Israeli-Turkish relations irrevocably damaged

The actions of the Israeli military against the civilian flotilla of aid into Gaza has provoked widespread international reaction.

Israel is bracing itself for a wave of diplomatic repercussions in the aftermath of the interception of the small crafts where at least nine people have been killed.

Perhaps the gravest consequences from the killings will be the effect on Israeli-Turkish relations, which have taken a disastrous hit. Al Jazerra reports the claims of a Turkish charity that the majority of those killed on the six boats were Turkish. Turkey have already recalled its ambassador to Israel in response to the deaths. Many Turkish nationals took part in the flotilla, with the worst confrontation reported to have taken place on the largest ship, the Turkish Mavi Marmara.

The once amiable relations between the two had somewhat soured since the Gaza War, but the bare bones of a strategic relationship had still remained. However in light of the actions today by the IDF, the Turkish government will face massive internal pressure to withdraw all meaningful relations with Israel, including arms deals.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan called Israel’s actions “state terrorism”. He also called on Nato and the UN Security Council to arrange emergency sessions to discuss the incident.

Included in the statement from the Turkish Foreign Ministry was the assertion that;

“Israel will have to bear the consequences of its actions… The incident that occurred in open sea which is a gross breach of international law, could cause irrevocable consequences for our relations.”

Approximately 10,000 have so far taken part in protests in Ankara outside the Israeli consulate.

Along with Turkey, Greece, Spain, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway have all reportedly summoned their respective Israeli ambassadors for an explanation.

EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Baroness Ashton of Upholland has called on Israel to conduct a full inquiry into the actions of its troops.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meanwhile has cancelled his meeting with Barack Obama tomorrow to return to Israel. He has declared his full support for the actions of the Israeli military.

EDIT: Robert Tait’s excellent analysis on the relationship is worth a read.

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  • RepublicanStones

    I’m not a Zionist. I am a Canadian with a Turkish background.

    Zionism is not an ethnicity, its an ideology. You could very well be a Canadian Turkish zionist.

  • pinni

    Yeah and if you believe the spin they made the dessert bloom! Course they fucking did: they nicked the water!

  • RepublicanStones

    Ahh the old israel made the desert bloom canard. Palestine was blooming long before any zionits made aliyah. And if you were to fire billions at me each year I’d make a good stab of turning a turd into a pearl necklace for ya 😉

  • “I don’t see the reason on debating with someone who lacks the necessary information on this matter”

    Neo O

    What a fine chap you are, you write the above and then spend upwards of two hundred words, (at a guess, I cannot be bothered to count them) attempting to do just what you say you have no wish to do.

    Still at least you did not post yet another one your URL’s, which must be a first for you. Still, you might have saved some of your time, by simply dealing with the issues I raised in the first place, instead of expecting others to do your work for you by simply scattering about the place URL’s

    Allaha ismarladik

  • “What matters is not what the Gentiles will say, but what the Jews will do.”

    pinni

    Whilst I doubt your mate Regev Ali will be running your quote past Obama anytime soon, nevertheless I agree it is important what ordinary Jewish folks do. Thankfully unlike the political and military creatures you support, more and more Jewish people, both secular and religious, have no wish to be the kept whore of an American president, nor do they wish to see Israel used as the USA’s permanent aircraft carrier in the middle east, let alone be the jailers of the Palestinian people.

    Pinni you are indicative of the Zionist lobby in the USA and elsewhere, not once on this thread have you offered up a solution, or a kind word, all you have to offer is bile and hate and looking back to a mythical past.

    What a sad and brutalised individual you seem to be, or is this just some kind of game or past-time to you?

  • abucs

    You are completely correct Pippakin.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority

    While Fatah won the last Presidential election and the PLO represent “Palestine” at the United Nations, the legitimate government of Palestine is Hamas as they won a large majority of seats in the last elected Palistinian Parliament.

    I stand corrected Pippakin and withdraw my earlier comments.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    mickhall……”deserves”
    “Should be” would also be a step too far for me.
    But I am heartily sick of well prepared western educated, American accented preppy Israeli spokespersons coming on TV with the not so subtle message that they are westerners (just like the viewers) and their Palestinians are strange “different alien” people.
    There was a tongue in cheek thread about throwing Isral out of Eurovision. But bizarrely it has a serious side. Israel (and it part its due to Arab sporting boycotts) has been attached to Europe for sporting purposes (eg qualification for world cup, Champions League, Europa Cup). Perhaps time to tell the Israelis (and it WONT happen of course)……nope you people claim its your land but fact #1 the land is in the middle East, not Central Europe, not the US Eastern seaboard. Live with it.
    Cos you arent like “me” and I dont want you to identify with “me” or westernism (good or bad). Get off my back with how I owe you something for being the front line in the great big fight against Islamist extremism. A great big fight for which Israel bears a big responsibility.
    As Id said on another thread….some wars (WW2, Napoleonic, American Civil War) are concluded by outright victory.
    The United Nations has given the impression that wars can be ended or stalled by endless talking. Obviously this can be justified on MORAL grounds but ultimately its not a conclusion.
    Sadly in the case of Middle East it will take a REAL full scale, no holds barred war to end the THREAT of War.
    HISTORICALLY we would get a result.
    And we all know that when this weeks episode is got over, we will be doing it all again in six months time. Same Israeli reaction/over reaction and the same qualified condemnation from the West, the same threads on a million blogs……..and no solution.

  • RepublicanStones

    Pinni it seems you treat the bible as non-fiction. The israelites were not the first people to dwell on that land. Futhermore this ‘great’ Jewish kingdom(s) was little more than a collection of city states. Which were actually vassal states of large empires for most of their existence. Plus you seem to ignore Judaism’s history of conversion and prosleyzim, which extended far beyond the Levant.

  • abucs

    Thanks for that, Its nice to right occasionally…

  • Mack

    Israel is hardly unique in being an area in which more recent immigrants usurped a longer established population, but does seem to have handled the situation particularly badly.

    New Zealand and Singapore are good examples of at least _relatively_ harmonious relations between new arrivals and the older population.

    I was thinking that most of the world’s landmass is covered by countries that have undergone a similar process in the last few hundred years –

    Australia, USA, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, the rest of South America, South Africa, Russia (ethnic Russians homeland is in the West European part of Russia – probably less 1/4 or 1/5 of the landmass – although they’ve settled it’s length now).

    In the past century 100’s of millions of people have been expelled from their homelands in India / Pakistan, Europe after World War 2, Turkey and Greece, Africa.

    All of which is just to say none of these problems are exceptional, and Palestinians and Israelis would both be much better off with a fair compromise and then they could work together to increase their prosperity etc..

  • Mack

    There are similar issues (maybe on a much smaller scale) in places you’d probably never expect – like Japan (ainu aboriginals), Fiji (where the growing Indian population threatens to outnumber the polynesian population)..

  • pinni

    Wow, now a Catholic bishop killed in Turkey.

    `…The killing is the latest in a string of attacks in recent years on Christians in Turkey, where they make up less than 1% of the 70 million population.

    In 2007, a Catholic priest in the western city of Izmir, Adriano Franchini, was stabbed and wounded by a 19-year-old man after Sunday Mass.

    The same year, a group of men entered a Bible-publishing house in the central Anatolian city of Malatya and killed three Christians. The killings – in which the victims were tied up and had their throats slit – drew international condemnation and added to Western concerns about whether Turkey can protect its religious minorities.`

    And I know of other Christian missionaries who were murdered by Turkish Muslims a couple of years ago but who got no media attention.

    And these are the same people who are sending boat loads of half-cocked lefties and `peaceniks` to Israel to cause havoc there as well. Nice peace-loving folks, these Turks!

  • As if you care, How Michael Fealty allows a whole nation to be slandered by a racist bigot like you speaks volumes about just how far to the right slugger has travelled.

    Read this post Michael, it has the stench of racism and islamophobia all through it,

  • RepublicanStones

    Mick do you notice the difference in language to describe anti-jewish bigots and anti-muslim bigots? ‘Anti-semitism’ versus ‘Islamaphobia’. It’s an interesting contextual difference and helps explain why anti-muslim hatred is the last socially acceptable form of bigotry.

  • pinni

    That`s right, MickHall, when you are losing the argument, start hurling insults. btw, the quote is from the Belfast Telegraph. I mean, how much further left can you get?

    Here`s another one for you to ponder: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704875604575281392195250402.html"Turkey's descent into madness

  • pinni
  • HeinzGuderian

    ‘It is very strange to me…………………..tends to happen quite a bit’

    Indeed ?? :O)