“A potential compromise” in North Down?

At the weekend a Conservative Party spokesman ruled out suggestions of a “special dispensation” for the independently minded Lady Sylvia Hermon to run as an Ulster Unionist candidate in North Down. And, as the UUP’s 5pm deadline for nominations to be their North Down candidate approaches, the BBC reports that the North Down MP “has said she will not apply to stand for election under the joint Ulster Unionist and Conservative banner.” Which has been both sides consistent views. Who will blink first? Adds The UUP has selected its nominees in all other constituencies.

, , ,

  • Paul

    SH has blinkered first from the very start she was and has being adamant she would not stand under the UCUNF banner the UUP have bend over backwards to try to get her on board time to move on and select another candidate.

  • Alias

    Hermon is just using the party to support her as a de facto independent candidate. Sir Reg really needs to put an end to this farce before he makes a complete laughing stock out of his own credibility as leader and out of the link up with the Tories. At some point he is going to have to get rid of his party’s only MP and go for broke that his party has more appeal than his sitting candidate, and can therefore take the seat back from her after deselecting her. Does he lack confidence in his own party? Well, err, perhaps that’s reasonable given he only has one MP left…

  • Paul

    I agree with the comments above its time reg and the UUP got a grip and announced they are selecting another candidate.SH has led them the UUP up the garden path to give her special treatment would make the whole UCUNF project laughable.

  • Stroke City Emboli

    Sir Reg is coming across as really weak in not standing up to Sylvia Hermon. She doesn’t buy into the link with the Tories. Fair enough. Many people in the Party are uncomfortable with the Tory link – but they have to bear it, or leave. The party policy is for 18 joint candidates in the General Election.

    She cannot be allowed to stand with any Party support or with the Unionists putting noone against her.

    Sir Reg must ensure a Unionist candidate who does support the link is put forward today, before the joint committee makes the final call.

    If the UUP give in to the bullying of just one elected representative they will become a laughing stock in NI and at Westminster.

  • John K Lund / Lllamedos / Suchard

    In my opinion if she is pushed as this ridiculous compromise candidate then the deal will fall; the same also applies to Concillor David Watson with his openly anti homophobic stance regarding his guest house and attitude to certain school children doing their bit for charity.Neither of these candidates will be acceptable to the Parliamentary Conservative and Unionist Party.Why it has taken over two years to arrive at this conclusion Beggars Belief. Also the ill conceived attempts to form an electoral pact with the DUP under the auspices of the Orange Order which probably might well have 15000 members i.ew. less than 1% of the population. Are the pro Conservative and Unionist vote who beat the DUP along with its OO accolytes in the European Elections interested in Lady Hermon or Adrian Watson and the answer will be no.

  • Garza

    I’d say, even though I am a fan of Lady Hermon, one person is not as important as what we are trying to achieve, she should be let go. Hope she runs as a Labour candidate.

  • Framer

    The fact is that Reg needs two MPs to be recognised as a party at Westminster.

    But then Unionist MPs once elected realise that they can just do their own thing and don’t need to be hobbled by party discipline. Look at Jim Kilfedder.

    I reckon Hermon is not so much anti-Tory as anti-being whipped. This enables her to come and go as she pleases and declare herself popular.

    The problem is her impudence. It was the party put her there and all she does is raise two fingers at it and her elected leader.

    Any deal with her however opens up a precedent for an arrangement in South Belfast.

  • Munsterview

    This Lady Sylvia storm in a teacup is not really my cup of tea ! However I will confess to a mild curiosity regarding one aspect of it; this U.U.P. Tory link, did the U.U.P consult with their ordinary party branch members regarding the link, was this matter voted on branch by branch and if so what was the result ? Or was this a ‘Top Down’ decision foisted on the rank and file.

    I doubt if the Tory Party consulted their rank and file, that is not the way things are done in those circles ! As a prelude to new politics on this island we should at least have democracy on those we have.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    Come on Reg, grow a set! Let her stand as an independent. She might sneak in this time but she’ll not do it two elections in a row without UUP support. It’s better for your party and your leadership if you stand up to her and her ego.

  • Paul

    I have just seen the list of UUP candidates and can not for the life of me see why it has taken so long for them the UUP to select them.For goodness sake get on with it

  • cynic47

    The UUP is a very broad church but in recent years has been a stand alone party with neither left nor right leanings in relation to national politics. Then along comes the link with the Tories. Is it any surprise that members of the UUP who would have personal leanings against the Tory Party are feeling uncomfortable? Lady Hermon is in the privileged position that she can highlight how this pact/merger/whatever, is not acceptable to people, including her, who would not see themselves as natural Tories. Give her the dispensation, keep the seat, and it will all work through in the end. The alternative is to kiss bye bye to a seat and to have a very angry MP for North Down having a quiet giggle if her vote is badly needed by Mr Cameron in a hung parliament. Has Reg given any consideration to his party voters who may not have Conservative sympathy? There might be hundreds of Lady Hermon’s out there who might just ensure a bloody nose for Sir Reg at the election. Wonder what history will make of his leadership? I can guess!

  • Paul

    in response to cynic47 I am sorry but to give her special treatment is ob-surd all the other UUP candidates have made a commitment SH has de selected herself from saying she wont apply to be a candidate fair enough select another candidate then..

  • Paul

    if they cant sort this out within the next day or so.UCUNF should be scrapped

  • BryanS

    Paul
    where do i find the list of uup candidates?

  • Carsons Cat

    The unfortunate problem for Reggie is that North Down looks like it could be Hermon’s for as long as she wants to hold it.

    Check the differential between the UUP’s “party” vote at the Council elections on the same day as Hermon’s vote in the Westminster election in 2005.

  • In fact. I’ll save us all a trip and copy&paste;
    The full list is as follows:
    North Antrim- Robin Swann;
    South Antrim- Adrian Watson;
    East Antrim- Rodney McCune;
    North Belfast – Fred Cobain;
    West Belfast- Bill Manwaring;
    South Belfast- Paula Bradshaw;
    East Belfast- Trevor Ringland;
    Strangford- Mike Nesbitt;
    South Down- John McAllister;
    Lagan Valley- Daphne Trimble;
    Upper Bann- Harry Hamilton;
    Newry and Armagh – Danny Kennedy;
    Fermanagh and South Tyrone- Tom Elliot;
    Mid Ulster- Sandra Overend;
    West Tyrone- Ross Hussey;
    Foyle- David Harding;
    East Londonderry- Lesley McAuley.

  • Paul

    I find it incredible its taken so long to select them.SH has held the whole UCUNF project to ransom.Thats why they the UUP keep dithering

  • Ulidian

    Carsons Cat

    What about the DUP vote? Hermon depends on quite a broad coalition. From where I’m sitting, she looks very vulnerable.

  • I actually agree Paul. This could have been done a long time ago.

    Luckily the UUP has resisted the trap of selecting tired old MLAs in all the seats.

    It’s all over to the joint committee I suppose/

  • Paul

    It’s all over to the joint committee I suppose/
    Posted by Conquistador on Feb 23, 2010 @ 04:03 PM

    I totally agree its over to the joint committee and it should take hours rather than days to get this sorted.

  • Paul

    what ever happens some people are going to be disappointed but that’s the nature of any selection process.Get on with it for god sake and show leadership.

  • Munsterview

    Posted by Munsterview on Feb 23, 2010 @ 01:25 PM

    Any answers from anyone up there on my query ?

  • BryanS

    Thanks Conq

    Munster
    Traditionally the UUP has vry much been a grassroots up party with each constituency having control of selection. this seem to have changed eg Strangford had nesbitt imposed on them after Heron was the preferred cndidate. A coup organised by orange McNarry made sure of that, presumably with reg’s approval. Sad times

  • Paul

    Byran you are a conservative are you not.I think its a bit rich accusing the UUP of imposing candidates.When the tories on the mainland are masters of controlling who is imposed on constituency associations.There has being seat after seat on the mainland where CCHQ have imposed candidates on a short list and have even over ruled when a candidate has being selected only for CCHQ to say if the candidate selected is not to there liking they then class the selection nil and void and a re selection takes place. Its caused no end of bad feeling amongst tory associations so to accuse the UUP is a bit rich.

  • joeCanuck

    Paul,
    You’re slipping back into old habits on this thread; 9 comments out of 25 saying more or less the same thing.

  • BryanS

    Paul, yes I am a conservative by inclintion. I was not accusing anyone of anything. I was trying to explain to Munster how local constituency associations used to be in charge of their own selection process but that this has now changed. I realise that all joint Con/UUP candidates now have to be approved by CCHQ and this changes things somewhat but not completely. EG. Everyone knew months ago that Tom elliott was going to be the FST candidate irrespective of what CCHQ said.

  • Impartial Reporter

    That candidate list look like nothing I have ever seen from the UUP, how many will lose their option to Conservative candidates? Apart from Parsley who are the other Conservative contenders?

  • Garza

    Hermon is not standing for the Unionists and Conservatives – confirmed,

  • Paul

    #

    Paul,
    You’re slipping back into old habits on this thread; 9 comments out of 25 saying more or less the same thing.
    Posted by joeCanuck on Feb 23, 2010 @ 05:15 PM

    Joe get a life you dont even live here i am not accountable to you so mind your own business.I have posted my opinion who do you think you are stop throwing threads off topic.

  • BryanS

    And my sadness was entirely restricted to the fact that a failed Orange candidate like McNarry could still impose his will on the constituency association.

  • Paul

    It just being confirmed that SH will not be running as a UCUNF candidate.

  • Paul

    nd my sadness was entirely restricted to the fact that a failed Orange candidate like McNarry could still impose his will on the constituency association.
    Posted by BryanS on Feb 23, 2010 @ 05:21 PM

    Byran Mcnarry didnt even put his name forward for selection.

  • interested

    carsons cat

    True to say, DUP have the best ever chance to take Hermon out and come through the centre! They have been working very hard on the ground and if they had a good candidate they can sneak the seat!

  • Paul

    True to say, DUP have the best ever chance to take Hermon out and come through the centre! They have been working very hard on the ground and if they had a good candidate they can sneak the seat!
    Posted by interested on Feb 23, 2010 @ 05:28 PM

    I would of thought the DUP candidate would be peter weir

  • Harry J

    I would of thought the DUP candidate would be peter weir
    Posted by Paul on Feb 23, 2010 @ 05:36 PM

    easton topped the NOrth Down assembly poll in 2007

  • BryanS

    Paul
    pay attention! I didnt say McNarry applied for the seat. He was a failed past candidate. I am not sure where you are coming from. are you a drum beating OO man/ a conservative UUP man / or ?

  • Paul

    easton topped the NOrth Down assembly poll in 2007
    Posted by Harry J on Feb 23, 2010 @ 05:39 PM

    Thanks for that harry.

  • Paul

    #

    Paul
    pay attention! I didnt say McNarry applied for the seat. He was a failed past candidate. I am not sure where you are coming from. are you a drum beating OO man/ a conservative UUP man / or ?
    Posted by BryanS on Feb 23, 2010 @ 05:41 PM

    I misread your post sorry Byran.Stop posting attacks on the OO you sound like jeff peel i am no orange man either show some respect

  • joeCanuck

    Party discipline is woeful among some Parties in N.I., the DUP probably being the worst.
    If the Lady hasn’t thrown her hat into the ring then the Unionists/Conservatives have to select another candidate and let her decide whether she was to stand as an independent.

  • John K Lund / Lllamedos / Suchard

    Can anyone tell me what relevancy has the Orange Total Disorder got in modern socio economic politics.

  • BryanS

    Paul
    I think the OO are responsibel for some of the present difficulties. I have little respect for an organisation that makes such an issue of parading in places where it is a. not wanted and b. likely to provoke a reaction and waste police time.
    And i dont know john peel. Is he still in favour of hunting with hounds?

  • Paul

    #

    f the Lady hasn’t thrown her hat into the ring then the Unionists/Conservatives have to select another candidate and let her decide whether she was to stand as an independent.
    Posted by joeCanuck on Feb 23, 2010 @ 05:52 PM

    you are merely repeating what has already being said by quite a few posters stop spamming.

  • Paul

    aul
    I think the OO are responsibel for some of the present difficulties. I have little respect for an organisation that makes such an issue of parading in places where it is a. not wanted and b. likely to provoke a reaction and waste police time.
    And i dont know john peel. Is he still in favour of hunting with hounds?
    Posted by BryanS on Feb 23, 2010 @ 05:59 PM

    jeff peel is NI conservative and you post on his blog so dont give me that.He has made insulting comments very recently.quite disgraceful

  • joeCanuck

    you are merely repeating what has already being said by quite a few posters

    Paul, do you need me to quote the comment numbers on this thread where you simply say that you agree with what another poster has said or that you confirm what Garza has already pointed out?

  • Paul

    Paul, do you need me to quote the comment numbers on this thread where you simply say that you agree with what another poster has said or that you confirm what Garza has already pointed out?
    Posted by joeCanuck on Feb 23, 2010 @ 06:13 PM

    get on with the thread and stop wasting time and grow up you act like a child.Who do you think you are an over seas slugger mod.?lol grow up you silly man

  • joeCanuck

    Nothing like a bit of name calling and man playing really keeps a thread on track.

  • Paul

    and as for Garza comments joe I didnt see them and posted mine after.Now get a life

  • Paul

    #

    Nothing like a bit of name calling and man playing really keeps a thread on track.
    Posted by joeCanuck on Feb 23, 2010 @ 06:20 PM

    stop spamming and throwing threads off topic

  • Garza

    Regarding the list, mixed bag I guess, some great candidates, some not so great. Are the Tories putting candidates down for every constituancy except F&ST;?

    Woulnd’t mind a tory running for EA as well.

  • The Original Sam Maguire

    Is your wan in Mid Ulster a daughter of Billy Armstrong’s or did I just imagine reading that on slugger in the past?

  • Garza

    Sandra Overend’s maiden name is Armstrong.

  • Munsterview

    Posted by BryanS on Feb 23, 2010 @ 04:36 PM

    Thanks for your response.

    Seems that we have the same local v central democratic deficit in all political parties Ireland, North and South! It is no longer about service to the party or branch choices and all to do with the Party Leaders/Backroom Boys ( and Gals)/Handlers/Spin Doctors etc, etc to decide.

    Reminds me of a Star Treck episode where each continent in a visited world conduct a virtual nuclear war in which a games victory by one side is followed by the defeated side having to actually eliminate their own city that they had lost !

    How long before we get to a situation where all these realpowers in parties meet collectively and emerge from the conference room conclave to announce who the new term public representatives are, what party or combination of parties will rule, and who the Leader and Government Ministers will be.

    Sure could beat all this election fuss and uncertainty, a conclave meeting in the morning and a new parliament and government in the afternoon, provided new members could be contacted in time to tell them of the result of course!

  • Garza

    Just heard that Lady Hermon is to meet a Labour representitive on radio Ulster. Could North Down be the first place in Northern Ireland to have a Conservative v Labour battle??

  • Garza

    Also hearing Adrian Watson beat Col Tim Collins for the UU nomination for South Antrim. WTF???

  • slug

    “Also hearing Adrian Watson beat Col Tim Collins for the UU nomination for South Antrim. ”

    This if true is TERRIBLE.

  • BryanS

    Why terrible slug? I understood TC was a self promoting ego.

  • Impartial Reporter

    TC announced some time ago he had no interest in standing in NI.

    The Conservative question is – are Sheila Davison, Peter McCann and Deidre Nelson still in contention for their prefered seats?

  • BryanS

    And when are the conservatives going to give us a list of their preferred candidates in each seat????

  • Garza

    “TC announced some time ago he had no interest in standing in NI.”

    Yeah not sure if I believe if Col. Collins and south antrim story either, the uup would never be that stupid to reject him, he would have locked south antrim for the uup.

    “The Conservative question is – are Sheila Davison, Peter McCann and Deidre Nelson still in contention for their prefered seats?”

    Apparently they are.

  • unsettled

    As I understand it, they’re not only still in, they are regarded as essential to the idea of the UCUNF project- surely it only works of there are some Tories in?. The question is why didn’t they join the UUP in the first place? Surely they’d have been welcomed with open arms- having seen the UUP list, there’s no one really jumping out other than Ringland and Nesbitt. Add McCann, Davidson and Nelson to those two and it begins to look like a game.
    with regard to South Antrim I had heard Colonel Tim was in contention for Lady Hermon’s seat.

  • Garza

    [quote]Labour chiefs court disenchanted Hermon

    THE most senior Labour Party member in Northern Ireland has appealed for North Down MP Lady Hermon to join Labour after it was confirmed that she will not run for the Conservatives and Unionists.
    Last night the Ulster Unionists confirmed that Lady Hermon, who has repeatedly made clear her unhappiness at the UUP’s alliance with the Tories, had not submitted an application by the 5pm deadline for nominations in North Down.

    [b]Were the North Down MP to do so, she would be the first British Labour Party MP in Northern Ireland. It would also be an ironic twist, representing a step towards bringing to Northern Ireland the national politics which the Conservative-UUP project is about.[/b][/quote]

    This just gets more and more interesting by the day :-).

  • Garza
  • Garza

    [quote]Add McCann, Davidson and Nelson to those two and it begins to look like a game.[/quote]

    The problem is Bradshaw, Trimble and Ringland are all excellent candidates as well and there are other less inspiring candidates (albeit it unwinnable seats) that could be replaced. I would love to see a Trimble beat weeeeee Jefferey.

    [quote]with regard to South Antrim I had heard Colonel Tim was in contention for Lady Hermon’s seat.[/quote]

    That is very interesting, but regarding Colonel Collins being a candidate I will believe it when I see it :-).

  • Impartial Reporter

    Conservatives seem to be distancing themselves from the ‘gang of three’ – I am not sure that any of them will get a go this time round.

    As for TC – It’s simply not on the crds.

  • cynic47

    Why is everyone thinking that Lady Hermon is Labour Party material simply because she has issues with the Tories in the context of a pact or merger with the UUP. She is a UUP member, she is a UUP MP, and that is the start middle and end of her political beliefs. She will not be standing as a Labour candidate!!

    I am confident that she will stand as an Independent and will wipe out the opposition from wherever it comes. Hope David Cameron doesn’t need her vote in a hung parliament. He might just be disappointed with her response.

  • Garza

    [quote]Why is everyone thinking that Lady Hermon is Labour Party material simply because she has issues with the Tories in the context of a pact or merger with the UUP.[/quote]

    Didn’t she basically say she was a Labour gal? And no-one claimed what you said above.

    [quote]She is a UUP member, she is a UUP MP, and that is the start middle and end of her political beliefs.[/quote]

    Obviously not or else she would still be in the UUP after the election. So its not the start, middle and end, she is obviously more complex than that.

    [quote]She will not be standing as a Labour candidate!![/quote]

    Wow sorry synic, never realised it was your call.

    [quote]I am confident that she will stand as an Independent and will wipe out the opposition from wherever it comes.[/quote]

    She might do, she might not. Who knows, all we have is speculation at this point.

    But since the SDLP has decided to dander further down the nationalist with Ritchie, there is a gap for non-secretarian social democrat politics. Labour can nestle here nicely with links to the British and Irish Labour parties if they try.

  • Marcionite

    Lady Hermon is by far, the most able and worthy MP we have in NI. I hope she wins her seat under Labour and rises in the ranks of that party. She’s the only politician here I can point to and be proud off.

  • LabourNIman

    well, I’m sure I’m going to get flamed for this… but she won’t join Labour. Why wait until now?

    Why not announce she has left the UUP (which she is still a member, just not a candidate) and joined us when she didn’t nominate herself for the UUP selection?

    It doesn’t add up and sadly it looks like Boyd is just soothing her ego.

    My personal view is, if she joined it would be a big boost to us. However as she is often called the ‘independently minded’ MP and has pretty much ignored her own parties hierarchy the last 5 years I can’t see her giving the LPNI hierarchy much attention when it comes to her statements and decisions.

    But, I could be wrong…