear over the Border?

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  • Neil

    Would you require a Sinn Féin pilot?

    I heard anecdotally that some years back one local firebrand preacher and rabble rouser told a crowd of Loyalists that during the second world war the Luftwaffe had recruited IRA pilots to help bomb Belfast during the Blitz. So you never know…

  • 1. Would you attend a remembrance day service, as the President does every year when she attends St. Patrick’s Cathedral?

    2. Would you shake hands with the Queen, the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Cambridge or any other Royal connected with UK armed forces who visited Ireland?

    3. Would you give titbits of information to Gerry Adams following your confidential conversations with Enda Kenny?

  • sonofstrongbow

    Oh Newton you are a wicked boy!

    He does make me wonder about the Sinn Fein command structure. If Marty becomes El Presidente of the Spud Republic would he be on par with Gerry as Shinner President? Would Gerry still outrank him?

    If they fell out could Gerry start the impeachment process in the Dail or is there an internal Shinner sanction process (sans one-way tickets to border roads obviously)?

    I might pitch these musings to Ken Loach. I can see ‘All the President Men’ being a hit on the silver screen.

  • Mick Fealty

    I heard the counter story to that one Neil…

    ie, that the good burghers of the Falls refused to comply with ARP because they felt sure the Pope’s Concordat with Mussolini meant Hitler’s bombs would only fall on the ‘other side’ of Belfast…

    It was also recorded by some wag that the first night after the German bombs actually dropped, the Falls Park was hiving with people who would tolerate even a lit cigarette…

    We have them all…

  • JR

    Mary McAlese used to visit Rostrevor regularly in the early days of her Presidency, with no Pomp or ceramony. I saw her at mass a good few times.You always knew Mary was at mass because if you arrived late there was a D-reg merc parked at the gate with the engine running.

    She is there much less now but you do see her from time to time.

  • Turgon

    JR,
    In view of the price of petrol and diesel, I hope now when you see that Mercedes parked its engine is not running.

  • Henry94

    I mentioned that very point here yesterday. It’s what every potential President signs up for.

    sonofstrongbow

    He does make me wonder about the Sinn Fein command structure. If Marty becomes El Presidente of the Spud Republic would he be on par with Gerry as Shinner President? Would Gerry still outrank him?

    The President would not be a member of Sinn Fein therefore not part of its structure. The President obviously outranks every citizen of the state.

  • JR

    Turgon,
    I havn’t seen the Merc in years, I married and moved away, Plus I am in a bit of a huff with the Church at the moment.

  • Mick Fealty

    It comes to us all JR and it may even pass…

    All,

    Just a thought from another conversation, but this could be one of those moments it if were played badly by either party, you could find the Presidency politicised…

  • Greenflag

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14999249

    Now here’s somebody who is’nt fussed in the least by the McGuinness candidacy .

    Speaking to the Good Morning Ulster programme, Mr McDonald of the UDA said that, while he understood well the concerns of victims, such demands were misguided and it would be impractical for Mr McGuinness to “tell the truth” in isolation.

    He added: “If they are talking about telling the truth, will the British government tell the truth? Will everybody tell the truth?

    “He’s isolated himself by nominating himself for president but in the overall picture, if we talk about truth, we have to talk about everybody telling the truth, not bits and pieces of the truth.

    “I am not so much interested in what he did – there will be people more concerned about his past or his present or his future, but I would rather Martin McGuinness be doing what he is doing now.”

    As for the ‘protocol ‘ raised by the impish Newt surely there will be some allowance made for time off visiting family and friends . The fact that they live on the other side of a border should’nt matter -just as long they are on private business and not public

    All of the above conjecture assumes he’s already elected which of course is not yet decided . Senator Norris has advanced a little in his efforts to secure a nomination and at this stage there must be people out there in the Senate and Dail and elsewhere who regardless of how they might vote in the election itself should ensure that the Senator is nominated . At least then when it’s all over it won’t be case of if only Senator Norris had been allowed to stand then candidate x , y, or z, would’nt have won .

    As it now stands this looks like being the most contested presidential election in the history of the Republic which is somewhat ironic and somehow symbolic of the state of the nation in these times – The position has little power much like the government it will report to .

    There is of course absolutely no chance of either McGuinness , or McDonald or even Newt making it onto the board of the IMF or the ECB or Goldman Sucks ;)?

  • “Are you prepared to ask Enda Kenny every time you want to go home to Derry? What will you do if he says no? Will you just disappear over the Border”

    This is very similar to something I posted here quite recently except I used the phrase ‘on the run’ 🙂

  • sonofstrongbow

    Turgon,

    There’s nothing to worry about. The ‘average industrial wage earner’ would not be getting into a Merc, surely?

    Henry94,

    Interesting. So how will this salary thing work? With the Republic on its uppers would Marty really give the bulk of his pay to the well-filled Shinner coffers rather than a more deserving charity?

    Then again he might open an ‘Irish President’s Advice Centre’ in the Bogside.

    And all that space in the Viceregal Lodge; Dublin’s homeless will no doubt be invited to stay. Their Day Will Have Come!

  • Henry94

    sonofstrongbow

    Interesting. So how will this salary thing work? With the Republic on its uppers would Marty really give the bulk of his pay to the well-filled Shinner coffers rather than a more deserving charity?

    He was asked about that in an interview I heard and he said the arrangement would be with the Dept. of Finance who would keep the money in the state coffers. There would be no question of a donation to Sinn Fein.

  • Turgon

    sonofstrongbow,
    I do not know, how about this one: its a big Mercedes and only £1,900. Would the average industrial wage extend to that?

    Good to see you back by the way

  • If elected, presumably MMG will have to resign from SF. Yet he will still be bound by SF’s rule/dictat about salaries. Anything else?

  • Mark McGregor

    I doubt McGuinness will be elected and if he was I really doubt any Taoiseach would seek to prevent him travelling north by claiming it isn’t part of the ‘State’. So this really is a straw-man argument.

    However, it would make for really anal high court debate if it did come about. All that constitutional ambiguity to be addressed.

    Does ‘the Constitution before’ mean the one prior to amendment or that of the Free State? Would they finally settle on legal definitions for State, Nation, territory and jurisdiction not clear in the Constitution? Would the north become a state not a jurisdiction within the island? How would that affect the nationality of members of the nation born there?

    Would be a great debate to have – pity the likes of Newt and those that will pick up his flippant angle aren’t interested in the real meat.

    I’d be arguing as the north is one of two jursidictions on the island as per the constitution, it must be part of the one state. The extent of parliamentry remit is defined but on a juristictional basis not national or state level….

    An idiotic fantasy snipe at McGuinness is so much more important….

  • Henry94

    joe

    If elected, presumably MMG will have to resign from SF. Yet he will still be bound by SF’s rule/dictat about salaries. Anything else?

    Yes, he will have to resign from SF. No, he is not bound by their policy on salaries. He now has his own policy which differs considerably from Sinn Fein’s in that he will be giving the bulk of his salary to the state and not to Sinn Fein.