Call for Catholic Church to release Claudy information

Gregory Campbell has called on the Catholic Church to release any files it may have on the Claudy bombing. Campbell has pointed to the recent fact that Bishop Noel Treanor has called for an enquiry into the events of 1972 in Ballymurphy and has released the Church’s documents pertaining to that episode.

The Claudy bombing in 1972 resulted in 9 deaths including that of Kathyrn Eakin aged 9. The IRA has been widely blamed for the atrocity but has never admitted responsibility. A number of people have been arrested as recently as 2005 but no one was charged. In 2002 Father Chesney was publicly named as one of the murderers but at that time Bishop Edward Daly, told the BBC that Father Chesney had denied any involvement with the IRA “utterly, unequivocally, vehemently”. However, he did tell his superiors that he had “republican sympathies, very strong republican sympathies.” Whether this should be taken to imply that the Church carried out an investigation is unclear but there certainly is significant evidence to suggest that the Church knew of Chesney’s actions. It remains to be seen if the Church will be as forthcoming over Claudy as it seems to be being over Ballymurphy.

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  • Damian O’Loan

    Maybe the Apostolic Visitation can hide any blushes and keep us on the right path.

  • Alan Maskey

    Let’s hope a DUP mouth will next call for an enquiry into the Red Hand Commandoes and their links with the FPC.

    Bet he thinks the Pope or the Harryville parishioners were in on it. If he is still grieving after Claudy, maybe he should consider why Claudy happened. PIRA thought it would take the pressure off free Derry, where PIRA were led by an old buddy of the DUP.

    Whatever happened to Fr Fell btw? A sad case, like so many gays.

  • Drumlin Rock

    Turgon, was thinking of Claudy the moment I heard of the “secret documents” being released.

  • This sounds like Gergory mouthing off again in an attempt to pretend he’s still hardline

  • Drumlin Rock

    maybe, but often he says what a lot of unionists are already thinking, but dare not say it in public.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    Ah, Church investigations … those guys don’t leave a stone unturned.

    I heard through Co Tyrone connections about the death of Kathryn Eakin’s father last year. From the bombing until his death, he was a broken man, he never came to terms with it.

    To Republicans feeling like everyone’s against you: read about the atrocity your heroes carried out in Claudy and you may start to understand why.

    If those that suffer the most emerge victorious, then Claudy is one of the reasons Republicans lost in the end.

  • Alan Maskey

    Drumlin Rock says: maybe, but often he says what a lot of unionists are already thinking, but dare not say it in public.

    So they attack old ladies going into Harryville church and privately applaud those who kill harmless Catholics.

  • PJ_Maybe

    Indeed. Why are they unable to draw the distinction, the clear distinction any right minded person would make, between the actions of loyalist death squads motivated by sectarian hate, and the actions of the brave Irish Republican volunteers whose noble sacrifices and surgical actions against those either actively or passively denying our independence, paved the way for the freedoms we, as Irish men and women, now take for granted?
    If there was a sarcasm smilie, I’d using roundabout here.

  • Granni Trixie

    The Church,like any body or person ought to make public any relevant records which will help families and the wider community know the truth. This could contribute to our make-it up-as-you- go-along dealing-with-the-past process. Until they did so with the Ballymurphy case,I was not aware the Curch had these kind of records. On radio, Fr Tim Barlett gave v.credible explanation for this delay – priests who knew were dead,docs filed away with their effects etc. Whatever.

    However,I deplore GCs tit for tat,whataboutery ways. The state murdered the people in Ballymurphy,and in Claudy it was a paramilitary group. The former’s families had a cloud hanging over their heads,suspicion as to their ‘innocence’ status. But doesnt GC get it? There are no P and C deaths,all the families suffer and all of us are diminished. He ought to be giving a better lead.

    MU: you’ve said it all. So many broken people…and for nothing.

  • pinni

    Lots of red herrings floating around this post, I notice. Now, to get back to the issue, why is the Catholic church being so selective in its release of documents. Surely they are not opposed to shedding some light on Irish Republican violence.

    Or, is the church, once again, trying to protect one of its own?

  • Alan Maskey

    Pinni. You are asking rhetorical questions. If the State forces wish to find out more about Claudy, they have the means to do so.
    Catholic priests, such as Fr Fell, have done time. What of it?

    Ballymurphy was a massacre, one in a State sponsored series. Do you think the State should be held to account for that?
    PIRA had a bombing campaign and hundreds of brave men and women did time over it.
    For equiivalence, hundreds of Loyalists should be locked up and thousands more jailed for hate crimes. And thosewho have Google alerts on the GAA, Conradh na Gaeilge etc should probably also be hauled in.

    Do you, incidentally, approve of the State murder of Fr Griffin?.The GAA have a club called afte4r him and fair play to them.

    Claudy happened. Get over it. Or take it up with Gerry and Martin.

  • Drumlin Rock

    Granni, it is wrong to draw a line between state and paramilitary killings, espically in the case where the main paramilitary is now part of the state, virtually all the enquirys and calls for enquirys have focused on the 10% of state killings, some on the 30% loyalist but very little on the 60% republican killings, the RC church have now admitted they have secret records on the troubles, but have been selective in releasing them, I thing Gregory is right in calling for full disclosure.

  • Drumlin Rock

    ( I’m starting to think this guy is a troll, please don’t feed it )

  • PJ_Maybe

    Indeed there is no equivalence between state sponsored murder and the actions of patriots fighting for our freedom, who on occasion, and completely by chance, caused unfortunate collateral damage. Of course these collaterals would still be alive if they hadn’t been offering support to the colonial jackboot oppressing Irish freedom. So ultimately it is their own fault. And of course it is right and proper for the GAA to commemorate these heroic combatants in the ongoing struggle for our freedom. Our liberty has been hard fought, and was achieved as much by the swipe of a hurl, or brave priests who used the pulpit to protest, rather submit to the bigotry of the former unionist hegemony that poisoned this part of Ireland.

    Or something.

  • PJ_Maybe

    D R

    They are just using the Random Republican Doublespeak Generator (Under 3s)

  • Cynic

    Its simple. How does the church admit that one of its priests murdered 5 of his own parishioners and 4 of their neighbours and the Church then helped cover it up

    Collusion anyone?

  • Granni Trixie

    Have no lessons been learnt? When the families of people murdered by the state have the label of wrongdoer attributed to their loved one, this is an additional burden to bear. But it is one which can be put right to some extent by the state acknowleging this wrong (and doesnt cost a penny).

    And can anyone tell me what is ‘brave’ about planting bombs? How is this different to others in the world today who seek to influence by terrorism? Cowardice I call it. Also, what about the children neglected whilst they hung about with ‘comrades’ in jail? The next generation is paying the price of this immorality.

    The GAA is bigger and more diverse than those who want to commemorate terrorists.

  • Cynic

    Agree completely. The sad thing was that in some areas local GAA clubs were exploited by evil men to recruit youngsters into the IRA. Many of those children went on to kill their fellow citizens and be killed themselves.

    There were many equally bad things on the Prod side as well. Covering it all up does none of us any good.

  • madraj55

    Conquistador. Well after he caved in like his fellow snowmen over Policing and Justice transfer, Campbell only succeeds now in confirming why he’s widely derided. Everybody has switched him off mentally now, except the deluded bigots who vote for him.

  • madraj55

    pinni. I don’t know why the Church waited until now to release Ballymurphy documents, because they should have done this before Saville completed his report. I’m not sure if the relatives could have appeared as witnesses at the Bloody Sunday inquiry since the two incidents involved many of the same soldiers. the similarities between the Army’s justification after both these episodes to close to be coincidental

  • hoboroad

    One reason for supposing that Paisley and his supporters condone terrorism is that they have been unusually willing to conduct funerals for loyalist terrorists. William McCrea and Ivan Foster conducted funerals for Wesley Somerville and Horace Boyle, members of the notorious Portadown UVF cell led by Robin Jackson. Foster gave a graveside oration for Sinclair Johnston, a Larne UVF shot by the RUC during rioting in 1972. McCrea buried Benjamin Redfern, a UDA lifer who was crushed by a bin lorry while trying to escape from the Maze prison. Robert ‘Basher’ Bates, convicted of a number of vicious murders committed by Lenny Murphy’s ‘Shankill Butchers’ gang, was murdered by a loyalist in June 1997 and was buried by Free Presbyterian minister Alan Smylie. Smylie had come to know Bates through his prison chaplaincy work in the Maze. Roy Metcalfe, a Lurgan businessman who sold army surplus clothing and loyalist memorabilia, was murdered by the IRA in October 1989, purportedly because he was active in Ulster Resistance and the UVF. He was buried by Free Presbyterian minister David Creane. Revd David McIlveen buried UDA man Raymond Elder in 1994. When Billy Wright, the UVF man who founded the breakaway Loyalist Volunteer Front was buried, the Reverend John Gray conducted a short service outside his home. McCrea had previously been very public in defending Billy Wright when the UVF expelled him and threatened to murder him if he did not leave Northern Ireland.

  • pinni

    ‘One reason for supposing that Paisley and his supporters condone terrorism is that they have been unusually willing to conduct funerals for loyalist terrorists.’

    What ludicrous logic!

    Hoboroad, are you suggesting that all the priests who participated in republican funerals and CofI, Prebyterian, Methodist ministers etc who took part in loyalist funerals also condoned terrorism?

  • Alan Maskey

    Hoboroad, That is an informative post.
    Many Unionist pastors, maybe most, would have nothing to do with dead UVF/UFF etc heads. This would be a class thing as well as a revulsion of their methods.

    I guess the difference is these were high profile pastors. When Bobby Sands died, the mass was said by the local parish priest, Fr Mullan, who denounced violence. I guess you would have to go back to the Black and Tan war to find a bishop saying a mass over an IRA stiff.
    {Sands is, of course, an international icon. St Etienne, one of the posters here, will probably know that his home town of St Etienne has a street called after the great man.}

    In the interests of balance, I named a priest, Fr Fell, convicted of IRA offences during the Troubles and one, Fr Griffin, who was killed (or murdered if you prefer) because of his Republican sympathies. In response, Drumlins Rock refers to me (presumably) as it.

    That is part of the problem . Unionists were reared to believe we were non humans. And so Basher Bates treated RCs worse than animals. Hard to trust them after that.

    Not all Unionists or even DUP GAA watchers would go as far as Basher. But they still feel the threat: Popery, the GAA, Croppies who won’t lie down when bid to.

    They have to look for equivalence. Find something that distracts from Harryville and Holy Cross, find something that justifies Orange hooligans strutting along all of the Queen’s many highways, dig up something from Co Derry more than three decades ago to negate Britain’s squads, who work away in Iraq and other places to this day.

    The IRA did many bad things and things their (current) leaders should be held accountable for. But the Google Alert, Romewatch way of the DUP is not the way to do it.

  • Skintown Lad

    Agreed, what a load of rubbish. Hoboraod appears to have done a lot of research on a completely baseless premise

  • Skintown Lad

    You’re not even coherent anymore. COULD DO BETTER

  • hoboroad
  • ulstergeordie

    Maskey, what is brave about sitting behind a hedge and flicking the switch on a remote control bomb? Very brave.

    “Claudy happened. Get over it”. Maybe the same logic should apply to what happened in Ballymurphy…”GET OVER IT”!

  • Alan Maskey

    http://www.irish-association.org/archives/stevebruce11_oct03.html

    Instructive article that, even if it predictably misses the mark a lot. It is a pity these underlying British Israelite type threads that guide some members of the DUP and some of the Harryville protesters are not more fully examined.

    Catholics, imbued with ideas of confession tend, I think, to be more reflective, something that does not sit easily with British Israelites.

  • fp veritas

    He(James Chesney)died in 198 0but the police reviewof the evidence has now confirmed that a priest was a member of the IRA and was involved

    “Kevin Connolly” BBC News 23/12/2002

  • Sam

    Alan,
    as someone who has talked enough nonsense in my younger days, but has struggled to study, listen and learn more about or history etc I must say that the incoherent rubbish you spout is almost amusing in its idiocy.
    It is also very sad that your only contribution to the debate is random sectarian vitriol.

  • HeinzGuderian

    🙂 🙂 🙂 If this is the best nat/reps can do……….the Union,is indeed,safe !!! 🙂

  • On the whole Im against these historical investigations. It seems to me, with the exception of Saville, they do more harm than good.

    But IMO any investigation into the Churches is an excellent idea and should be encouraged and even demanded.

    What right does some self righteous edjit of a priest/vicar have to hang on to important information or evidence of a crime. Of course everyone now knows this is something the RCC did habitually and few doubt the protestant church was much, if any, better.

    It is beginning to look like interference in the running of the state, not just in the south but in the north too, which sounds a lot like they wanted to have their cake and eat it.

  • sammymehaffey

    Now don’t be silly Alan. There are thugs and mindless idiots on both sidea of the fence and those who you refer to are a disgrace to both protestants and unionists.

  • Alan Maskey

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/northern_ireland/newsid_8772000/8772795.stm SDLP man calls for Paisley to cough up what he knows about the Reavey slaughter. Paisley should be pulled in over this
    Bradley is talking about Protestant people very well known to the security forces.

    Bradley also mentions the execution of Protestants which followed these attacks.
    Worth a listen.

  • Drumlin Rock

    Hobo, maybe you should include the next sentence of the report you stole this information from “That conducting funerals signifies support for the actions of the dead is not a terribly persuasive argument. By the same token the Catholic Church would be guilty of supporting republican violence. After all, almost every republican terrorist has been buried by the Church and the Maze hunger strikers were given the last rites despite being unrepentant killers and active suicides.”

  • Mountainey Man

    Have you any evidence for that sweeping statement about GAA clubs being used to recruit provos Cynic?

    Maybe chip shops were used as well, or any other place where people gather.

  • vanhelsing

    PJ,

    Ah I see you a mate of Maskeys. Just so you don’t propagate your sectarian hatred in here without people calling you on your mindless ramblings…

    ‘and the actions of the brave Irish Republican volunteers whose noble sacrifices and surgical actions against those either actively or passively denying our independence,’

    I could take the whole sentence apart but don’t have time,

    Omagh Bombing – nine children and a woman pregnant with baby twins

    Shankill bomb – 7 civilians and another two children – oh and begley:)

    btw (you) murdered some of ‘your own’ during the Omagh bomb – those people crying for independence..

  • vanhelsing

    DR of course he’s a troll

    ps who would birth a bigoted troll:)

  • vanhelsing

    If unionists at the belmont bowling club knew there were people like maskey around we’d add on 15% on the vote:)

    Maybe we should start some information dissemination:)

  • vanhelsing

    Getting back to the original thread by Turgon – of course the Church should open up it’s records if it can add any light to the Claudy Massacre…

  • Serious question:

    Was Dennis Bradley once a priest?

  • Peter Fyfe

    The question here isn’t about what the difference is between state forces and paramilitaries when it comes to murder. The difference that should be highlighted is between a church and the security forces. The church is there to provide moral and religious guidance not to investigate crimes that may have been committed. That was the job of the RUC, maybe Gregory should take his beef up with the forces of the state that would have been involved in any cover up had it happened. Though I can not imagine the British State, we all love so much, could have ignored the murder of a child, could it? Why does Gregory get away with whataboutery anyway? I didn’t think it was allowed.

  • Peter Fyfe

    VH

    You are completely right, the church should of course open any records it has relating to the situation because the families deserve to know, though I won’t be holding my breath for the British army to do the same about Ballymurphy. He didn’t even seem too concerned with them killings in his statement. I should point out that is not whataboutery as Gregory’s statement came in response to the church releasing their records on Ballymurphy.

  • Peter Fyfe

    The church is there to provide moral and religious guidance not to investigate crimes that may have been committed.

    What has that to do with the price of eggs?

    The allegation is a bent (another one) priest assisted in the murder of people, that this may have been discovered by the church and information leading to the arrest of the pervert was withheld.

    It makes no real difference whether the priest was catholic or protestant. Such crimes may have been committed by both sides. It makes little difference if the Brits knew. If the evidence had been forthcoming subsequent publicity would have ensured a trial took place. If any priest/vicar has information regarding a crime they should/must report it.

  • Alan Maskey

    Serious answer: Yes Dennis Bradley was once a priest and no, the dissident whackos should not have attacked him.

    He spoke well about the Reavey killings and some of the Unionists actually spoke like humans; the Sinners were mixed. Campbell’s rant is because Mrs Reavey, aged 88, has asked Paisley to apologize for smearing her son under Parliamentary privilege.

    The Reaveys were killed by the infamous FPC linked Glenane gang.

  • sammymehaffey

    Pippa I am beginning to respect you.

    Has anyone considered that there may not have been any brit army in Norn Iron if the unemployable hadn’t bcome freedom fighters when they eventually got out of bed?

  • vanhelsing

    correct ^^

  • John East Belfast

    Peter

    “The church is there to provide moral and religious guidance not to investigate crimes that may have been committed”

    I think justice is very much in the domain of “moral and religious guidance”

  • sammymehaffey

    Im checking what you say for irony, with a magnifying glass!

    The unemployable were on both sides, scum always rises to the surface.

  • Alan Maskey

    At least one of the IRA hunger strikers went on to be a multi millionaire. Ray McCreesh was a postman.Bobby Sands was an apprentice coach-builder until he was forced out at gunpoint. Francis Hughes was an apprentice painter and decorator. Micky Devine worked in a number of Derry shops. And so on.

  • Alan Maskey

    Thank you, I wanted to be sure. Now was this expriest, the expriest of Martin McGuinness?

  • sammymehaffey

    They were all real people with a driven faith. I was talking about the hangers on, the funeral attenders, the great unwashed stone throwers and petrol bombers.

  • Peter Fyfe

    The alleged story surrounding this is that Britain knew of this allegation and did not pursue it while cutting a deal with the church to let him go. The church interviewed him then released a statement saying he denied involvement. Why should the church be held to a higher account than those tasked with the duty to uphold law and order and pursue cases? They are not the police or the system that has been devised to uphold the law which I don’t think any reasonable person would want them to be. I know your not a fan of the church but they are not be blamed for everybody’s balls ups. What value would their reports be anyway in a court of law? Will we see prosecutions from last week resulting from there files on Ballymurphy? Some how I doubt it.

  • Peter Fyfe

    What legal significance will the church’s papers have? Can prosecutions be brought about due to church files? I can’t see it somehow so once again the forces who were there to investigate did not do there job and gather the appropriate evidence. What justice are you expecting? If it is just the truth I would point you to my point at 6 43 that was posted before you posted. If you are looking prosecutions on church papers, I guess you will be waiting a while.

  • Alan Maskey

    Tried to get it failed. Dont think its a problem with the link, more likely to be my lousy B/B.

  • Peter Fyfe

    I also posted marginally before you that they should still tell the truth, I am however questioning how a church can bring about prosecutions? It may have nothing to do with the price of eggs but the distinction of who’s task it is to have the power to uphold the law in any society is quite important. As a democrat I would like that to be the the job of the state’s police and Judiciary.

  • Peter Fyfe

    Surely whether or not charges arose from the church files would depend on the contents of said files.

    No, Im not a fan of any church. Mind, Im not that keen on the Brits in power during the troubles either.

    For me this is pretty much par for the church and it is not acceptable.

  • Peter Fyfe

    I dont clock watch Im aware the Brits of the time (no pun intended) might have made use of evidence for their own ends, which is why I said ‘subsequent publicity would have ensured a trial’.

  • sammymehaffey

    No pippa…. i was worried about you earlier but now I think you and I could agree on some things.

  • sammymehaffey

    I suppose none of us are single layered people.

  • PJ_Maybe

    vanhelsing

    I think you missed the caveat I added to my little “rant” that last “If there was a sarcasm smilie, I’d using roundabout here”

    Holding a mirror up to the individuals who believe this nonsense, in my view, demonstrates the hollowness of their well rehearsed rhetoric. And how, by it’s use, they attempt to dress the unjustifiable as justifiable.

    Sorry you missed that.

  • PJ_Maybe

    Admittedly if I’d written “I’d be using it roundabout here” it probably would have been clearer.

    Damn my dyslexia.

  • sliabhdubh

    As a relative of two of the murder victims,butcherd during the Ballymurphy massacre,I think its very important for the relatives,to get answers from the Brits,no weapons were found,yet they were all described as terrorists.Some did not even have clothes are belongings returned,relatives were jeered at and mocked.The Ballymurphy Massacre relatives are dignified,do not want monetary gain,just an apology,and the clearing of thier loved ones good names.Gregory Campbell is selective in his calls for justice,the man is a bigot.The files released by the Catholic church can be read at Saint Marys college Falls Road,they are nothing special,and in most cases old information.I agree if the Church as files relating to the atrocity at Claudy the should be released,in the pursuit of justice,not whataboutry,which is Gregorys main pursuit.

  • lamhdearg

    i got it, damm is i dyslexic too.

  • RepublicanStones

    Im all for the Church opening its files on everything. Im all for clear (non-redacted) and independent investigations into everything. Now, just waiting on Gregory to demand Whitehall and Thames House etc open up all their files on the escapades and policies pioneered by Kitson, Kerr et al, lets have Stalker published in full as well. Anyone disagree?

  • Not a bit, well said, but proviso: I would prefer they open the files on child abuse first. Im sure they are locked up tight.

  • lamhdearg

    31 people murdered (cain) in august 1971.

  • Peter Fyfe

    Why do you think any jury would believe the church’s interviews or papers? Yes it is a piece of evidence, just not a very strong one. I have stated a couple of times now in the interests of the truth they should be released. My issue with Gregory highlighting this to deflect from the murders in Ballymurphy is that it is nothing but poor whataboutery. He should be tackling those that were tasked with upholding the law and failed to do so for whatever reason. A side deal would be no surprise to many. But I guess bashing the church would appeal to his electorate while actually trying to look at the structures that were responsible for not pursuing the case might hurt their heads. They might even realise the british didn’t really care if a few of them died or not.

    In short my point really is why does Gregory not call for all government files and church files on both instances be released to those it may concern? Surely that will be the best way to find out what happened on both occasions?

  • Peter Fyfe

    Im prepared to give GC the benefit of the doubt because it is an important issue, but for the rest: I agree but no Church should hold the papers back in the first place.

  • Alan Maskey

    Pippakin says: Thank you, I wanted to be sure. Now was this expriest, the expriest of Martin McGuinness?

    He was not McGuinness’ priest. He was his own man. The SDLP are the only party with no blood on their hands. Bradley did set up meetings between MI6 and McGuinness but so what?

    Anyway, can we say good night to Campbell’s old red herring? Let the “forces of law and order” drag Paisley in and make him apologize not only for his abuses of parliamentary privileges but for his role as demagogue exrraordinaire.

  • Big Maggie

    I believe that this post shows why we ought to try to be nice to one another.

    Difficult I know but not impossible. How about if Protestant and Catholic in Northern Ireland conceded the general dourness of the society here and tried to do something about it?

    It would go a long way towards reconciliation and would possibly raise awareness of the fact that most people here are a long way up their own arses. I’d say “lighten up” except I doubt if many Ulstermen and -women would understand me.

    Here’s a start: take your cue from the foreign workers here and ….smile.

  • Alan Maskey

    Completely agree about Paisley, but juries out on Campbell. Claudy is important and perhaps he was genuine.

    As for Bradley. I have little respect for priests/vicars and none for those who would turn a blind eye to murder. The Bradley career change means little to me.

  • Granni Trixie

    Fr Hugh Mullan was one of those murdered in Ballymurphy when he went to someones aid (holding up a white handkerchief). I know him because he was a chaplain to the Sacred Heart Home when I lived there. He was so kind and cheered us up with a song, “Jamica Farewell”. He was from Portaferry and I often wonder what happened to his parents and family – they do not seem to be part of the Ballymurphy campaign. Their son is a real hero in my eyes.

  • HeinzGuderian

    When is ‘whataboutery’ NOT ‘whataboutery’ ?? ……………Simples,it’s when ‘whataboutery’ is spouted by our nat/rep cousins !! 🙂

    I should point out that this is NOT ‘whataboutery’,to your BLATANT ‘whataboutery’,it is merely a response to…………..ummm………ermmmmmm……………’whataboutery’.

  • HeinzGuderian

    I remember Gerry ( el beardo) used to regale us with a song around the camp fire. Sometimes spirits were low,but we clung onto our dream of administering British Rule up at Stormont. Can anyone guess what our ‘dear leader’ sang ??

    🙂

  • Cynic

    Aa driven faith and commitment to murdering their fellow citizens to realise their dream. At least one was a child killer

  • Cynic

    He’s just a racist troll. Don’t feed him.

  • sliabhdubh

    Granni Trixie Father Mullans family are in deed involved in the campaign to clear the names of the innoncents who were murdered in Ballymurphy.I would ask all to attend the Ballymurphy exhibit in Saint Marys college it runs until monday the 15th of august.

  • Savilles over and here we go again right down to the saintly priest, who Im sure had no idea of the sadism that existed under his nose or so we are apparently expected to believe. I believe if anyone managed to escape the cruelty of the RCC they were very lucky indeed, and should remember that.

    A ll these investigations do is stoke the ever burning embers of old hatred.

  • Granni Trixie

    Sliabhdubh::::thanks for clarifying that.

  • Granni Trixie

    Pipakin

    I trust you are not being sarcastic regarding ‘saintly priest’ – for I do think that a man such as Fr Mullan who lay down his life when trying to help his others is v deserving of our admiration. (in case of Derry, Fr Daley was brave but he did not lose his life).

    We will also have to agree to differ as regards bringing up the past, especially in a case such as the Ballymurphy killings.

  • Granni Trixie

    I was being sarcastic, and stand by it, about priests/vicars of that time,, right up to and including the ‘sainted’ Cardinal Daly, who managed to shuffle off this mortal coil before the truth about the RCC was exposed.

    Of course we have to agree to differ on cases like Ballymurphy. You see the root is: I dont care if the victims were catholic or protestant, so it concerns me that the only investigations some call for are into Brit killings. I think its unhealthy, dredges up the past and give the young of today a very misleading picture of other times, hopefully, gone for good. I also think it reopens old wounds for people who lost loved ones, some will disagree, as we must.

    Got to go out now.

  • Ardmhacha

    well then the irish have a couple of hundred years of suffering under the british so victory must be surely ours in the end?

  • vanhelsing

    apologies:)

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    Not sure if you noticed but you stopped being the good guys some time ago

  • Alan Maskey

    You ever hear of the word catharsis? When the Provos started talking, there weas a meeting and the family of William Rooney, “shot by cowards in his bed, at the tender age of nin” spoke. For the first time.

    Jesus wept.

  • Skintown Lad

    these files are now all the more stark in their undisclosed status

  • archie ashcroft

    I for one am outraged by the way in which this is being handled.This BEAST should be exhumed and put in an unmarked grave like any other MURDERING SWINE

  • archie ashcroft

    Let me clarify I was of course talking about the murderer fadder Chesney may he NEVER rest in peace but forever be condemned to walking the underworld where he belongs along with other murdering swine like hitler who also killed as he said for the good of his people

  • archie ashcroft

    Whilst on the subject of papal OUTRAGE is it not about time we got to grips with all the child abuse that has been admitted to and Scotland is about to open it,s arms to the ring leader.Please someone explain to me how this can be allowed on any sort of moral standing,this man has more or less said its ok to mess with children as the guilty never get their just desserts,if it were up to me I would lock them in a room with half a dozen mothers to do as they want