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While the PSNI (incorporating the RUC) may make silly mistakes, like being unable to tell which jurisdiction they are in, they also give purposeful demonstrations of their nature.

Yet again, they have been harassing éirígí activists. This time as they engaged in the dangerous activity of delivering leaflets that state the PSNI are just the same as the RUC.

“Our members and supporters in Newry were engaged in quite legitimate political activity last night – the same type of political activity that is supposed to be widely acceptable in a democracy. However, it seems that engaging in political activity which is deemed acceptable elsewhere in Europe is classed as subversive by the PSNI, who are intent upon suppressing any form of political activity that is not supportive of the status quo within the Six Counties.”

  • alan56

    Mark
    Any idea what the leaflets contained?

  • alan56

    I think that Eirigu should stand in elections as I think that would help them not to be characterised (however wrongly) as operating at the fringes of republicanism and perhaps intimidating to others.

  • joeCanuck

    Yes, Mark, this is worth blogging unlike the other which, no doubt, was but a simple mistake.

  • Mark McGregor

    Alan,

    I assume they were distributing this leaflet (or similar).

  • alan56

    Leaflet is a bit militaristic… calling on people to ‘fight back’. Still they have every right to hand out leaflets if not breaking the law.

  • joeCanuck

    Read the leaflet. Something jumped out; they complain, twice, that both MI5 and the British Army take their orders from Downing Street not Stormont.
    Does this mean that they recognize the legitimacy of Stormont?
    I know that you’re not their spokesman, Mark, but can you comment?

  • Mark McGregor
  • Eirigi opposes the peace process so it’s hardly surprising that London and Dublin directs the harassment of its members.

  • joeCanuck

    Alan56,
    Fighting is perfectly acceptable, provided it is by using democratic methods, such, as you say, handing out leaflets.
    If people are denied a democratic outlet they might try something else.
    Needless to say to Sluggerist regulars, I am not a supporter of Éirígí.

  • alan56

    Joe
    I agree

  • joeCanuck

    Mark,
    So their leaflet would appear to be badly worded.

  • Mark McGregor

    Joe,

    Do you think that was the reason the cops came in hard?

    I may watch my entries if the pigs are policing bad wording now!

  • alan56

    ‘Cops came in hard’ wee bit of an exaggeration?…was anyone injured?

  • joeCanuck

    hehehehehe

    Alright, poorly composed, ill-thought out.

  • Mark McGregor

    Joe,

    Having looked at the leaflet again I’m sure the Stormont reference is deliberate.

    It is simply stating that Britain controls these arms and Stormont has no influence.

    Its a dig at SF not an endorsement of the structures they work.

  • Pete Baker

    Indeed, alan.

    Mark

    “the cops came in hard”

    From the evidence provided, one standard patrol car, two police officers, one male, one female, asking questions of a group [number?] going door-to-door in the area of Newry they’re patrolling.

    Where the questions difficult ones perhaps?

  • joeCanuck

    Could be, Mark. But I think I’m savvy enough politically and they sure confused me. It was their first piece of propaganda I have read.

  • wee buns

    Sorry to break this to the dissident-bashers but there is a very positive éirígí vibe in Donegal. They at least can be bothered with the Palestinian issue (where the main parties can not be arsed) Btw, it may come as a surprise that many ordinary southerners DO view the north as ‘occupied’; meaning they are not rabid, gun-slinging nationalists, as is the stereotypical post GFA ‘dissident’. They are just housewives and office workers who essentially disagree.

  • wee buns

    Sorry to break this to the dissident-bashers but there is a very positive éirígí vibe in Donegal. They at least can be bothered with the Palestinian issue (where the main parties can not be arsed) Btw, it may come as a surprise that many ordinary southerners DO view the north as ‘occupied’; meaning they are not rabid, gun-slinging nationalists, as is the stereotypical post GFA ‘dissident’. They are just housewives and office workers who essentially disagree.

  • Mark McGregor

    Pete,

    I’ve no idea. I do know as recently as 2003 they used similar tactics against SF election workers.

    Don’t think either group deserved PSNI attention while engaging in legitimate and legal political activism. Maybe you disagree?

  • Some Loyalist and, believe it or not, some Republicans can be pretty intimidating. The leaflet may have appeared to some in such a light.

    ‘Here we are giving you a nice little leaflet, just think what we could be giving you’…

    I think the question is: did the police just ‘spot them’, you know while they were out hunting criminals. or was there a complaint.

  • wee buns

    sorry my mouse is broke

  • Mark McGregor

    pippakin,

    As you are speculating- anybody with a titter of wit knows there was probably a complaint and that titter of wit would also assume from whom the complaint originated.

  • Pete Baker

    You’ve no idea of what, mark?

    Whether or not “the cops came in hard” as you stated?

    I’ve pointed out what the evidence provided by éirígí shows.

    And I know éirígí deny the police’s right to ask them what they’re up to, but that’s [part of] the job of the police.

    Attempting to make this incident into something it clearly isn’t undermines the more serious complaints.

    Some of which, as you know, I’ve noted the evidence of here on slugger.

  • joeCanuck

    there is a very positive éirígí vibe in Donegal

    So they’ll be putting up candidates for election there, wee buns?
    I know they wouldn’t think for a moment about coming across the border and joining the “vote early, vote often” brigade.

  • Mark McGregor

    No Pete, you are attempting to make this into something less than those willing to put their names to it state and speculating on what might of been intentions with no evidence.

    Maybe you should look for someone to support your thoughts, someone that will put their name to it and from an organisation that hasn’t just admitted being willing to lie over a silly mistake.

  • Pete Baker

    “you are attempting to make this into something less than those willing to put their names to it state and specualting on what might of been intentions with no evidence.”

    Grow up, Mark.

    If éirígí have more evidence than they have currently provided, let’s see it.

    Because what they have, and what they’ve stated, is nothing more than one standard patrol car with two officers stopping to ask them some questions about their activities in the area.

    And you’ve already suggested there was a complaint about those activities.

    Policing.

  • Mark McGregor

    I thought I was asking a legitimate question. ‘Titter of wit’ or not. Or are we only allowed to ask questions ‘titter of wit’ from ‘certain’ parties.

  • Seosamh913

    wee buns

    “many ordinary southerners DO view the north as ‘occupied’”….and yet still don’t give a shit anyway, right ?

    Who writes these cretinous leaflets anyway, bored secondary school boys during remedial class detention ?

  • joeCanuck

    I’m just a little curious. When I was a lad, during the IRA “border campaign”, the B Specials were out at night. They were allowed to ask only 4 questions as I recall:
    What is your name?
    Where do you live?
    Where are you coming from?
    Where are you going to?
    They weren’t big on grammar.)
    What’s the situation today?

    As an aside, as a 14 year old it was very annoying to have a 24 year old who lived 3 doors from you and in whose house you had visited often, to ask questions 1 and 2.

  • Alias

    How many of the 30,000 searches under section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 that were carried out in NI last year produced an arrest for terrorist offences; and of that number (if not zero), how many led to a successful conviction? Further, what was the ‘designation’ of the searched party?

  • wee buns

    @ Joe
    ‘So they’ll be putting up candidates for election there, wee buns?’
    Do not know. Thy need to develop their policies. Just saying that they offer socialist perspective that is otherwise missing in Donegal. Apart from indepenent Thomas Pringle in SOuth Donegal who is both socialist & republican. Dublin has Joe Higgens. We have Mary Coughlin who has done SFA for Donegal. Of course éirígí offers interesting potential. Why would they not?

  • Michaelhenry

    eirigi does not have to worry about being harassed by the armed british army,which is the reason why now, they are handing out leaflets.

  • Alias

    I thought the idea of the searches was not to capture, but to deter. To make it difficult, if not impossible for any illegal material to be carried from place to place.

    One car, two policemen, sounds low key to me.

    If I had to guess I would say PSNI standing orders are ‘do not touch it’, which is not to say there are not other branches of security with orders to crawl all over it…

  • wee buns

    @Seaosamh
    ‘Many ordinary southerners DO view the north as ‘occupied’”….and yet still don’t give a shit anyway, right ?

    Totaly understandable that many southerners do not give a shit…out-of-sight-out-of-mind. I forgive them.
    Many however DO STILL give a shit. When you campaign on the streets of Donegal for Palestine, passers by DO say: What about the six counties?
    Therefore it is not accurate to say that ‘dissident’ groups are responsible for creating a mindset of ‘occupation’.

  • old school

    Section 44 is to harass, pure and simple.
    One Taxi driver was pulled in Derry recently under Section 44. He had a fare in the back.
    What kind of subversive takes elderly dudes in the back of his taxi whilst on manoeveures.
    Oh, they questioned his passengers under the Act as well.
    In another case a Father was stopped whilst taking his kids to school. His 14 year old was also questioned and had his schoolbag searched.
    How much did the Patten Report cost again???

  • sdelaneys

    Old school

    Don’t tell me you are unhappy with the glorious and pious ‘new dispensation’ not to mention the ‘level playing field’, and , most wondrous of all, ‘the process’ itself. Sure, didn’t Mitchel shorten his timescale for a United Ireland from 2016 to 2014?

  • aquifer

    How are crown forces going to recruit supergrasses if they can’t even speak to activists?

    Be fair

  • Cynic2

    Awww poor things. Still without a bit of repression what would they be? Indeed, what exactly are they?

    Your photo is interesting. Must be all of 15 of them lining up against the police – sorry, jackbooted repressive forces of the state – for the photo shoot. Still, never mind. the pub in the background will have come in handy I am sure and nice to see form the signs that it only sold ethnically suitable Irish beers

  • Seosamh913

    There is an awful grawing self-pity about some of these activists, almost a nihilism. Which shouldn’t come as a surprise, given that they appear to support the Taliban. They haven’t articulated in any detal or with any coherence whatsoever what they actually want to achieve beyond empty slogans and tired pseudo-militaristsm, they have no clear strategy about how to achieve what they want, seem to have no interest in developing any meaningful popular support other than within a very narrow part of the community. Some of them flirt with elitist death cult paramilitarism in Ireland. Frankly, what’s their purpose other than to whine ?

  • wee buns

    My point is they should be judged on their policies (when they have developed them). Credit where it is due, they ran a decent anti-Lisbon campaign which was properly informed & well supported in DOnegal.
    I do not know about the Taliban & flirtation with elistist death cults; personaly have not seen any evidence of that.

  • wee buns

    My point is they should be judged on their policies (when they have developed them). Credit where it is due, they ran a decent anti-Lisbon campaign which was properly informed & well supported in DOnegal.
    I do not know about the Taliban & flirtation with elistist death cults; personaly have not seen any evidence of that.

  • Seosamh913

    wee buns,

    Re. Afghanistan, their stated opposition to ‘anti-imperialism’ appears to take the form of supporting the wicked Caliphatist – and therfeore imperialist – Talibani ‘resistance’. Seriously ugly company to be keeping for ostensibly left-leaning activists, wouldn’t you say ?

    Their anti-Lisbonism and notions of Irish nationhood more broadly is contingent upon a definition of national sovereignty more appropriate to the 19th century, it seems to me.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Haven’t eirigi reported this ongoing harassment to the Police Ombudsman ?

    A finding by the Ombudsman against the police would be a significant propaganda victory. The allegations would have to actually be substantive, of course ..

  • griffin

    CS,

    eirigi standing orders from “The Colouring In Book”:

    “Only enter dialogue with the fascists when you’ve been called in to sign on”

  • wee buns

    Seosamh
    Not being a member, & never having been a member of ANY political party, I do not have a problem with éirígí, or anyone else, highlighting the fact that the police are operating with an excess of power, more than is required in fact for the current conditions. If the justification for it is supposed to be the dissident threat, well that too is questionable. The increase in stop & search practices does nothing for internal security, no more than full body scanners prevents bombers from boarding planes. The point of such excessive measures is to keep people in a semi-latent state of crisis. Indeed it is the state, through it’s excessiveness in this instance who is ‘flirting with elitist death cult’ activity. After all ‘War is the health of the State’.

  • wee buns

    Cont’d:
    To get back to you on Lisbon, tardy as I am, the arguments both pro & anti Lisbon were riddled with misinformation to the extent that it was severely daunting to most ordinary people; deliberate of course. Credit is due to those who assisted at grassroots with proper information, including the People’s Party.
    An anti treaty vote in Donegal was not the result of being ‘stuck in the 19th C’ (a view which seems to suit our more sophisticated urbanite fellow country people) but the result of a well informed electorate voting on the direct impact of Europe on the local ecconomy, in particular, the decimation of the fishing industry in Killybegs.

  • wee buns

    Sorry, that is the ‘People’s Movement’ not ‘Party’.