Don’t go back to the bad old days

The question discussed by BBC NI religion presenter Will Crawley of whether the Irish Presbyterian moderator should attend on the Pope  reminds me of the stern warning issued  by the Skibbereen Eagle in west Cork in the 1850s, Skibereen  has its eye on the Czar.”  Not many outside Skib noticed until the headline  became a cute byword for inflated self importance.   

 But it sure takes you back to the old days.   Paisley  can’t  resist reliving the glory of those flour sacks  at the back the crowd in St Peter’s Square and his distant roars at JP2 from some where in the  middle of the vast European hemicycle, like a bit player in  Monty Python’s Life of Brian.

On the surface, the ever burgeoning abuse scandal  gives more credibility to Protestant objections to Rome than ever – until we’re reminded  of how Protestant pastors with their unique hotline to God can somehow get it tangled with their own egos and become more papal than any old man  in the Vatican. Try Pastor Jone’s ego for size.

So here we go again.  Or  do we?  Today’s Pope is an easier target than the reformer John XXIII.  But if the Vatican and the hierarchies have rolled back from the momentous days of the early sixties, the laity  certainly haven’t. That’s  the message of the Indy’s poll of  Catholic attitudes to change. Perhaps there’s a lesson for  future   Popes and some political leaders – that they’ve become no more than  totem poles people dance around occasionally, while most of the time they get on with their own lives.

Of course the Moderator should attend,  more  out of  respect  for  his  Roman Catholic -co-religionists, than for the Pope himself.

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  • fitzjameshorse1745

    The great achievement of Pope Benedict and the child abuse that it has given anti Catholicism a degree of respectability.
    “Lord Bannside” aka “Dr” Paisley is jetting off to Edinburgh to protest the anti-Christ in John Knoxs old church. I bet twenty years ago “Dr” Paisley never envisaged anti Catholicism would make such a comeback.
    But the “Twin Towers” gave legs to Islamophobia and Paisleys fellow pastor “Dr” Terry Jones is probably not a big fan of the anti christ either.
    But Terry Jones is not the Messiah…..hes just a very naughty boy.
    Obviously no self respecting person talks about the anti christ and old Red Socks……not to mention the Whore of Babylon. And the stuff from the old Protestant Telegraph.

    Better to sign up to the bigotry of Polly Toynbee, Peter Tatchell and Stephen Fry…….oh and Frankie boyle, dara O’Briain and Ed Byrne et al.
    Thats the respectable end of bigotry.
    Guardian not Protestant Telegraph.
    As always journalists have no sense of History.
    The Popish Plot played to the mob.
    But the instigators of the Glorious Revolution would have ridiculed that kind of stupidity…but not above using the threat of Rome..and forging an alliance with nasty little bigots.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Apparently it’s bigotry to ask question of the architect,of the cover up of child rape ??
    Anyone doing so is clearly anti catholic ??
    How dare a free and open society,ask such questions ?
    By gad,the instigators of the Inquisition,would be spinning in their graves!!
    The Communist guardian,not protestant Telegraph ?
    Throw in a smidgen of 1745 rebellion…
    And a dash of Jacobitism,
    And hey presto
    Tis nought but The Mob,being used to quell another,devilish,popish plot.
    Guy Fawkes,where for art thou…….

    ( Sorry about all the bollox,but I answer like with like)

    I invoke the name of Henry………..Begone ye bigots………….leave this poor pensioner in peace.

    For surely,doth it not say,SUFFER THE LITTLE CHILDREN ?? 🙁

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Did you get all that from wikipedia?

  • tacapall

    Theres bad apples in every barrel, heres some of the minions of the head of the church of england. So can we expect protests outside buckingham palace.

    A Freedom of Information request to Home Office by Derek Canning LLB [HONS] and Francis.P.


    Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell – Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.

    Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who’s job includes running the Tory GLA website. Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn. He is currently suspended while the Police investigation continues.

    Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner – Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

    Tory Party Councillor (Folkestone – in Leader, Michael Howard’s constituency), Robert Richdale – 41 year history of crime, involving 30 convictions and 5 prison sentences. Richdales enormous criminal record, which covers 10 pages of A4 paper, includes convictions for assault, theft, causing death by dangerous driving, forgery, drugs offences, possession of an offensive weapon, and sex attacks against underage schoolgirls. The Tory Party election campaign literature described Richdale as “a family man” who had a “compassionate personality”

    Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys – Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

    Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington – Convicted of downloading hardcore child porn on his PC.

    Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn – Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

    Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

    .Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor – Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys.

    Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan – Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child porn.

    Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.

    Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding – Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

    Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy – Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

    Tory Party Councillor (Folkestone – in Leader, Michael Howard’s constituency), Robert Richdale – 41 year history of crime,

    Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green – Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault.

    Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding – Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

    Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman – Convicted and jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.

    Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate ( Sheffield ), Francis Butler- Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.

    Lib-Dem Councillor ( Stockport ) Neil Derbyshire – Sexually assaulted a 16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.

    Lib-Dem Councillor ( Preston ), Bill Chadwick – Charged with: Making an indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder, Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick’s gay lover – Alan Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.

  • mark

    You are a sick cun? !

  • mark

    heinzguderian – you are a sick cun?

  • The following gives a present day view and understanding of the experience of survivors of clergy abuse and the continuing cover up.

    Be shocked by the global estimates of the numbers of those sexually abused by Catholic clergy.

  • tacapall

    I agree, expose them all but dont be doing it with one eye closed

  • Neil

    Tacapall, that is astounding.

  • Yes – for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God…..

    … shameful as the above list is – none of them (that I am aware of) claim to be God on earth and the head of the ‘Whole’ Christian world and ruler ‘over princes and kings’ like the Pope.

    None of these peoples predecessors told their followers they could murder our queen or fund and support invasions or the assassination of our Kings or the blowing up of Parliament – and of couse I could go on forever.

    The differene with the Roman Catholic Church and it’s Pope is that if it is the ONLY , Holy Mother Church – why is it’s history so soaked in persuction and blood?

    Ceratinly not the Holy Church Jesus Christ had in mind.

  • Congal Claen

    I think that list is the first thing I’ve read on Slugger that has made my jaw drop. When you consider the amount of the c*nts that haven’t been caught it beggers belief at the scale of abuse. Un fucking believable!

  • Granni Trixie

    Let me make it clear that, if invited, I will not be meeting the Pope. This is because he and what he represents is meaningless to me.

    BUT – I accept that others would find it an honour, so I leave it to them to be happy to participate in the Popes visit.

    And – I find it very rich for Paisley who in the past demonstrated his sectarian views towards all Catholics (Roman Catholics, he insists, but I do not understand the significance) should use child abuse as his reason to object to the Pope. Infact I see many are appropriating this reason. What hypocrasy.

  • HeadTheBall


    I note that most of those on your list have been arrested/charged/imprisoned. Can you follow up with a list of priests so arrested/charged/imprisoned?

  • tacapall

    Head are you serious !! I would need a scientific calculator, but if we’re genuinely concerned about child abuse lets expose them all dont turn a blind eye to the governments 100 year D notice on allegations of child abuse by members of the british establishment who are still at large.

  • Will somebody please ask all those Catholics to stop praying urgently. My “Apology” Inbox is full.

    9 to the power of 654,123,456,456,321,568,125 gazillion and 1 prayers and still no answers from god

    Children sexually abused across the globe and still no answers from the pope

  • 9 to the power of 654,123,456,456,321,568,125 gazillion and 2 prayers and still no answers from god

  • tacapall

    Well done!

  • tacapall

    It does look, to say the least, a bit like a ‘club’, but notwithstanding the ones you have named there is still no actual evidence it goes higher up.

    Be careful what you put to paper, but most of all: Well done, again!