Same but Different?

Have seen this high-lighted elsewhere, but very similar stories seem to be reported in very different manners, what is immediately called a  “Hate Crime”  when it concerns a RC Church, is merely “investigating motives” when it comes to attacks on Rasharkin Orange Hall,  and the contrast between the reporting of the two incidents below is quite stark from the headline down.

Maybe it is the usual “whataboutery” and normally I take these things with a pinch of salt, but it is a widespread opinion of the Unionist community that attacks on their community and culture are downplayed, and these two articles seem to bear it out.

BBC News Website – 26 July 2010 Last updated at 17:18

Paint bombs thrown at Orange hall

An Orange hall in Belfast has been paint bombed overnight. Damage was caused to the front of the building on Clifton Street.

Senior Belfast Orangeman and Deputy Lord Mayor, William Humphrey, condemned the attack.

“This is clearly an attempt to escalate tension in Belfast and is an attack on the Orange culture,” he said.

“The people who are behind this sort of attack have nothing to offer this community, except division.

“People of different cultures should be able to enjoy their traditions without being subjected to any form of attack,” Mr Humphrey added.

“This is one of the city’s historic landmark buildings but has been targetted once again by people who do not seem to care about anyone’s history.”

BB C News Website – 1 August 2010 Last updated at 17:26

Paint Thrown at Our Ladys Church in Harryville

Paint was thrown over the steps and front door of Our Lady’s in Harryville on Saturday night. Police have said it is being treated as a hate crime.

The church has been the targets of vandals over many years. For a period in the 1990s, loyalists held weekly protests while Mass was being held.

Father Patrick Delargy said it was becoming a daily event for something to be thrown at the church.

“It’s as much an irritation as much as anything else because it’s one in a series of disturbances here round the church which have begun just before the twelfth of July.

“Almost every day there has been something thrown at the church or at the house.

“But this is the first time we’ve actually had anything straight on the church as far as the paint is concerned.”

SDLP North Antrim MLA Declan O’Loan said: “Thankfully, it was not a serious incident but it was an unfortunate incident and one that is disappointing considering Ballymena has had a quiet summer when compared with other places.”

Sinn Fein’s Daithí McKay added: “Attacks on churches of all types are mindless and abhorrent and it is very sad that in this day and age Catholic churches in the Ballymena area are still being singled out as targets.”

Note- the Harryville report also include a video piece, whereas I havn’t found one of Clifton Street Orange Hall, also “daily attacks” became “almost every day” within a paragraph, which is it? finally if these  “attacks” did not actually start on the 12th of July itself, why mention that date other than to link it to Orange celebrations?

  • JCW

    I don’t want to sound like I am minimising your concern but there is a distinction between a church and what is essentially a club house. An attack on a church is specifically against a religion whereas people who might attack the Orange Order would not attack the protestant religion.

    I don’t like the Orange Order but I do like many, many protestants.

  • Brotcha Gol Yore

    Does this not seem quite petty Drumlins?

    “This one had a video piece, this one didn’t! *Shock, horror*”.

    I kinda of miss the political and opinionated stuff you used to write, without the smallness and clear “summer boredom”. There’s quite a lot going on right up your street!

    Finally, these attacks happen almost daily throughout the north, on and from both sides; it’s time we ask BBC Newsline (&BBC online!) about our economy and the ramifications of London policy changes on NI rather than stories that fill their overly-refreshed RSS feeds.

    Another odd idea… how about a positive story about NI?

    Coinnigh slán, a chara,
    BGY

  • It is clear from the first three lines of the second article that there is a clear difference in how these are being reported. the second article reads like the relevant authorities are taking the matter more seriously.

    I can only hope that this is down to individual reporting methods rather than treating one more favourably than the other.

  • Hard hat

    The media’s reporting of these incidents is generally a reflection of what the PSNI’s press office says in its media briefings. Greencastle Orange Hall in North Belfast is attacked so routinely now that PSNI rarely mentions it and, as anyone passing it will see, its members appear to have given up on repairing the damage. Paint bomb attacks have become the acceptable norm there.

  • BR

    A Roman Catholic church and an Orange Hall are completely different things, and not on a parallel. It is impossible to know whether the attackers had an anti-Protestant motive at that stage, or anti-Unionist or anti-British. With the Catholic church attack, it is far more clearcut and the motives can easily be seen as anti-Catholic, rather than particularly political.

    All this is is just another desperate attempt by Unionist Protestants to make themselves out to be the underdog in the north.

  • USA

    Just let yourself down with this post Drumlin. You have got to see past the “themuns” and “whataboutery”. As Daithi McKay rightly points out “attacks on churches of all types are mindless and abhorrent”, focus on the criminals Drumlin, don’t view a newspaper report or a police statement as a victory for “themuns”.
    Shame, shame, shame.

  • Kathy C

    there is a HUGE difference between an attack on a hall…a place where people gather and an attack on a Church. An orange hall can be seen as similiar to a Knights of Columbus Hall….but a Church whether it be Catholic or protestant is a house of worship…. It is a big difference.

    More emphasis in the media should be placed on an attack on a Church.

  • To me, as a nationalist, it shouldn’t be a matter of how it is reported. An attack on a church or orange hall is an attack on all of us who want the culture of both tribes to be allowed to flourish in a spirit of mutual respect. The victims of an attack of an orange hall aren’t just protestants/loyalists/unionists etc. The victims of an attack on a catholic church aren’t just RCs. They’re every single one of us who want to consign tribal/sectarian attacks to the history books and move forward as a society.

  • lamhdearg

    Its the same with attacks on people, I have been pointing this out for years (to people i know) but i have never worked out if it is the psni or the editors in the media that are deliberately playing down the fact that irish nationlist attacks on non irish nationlist are sectarian.

  • Alan Maskey

    BBC picks stories it has videos on. These are not necessarily the most important but the ones they have videos for. The rest of your comparisons fal for similar reasons, some of which have alredady been pointed out.
    The Catholics attending Harryville Church have been subject to some of the most despicable bullying tactics imaginable. That rugby internationals and other stalwarts of the Protestant community would deem it acceptable to bully old ladies speaks all that needs to be said about them and their community.
    Harryville also evokes Holy Cross, where the Protestants also did compare and contrast methods to mitigate their own vileness.

  • Cynic

    So its just a racist attack then and still a hate crime but PSNI dont seem to treat it as such

  • Cynic

    I dont think Drumlin has let himself down on this one.

    The fundamental issue is the political representation. Clearly PSNI are treating the two issues differently – so why? Answer is simple – they are under pressure from Nationalist politicians but not unionists. In short Nationalists tend to hold them to account. Many unionists don’t both – even those on the Policing Board.

    Has anyone looked lately at the attendance rates at the Policing Board? If the Unionists turn up, do they always stay for all of the Committee meetings?

    Time for an elected Police Commissioner (or even 2).

  • Cynic

    “BBC picks stories it has videos on.”

    I agree its all despicable and vile and racist but your argument is specious Alan – and I suspect that you know it.

  • circles

    racist? Would that be against the Orange race?

  • circles

    i’m still wondering what you imagine “racist” means cynic.

  • Alan Maskey

    No it is not Cynic. Let’s get the BBC thing out of the way first:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/:Here is today’s main news age: videos on abandoned dogs, street salsa dancing and sacred sites in S Africa. None of this is newsworthy but they have videos on them. Also, a news outlet must spike stories: it decides what to carry and to dump or spike the rest.

    NI section today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/northern_ireland/ Harryville and Gay Pride get equal video billing but Gay Pride also has a spot lower down. Why not equal time for Ian Paisley mouthing in church? Coz a Gay Pride march is a story and Paisley does his thing every week, and they have videos for the gay chappies.

    As well as seeing that awful West Belfast MP, I also saw this:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10820572

    a video on an Ulster Scots summer school. (but none for Irish Gaelic, which happens all the time) Nelson McCausland (no coincidence) is also interviewed. But this is there co0z it is a story and I am sure Nelson knew that before he tipped off his BBC mates.

    So Cynic, you are wrong there. What, incidentally, did you think of the Harryville/Holy Cross attacks? Ulster’s finest moment?

  • Chris Donnelly

    I certainly would hope it isn’t “a widespread opinion” within unionism. Indeed, as Mick pointed out on a thread yesterday, making assertions on behalf of a community can be dubious business.

    This really is petty whataboutery, Drumlin, without foundation as well. Just look at the (quite correct) reporting of attacks on protestant church properties, Loyalist Halls and interface attacks over recent weeks.

    What is more depressing is your default resort to the defensive stance upon hearing news of an attack on Harryville Catholic Church.

    Such attacks are reported in different ways all of the time, with motives often ‘being investigated’ when the target/ victim is a person or building identified as being nationalist or catholic.

    I would know of a number of sectarian attacks that don’t even make the headlines though the damages inflicted upon the victims was considerably worse than paint thrown on a hall or church. Wouldn’t attribute that to an agenda, just the unwillingness of some individuals to report such incidents.

    Fr Delargy has remarked in today’s Irish News that his church in Harryville has been the target of attacks ‘every day’ since the Twelfth of July. I’d suggest that would be a more pertinent aspect of this case worth blogging about.

  • McKavanaghs

    I was wondering that myself.

  • I suggest we just shut the lot of em.

    A place of worship has often been a place of fermenting and stirring hatred.and when you think about it all of them are discriminatory before they even open the doors.

  • ulstergeordie

    Alan Maskey, there is a big difference between “bullying old ladies” and killing an elderly defenceless couple crossing the border into Northern Ireland in April 1987 (Justice Maurice Gibson and his wife)

    This arguement is an example of what is happening in Northern Ireland, Protestants are daubed “bigots” and “intolerant” and the foot of blame is left there. We are not being petty as described by one poster here, this is reality, should a loyalist speak their mind, they are daubbed intollerant, but when a republican does it, its “we are entitled to because of the oppression we put up with for hundreds of years”. This is shameful, what ever happened to levelled debate? It does not happen in Northern Ireland and the media does not allow us to do this. You only have to look at the Ardoyne Riots a couple of weeks ago, if you read the news, you would believe that it was the loyal order who were to blame!!! rather than imported hooligans from 30 miles away showing off to their molls.

    If a chapel has a small tin of paint thrown at it, it “a hate crime” and “sectarian violence”, but when Rev George Walkers statue or an orange hall is attacked its “vandalism”. The people who are trying to defend a difference between the two are wrong. What about instances where there have been people in the Orange Halls when they have been petrol bombed? Should they have been killed would it still be classed as simply “Vandalism” because it was not a place of worship?

    Cast your minds back to November 1983 and the Darkley Gospel Hall massacre. Again, a big difference to what Alan Maskey is talking about and “bullying old ladies” in Harryville.

    We should have a voice and this debate is an example of the bias which we are up against.

  • JimRoche

    The common denominator appears to be that nobody was caught and should tat not be the first other of business. Motive should be of interest to the investigation as a means to the end of catching the vandals.

    Are the police, the press and the rest of us now more interested in defining a crime rather than solving it?

  • Cynic

    Racism

    “hatred or intolerance of another race or other races, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others”

    Racism is now so generally reviled that in NI we often dress up these attacks (from whatever side) as ‘sectarianism’ on the basis that they are somehow less serious than racist attacks

    But the basis of the two sets of beliefs is just the same. Each side believes it is essentially a different racial group – one the true Irish (myth fostered by the Republican side) and the other the plucky Ulster Scots so beloved of the DUP. The Irish see the Ulster Scots as interlopers who have occupied their land. The Ulster Scots see themselves as having settled and civilised Ulster to preserve it from the Irish.

    Both of these are myths – we are all the one race and the genetic inheritance shows that – but that’s not what many of the troglodytes who mount these attacks believe. They are attacking ‘themuns’. Religion is a factor but its often mainly a convenient label.

    So at heart I believe this conflict is racist in origin but neither side wants to admit (or consider that) because it would damage carefully nurtured myths. By hiding behind the S word we can pretend that this is somehow different and less bad than racism – but it aint.

  • ulstergeordie

    Well said Cynic, a very good point and well made.

  • Drumlin Rock

    I was unsure what response I was going to get by posting this, I was both dreading and hoping that I would have been proved wrong and these incidents are treated equally by media, police and the community. Instead it seems most nationalists commentators have chosen to downplay the attacks on halls, and treating them as a much lesser crime.
    Although I’m not very keen on the term “Hate Crime” If it is to be used by the police then it must be used across the board or not at all.

  • Drumlin Rock

    shall we also shut every pub, sports ground, council chamber, school? have witnessed much more hared in them than in any church or hall.

  • Drumlin Rock

    Will try to do a positive one next BGY, you know the old story “everything is fine and everyone is happy” isnt news, 🙂
    In some ways I agree it is petty, and it was a last minute Midnight post as you can see, but I saw it appear on several facebook pages yesterday and it does reflect a view I have heard often, normally I ignore it, but this time it just seemed too obvious.

  • Damian O’Loan

    DR,

    I quite agree with you that the response is disappointing. Your two examples don’t in themselves constitute evidence of a problem, but I would be interested in seeing more analysis. If there is a perception of discrimination, that alone is a problem.

    If I can offer some reassurance, hate crimes across the board are judged according to the victim’s perception. Therefore, it is important that these kind of events are reported as such. It’s my understanding that there is an a priori assumption that Orange hall attacks are hate crimes.

    The distinction between Churches and other buildings which represent a religion is misplaced. The hate crime is not against God, but against the people of a particular identity on the basis of that identity alone.

    You could also detail whether you consider any discrimination to be on behalf of the media, in its representation, or the police itself. Given the seriousness of your allegation, I do think you need to provide more supporting evidence. Without wishing to seem unconcerned, I do think you’ll find a little more statistical research reassuring.

    Then you could look at prosecutions, where there could be an alternative discrimination. Given the PSNI has oversight, but the PPS none.

  • Not picking holes, Drumlin, but there is no statement regarding the PSNI in the first piece (on Clifton St Orange Hall) so it does not indicate either way whether they believe it a ‘hate crime’ (isn’t that so Orwellian?) or not.
    I’ve stopped getting bothered about how things are reported since I suspect it’s purely down to the standard of journalism rather than some broader agenda of minimizing or maximizing different events. The most notable quot in a news story is actually (and sadly) ‘…do not believe it is sectarian…’ – on past experience here most attacks like this tend to be purely sectarian and a statement to the contrary is more significant.

  • ulstergeordie

    Alan, you don’t seem to be to be watching the same BBC websitem maybe there is a special one for your part of the world, but we know that not to be the case.

    Your arguement does not seem to make any logical point.

    If you look at the local news section, under the title Northern Ireland, there is one main headline on the Higgins funeral, then 3 sub headlines, followed by 8 further items of news including the paint incident in Ballymena. To find any reference to the sectarian vandalism of the Revrend Walkers statue you have to go to the Foyle section which in itself is hard to hard.

    You refer to Harryville being in the video section, the still image used in itself backs our point; the media coverage is biased. If you look at it you wll see the front of the chapel with a Union Jack in the frame…giving the image to viewers that the the chapel is being attacked because of its location and it is makes no secret that it was nasty loyalists.

    So, i think this backs both Cynic and Drumlin’s points.

    Holy Cross and Harryville where not this countrys finest moments but the press coverage did paint a very one sided view of Holy Cross, the events which led to the crisizs were never mentioned and still remain unmentioned to this day. I am not defending what happened in either case, but it is not always as clear as the media paints it. (no pun intended)

  • Nordie Northsider

    This is like a Mark McGregor post, but from his Orange alter-ego.

  • ulstergeordie

    John that is a very good point regarding the standard of journalism. It is being demonstrated at every level these days, local, national news, local papers, national broadsheets, the quality of journalism is definately on the wane. Some might say that the words quality and jounalism do not go hand in hand anyway!

  • Drumlin Rock

    Thanks Damian & John for seeing past the “whataboutery”, I think it was the “Hate Crime” label that bugs me most, you put it well John saying it is “orwellian” and sounds much more serious than sectarianism, homophobia, racism or whatever other isms it is supposed to cover, the “investigating motives” is also used too often where very little investigation is needed. I guess the questions is have either labels been applied unequally? as is the perception I have often heard, I’m not sure how you carry out such “stastistical research” Damian, but it could be useful to either support or debunk this “perception”.

  • Drumlin Rock

    I knew that allegation would come up when I wrote it!
    someone has too, its Northern Ireland, everything has to be balanced, even the whataboutery.

  • Damian O’Loan

    I would start with the PSNI crime stats books, and the PPS annual reports, then you may be able to look at individual Orange Halls to see if any crime is going unreported. You could talk to interface groups as well.

    As I say though, I do think you would find it reassuring, but I’d be very interested in anything you found.

  • PSNI website: Sectarian hate crime is defined as any incident perceived, by the victim or any other person, as being sectarian.

    This would appear to be a subjective assessment: it may be accurate or it may reflect the prejudice of the accuser. The PSNI is also keen to point out that its related statistics aren’t ‘quality assured’.

    I’m puzzled by the description of a brutal attack where a victim is left for dead as ‘not believed to be sectarian/hate related’. Surely the nature of the attack is more important than the supposed motivation.

  • Framer

    It is noticeable that the BBC extensively reports on its website attacks on Catholics and nationalists while incidents recorded in the News Letter about attacks on Protestants and unionists frequently don’t make it to the website.

    The incessant attacks on Protestants in the Fountain estate are rarely reported. And they occur despite double protective fencing about 30 feet high.

  • Alan Maskey

    Have the members of the Orange Order lodge mentioned suffered the same, systematic, prolonged intimidation that the Harryville church goers got?

    Can Roman Catholics wander into Orange halls and look around the way all and sundry can wander into churches that are not under siege?

    Have Harryville’s congregation engaged in provocative marches the way orange lodges do?
    Finally, how many Unionists scour the media trying to find instances where they can paint themselves as victims? Ranger, for example, keeps track (via Google alerts?) on GAA related stories,

  • slug

    I think the attackers in both cases are loathesome and have similar motives and outlooks – both attackers are sectarian.

  • Drumlin Rock

    Last year a meeting of Orangmen in Clifton Street Orange Hall was petrol bombed, that enough intimidation for you?

    Most Orange halls have to be protected because the majority have been attacked at one time or another, and there is no reason to keep them open during the day, however most pubic events are open to anyone to attend, including Catholics. If you want to have a look round my hall give me a shout!

    But sure its all our own fault because of a few controversial marches…

  • Cynic

    Do grow up. Harryville was appalling, disgraceful and those responsible should be locked up? Satisfied now or still trapped in your own ideological ghetto?

  • Cynic

    …and racist

  • DR

    Pubs, councils, schools, etc dont start out that way, whereas every church, orange hall, etc does.

    I’m glad you posted this, because what it really shows is both sides are exactly the same. You really could not get a hair between them.

  • Alan Maskey

    Drumlins Rock: Do you know of instances where Orange halls are open to community events such as Irish language classes, or events that might attract a sizable RC contingent?

  • ulstergeordie

    Alan, i think you will find that when an Orange Hall accessing social funding, part of the conditions are that Halls would be “open” to everyone.

    I think you should check your facts, so much so in fact I believe that an Orange Hall in South Belfast has been open to the wider public for events and tours in the past couple of months.

  • Sam

    Well said.

  • Sam

    ‘BBC picks stories it has videos on’; …well obviously. The question is; Why does the BBC choose one over another?
    You appear to throw accusations around like a neanderthal throws paint.
    Have a good long look in the mirror, maybe vileness is a bit closer to home than you think…

    PS. Are attacks on Protestant culture now so common, expected and officially tolerated that they no longer merit comment? Does the heirarchy of victims not just refer to the past but extend into the future.
    PPS. ‘Their community’ ‘Their vileness’ …Do you ever think that one day we may be seen as different parts of ONE community…. It’s easy to lob insults over the fence; it’s much more difficult to accept our own shortcomings and try and be more tolerant towards other cultures…

  • Drumlin Rock

    Have heard of Irish dancing classes, that help? do they have lambeg drumming in Chapels?
    Religious services in Halls are open to everyone, some bands have RC members, and concerts, parties, dances etc. are open to whoever comes usually. The most common cross-community use however is usually playschools which are normally mixed.

  • Mark McGregor

    When the Slugger awards come up I’m requesting a comment of the year award just for this. Absolutely love t.

  • Neil

    Dude you just said yourself we are one race. How do white Christians be ‘racist’ against white Christians? It’s quite enough to be sectarian, which it actually is without trying to alter the meanings of words to get them to paint yourself as a victim.

  • Sam

    Alan,
    I have resisted replying to your uncharitable and rather predictable comments; until now.
    The lack of any sensible argument in your postings tends to undermine your credibility. It also points to your apparently limited ability to see anything positive in (as you see it) the other side or as most forward looking people see as another part of OUR one community.
    A little less pointy finger and a little more charity may help.
    Rant over…

  • Alan Maskey

    UlsterGeordie: I am only asking, not trying to point score. I doubt many GAA clubs use the local Orange hall for target practice or that many Masses are done there. I know a guy who applied to an Orange Hall to run Irish language classes there but he was more fool than knave.

  • Kathy C

    reading this again I noticed….

    reported that paint BOMBS where thrown at orange halls and

    paint was thrown at the Catholic Church.

    seems like the report makes the paint coming at the orange hall far more violent than the paint coming at the catholic church.

    ergo—thrower of paint at orange hall threw a bomb of paint…aka the irish are throwing bombs at orange hall

    thrower of paint at Catholic Church…threw just some paint

    Which one does the report make more violent–why the damage done to the orange hall

  • lamhdearg

    100% agree with that slug loathesome and sectarian, what i believe and drumlins seems to be pointing out is that in the first instances reports of attacts carryed out by non irish nationlists againist irish nationlist are discribed as sectarian where as when it’s the reverse it is more likely to be something along the lines of “the police are investagating a motive” or no comment on the reason is given, it may be that i and others are being hyper sensitive however i implore those of you that are open minded to listen closely to these reports on these loathesome attacts and then report again on the matter, no good will come of double standards.

  • Drumlin Rock

    do you feel honoured to have an alter ego mark? 🙂

  • Damian O’Loan

    DR,

    It struck me that if you’d like to present a convincing analysis of bias in the media, you could do worse for references that Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent, which adopts the same rigour the author applies to his other successes.

    Kathy C,

    Or maybe one used a paint-bomb (which I think we all know explodes with paint) and the other used a can of paint?

  • Drumlin Rock

    its probably technical Kathy, paint bombs are like water bombs, ie paint in a balloon that bursts on contact, whereas a paint attack can also be simply splashing paint out of a tin. Not sure which were used in either case.

  • lamhdearg

    Sorry for some of the English on my post.

  • Drumlin Rock

    Looked it up, there probably is a degree of this in the reporting ie. the Orange Order is even less PC than the Catholic Church and therefore reporters are less likely to stick their necks out for it, although I think John O’Neills comments earlier are pretty pertinent too, lazy journalism is increasingly common!

  • joeCanuck

    JCW,

    That is nonsense. DR’s contention is perfectly valid. There is no difference between vandalizing a church or a religion connected meeting place. It may be very difficult to convict on a hate crime since that would involve establishing motive, and we cannot get inside’s people’s minds. The DPP would have a better chance of convicting on straight property damage. They should, if they can find the alleged perpetrator’s.
    BTW, whatever happened to the SF activist who fell off an Orange Hall during an actual or attempted act of vandalism? Was he charged? If not, why not. If so, was he convicted and what was the sentence?

  • Greenflag

    ‘ lazy journalism is increasingly common!’

    This is true . They seem to build in that the blogosphere will correct them 😉

    As I understand it most orange halls provide a focal point for the local community and band practice for the youth during long dreary winter evenings . Attacking them is a direct assault on the culture and as such is to be deplored and condemned by all -ditto for the Harryville paint bombers .

    I suppose we can deduce that the vandals are unlikely to be loathsome atheists and are no doubt comforted by the fact of being of the one true faith as they hurl bombs or paint at the ‘ infidels ‘

    Brainless gobshites -thickos and morons and thats understated 🙁

  • Alan Maskey

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11043954

    Hard luck Blackpool today. The above link is a demo with very foul mouthed language by bussed in hard line RBL types against a woman who had a pee pee. Note the small size and advanced age of these protesters. This is a story because some feel outrage a woman had a pee pee and some sex, and because a camera crew was there.

    The same appplies in the six occupied counties. Unionists and BNP types should get over their phobias. They are not and cannot always be the centre of attention. Stories are often not made but created. TV crews cannot be outside every Orange hall. Harryville Church, like Holy Cross School, is and will be a story because of what our brothrs in Jesus did there to old ladies attnding mass, toddlers going to school and little childen going to bed to be incinerated for the night.

  • lamhdearg

    Alan there was a tv crew or six in rasharkin last night when a suspected bomb was found behind the orange hall, having read and heard reports of the incident on tv, radio and internet news i have not heard it decribed as sectarian, if it had been placed at a GAA ground i feel the S word would have been included, this is what this post was about double standards in reporting either by the police or media. ps i feel the S word is over used and misunderstood.

  • Alan Maskey

    What is your problem with the RBL? they represent ex army etc and each country has a right to support its army after a war/s. I don’t care whether it gets support or not, and surely that is the feeling of the majority of people. I have yet to hear you complain about the VA in America.

    The woman was either drunk or stupid or both, and as some drunk or stupid people do she made the kind of mistake which would offend old people anywhere, and which will certainly follow her for a very long time.

    I actually feel sorry for her, especially if her fame and face are plastered all over the papers. A pity you felt it necessary to comment on it.

  • Alan Maskey

    Lamhdearg: Bad news. You do not write the script. The BBC hacks do.
    Let us take another example. I am sure you remember the IRA attack on Frizell’s chip shop/UFF HQ. The media went on about it like it was another Hiroshima. The IRA attack, rightly or wrongly, was carried out because a whole pile of Taigs were getting stiffed in “random” attacks. There was nothing random about the Peruvian guy who was stalked all over Belfast by the UVF/UFF, whose supporters no doubt had a good day out in Rasharkin today.
    Yes, the S word is over used and mis understood – by people like you.

    Pippakin: The RBL were well out of line today and you should condemn them. I commented on it because a small group of old gunmen were able to get a S-T-O-R-Y out of it.

    And that is what this thread is about, Our Protestant Loyalist friends in Jesus are not satisfied unless they march every and anywhere and any encroachment on their Holy Order is treated like it is a major genocide conducted by armed members of the GAA, led and directed by Christ’s Vicar of Earth and well known Glasgow Celtic season ticket holder, His Holiness Benedict XV1.

  • lamhdearg

    What

  • Alan Maskey

    I have no problem with the RB apart from their ‘overheads’ and their connection to Haig. I try to understand the upset some people feel at seeing their monuments defiled. Im just wondering what the US would have done if a girl had done the same thing to one of their war memorials.

    It is important to remember these monuments mean something to people. In exactly the same way that our monuments mean something to us. If you lost a friend in a war or any other circumstance, you do not want to see some young idiot pissing all over his name.

    It has nothing to do with UI/British it is all about decent behaviour.

  • Big Maggie

    Kathy,

    You seem to be conflating two entities there. A Church with a capital C is a
    denomination; with a small c it’s a place of worship.

    I’m not being petty here. It’s just that it’s clearer if you differentiate between the two.

  • Alan Maskey

    Here is a link to the Lady apologising for her mistake.

    http://bit.ly/anhpQ3

    It is typical of some young people, and this sad lady is unlikely to be allowed to forget.