‘Former OC’ Gerry Adams and his dirty tackle

Today saw republican veteran Dolours Price feature heavily across several pages in the Irish News (locked away behind a tight online pay-per-read wall), it was most focused on her involvement with the Independent Commission for the Location of Victims’ in identifying the disposal sites for some of the ‘disappeared’.

There was also a claim that during part of her time as an IRA volunteer Gerry Adams was her Officer Commanding (OC).

This hasn’t, as yet, been picked up in many other arenas but it was enough to see SF promptly issue a press release in which Adams crudely dismisses Ms Price without once addressing her allegation:

Dolours has set her self against the Sinn Féin leadership on many occasions. But I was very moved by her admission that she is suffering from trauma.

There obviously are issues that she has to find closure on for herself and there’s no point anyone in these situations blaming anyone else – it’s up to her and she needs support to come to terms with all of this.

This blog, not that ‘this blog’, doesn’t think Dolours will be receiving an invite to Ógra Shinn Féin’s ‘Celebrating the Women of Struggle’ Dinner Dance.

  • scarecrow

    people who vote for him do have a choice.

    The SF party machine is huge, lots and lots of taxis to take voters to the polls to vote Gerry in, vote SDLP and walk…. Besides the stoopers are no choice, their candidates lack pulling power in a major way, and SF depends upon loyalty built up during the troubles. Voting behaviour is difficult to change in any electorate, he’s a face but he can’t not won’t step down, why? Because they’re afraid they’d lose the seat.

    It is true that members of PIRA lead by both GA and MMcG hurt a lot of people, but it still took a lot of courage to take the step that allowed everyone to live in peace.

    Very faulty logic. You seem to be saying they had to create war to get peace, did they?

    Even the value of peoples homes is largely due to them, after all no one wants to buy a house on a firing range. and
    Of course the most expensive properties would be in the least violent areas, that emphasizes my point

    Not if they’re partly responsible for the firing range.

  • old school

    The former husband of Dolores Price, fave actor, Stephen Rea, used to do Gerry´s voice during the censored years.
    Whats the numerical chances of that coincidence?

  • “Even the value of peoples homes is largely due to them”

    Pipikin

    You are closer to the truth than you may have intended, think this one through, the PIRA fought a long war to create a housing boom, the main beneficiaries of which are whom? Certainly not the youngsters who live in West Belfast today and who wish to buy a HOME, but find they are excluded by the market due to cost.

    The PRM came into being as a symbol which raged against authority, today it is the frontman for that authority, whose every whim it supports and when its unionist neighbours get a little uppity, it is on the first boat to England demanding the UK government act as an independent arbiter.(LOL)

    Now people like Rory may wish to deny this fact but it does not make it any less so. True a political Organization must act tactically and in a flexible way, but SF has done neither it has had the same old turgid strategy that has failed to bring results for its core support base for the last decade and more.

    When was the last time SF brought its once considerable support base of activists out onto the street of the North to oppose, say, privatisation, cuts in the welfare state, non selective education, the Irish language, need I go on.

    SF has become a shell of its former self, just as Adams intended, when he moulded it into the shape of new Labour. Yes it can still win elections, but what good is that if it is unable to implement its electoral manifesto commitments . Rory tell me which of the main commitments in the last SF manifesto has the party brought into law?

    Ahhaa, policing, now there is a clue, surely?

  • Michhall

    What I have noticed on Slugger is the groups of people who are:

    1) Republicans who feel betrayed by Gerry Adams for agreeing to and bringing peace to the north;

    2) Republicans who admire Gerry Adams and will not allow any disparagement of their hero to go unchallenged;

    3) Unionists who want the agreement to work and restrain themselves from too much bias;

    4) Unionists who hate the agreement and lose no opportunity to complain about it;

    5) The Alliance types who seek to bridge the gap between all four groups and end up on the rack.

    All Im saying is we would not have had a housing boom if we had not had peace. I do not agree with the housing boom myself. In many ways I am personally a victim of it. I honestly dont know how young people manage financially, but its a hell of a lot better than worrying they may not get home in one piece, or even alive.

    I hope we are all big enough to give credit where it is due. If GA and MMcG had said no, people would still be dying. I say if it aint worth living for (and you will notice those at the top of the tree always live) it aint worth dying for.

  • scarecrow

    LIf GA and MMcG had said no, people would still be dying

    There you go again with that faulty logic. You didn’t answer first time, so I’ll ask again, did they have to wage war to get peace?

  • scarecrow

    I am sorry I missed your first question.

    The answer is no, of course they didnt.

    But for the record, catholics in the north were treated very badly by the stormont govts, so equally of course, they would react, and they did.

    I remember when the troubles erupted I was shocked, and I think most of the UK was shocked at the blatant sectarianism.

    The Brits are good at not seeing what they dont want to see, perhaps if it were not for the troubles, we would not be where we are.

    I reject violence totally, but would I if I had been continually discrimated against, I wonder.

    In one of his books Terry Pratchett says: we all need to feel better than someone, even if its only an earthworm. For too long, too many unionists treated catholics like that.

    It is almost as it should be now, and the best thing we can say about the past is: lets forget it and get on with living.

  • scarecrow

    Two things pip, one is that forgetting the past means we’re doomed to repeat it, and two the IRA has put out the view that in order to get peace we had to have war – checkout adams RTE interview last Friday. He believes we wouldn’t have got to where we are now unless the troubles took place- that is a lie and it lies behind your faulty logic. You have picked up the lie and bought it hook line and sinker.

  • Pippakin

    Whilst it may seem for some like all of the usual republican subject who oppose Gerry are still fighting the last war, I feel it is an injustice to claim this, some may be, but for others it is the last thing on their minds. They certainly do not feel betrayed by Gerry Adams for agreeing to and bringing peace to the north. That is a total travesty of the truth. (There is an argument about the truth of this statement but if I go there I would being going over well ploughed farrow

    Scarcrow is spot on about forgetting the past, where we differ is I cannot see how the orange state could have changed without a god almighty outburst of communal anger. Whether the war should have gone on for decades is another thing, but the fact it did cannot alone be laid at the IRA’s door, although IRA leaders like Gerry Adams at some time in the future will have questions to answer here.

    I realise many may disagree, but in all honesty does anyone seriously believe those who ruled the statelet back then, would have changed their ways if the IRA had signed up to the Sunningdale Agreement? I do not see it myself, at the time, neither the British government or the unionist political establishment were prepared to give the political space to the PRM which would have been necessary to open up a democratic avenue.

    Having said this, it is also true the younger generation of Provos who were making the military running, were also unwilling, no, unable for a number of differing reasons, to move in that direction.

    If anything you can see that the british government of today and the northern political elite, making all the same mistakes that dogged the troubles. By this a mean all those who differ with their standpoint and direction are excluded, demonised and slandered.

    The use of the word dissidents to describe all those people, whose only common link politically is to oppose the GFA, wreaks of the troubles and to put it in a historically context tale end of the Soviet Union appratchiks and look where it got them. Bloody hell Adams was even trying the mental health angle with Dolores only this week.

  • Driftwood

    Mickhall
    Captain Terence O Neill and Brian Faulkner tried desperately hard to reform the state and were rebuffed by extremists on both sides at every turn. Give them some credit.

  • Scarecrow

    I bought nothing. I simply say that it takes two, or in this case half a dozen to talk, and it would not have happened if GA and MMcG had said no.

    It is not faulty logic. It is what happened, why they did it, why it took so long, who knows. I think we will eventually find out. The walls are beginning to crumble.

    Mickhall

    I believe they would. I believe they would have had to. Why do we in Ireland think the Brits want us? Its always puzzled me. It may be hard to take, but the truth is they dont care about us. If anything they wish we would just ‘go away’.

    The surprising thing is they keep on paying. Some would say we are not in a position to afford the north. It would certainly be bad timing if the Brits withdrew tomorrow.

    There is some kind of romantic notion that Ireland must only become united through armed struggle, that somehow we must make the Brits surrender. I just dont see, and have never seen that as a workable option.

    GA should by now be a fair expert on mental health, he has taken professional advice and is getting therapy.

  • scarecrow

    O’Neill had no chance, he was a loner and should have worked with his cabinet more. He did reach out to Lemass but Lemass was a willing partner to reach out too. The second leader of FF is undoubtedly an unrecognised figure in the history of Ireland, but O’Neill saw himself as Ulsters Kennedy, that was his downfall. that Britain did not want a deep south in its own backyard was a great motivator in dealings with the British, the advent of a labour governemt put the shits up the unionist elite. Liberal unionism was stomped on by the rise of paisley and his fundamentalist religious politics, that liberal unionism will come to the fore now, it could have done so before but the violence set things back. Reforms under violence were slow, i believe they’d have been much quicker had there been no violence.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Mickhall, but would you not agree that the so called negotiated GFA is the same thing as the Sunningdale Agreement except for the changing of a few words here and there?

    For example the Council of Ireland = Cross Border Bodies.

    First Minister/Deputy First Minister = Chief Executive/Deputy Chief Executive…

    It even stated in part 5, If in the future the majority of the people of Northern Ireland should indicate a wish to become part of a united Ireland, the British Government would support that wish.

    Part 14 contained provisions for the devolution of Policing…

    Accordingly, the British Government stated that, as soon as the security problems were resolved and the new institutions were seen to be working effectively, they would wish to discuss the devolution of responsibility for normal policing and how this might be achieved with the Northern Ireland Executive and the Police.

    So in effect the Shinners got nothing more than what was always on the table.

  • Scaramoosh

    Mick Hall

    “The use of the word dissidents to describe all those people, whose only common link politically is to oppose the GFA.”

    What these people have in common is that they are trapped; psychologically; philosophically and politically; without purpose, without meaning.

    The past is the past. The IRA did not deliver the promised land, and now they have left the stage.

    The only way forward, whether we like it or not is through some form of reconciliation and the slow slow drip of the democratic process.

    A United Ireland will come, but not in our time, nor in the time of many of those that once represented the so called cutting edge of the IRA.

    So much of the anti-Adams/Sinn Fein rhetoric seems caught up in the world of ego; whether it comes from the founders of Óglaigh na hÉirean, or represents the disaffected musing of disgruntled but now retired Provos. What it all seems to have in common is its failure to come up with a plausible, alternative strategy. Like the rejectionist Unionists; it simply rejects for the sake of rejecting.

    The bottom line, is and always will be, that the Provos could not, did not and were never going to win the war. The current status quo is about the best that they could ever have been hoped for. Sad, but true.

    If only those that now waste their time and energy attacking Adams and his mob, focused their attention where it mattered, such as in exposing the one-dimensional sectarianism of the TUV, we would all be living in a far better place.

    As it is, it is sad to see good minds being wasted, through too much bemoaning the past.

    Perhaps, it is simply the case, that you all followed the wrong Provos;

    http://url.ie/552v

  • Dixie,

    I agree with you about the similarities; however the attitude of the British government towards the republican insurgents, including its leadership, were totally different when Sunningdale was placed on the table than when the GFA turned up. As too was the PRM standpoint. As you know.

    “the so called negotiated GFA” nice touch.

  • Scaramoosh

    Good points, but for a lot of people the past is not another land.

    All the best

  • wee buns

    Scaramoosh
    ‘What it all seems to have in common is its failure to come up with a plausible, alternative strategy.’

    Could not agree more on the importance of policy, (these are believed to be in the pipeline in the case of éirígí whose non violent stance must be acknowledged at every mention), however that the label of ‘dissident’ is used for ‘all those whose only common link politically is to oppose the GFA’ is very problematic. So the GFA gets to define all hues, all diversity. If there no space for Tone’s dissenter, then there is no anarchy in the pure sense ie, healthy sense of the word, therefore no possibility of unity. The past is only uselful to give context to the present. Thanks for the link to the original Provos!

  • Alias

    “So in effect the Shinners got nothing more than what was always on the table.” – Dixie Elliott

    True, but the uppity taigs needed a few more years of state-sponsored terror before they were ready to give up their claim to self-determination and before the Irish state was ready to give up its claim to British territory as the price for a cessation of the murder gangs activities. Plus, of course, once you’ve led them to do something that is against their national interests you can remind them that the ‘alternative’ is far worse if what you present as the alternative was actually far worse. As is often pointed out, you can kill the man but not the idea. Therefore you need to adjust your strategy to claim ownership of the idea and redefine it so that it promotes your agenda. That is why the Shinner touts were so useful to their handlers.

  • Mike

    Ulick

    So can you tell me what your mealy-mouthed guff on ‘duality’ (“Anyone with even the slightest understanding of the Irish Republican tradition knows there is an acceptance of the duality or dichotomy that exists”) means, if not that republicans like Gerry Adams are expected to lie about their involvement in IRA violence?

  • Paddy

    “I am an Irish Republican, non-aligned, who has dallied with different forms of socialism. However, I like to think I have a good understanding of Irish history, culture and traditions and unlike many other round these parts my understanding of republicanism is not defined by opposition to everything associated with Sinn Féin.”

    Kinda reminds me of the shadows of gunmen in O’Casey’s plays. Granni Trixie reminds me of that old remark that certain mouths sohuld be opened only to service.

    As regards Ms Price: she, like her sister, is to be admired. She came from a republican family and kept true to those ideals, and she paid a very heavy price. People who have never risked shit should not throw shit.

    As regards the wankers accusing her of touting: Sean MacStiofain, to name but one, has claimed in a BBC documentary that all the Provos who went to London to chin wag with the Brits were in the IRA. He was asked if this included Adams. he replied that all were members.

    As regards Gerry Adams: he did well for himslef, did he not. £10k to appear on C$4 waffling on. All those little bits of Judas gold.

    The Provies/Adams family machine used up people and spat them out. Turning like dogs on Price is what one wexpects from dogs. And dogs understand and sometimes deserve no more than a hard clatter.

    Apologies to any four legged canines reading this.