McClarty to stay independent

Former UUP MLA, David McClarty, now elected to the NI Assembly as an independent MLA, has just confirmed on UTV Live that he will not be joining the UUP Assembly group.

That decision means the UUP will only get one ministerial position and the final, tenth, position on the NI Executive to be distributed under d’Hondt will go to the Alliance Party.

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  • townieman

    Fair play to him. Good to see a politician stick by his principles and stand by the constituents who elected him.

  • Barry the Blender

    He didn’t exactly owe the UUP anything did he?

  • JR

    must have been a tough decision. Must be quite tempting to be a member of a party rather than an indipendant.

  • Cynic2

    Why tough? This is a small part of a small island. Politics apart, we have to live with our neighbours and who would want to be part of a party where the ‘leader’ behaves as last week and wont even apologise? Some people have standards.

  • Barry the Blender

    Think of it this way. Tom Elliott never backed David McClarty up at the critical moment when McClarty needed it most.

    Now that there is something of a reversal of fortunes, it seems that this has been repaid.

  • LukeCass

    Apparently #ToxicTom made an apology this afternoon for his moronic remarks.

    However McClarty is right to stay away, at least until the UUP sorts their mess out.

  • joeCanuck

    Honourable man. It would have been deceitful of him to run as an independent and then immediatey rush back to the UUP for a goody.
    He can have a conversation with his constituents and maybe return to the fold later when and if, the UUP decide where they really stand.

  • An Ceide

    A man of integrity, fair play where it is due.

  • separatesix

    Tom Elliott is the honourable man not McClarty.

  • al

    Just want to echo the sentiments of others on this blog. Fair play to McClarty.

  • Mr Crumlin

    I have to say I was really surprised by this. I totally misread the situation – fair play to Mr McClarty.

    Obviously a decent and honourable man.

    However it does lead to Fitzjames (hobby) Horse of two seats for APNI with half the votes.

    Interesting executive meetings ahead!

  • Two lost seats at Assembly due to ‘modernising’ changes initiated under Trimble, or encouraged by Trimble’s men. Nothing much that Elliott could have done given the rules and history he was handed. Though he didn’t help with a muddled and uncertain message in the run-up and through the campaign.

    There are deeper organisational issues, due to weakening local membership being dominated by series of vested interests.

    But who has been the Director of Elections and who has been responsible for the Constituency party over the most recent elections? Start there.

  • Mick Fealty

    It would have been politics Joe.

    What it reveals is Tom Elliott’s weakness as a leader and further proof of the general ineptitude of the party.

    McClarty was victim of a nasty piece of parochial vengeance. He then appealed to headquarters who in turn refused to help.

    It’s thought they were afraid the precedence would open a legal hole that another, much weaker, failed nominee might step through.

  • Blowinginthewind

    David McClarty has shown himself a man of integrity. But it can be a mighty lonely place to be as your former friends and colleagues turn their backs on you. It must have been tempting to come back into the fold. That he didn’t shows character, it also emphasises, if you needed it, the disfunctionality of the current UUP.

  • joeCanuck

    seperatesix,
    Care to expand on your comment at 7.15?

  • alan56

    McClarty’s decision is clever because the timing was all wrong for him. He can claim to be honouring his electorate and showing integrity while at the same time dealing a body blow to Elliot’s leadership. He could of course change his mind if there is a new UUP leader who supports the ‘reform and modernisation’ that he has stated is vital for the future of UUP. If he were to rejoin later I assume AP would lose their ministry?

  • Mick, it was HQ that did him, not the locals. The rules were ‘modernised’ by Trimble to reduce the ability of locals to put up poor candidates – the irony. The comments of others locally were post event. You can contact if you want the (complex) methods. Both North Down and East Londonderry were the fallout of pre-Elliott events. Belfast, heading there for a long time, and could provide chapter and verse on slow decline there with any challenge/competion to established elected members ruthlessly marginalised. And on. What could Elliott have achieved in six months. Better messaging for sure, but that would only have made it less worse for this election.

  • liam charles

    Alan

    Once d’Hondht is run the ministrys stay. If McClarity rejoined the UUP next week nothing would change.

    Respect to the man, few politicians have the courage of their convictions.

  • alan56

    Compare and contrast the ‘grip’ that MMcG and Robbo have on their parties with the authority that a UUP or SDLP leader have. Therein lies the problem……and perhaps the answer!

  • Cahir O’Doherty

    Ok, forgive me if I am being completely thick but hear me out.

    There are 12 ministries in the executive.

    But only 10 of these are selected using D’Hondt (Justice and OFMDFM being filled separately).

    So with 10 ministries to pick via the D’Hondt method the UUP still get 2 and the Alliance none (on 16 and 8 MLAs respctively)..at least, that’s according to the D’Hondt calculators that I have been playing with online.

    So what am I missing?

  • alan56

    LC
    Thanks for that. I assume you are correct. Strange system. If 10 DUP members were to defect to UUP then all ministries would stay the same? !!!!

  • Blowinginthewind

    The DUP get 4, SF get 3, Alliance, UUP and SDLP each get one. DUP gets first pick, then SF, then DUP again. Then the UUP get to pick….can’t remember who goes after that.

  • liam charles

    Cahir

    When it gets to last pick the uup have 16 seats /2 for having one ministry (8 seats). Alliance have 8 seats /1 for no ministrys. As they both draw it goes to first preference votes – UUP have 98,000 /2 for having one ministry and Alliance have 50,000 / 1 for having no ministrys. Alliance get 10th pick because they have higher first prefs.

  • liam charles

    Alan, if 10 DUP MLA’s joined the UUP then the world would end.

  • separatesix

    Tom Elliott had no need to make a groveling apology, after all as a former grand master the nationalist community hate him already, so what if he alienated a few liberals they’re leaving for the Alliance and sell-out DUP anyway.

  • separatesix

    I think Elliott is more honourable than McClarty as elliott we was in the UDR,

    [Play the ball – edited moderator]

  • Cahir O’Doherty

    Liam Charles,

    Thank you! Everything suddenly makes so much more sense! The online calculators failed to take first preference votes into account!

  • iluvni

    Yet another example of small minded self centred Unionists fighting amongst each other whilst their political opponents make off with the spoils.
    Truly pathetic all round.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Well done Davey.
    You stuck to your guns there boy.
    As someone already pointed out,it wasn’t really that difficult a choice to make.
    Not with the UUP imploding as it is.
    Still,credit where credit is due.

    seperate………former grand master/wizard/vicar,is from an age long past.
    The dupers themselves even worked that one out !!

  • separatesix

    Heinzguderian Do you mean it is or isn’t a problem Elliott was a former grand master?

  • HeinzGuderian

    Take a look at the UUP vote,and work it out for yourself !!
    I can only speak for myself here,but I am sick,sore and tired of orange order parades,bonfires,blood and thunder speeches by so called men of gawd !!

  • separatesix

    How do you think protestants feel about republican parades, sinister men with dark sunglasses a lot more menacing than the loyal orders.

  • Eglise en bois

    I reckon the honourable member for East Londonderry will be “speaker” by tomorrow evening thus relieving a problem for the DUP leading inevitably to a peerage for Mr McClarty. Sinn fein get a non unionist majority on the Executive and the DUP get to smoother the UUP abit more!

  • separatesix

    The Loyal orders are mostly harmless old men going to a church service compare that to a millitant republican flute band. Kick-the-pope bands are in the minority so that old argument can’t be used.

  • Mark

    Heinz ,

    I think that ban has done you the world of good .

  • separatesix

    Rather McClarty as speaker than Willie Hay he was way to civil to Sinn Fein during the last assembly term even defending them when they were criticized (well he was born in Donegal), no wonders some unionists in Foyle didn’t vote with candidates like him.

  • joeCanuck

    OMG,

    Do I have to stop wearing my dark (is there another kind?) sunglasses to prevent frighting the women, children and horses in the street?

    Would it be a truism to say that former Grand Masters never get tired and emotional?

  • joeCanuck

    And an impartial Speaker. Who dreamt up that oddity?

  • Eglise en bois

    yeah but a price would be a price!

  • Dewi

    Nice. Good for him.

  • HeinzGuderian

    mark………………twas always my thoughts on the *loyal* orders.

    separate……..I am a Unionist !! The Union is secure for the foreseeable future,and beyond !! 😉
    The UUP linkage to prehistoric men in bowler hats,pretending to be religious,while listening to *blood and thunder* speeches is,quite frankly,cringe worthy !!!
    King Billy won a battle in 1690……whoopi dooo……..The price of gas just went up by 40%,electricity to follow………..that’s the REAL world !!
    Friend Fitzy is stuck in 1745……………our nat/rep chums hanker back to 1916,the 1640’s and any other date they can think off…………..that’s their problem !!
    The dirty,little,sectarian,skirmish is OVER !!!
    The Union is secure.
    Religious point scoring,from whatever brand you happen to partake off,is an irrelevance,in the New Atheist Age.
    As I have already stated……..even the dupers have caught on to that !!

  • separatesix

    HeinzGuderian The DUP changed overnight one day they were talking about IRA/Sinn Fein then the next they were coming out with statements that Dawn Purvis could have written.

  • separatesix

    I suppose McClarty has always been consistent but the DUP’s sudden conversion is too much for some to take, should have seen it coming though when Gregory Campbell attended the West Belfast festival one year.

  • joeCanuck

    Oh to be young and naive again.

  • HeinzGuderian

    The dupers changing over night is a good thing,surely ? ( don’t call me Shirley ) I tried !!! Couldn’t resist that though 😉

    That UUP eegit from East Belfast,whose name escapes me now,whining on about playing football matches on a sunday ?
    Iris and her spectacular downfall.
    Dr Doom,and his miraculous Chuckle Brother conversion.
    I have no idea whether Davy McClarty is a gawd boy or not……..but he stuck to his principles by not supporting that embarrassment Elliott !!
    The UUP better break the link to the *loyal* orders pretty damn quick,or the dupers will swallow them up.

  • Mark McGregor

    Why is Jim Allister not equally responsible for the lose a ministry for Unionism?

    Who could expect McClarty to rejoin a UUP that so totally humiliated him?

    Jim allister is new to the Assembly though, why wouldn’t he nominally join a Unionist party to ensure an additional Ministry over Alliance?

    Does he prefer to see Alliance have an increased role? Has he been approached? Has he approached?

  • Eglise en bois

    Heinz – the UUP broke the link with the “loyal orders” as you call them in 2005!

  • joeCanuck

    Good point, Mark. Allister would make a good sidekick to the now exposed Elliot.
    Alternatively, maybe Elliot should defect to the TUV.

  • joeCanuck

    Slight correction. I think it was the “Orders” who broke the link. I must admit up front, however, that my memory is failing.

  • Mark McGregor

    Here’s one:

    Jim Allister joins the UUP on Thursday. He leaves 2 minutes after the Assembly meets. The UUP give him a Committee chair, they get two Ministries.

    They have 4 years to get over it – much like APNI did on redesignation all those years back.

    Am I bad boy for pointing this out 😉

  • separatesix

    joecanuck we woulden’t take a gift of Elliott maybe the NI cons could take him on.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Friend Tom isn’t in the OO ?? That’s news to me………………but then again,I have been sin binned for a while !! 😉

  • separatesix

    Heinz Guderian you have to admit the DUP didn’t prepare their old stalwarts properly for their “peace-process conversion”. Others can mock the plain folk and call them names but as far as they’re concerned the DUP have chosen Barabass over Jesus. I know I misspelt that.

  • separatesix

    Surely McClarty dosen’t like the thought of individuals waving Irish flags about either.

  • separatesix

    The only thing worse than those republican flag wavers this election has to be the thought of Barry McElduff in his Tyrone gaelic shorts.

  • HeinzGuderian

    I take it you are a tuv supporter,separate ? It all becomes clearer now.

    The dupers have toned down the religious,bible thumping guff,because they realised what a turn off it is !!

    The shinners are administering British Rule at Stormont…….surely that should put a smile on Grimms bake ??? 🙂

  • Blowinginthewind

    Mark, there are rules on how and when two parties can merge–it’s different for an independent member who can easily join a party. But for two parties to join, which is what would have to happen for Jim Allister to affect the UUP total, you have to have one party constitution and one leader. Takes far too much time to accomplish.

  • Mark McGregor

    Blowing,

    The TUV and UUP don’t have to merge. Jim Allister has to join the UUP for a few seconds, then immediately resign. Or does he want Alliance to have a ministry over the UUP? This is how idiotic Stormont is – if he signs in as UUP, Alliance lose a Ministry to the UUP – over to MLA Jim Allister, his decision.

    McClarty made his decision, its now up to Allister if Alliance take a Ministry from unionism.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Alliance are Unionists……….so no biggy !! 😉

  • RyanAdams

    I would doubt Jim Allister cares – remember – Thats the purpose he’s there. To illustrate how benign Stormont is.

  • separatesix

    Alliance are not unionists if they’d got control of Castlereagh Borough Council they’d have dragged down her majesty’s portrait and put the rates up (I don’t know that but the DUP seem to think it)

  • dwatch

    I thought Tom Elliott wanted the UUP to go into opposition. So why would they want any ministers posts anyway?

  • Cynic2

    “Tom Elliott wanted the UUP to go into opposition. So why would they want any ministers posts anyway?”

    Your post betrays a touching but misplaced belief that the UUP have a coherent position on anything.

    This week Samoa decided to move to the other side of the International Date Line. Would that Fermanagh Unionists would do the same and try and catch up with the rest of us

  • carl marks

    separatesix
    Rather McClarty as speaker than Willie Hay he was way to civil to Sinn Fein during the last assembly term even defending them when they were criticized (well he was born in Donegal), no wonders some unionists in Foyle didn’t vote with candidates like him

    please do a bit of research about the job of speaker he is meant to put party polictics to one side and ensure that the mob in stormount behave with some manners and try to keep the place from descending into chaos in this he has done a tough job with grace and a firm hand, no matter how much you dislike the shiners they are here to stay for the forseeable future and were elected to the place, perhaps you would perfer someone who was partisan in the job then we could forget about politics and just have a secterian screaming match instead please list the people who you think would be best at this post we could all do with a good laugh.

  • nightrider

    Jim Allister would do a great job as speaker.

  • carl marks

    nightrider

    Jim Allister would do a great job as speaker.

    nightrider if Jim approached the job in the same manner as he performed as a barrister and managed to put aside his personal opinions then yes he would do a good job as speaker but they are two big ifs. when Wille Hay was apointed to the job i had my doubts but i dont mind admitting he proved me wrong however the chances of Jim being approved by either the shinners or the dups are about the same as finding out that Elvis is alive and living with the loch ness monster

  • RyanAdams

    Jim as speaker? I’d miss his weekly rants

  • separatesix

    Why would a respectable QC like Allister want to be speaker in that wasteful white elephant, it’s built on a shaky foundation. The Welsh and Scottish assemblies have their critics too, most Scottish will reject independence even if they’re SNP voters, so there’ll be no implications for NI. Direct rule would be preferable to this cabal. less than half the population of NI actually even voted in the 2011 assembly and council elections, so just how representative is it?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mark, that would require Allister to (temporarily) join a pro-Agreement party. Which might for some people imply a hole in his principles.

    The Ulster Unionists are already having enough trouble presenting themselves as moderates without being seen very publicly to have done a deal with Jim Allister.

  • Comrade Stalin

    In terms of McClarty’s decision, it would indeed be very difficult to see how he would rejoin a party after having been treated so badly by it, and especially after winning a mandate on the back of his standing as an independent.

    I am sure, though, that Tom Elliott wasn’t the first person to phone him over the weekend; those supporting a change of leadership will, undoubtedly, have called to encourage him to remain outside of the party knowing that this will help to focus attention on the leader’s weakness. I am not implying that McClarty has done a deal, although I would not be massively surprised if he rejoined the party a short time after a new leader is appointed as part of an effort of that new leader to try to show a new, friendlier and more moderate, direction.

    I doubt he’ll get a peerage. You need to be recommended by someone with a bit of clout in Westminster for that.

  • separatesix

    Don’t think Allister will play kingmaker.

  • carl marks

    comrade stalin

    i dont think jim will be speaker but not because of principals i think that they may be more elastic tnan you think but lets face it you have to have friends in high places to get the job.

    separatesix
    are you suggesting that the previous speaker is not a respectable person

  • joeCanuck

    Yes, Carl. separatesix has previously condemned Willie Hay for being respectful towards certain MLAs.