Ballyclare Riot Arrest & Charge Watch: Day 18

It is now Day 18 since loyalist rioting erupted in Ballyclare and the south east Antrim area following the removal of loyalist flags outside a catholic church in the town.

And still, no arrests nor charges.

Meanwhile, Sinn Fein’s Gerry Kelly accused the PSNI of double standards, a charge denied by PSNI Detective Chief Inspector, Alan Little. The leading North Belfast republican representative was speaking (subs reqd) after the PSNI released video footage of rioting in Ardoyne.

Gerry Kelly:

There is a strong perception that there exists a hands-off approach when it comes to the PSNI dealing with loyalist violence….Nothing can justify those who were responsible for rioting yet nothing can also justify these figures and the PSNI have serious questions to answer.

The PSNI DCI, Alan Little, also had this to say:

No matter where you are involved in violence we will take every step we can to bring people before the courts.

We shall see….

  • aquifer

    This mass arresting of rioters is a new thing and a great idea. If the cops need money for more TV wagons give it them. The public street is no place for blood sports.

  • ranger1640

    It seems there the sinners have opened a second front in their on going battle with the PSNI over arrests.

    Wee Marty is not happy at how the PSNI went about arresting IRA dissidents allegedly involved in the murder of Ronan Kerr.

    “Sinn Féin have described a PSNI operation which resulted in five arrests by officers investigating the murder of Constable Kerr as “heavy handed and reminiscent of the bad old days”.

    http://www.u.tv/News/Kerr-arrest-operation-PR-stunt-SF/f3dcf9a0-38fa-48d7-bc3b-50f98a329db7

  • Good to see someone questioning the rebranded RUC about their level of impartiality in policing operations. The reality for working-class Republican areas across the Six Counties is that British Political Policing is alive and well.

    Last summer for example,

    Loyalists held a four day protest outside ASDA on the Shore Road. Where scores of customers could not access the Supermarket and the store lost millions…How many protesters were arrested and/or charged none?

    Nationalists held a four hour protest on the Crumlin Road. Where scores of motorists could not access the road…How many protesters were arrested and/or charged…?

    Two were arrested off the road and charged and since then another 40 have been charged?

    Impartial Policing, Methinks NOT!

  • between the bridges

    well done the psni keep up the good work.

  • ranger1640

    Ardoyne republican, ” Loyalists held a four day protest outside ASDA on the Shore Road. Where scores of customers could not access the Supermarket and the store lost millions”.

    Ardoyne, can you substantiated that the store lost millions!!!!

  • Comrade Stalin

    That story about ASDA is total nonsense, there was a protest when a certain individual was sacked, but I don’t believe the shop was blocked (mainly because a lot of locals work and shop there).

  • andnowwhat

    I shop in the ASDA on the Shore Rd and had no bother shopping when the protest took place.

    I love the idea of us Shore Rd people having millions to spend in just 4 days. Think I’ll superglue a Jag badge to the font of my Kia now

  • @ranger1640& Comrade Stalin..

    In answer, are yous trying to tell me that a large store was closed/blocked for four days and didn’t loose millions?

    How come no-one was lifted and/or charged? Did the protesters have permission from the Parades Commission for their illegal gathering if not,why did the unreformed RUC not lift anyone?

    Likewise, how come the same political Police didn’t lift and/or charge those scores of Loyalists who regularly block the Crumlin Road/Hesketh junction as well as the Twaddell Avenue/Crumlin Roads junction when Loyal Order Parades are coming? This occurs regularly whenever unwelcome parades trample through Ardoyne?

    However,

  • PeterBrown

    Is it not just a case that you can set your clock by the Republican riots referred to here (which also took place in daylight and in a CCTV covered interface with many participants unmasked or poorly disguised – like wearing a oil drum over their head – hence the voluminous amount of film for the police to base arrests on) whereas most of the loyalist rioting recently was whilst not exactly spontaneous not an annual event and therefore the CCTV crews both on the ground and in the air didn’t arrive on scene until the show was almost over? As for those found guilty – lock em all up irrespective of what side they came from….

  • ranger1640

    Ardoyne, did you not read my post I’m not trying to tell you any thing I’m asking you to substantiate “a large store was closed/blocked for four days and didn’t loose millions”?

    I am asking you to substantiate the fact that you have now said twice that the store lost millions!!!

    How do you know this?????

    And while your taking about protests at Ardoyne, do the white line protests by republicans constitute a breach of the law????

  • Any arrests in the Oldpark yet

  • ranger1640

    Just to widen the issue with Christ bring up this subject up again.

    This unwarranted attack in on the PSNI by two senior Sinn Fein politicos and with the sustained anti PSNI champaign on here by Chris. Could it be because there are rumblings on the ground in republican ghettos, that the PSNI are doing their job and the natives don’t like it????

    Why would Sinn Fein have an issue with the PSNI arresting rioters and persons in connection with the murder of a PSNI officer. People they have claimed are traitors???

  • PJ Maybe

    Chris Donnelly Watch Day 10,000.
    What about this? What about that? Why haven’t they been arrested? Why have they been arrested? No police response. Too much police response. And repeat.

  • As for my knowledge about just how much ASDA lost in customer revenue during those FOUR days…It is one of the main reasons that the same company could NOT locate on the Crumlin Road!

    Regards GARC’s White Line Pickets…NO they do NOT constitute a breach of Law chara. Every citizen has the right to register their opposition to Exclusive Unionist/Loyalist Secret Societies which exist to Keep the Croppies Down!

    Surprisingly, U failed to answer my questions about the crowds of Loyalists who regularly BLOCK the Crumlin Road and Twaddell Avenue…Are they breaching the law – of course they ARE!

    Can we expect the RUC/PSNI to arrest and charge any of these law breaking-citizens? Of course we can’t because the political Police remain the same as before – British and Partial!

  • andnowwhat

    With orange men having apparently walked on the Garvaghy Rd tonight and all, I think the fun time is over

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14320037

  • vanhelsing

    Ah Chris good to see you reminding us…is that the best you could hang the story on ’18 days and counting’… Will there be a post of 57 days since the ballyclare rioting – the update YOU need to hear!! Reminds me a little of MSNBC reporting

    Enough scarcasm.

    “There is a strong perception that there exists a hands-off approach when it comes to the PSNI dealing with loyalist violence…”

    Really Gerry? Remarkable – of course we ALL noticed how the police dealt differently when it was Republicans / Loyalists rioting!

    I honestly have read some rubbish on slugger but this really is up there for me:)

  • andnowwhat

    Any chance of a blog on how the OO will not allow this society to live on peace given the link I posted above?

    Sorry if it is off topic, I’m no blogger

  • AntrimObserver

    Surely, Slugger has readers from Ballyclare, no?

    I just wanted to know how the police are progressing there – you know, with their door to door enquires trying to identify the rioters etc.

    Any Ballyclare Sluggerites out there?

  • AntrimObserver

    When the loyalist thugs attacked Short Strand recently we heard a lot from from the police about ‘trying to find a resolution using community representatives’. When the same loyalist thugs rioted in Ballyclare we heard the same line from the police – with a snivelling apology chucked in for good measure.

    Why was this ‘resolution’ narrative absent from the police’s vocabulary regarding Ardoyne?

    Similarly, when the loyalists attacked Short Strand the police stayed in their vehicles because the situation was, it seems, too dangerous. I can accept that explanation for the first night of loyalist rioting on the Newtownards Road when the police might have been unprepared. Although, if the police had been doing their jobs properly – and the so called community reps had picked up the phone to warn them – they would have had the intel info in advance to know 100 men with hoods were mustering in an area festooned with PSNI cctv, no?

    Yet the cops stayed in their vans again on the second night of loyalist attacks on the Newtownards Road. Far too dangerous, you see.

    As for the Ardoyne, well that’s a different matter. Despite burning cars (which could’ve killed millions by all accounts!) and flying masonry, the cops were only too willing to don the riot gear and race into the nationalist crowds, batons flailing. No fear there, it seems.

    So, why the difference?

    Just asking.

  • Local hack

    In today’s Irish News Newton makes a good point that you can’t judge the PSNI of its lacks of arrests in Ballyclare – yet!

    It was a riot in a residential area with little CCTV and unexpected to a degree from the PSNI pov.

    However, in a month’s time things should be a lot different, but given that the cops can’t interview innocent people now, so says Marty McGuinness, then the police have their hands tied.

  • ranger1640

    Ardoyne, your wrong again in your post above ” As for my knowledge about just how much ASDA lost in customer revenue during those FOUR days…It is one of the main reasons that the same company could NOT locate on the Crumlin Road”!

    The reason for no Asda store on the Crumlin road was that they could not get a drinks license.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12748387

    See you on the white line soon.

  • sonofstrongbow

    Irish Republicans eh? Whinge when there are arrests, whinge when there are no arrests. Common denominator – whinge. Now there is, like drying paint, something to watch.

  • ranger1640

    Here you go Chris here is another arrest to add to the conspiracy theory!!!

    http://www.u.tv/News/Teenager-arrested-over-Ardoyne-riot/2b1820f6-71d2-400b-bb6f-ffbd4ca45f48

  • ranger1640

    I wonder will there be arrests at this menacing protest.

    http://greaterardoyneresidents.blogspot.com/

  • fordprefect

    So Gerry Kelly accused the RUC/PSNI of double standards. Pot and kettle spring to mind here. Kelly said that there was a “perception” about more arrests being made in Nationalist/Republican areas, it is not a “perception” it is fact! Little said that there were as many arrests in east Belfast as there were in north Belfast, neglecting to mention of course, that most of the arrests in east Belfast were Nationalists/Republicans protecting their loved ones and property from a UVF orchestrated onslaught! Kelly and co. can’t have it both ways, He and his ilk tout on people and call on others to do the same, and, when people are arrested they complain about it! Through the looking glass, or what!

  • fordprefect

    Another thing, anyone who believes that the RUC/PSNI didn’t know in advance about the attack on the Short Strand needs their heads examined!

  • lamhdearg

    If someone standing in the middle of the road gets a sore bum on account of a car door mirror slapping there fat bottom, is the driver of the car or the jay walker at fault.

  • Comrade Stalin

    In answer, are yous trying to tell me that a large store was closed/blocked for four days and didn’t loose millions?

    No, I’m trying to tell you that a large store was neither blocked nor closed for four days and therefore did not lose “millions”. There was a protest staged outside the place. They didn’t stop people going in. I’m pretty sure that if they did, there would indeed have been some sort of police action to keep the entrance clear.

  • ranger1640

    Sinn Fein has a wee bit of form when it comes to directly interfering in police investigations.

    After the murder of Robert McCartney in a pub full of Sinn Fein members, firstly there was a forensic clean up of the scene. Then the character assassination of the victims, then the not so local elected Sinn Fein representative Alex Maskey, claimed that the resulting riots preventing the police form questioning and arresting suspects, was the result of community anger at the police going into the Markets to investigation and make arrests.

    However that is in direct contradiction to what the residents claimed. “He (Alex Maskey) also denied claims by residents that republicans had ordered children to riot in the Markets area to impede police investigating the murder”!

    “Asked whether, as residents claim, two of the men involved in the clean-up after the murder had previously acted as his election workers, he said he would not comment on “falsehoods in the media”.

    “As he was answering these questions, one of Robert McCartney’s uncles burst through the crowd, shouting: “You have nine other members of this gang … who butchered my nephew. When are you going to hand them over? You couldn’t even remember Robert’s name [after the murder]. Hand over the 12.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/feb/28/northernireland.northernireland2

    Have Sinn Fein really bought into policing???
    I can’t wait until the HSE start to make serious in roads into republican crimes. Then we will see the true support the shinners have for policing???

  • Is it not time for an update?
    Whatever happened to Day 19, Day 20?

  • ranger1640

    Here are another 3 form the republican part of Ardoyne, to add to the tally Chris.

    http://www.u.tv/News/Teens-in-court-over-Belfast-rioting/7737fd01-e30a-43cd-861c-11ec646ed4b2

  • ranger1640

    Here are another 2 form the republican part of Ardoyne, to add to the tally Chris.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14348558

  • ranger1640

    Not sure how many days it is now, but here are another 2 from the republican part of Ardoyne, to add to the tally Chris.

    Sinn Fein should be congratulating the PSNI for cleaning up the republican part of Ardoyne, removing if only for a short time all this scum, not criticising them.

    “YEEHAW OLD MAN”!

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/two-charged-over-riot-petrol-bomb-16030178.html