Ballyclare Riot Arrest & Charge Watch: Day 26

26 days on and it would appear that some progress is being made by the PSNI. The BBC are reporting that four individuals have been arrested in relation to rioting in Ballyclare in July, including one “on suspicion of attempted murder.”

Update: Three men have been charged in relation to rioting in Ballyclare, with another two released on bail “to be questioned at a later date ” (quote from BBC story.)

  • AntrimObserver

    This should be interesting.

    Bet they all get bail.

  • Chris Donnelly

    AntrimObserver

    Time will tell, but the nature of the details provided with the arrests indicates to me that bail would be unlikely for at least the individual arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.

  • AntrimObserver

    Well, bail has been denied to several nationalists on rioting charges alone recently. So, we’ll see how these Ballyclare suspects get treated.

  • Reader

    Chris Donnelly: Time will tell, but the nature of the details provided with the arrests indicates to me that bail would be unlikely for at least the individual arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.
    That’s the point of the bail/no-bail decision. And I doubt there’s any real risk of the other three skipping across the border to avoid charges.
    Has anyone commented yet on whether the searches and arrests were carried out in a sensitive manner?

  • ranger1640

    Good I hope the full rigor of the law will be brought to force.

  • AntrimObserver

    Several of the people charged in relation to the Ardoyne riots handed themselves in, or were brought in by their parents.

    I’m puzzled why the good ‘loyal’ and law-abiding folk of Ballyclare haven’t adopted the same approach.

    Ranger?

  • AntrimObserver

    p.s. £15million…

    OUCH!

  • lamhdearg

    if the psni make arrests will the conspiracy in the minds of some, go away, will the “some” come on here and say they where wrong, or will they note some other differance ie, but in ballyclare the loyalists where only held of 24 hours and wee jimmy from ardoyne was held for 25 hours before he spilled the beans on him self, will this then be held up as proof of mi5 pro loyalist leaning, or will they just move on to some other grand conspiracy.

    this is almost the same thing i commented before, but as every one else (including chris) is rehashing the same, whe not me.

  • Local hack

    Chris you sound disappointed there.

    My prediction is one relased on police bail, while the others are released pending further enquiries.

  • AntrimObserver

    Agreed, LH. And we’ll probably never hear another word about it. Meanwhile, in Ardoyne, I think the tally over the last two years now stands at about 80 people charged, doesn’t it.

    Bias. Pure and simple.

  • lamhdearg

    free the ballyclare 4, whats the evidence, show trials to follow, dirty tricks by the law, wheres the evidence, political policing, we want an enquiry into this miscarriage of justice bla blaa blaaa

  • Joe Bloggs

    [Comments edited- Play the ball,Joe.]
    These blogs are a joke and are making this website look amateurish and very pro-Irish Nationalist to the casual observer.

  • AntrimObserver

    Joe Bloggs, your pitiful post would bore even the most dedicated observer.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Joe
    You need to remember the rules of this site- play the ball, not man.

    These blogs certainly aren’t a joke, and indeed concerns regarding PSNI behaviour following the rioting in Ballyclare have been raised by nationalist politicians as well as political commentators of both a unionist and nationalist persuasion.

    The suggestion that the Ballyclare blogs make this site ‘very pro-Irish nationalist’ is infantile.(btw Is Quincy an Irish nationalist?)

    I would contend that any charges that hopefully may follow on from these and subsequent arrests in Ballyclare are directly related to the pressure brought to bear on the PSNI following their ‘apology’ and initial inactivity in Ballyclare.

    Those genuinely interested in developing a culture of civic policing, whereby the PSNI have earned the faith of every section of the community, should welcome such a development.

    That you appear to feel under pressure because of the focus brought on the Ballyclare saga on this site through my series of blogs should give you reason to stop and think.

  • Local hack

    AntrimObserver – “bias, pure and simple”

    The difference between Ardoyne and Ballyclare is quite simple – You can mark you calender for trouble in Ardoyne whereas Ballyclare was more of a spontaneous act.
    People even travel to Ardoyne to take part
    It would be the same matter if rioting broke out in a nationalist area that you never hear about – when was the last riot in Ballyclare??

    The police put out a huge presence, record their own footage and have the likes of tv and newspaper footage to look over in Ardoyne – in Ballyclare there was none of that.

    They may not have been caught on the back foot in Ballyclare, but the investigation is going to be much tricker, I would imagine than the Ardoyne investigation

  • PeterBrown

    Seeing others (Chris & AO) apparently have no compunction abouting repeating themselves ad infinitem / nauseam I’ll do the same and repost my comment on the first of the series which no-one has responded to (although LH is making virtually the same point). Maybe unlike Keano 10 on the Lower Newtownards Road sash playing census thread someone will actually reply!

    “Is it not just a case that you can set your clock by the Republican riots referred to here (which also took place in daylight and in a CCTV covered interface with many participants unmasked or poorly disguised – like wearing a oil drum over their head – hence the voluminous amount of film for the police to base arrests on) whereas most of the loyalist rioting recently was whilst not exactly spontaneous not an annual event and therefore the CCTV crews both on the ground and in the air didn’t arrive on scene until the show was almost over? As for those found guilty – lock em all up irrespective of what side they came from….”

  • Chris Donnelly

    Peter
    That only goes so far.

    The duration of the rioting in Ballyclare should have/ probably did mean that the PSNI had access to CCTV resources. It was being reported from afternoon that loyalists were blocking roads and, therefore, the PSNI were well aware that trouble was on the cards.

    I don’t know where such equipment is centrally stored- if indeed it is- but Ballyclare is hardly the back of beyond.

    Furthermore, evidence needs to be sought out by the PSNI either through the local community, intelligence or the witness testimonies of officers.

    The lack of PSNI activity in the initial period- coupled with the PSNI apology- contrasted sharply with PSNI activity elsewhere.

    That has led to the response from nationalist politicians, as well as media commentators, both unionist and nationalist in outlook.

    This is because most people understand that it is in the PSNI’s own interest to *prove* that it has left behind the biased policing of yesteryear, something that will be essential to the PSNI continuing to gain confidence of all sections of the community.

    Perhaps you could point me to another occasion when the PSNI apologised for removing flags erected to intimidate within hours of PSNI officers surviving an obvious murder attempt?

  • Local hack

    I think the underlying principal in these discussions is that the PSNI has not been able to distance itself from the Protestant bias that the RUC had.

    Which is nonsense, go to any loyalist estate anywhere and they will claim themuns (Republicans) are getting too much leverage with the police because of the link.

    These discussions prove that the police have been able to upset both sides of the community in equal measure, thereby doing a fantastic job.

    But they still should have never-ever apologised – I can only stand Willie McCrea’s smarm for so long!

  • ranger1640

    Antrim said: “Several of the people charged in relation to the Ardoyne riots handed themselves in, or were brought in by their parents”. I’m puzzled why the good ‘loyal’ and law-abiding folk of Ballyclare haven’t adopted the same approach”.

    Antrim that must be the most immature thing I have ever seen here posted on this site.

    Antrim, are you stating that there is a lack of virtue in Loyalist rioters that does not exist in republican rioters????

    What a strange analogy Antrim????

    So Antrim, you are stating that republican rioters are a superior form of rioter, than a Loyalist rioter? Because republican rioters hand themselves in to police!!!! Weird, childish or what!!!!!

    I would like to point out, that is obviously not the case Antrim, and indeed is factually not correct. Can you show a link to any report of republicans involved in rioting this year who have been taken to the PSNI by their parents?????

    As far as I can see they are not forming an orderly queue outside various PSNI stations all over Northern Ireland to hand their offspring in. This is why the police have to go and arrest the scrotes!!! But there you go another lode of testes from a republican supporter.

    By the way, does your analogy extend to the 10 year old republican rioter, or is it only for the more immature republican rioter????

  • sonofstrongbow

    Arrests follow the “pressure brought to bear on the PSNI”. Lol.

    Cut to an office in Police HQ:
    Matt ‘ Judith, I’m getting awful worried about Chris Donnelly’s Ballyclare Watch, it’s Day 26 for God’s sake!’

    Judith ‘I’m feelin the pressure too Matt. I’ve one of my headaches coming on; and I drew the short-straw to go to Provo-Fest.’

    Matt ‘let’s tell the lads to scoop a few Prods, that’ll give my old ticker some rest.

    Judith ‘ok Matt I’ll get the Collusion Department to give me some names of their underperformers they’ll do for the chop. Better tell Davy Ford not to be handing out any orange-get-out-of-jail-free cards as well.’

  • ranger1640

    The conspiracy goes on, day 1640, media out lets have been made to hand over all footage of rioters.

    Is the republican love affair now over with the media.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14406454

  • PeterBrown

    Hilarious – Matt Baggott prescribed valium as a result of the musings of CD on Slugger (with an assist in FFL terms for AO obviously)

    Chris

    In my professional experience the video evidence comes from 3 sources – hand held camcorders which are not all that common (I’ve only seen them at pre arranged special occasions – usually PSNI officers weddings!), on top of Landrovers (only available when the nearest TSG respond to their beepers and arrive possibly in this case after dark) and the helicopter (never seen their footage professionally but on the TV it looks the best of the lot and I’m not sure when it was overhead but it seems to have provided most of the footage at Ardoyne Whiterock etc). In this case none would have been available at the start and I’m not sure when each arrived but compare the surgical glove wearing professionals in East Belfast with the unmasked amateurs in Ardoyne and you might find the answer – if not you need to change the title of these threads anyway…and I would reiterate lock em all up, its just that some are harder to convict than others (hence the string of guilty pleas for the Ardoyne riots last year and already this year)

  • ranger1640

    The continuing riot saga/count of Ballyclare v Ardoyne.

    On the 12th July at Ardoyne there were 5 water cannons deployed at the annual republican riots. The republican Ardoyne rioter was probably not told this by their comrade leaders before they were sent out. The PSNI water cannons, are command and control centres and each vehicle is fitted with 2 CAMERAS.

    For the slow and the republican paranoid here, 5 water cannons equals’ to 10 cameras taking footage of the crowd before and as riot develops. Add to this the cameras mounted at the roundabout, on PSNI land-rovers, the PSNI rotary wing aircraft (or for those form Ardoyne the helicopter) and the footage taken by media outlets. All this footage equates to thousands of minutes of coverage of the pre riot events and rioters.

    Given all this evidence is it any wonder the cannon fodder from Ardoyne, the Ardoyne rioter, is always in the dock!!!
    Think about it bhoys, you dander up to the police lines as part of a demo the cops have you on camera. You then pull up your GAA hoodie, cover your face with your Celtic scarf and all of a sudden you become invisible and unrecognisable. However the PSNI have had you GAA hoodie down and scarf in pocket just minutes before. D’oh!!!
    Open question to the Ardoyne rioter, If the PSNI have a picture of your face uncovered and then you go into rioter disguise do you think the PSNI can’t match both and come get you?

    The above just more proof, just like Chris’ last 2 posts on this topic. That republicans are racked with paranoia and self-doubt. Paranoia of the police, the state and Uncle Tom Cobley and all.

    This paranoia comes from the top down, their political leadership. McGuinness comes out to defend alleged IRA dissidents, people he called traitors. Then Kelly comes out to defend rioters, the same rioters he and Sinn Fein called criminals and antisocial elements in Ardoyne!!! D’oh!!!!!
    The only conclusion that one can come to, this alleged confident republican movement is still riddled with paranoia and self-doubt!!!

    Watch out you republican bhoys, the British bogeyman is still below your bed!!!! Keep taking the Prozac, bhoys, your condition will probably not get any better for at least another 800 years!!!

  • ranger1640

    Antrim, it seems that the Loyalist rioters have taken the same approach as the republican rioter, read below. Na, na, nan, nan, na!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14409150

    The men, aged 21, 23 and 55 are due to appear at Belfast Magistrates Court on Friday morning.

    Two of the men were arrested on Thursday morning while another handed himself into police in Antrim on Thursday afternoon.

  • between the bridges

    captain’s log, star date day 27…
    ‘bugger me, they have arrested someone what will i blog now’

  • Chris Donnelly

    From the above assortment of erratic posts, it’s clear I’ve developed quite a cult following amongst the more eccentric of our loyal brethren on Slugger, and for that I should be grateful.

    On the actual content of the emerging story, this would appear to be good news.

    It is clear that the PSNI have been forced into action, and the details of the charges (which should become clearer tomorrow) will indicate whether those allegedly responsible for the most serious incidents during the rioting in Ballyclare are in the frame.

    Rest assured, my loyal followers, more threads will follow as the story unfolds!

  • lamhdearg

    chris
    Think again, its not personal, it just in 2011, non irish nats people on slugger think your threads are so preposterous.The power that be here on slugger need to think, to carry such 1980s s.f. speak as serious thread making, when it is trolling of the most dopey kind.

  • Reader

    lamhdearg: when it is trolling of the most dopey kind.
    Desperately unfair – this is a feelgood thread all round. Usuns can watch the implosion of the latest outbreak of mopery, while themmuns can watch a few loyalists get trailed through the system.
    I can’t help thinking there’s still a chance this could go sour.

  • sonofstrongbow

    Poor Chris. It would appear that the PSNI headuins are not the only people feeling the “pressure”.

    I’ll treat the mild abuse, “eccentric” indeed, as an accolade. Thank you. However I must confess such praise is undeserved. I’ve lived long enough to know that it is impossible to cut through the MOPE miasma that surrounds Irish Republicans.

    Indeed yer man is still deluding himself with the belief that the polis were “forced” into investigating alleged rioters. I know that Irish Republicans don”t get the ‘evidence’ thing – too long a history built on unfounded allegations and green-tinged myths I suspect. But come on. Even the cops know you can’t hope to make an impact when your water cannon’s run dry. Time to return to base methinks and fill-up in preparation for the next perceived slight. Slan/boutye.

  • between the bridges

    chris…Tá moladh féin aon mholadh. the fact that your reply comments are longer than your blog says all it needs to re this subject and your bias… other than that keep up the good work, real comedy is hard to find on the interweb.

  • Chris Donnelly

    it just in 2011, non irish nats people on slugger think your threads are so preposterous.The power that be here on slugger need to think, to carry such 1980s s.f. speak as serious thread making, when it is trolling of the most dopey kind.

    lamhdearg
    1. This story has been covered repeatedly in the mainstream media, with the Deputy First Minister, other nationalist politicians and political commentators- unionist and nationalist- highlighting the PSNI apology and inactivity as a cause for concern.

    But, hey, if Slugger’s assorted ranks of anonymous unionist commenters think it’s preposterous……..

    2. It’s a bit sad and yet indicative of the mindset prevailing within parts of our society that you seek to persuade Mick (the power that *be’s* on Slugger) to curtail posts because the content doesn’t fit with your narrative.

    Between bridges
    I’m quite happy to have hosted threads with lengthy comments, regardless of the length of the initial thread.

    The quality- or otherwise- of the comments are there for all Slugger readers to view and assess in their own right.

  • between the bridges

    Chris you are by your own admiration a man, with an agenda, and as such you should expect criticism from those holding differing views.
    Especially when you cherry pick your ‘facts’ to ‘prove’ your case, but sure it’s better to keep telling yourself themuns are out to get ‘pauvre petit moi’.

  • Chris Donnelly

    ‘by your own admiration’- I trust you mean ‘admission’…..

    I have absolutely no problem with criticism, Bridges, but I do find it interesting that unionist commenters like yourself appear to have difficulty accepting that there is another point of view.

    We seem to have a blogger in our midst who believes that writing words in capital letters and adding multiple question/ exclamation marks to the end of his/ her sentences somehow adds credence to his line of argument. Other unionist commenters have indulged in personal insults which have had to be deleted for clearly violating Slugger’s basic rules.

    You see, Slugger has a range of bloggers: unionist, nationalist and otherwise. On a regular basis, you will find threads opened up by bloggers which could be interpreted as coming from a unionist- or indeed anti-republican- perspective.

    As I’ve pointed out before, it is somewhat revealing that republicans do not feel compelled to resort to the petulant behaviour of many of our fellow unionist commenters as demonstrated on this thread and elsewhere (granted, that is not always the case though.)

    Calling on Slugger to ban bloggers because they post threads which you disagree with is not a healthy sign.

    For my part, I’ve not cherrypicked any facts, merely highlighted the facts as they are, which has clearly caused considerable angst to yourself and other unionist commenters on here.

    Finally, I’ve no sense of anyone coming to get me- in French or in English (or Irish for that matter), and such a bizarre line of attack indicates someone uncomfortable discussing the merits of their viewpoint.

  • between the bridges

    Chris I meant what I meant, trust me.
    ‘ but I do find it interesting that unionist commenters like yourself appear to have difficulty accepting that there is another point of view.’ hmmmmm is this not the whatterbouttery mirror image of my previous point?

    ‘As I’ve pointed out before, it is somewhat revealing that republicans do not feel compelled to resort to the petulant behaviour of many of our fellow unionist commenters as demonstrated on this thread and elsewhere (granted, that is not always the case though.)’

    Eh? We don’t do it as much as themums but maybe sometimes we do?

    ‘Calling on Slugger to ban bloggers because they post threads which you disagree with is not a healthy sign.’

    I agree, so the ‘you’ is obviously not ‘I’?

    Finally
    facile omnes quom valemus recta consilia aegrotis damus, mendacem memorem esse oportet

  • lamhdearg

    chris,
    i am not asking for a ban, i am asking for bit of sense. when i suggest that the gaa and the o.o parades are somehow the same, i read that i am comparing apples and oranges, in comparing ballyclare to ardoyne others do the same, when you try to point out that no one has been arested over ballyclare, and that means the psni is somehow part of a anti irish nats whatever, you are being selective to the point that i can only assume that it is really propaganda. aim higher, and good luck.

  • AntrimObserver

    On the topic of loyalist bigots, I see another young Catholic lad (17) is fighting for his life after being attacked in Antrim in what is being described as a sectarian attack. Worringly, the lad’s condition has gone from serious to critical in the last few hours. Interestingly, it has taken over 24 hours for the sectarian aspect of the attack to be revealed. One can be certain that if it had been a Protestant injured the police would have been only too quick to reveal the religious aspect to the incident. How many times have the cops cowardly claimed they’re ‘keeping an open mind to the motive’ when Catholics are attacked?

    There is something sick within loyalism that breeds young men who will think nothing of kicking a Catholic to death if they happen to chance upon one (Michael McIlveen, Robert Hamill, Kevin McDaid etc).

    I mean, can any sluggerites tell me the last time a gang of Catholic youths chanced upon a Protestant and kicked him to death?

    Well?

  • Guevaras Ghost

    AntrimObserver

    They even have a name for it and the media make it out to be a fun thing….The bouncey bouncey.

  • PeterBrown

    AO & GG

    There is no monopoly of any form of terrorism or violence (except perhaps the human bomb) on either side in NI – check out why the William King Memorial Band is named after William King and you’ll see who was the first death recorded in Lost Lives by what you describe as “young men who will think nothing of kicking a (insert religion) to death if they happen to chance upon one”.

    The death of Michael McIlveen which is much more recent was the culmination of a series of tit for tat attacks in Ballymena which if I remember correctly involved more protestant victims than catholics according to police statistics at the time – not the most appropriate analogy perhaps but let those who are without sin cast the first stone!

  • lamhdearg

    “One can be certain that if it had been a Protestant injured the police would have been only too quick to reveal the religious aspect to the incident. How many times have the cops cowardly claimed they’re ‘keeping an open mind to the motive’ when Catholics are attacked?”
    ao, we have a compleatly opposite view on this, both of us can not be right. i think its time i took a break from slugger.
    bastard
    fuck
    cunt
    bollacks
    shit
    horse’s ass
    kill all …………………
    red card please.

  • I am surprised (or perhaps not that surprised) that there has been no thread on the appalling attack on Jordan Duffy.
    In the absence of a thread, I would take the opportunity of recording my disgust on this thread. And like all Sluggerites wish the young man a full recovery.
    And like all Sluggerites would wish for the speedy apprehension and conviction of his attackers.

  • So the Met can arrest 40+ during a night of rioting and the PSNI are lucky to arrest 10.
    Perhaps the PSNI should be going to get some training from the Met.

  • PeterBrown

    MP

    I’ll bet there are more charges for looting (something riots here rarely if ever feature) rather than rioting or public disorder – it’s difficult to run away when you are carrying a 40″ plasma tv which have just recovered from the local Argos or Currys

  • Lionel Hutz
  • Lionel Hutz

    I am looking forward to hearing Jeffrey Donaldson calling for them to evicted from their homes and lose all benefits

  • lamhdearg

    whether it comes from jeffrey or any one else, take a lot of people with criminal tendency put them out on the street with no means of support, and you get what. Well thought out that one.

  • Lionel Hutz

    Lamhdearg,

    Im not saying I agree with him. I completly disagree with him. It will just be interesting to see if he supports such an action.

  • lamhdearg

    lionel hutz,
    i also completely disagree with this non starter of a cop-out, i would give (unemployed) people found guilty of crime (such as looting) a choice work for your benefits or jail. fine the employed big time, hang child murderers, rant over for now, hope i did not mislead you as to my mindset vis a vis my comment at 10:48, have a nice day. (tomorrow)