UCUNF Deal in FST being blocked by the DUP?

Alex Kane argues that if Reg only picks up one seat, or none he is finished. The same is probably true for the Tory UUP pact. Which mean the bar is gradually coming down for them. Jeff Peel is picking up vibes in Fermanagh South Tyrone that a deal is already part formed in Fermanagh South Tyrone between the UUs, the Tories and the DUP, but according to Jeff that the sticking point is the DUP’ objection to the ‘independent’ Rodney Connor is that he’ll still be taking the Tory whip… That’s not being confirmed by the DUP… But that doesn’t mean its not true… Jeff…

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  • BBC reporting that Spratt is selected by the DUP to fight South Belfast

  • abc123

    From the news report “The DUP have only said that they are desperate to see an agreed unionist candidate but its understood they will not endorse anyone standing under the Ulster Unionist and Conservative banner.”

    They don’t need to endorse him under the CU banner. They just need to not stand! After all, they’ve already done that in north Down where a certain independent Lady is standing.

  • I’ve made the point before abc that it’s strange to see the DUP walk away from a winnable seat when doing so hurts the UUP, but not when it would hurt SF or the SDLP.

    Stranger still whilst noises are made about unionist unity

  • Harry J

    They don’t need to endorse him under the CU banner. They just need to not stand! After all, they’ve already done that in north Down where a certain independent Lady is standing.
    Posted by abc123 on Apr 01, 2010 @ 05:15 PM

    from the postings of ABC123 it is now clear that the UUP are hoping for a deal in FST to try and win one seat. Reg is in his last 8 weeks of leading the UUP.

    Bye Bye Reggie , Bye Bye UCUNF

  • abc123

    If the DUP are big enough to stand aside in FST and allow Rodney Connor to be the official CU candidate (as opposed to some ‘independent’ CU), then I think they will get a lot of praise for doing so from the Unionist electorate.

  • Harry J

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    If the DUP are big enough to stand aside in FST and allow Rodney Connor to be the official CU candidate (as opposed to some ‘independent’ CU), then I think they will get a lot of praise for doing so from the Unionist electorate.
    Posted by abc123 on Apr 01, 2010 @ 05:34 PM

    ah, the smell of desperation from the UUP for a seat. How about if the UUP dont demand mr connor to run as a CU and let him run as a true independent. Im sure they will get a lot of praise for doing that

  • If one is serious about the issue of unionist unity then should labels matter?

  • Greenflag

    Gildernew will win. Whoever stands for ‘unionism’ will lose .

  • LabourNIman

    she may be independent, but I’ll bet that the DUP has stood aside after reaching a deal with her.

  • Harry J, the little Ulster nationalist in you is so apparent in your ranting. The DUPers have never been real unionists, it’s becoming more and more obvious in their recent statements. Unionists have two choices in the forthcoming elections, vote Ulster Conservative & Unionist, or vote TUV.

  • Harry J

    The DUPers have never been real unionists, it’s becoming more and more obvious in their recent statements. Unionists have two choices in the forthcoming elections, vote Ulster Conservative & Unionist, or vote TUV.
    Posted by Intelligence Insider on Apr 01, 2010 @ 06:16 PM

    never been unionist? which party signed the anglo-irish agreement? the tories. Which party created the downing street declaration to appease republicans? The Tories. Which party held secret talks with the provos? The tories. Which party supported the release of convicted murderers onto our streets? The Tories.

  • UlsterScotty

    Harry J,
    I note that one of our political parties hadn’t the swingers to take another humiliation in North Down so they took the coward’s way out and ran. Or rather, aren’t gonna!
    The DUP are definitely the biggest something in North Down. And they have no difficulty in cosying up to convicted murderers, they keep them in industrial wages and ministerial office.

  • alan56

    I see that Lady Sylvia is saying that UUP will bounce back! She sounded very UUP friendly on UTV and struck an interesting tone. Emmmmm..

  • alan56

    I think there is great interest in an ‘agreed’ candidate in FST. However the UUP will not accept an arrangement which ditches the Cameron promise to have a Conservative running in all constituencies. Question is… will Rodney Connor take the Cons whip if elected. We should know soon.

  • unionistvoter

    The dup are now just a protestant nationalist party with nothing to offer unionists.

  • will Rodney Connor take the Cons whip if elected. We should know soon.

    Did anybody ask him that yet?

  • joeCanuck

    I think Alex Kane is only partly right. It won’t just be Reg but another unionist Party will bite the dust.

  • alan56

    If C&U manage to win 2-3 seats then will the project will be extended to next assembly election?

  • Harry J

    #

    If C&U manage to win 2-3 seats then will the project will be extended to next assembly election?
    Posted by alan56 on Apr 01, 2010 @ 08:48 PM

    the uup will lose 2-3 assembly members before this election is over

  • Drumlins Rock

    cant ee the tories being that interested in Stormont, maybe things will develop to the point you have Conservatives representing Unionist at Westminister and Brussels and a united unionist party at Stormont, unlikely, but it i going to be a very interesting couple of years for all parties, the UUP had its major crisis under Trimble, and is slowly building back up, whether under Reg or not, the DUP seems to in the fast lane rushing to the top and then implode, but because it is happening so quick they are retaining alot of the best talents, so could be leaner but meaner, it is hard to know which way the SDLP is going, and the SF monolith is starting to crack but they are busy with the polyfilla rather than the foundations, oh we do live in interesting times…

  • british citizen

    If we end up, in a few months, with a Basil McCrea/Mike Nesbitt UUP Leader/Deputy Leader dream team to lead moderate Unionism it will be worth it.

    Reg doesn’t seem respected by grass roots UUP party members – and we know where that led David Trimble.

    It’s Basil time!! 🙂

  • dwatch

    [i]Reg doesn’t seem respected by grass roots UUP party members – and we know where that led David Trimble.[/i]

    To true, however he was accepted as party leader for 2010/11 at last saturday’s AGM with no opposition. In the present climate and UCUNF controversy who would want to be leader of the UUP? The post is a poison chalice.

  • Drumlins Rock

    trust me the traditional wing (still the vast majority of paying members) arent ready for a “Basil” yet.

  • dwatch

    Only 313 paying members nearly 50% down than 2009 turned up to vote at last saturdays 2010 UUP conference. This was before the 22 members resigned from Antrim in sympathy with the rejection of Adrian Watson.

  • dwatch

    Just listened to Shadow Secretary of State Owen Patterson sidestep, smokescreen and do everything to avoid answering Wendy Austen’s questions on Good Morning Ulster over the dismissal of Adrian Watson and other controversy of UCUNF. In fact it would have been more entertaining had he give the listeners a round of “My Darling Clementine” like a former secretary of State Peter Brooke did when the Conservatives were last in government.

  • Flow

    never been unionist? which party signed the anglo-irish agreement? the tories. Which party created the downing street declaration to appease republicans? The Tories. Which party held secret talks with the provos? The tories. Which party supported the release of convicted murderers onto our streets? The Tories.

    Posted by Harry J on Apr 01, 2010 @ 06:28 PM

    Which party said “not in the lifetime of this Assembly” when speaking about P&J? The DUP. Which party said it required complete verifiable decommissioning including photograph evidence, but didn’t even get ‘one grubby polaroid’? The DUP. Which party has a former leader, who said “I will not sit down with Sinn Fein/IRA, today, tomorrow or at any other time, full stop.” Then proceeded to do just that? The DUP. Which party appears more concerned about profit rather than principle? The DUP.

  • Comrade Stalin

    The DUP will be using the Tory link to the UUP as a major part of their campaign to discourage people from voting for UCUNF. As such, I can hardly see how they would lend their support to someone taking the Tory whip.

    Generally, though, it’s safest to treat Jeff’s vibes with due caution :

    If the SDLP and Alliance had any political sense they might support Reg.

  • Cynic2

    Flow

    And the Tories were right to do all those things to bring that squalid sectarian war to an end. Look what they achieved in the end – the utter defeat and capitulation of the IRA, SF Ministers signed up to NI in the UK and sitting as British Ministers in a Government at Stormont and the Irish territorial claim abolished on a 97% vote by the people of the Republic. If you don’t recognise that for what it really is, you don’t understand politics.

    The DUP blindly fought it all, tooth and nail. Why? in the pursuit of personal political power, the trappings of office and the lucrative business opportunities that came alongside that.

    That’s just what they are doing in FST now – they want a ‘unity’ candidate – but only one that is aligned to them. They want to split the UUP away from the Tories. Why? Because , as a sectarian party just like SF, they need the fictitious bogeyman of themuns over there to secure their vote. They are desperate to avoid UK national politics , the normalistaion of this society and the development of a shared, non-sectarian future for our children.

    Vote DUP and Vote SF offers much the same thing – division, dissent and a poorer future for all

  • bohereen

    this is very depressing.
    Who would the ordinary decent small u garden centred unionist vote for now?

  • Garza

    Good post cynic!

    Any reasonably minded person can see through the DUP’s “unionist unity” crap.

    I’m surprised thier supporters still believe them after the last election to be honest.

  • dwatch

    [i]And the Tories were right to do all those things to bring that squalid sectarian war to an end. Look what they achieved in the end – the utter defeat and capitulation of the IRA, SF Ministers signed up to NI in the UK and sitting as British Ministers in a Government at Stormont and the Irish territorial claim abolished on a 97% vote by the people of the Republic. If you don’t recognise that for what it really is, you don’t understand politics.[/i]

    Sure Cynic2, that is why the NI Conservatives have no MP’s no MLA’s and three local councillors (all transfers) here in Norn Iron. The DUP have 8 MP’s 35 MLA’s and hundreds of local councillors the electorate who voted DUP are so stupid they just dont understand politics.

  • Garza

    Word of warning dwatch, things change.

    The DUP rise in 2005 & 2007 was to keep SF in check, they are rolling over in spectacular fashion nowadays. DUP power is at its zenith. The majority of unionists are not natural DUP voters.

    The DUP will lose votes this election, their leadership already know it, the question is how many votes.

  • dwatch

    [i]The majority of unionists are not natural DUP voters.[/i]

    Sure, that is why the DUP have 35 MLA’s and the UUP has 18 MLA’s (Oh sorry 17) they just lost McFarland.

    The way the UUP, CU’s or is it UCUNF’s are going Alliance is going to beat them at the next assembly election.

  • Carsons Cat

    Fairly clear the title of this thread doesn’t ring true now.

    Owen Patterson made it abundantly clear this morning who is blocking a deal on agreed candidates in ANY constituency.

    The difference in F&ST; between Owen Patterson and someone like Tom Elliott is that Patterson sees a SF MP helping them on their way to form a Government given the effect it has on the Parliamentary arithmetic. He has absolutely no interest in winning the seat. Gildernew’s every bit as good as a Home Counties Tory in Patterson’s eyes.