Are Irish jokes still racist?

A man walked into a Dublin bar and saw a friend sitting with an empty glass.
‘Paddy can I buy you another’, he asked, to which Paddy replied –
‘now what would I be wanting with another empty glass?'”

ConservativeHome reports that a councillor in Medway Kent was ordered to pay compensation on racist grounds to an Irish-born union official for telling this joke. Allowing for context, surely a piece of nonsense in 2010?

  • Gaudi

    An Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman walked in to a pub.

    The barman said “Is this some kind of joke?”

    Having worked in London for a number of years I have often been subjected to ‘Oirish’ jokes. Not sure they are racist but when you are the only Irish person in a particular workplace it can certainly make you feel unwelcome. I pointed out to a number of colleagues that they could be perceived as racist, the jokes stopped. As with all jokes, context is everything.

  • David Crookes

    It’s funny. Irish, Scottish, and Welsh people can say whatever they like about English people, and that’s fair game. By contrast, if an Englishman says anything pejorative about Irish, Scottish, or Welsh people, even in jest, he’s an evil racist. Let’s have a bit of fair play. Otherwise I’m going to start up a journal called The Plangent Celt.

    One of the most ugly things about Ulster Protestants is their anti-English racism.

    Let’s all stop taking ourselves with mad seriousness. Laughter is healthy. The nerdarchs who want to enforce political correctness are principally at war with joy.

  • Skintown Lad

    Well said David. Agree totally. Far better to beat away such jibes with a broad chest and look the stronger for doing so.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Yes of course …..CONTEXT
    but it is so to speak “the way the councillor tells them”.
    Lets see.
    Oh Mr Walker youre sounding like the Daily Mail. Or a Jon Gaunt phone in. Political correctness gone maaaaaaaaaaad innit.

    CONSERVATIVE councillor
    UNION OFFICIAL.
    Irish born.

    See Id say that would not be so much racist as a Tory being a bit Thatcherite (and rooted in late 1970s)
    I daresay a lot of people from this neck of the woods would have heard the Oirish jokes…..even if they are at pains to point out their Britishness at the drop of a hat.
    But I recall thirty years ago being plagued by a colleague (on a training course in London) who had a repetoire of Oirish jokes.
    “Whats black and blue and floats upside down in the Thames”? I asked him.
    Dunno he said.
    “Well tell one more Oirish joke and youll find out”
    My advice Mr Walker is that if this worked for me near The Strand, it can work for you in Wood Lane.

    To be shure To be shure.

  • Jaggers

    Why do German shower heads have 12 holes? Because Jews only have 10 fingers! Funny? Not to Jews I bet because it ridicules them and their history at the hands of the Nazis.

    As an Irishman I can say yes the joke is funny – the Irishman in the joke confuses what is said because he is a thicko. And that’s the Irishman’s stereotype. Yes it is offensive and racist.

    As to Scottish jokes – how was wire invented? Two Scots arguing over a penny! Is that offensive to Scots? Well the basic joke is Scots are mean (negative), though others would say prudent (positive). So I’d guess that joke is less offensive, but I wouldn’t produce it to Scots I didn’t know well as friends.

    As for English jokes, not sure I’ve heard any. What’s the English stereotype – asexual, homosexual, upper-class, daft. Think I heard some French with jokes about English being sexless though can’t remember them.

  • joeCanuck

    When I have been told an Irish joke in England I have always responded with “An Englishman walks into a bar with a pig under his arm. The barman says “Where did you get that?” and the pig says “I won it in a raffle””.

  • Gaudi

    I was once asked by an English colleague if I minded that he tell an Irish joke. I said of course not as long as he didn’t mind me telling an English joke. He replied ‘Don’t be silly. There aren’t any English jokes.’ Myself and a French colleague just couldn’t stop laughing. Bless!

    I don’t take offence easily and have a pretty sick sense of humour which I share with friends. I think though that anyone who tells a joke which could be taken as racist, sexist or any other ‘ist’ in the workplace is just asking for trouble. This councillor works in local government and really should have known better. It would be great if we could all just lighten up but we can’t so perhaps it is best not to tell a joke which may be offensive. Trouble is I can’t think of single joke which isn’t offensive to someone. Isn’t that the nature of humour, it relys on stereotypes.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    There is of course a real debate to be had.It could be said that Political correctness is not a “politically correct” term. That the new PC term is “diplomatically correct”.
    This is partly because the words “politically correct” is always followed by “gone maaaaaad innit”. Enjoying the same reputation as ” ‘elf and safety innit”
    Political correctness is really about GOOD MANNERS.
    Its not rocket science.
    And if the notion of good manners is offensive to you……well it says a lot about you.
    In the 1970s how we laughed at Bernard manning and Jim Davidson. Then all of a sudden we realised this is not quite right.
    Ente Ben Elton and Alexi Sayle and the world gets better……apparently.

    Life is indeed better. “Mind Your Language” or “Love Thy Neighbour” are relics of a bygone age.
    The way we address women…or minorities….or the disabled is better than when we were in the playground in the 1950s and 1960s.
    The standard and obvious reference to OFFENCE is the judgement of the person who is “the victim”.

    If a girl in your office does not find it complimentary to have her bra strap snapped, then thats how it should be. If a black man or irish man or a white Englishman finds it offensive.

    I daresay the context is important. What passes for humour among the guys in a football changing room is possibly different to what passes for humour at a Free Presbyterian commitee meeting.

    Alas the pendulum swings. We are being invited to be racist again……but only in a post modern ironic or liberal way so that Ed Byrne, Dara O’Briain and Frankie Boyle not to mention Stephen Fry can do a Bernard Manning or Chubby Brown but only in a liberal way. And of course the Internet bless it has lowered standards.
    I suppose its all about being inclusive or exclusive. A joke can include you or exclude you.

    So what was this Tory Councillor in Medway Kent doing. Being INCLUSIVE or EXCLUSIVE. Not his call. Not my call. Its the Irish trade unionists call

  • Henry94

    If you don’t think a joke is funny, don’t laugh. But with Blasphemy laws in Ireland the Macleans case in Canada and the fear of printing cartoons everywhere then freedom of speech needs to make a comeback.

    A guy walks into a bar and asks the barmaid for a double entendre so she gave him one.

  • Jaggers

    Gaudi

    “Trouble is I can’t think of single joke which isn’t offensive to someone”

    Two children are playing in the garden, one is four and one is six. They’re discussing bad language and acting more like adults. The older boy says from now on he is going to use the word “fuck” – the younger lad doesn’t really know what that means but wants to be an adult also and says he is going to use the word “arse”.
    The mother sticks her head out the window and asks the boys what the want for dinner, the older lad says “Fuck it, Mum, I’ll have a burger and chips”. The mother dashes out grabs the older lad and marches him back in the house telling him she’ll wash out his mouth with soap and how dare he use that language. And as she goes she snaps at the younger lad what does he want for dinner and he says “I don’t know Mam but you can bet your arse it’s not burger and chips”

    Funny? And if so, offensive to whom?

  • Henry94

    Its the Irish trade unionists call

    His call was to refuse to accept the apology offered and to extract thousands of pounds in compensation

    He should not be entitled to do that. That is insane.

  • Gaudi

    Thank you for that Jaggers. It did make me laugh. Possibly offensive to those who don’t approve of swearing though….or vegetarians who don’t approve of burgers…or healthy types who don’t approve of fried food for children….or feminists who don’t like the notion that a Mum should always be responsible for the domestic chores. I could go on and on but I won’t. It was funny.

  • joeCanuck

    It’s not insane, Henry, it’s a joke. Well, beyond a joke.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    well actually Henry 94…
    the law was on the Irish trade unionists side.
    He walks off with compo……proving that English Tory councillors are extremely stupid people…..and if the compo came out of Council funds I hope they surcharge him.

    Meanwhile not an empty glass in sight down in The local Irish boozer in Medway.
    Id call it a result.

  • Greenflag

    At the Last Supper the Lord turned to Peter and said

    ‘Will you betray me ‘?

    ‘Not I Lord ‘ said Peter

    The Lord then turned to James and said

    ‘Will you betray me ‘?

    ‘Not I Lord’ said James

    The Lord then turned turned to Judas and said

    ‘Will you betray me’?

    ‘Not bleeding likely guvenor ‘ said Judas ..

  • John O’Connell

    Excellent Greenflag.

  • If an Ulster Unionist tells an Irish joke is he racially abusing himself?

  • Rory Carr

    Nice little bit of editing from ConservativeHome:

    “A spokesman for the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said:…

    ‘These sorts of matters need to be resolved as quickly as possible and any cost should be borne by the offending party, not the taxpayer.’”

    The above statement from the Telegraph web page is somehow reinterpreted by ConservativeHome to mean:

    “The Taxpayers Alliance have complained that the Council Taxpayer shouldn’t have to pay out money. Neither should Cllr Bamber.

    Just the usual whingeing from the Bufton-Tuftons that their evenings of cosy racist banter in the saloon bar, which, lacking any natural grace or wit, was all they had to entertain themselves, are now finished and they feel so lost and misunderstood.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Do Ulster Unionists tell jokes?
    I find that very hard to believe.

  • David Crooks:

    One of the most ugly things about Ulster Protestants is their anti-English racism.

    In your opinion, does this ugly trait of anti-English racism also exist amongst the Scots, Welsh and the non-“Ulster protestant” Irish?

  • David Crookes

    Thanks, oneill (#20), and yes, it does, but in different ways. Ulster Protestants at their worst (I’m one myself) believe themselves to be superior to English people! Some of them mock a man who speaks grammatically and pronounces his words properly, whether he’s English or not, as ‘very polite’. And I know it will seem unbelievable to many readers, but some of them even titter at your affectation if you address another gentleman as ‘sir’.

    Different forms of anti-English racism are found elsewhere in the UK. I remember once reading the introduction to an anthology of Caledonian verse which had been written by some ‘leading Scottish poet’. It was little more than an attack on the English race and the English language.

    My old viola teacher came from a mining village in Wales. He once told me how he sang Welsh-language Christmas carols as a member of a children’s choir outside the home of the English pit-manager. The manager and his wife were terribly touched, and brought out mince pies for the children. ‘Good thing he didn’t know what the Welsh words really meant,’ my teacher said wryly.

  • KieranJ

    Irish foreplay:

    “Brace yourself Bridie”.

  • Reader

    FitzjamesHorse: Do Ulster Unionists tell jokes?
    I find that very hard to believe.

    We do – you don’t get them.

  • Great, an excuse to lock up Jimmy Cricket and Frank Carson.

  • Greenflag

    Kieraan J

    It’s ‘Brace yourself Sheila ‘(in Australia )
    and

    ‘Brace yourself Brigid ‘in Ireland while in England

    the women lie on their backs look at the ceiling and think of England 🙂

    Question :

    ‘What do you call a Tory without arms , legs ,no teeth -deaf as a door – with his nose cut off and blind as a bat as well ‘?

    Answer :

    Trustworthy 😉

    That’s not a UCUNFER joke not yet anyway 😉

    FJH ,

    ‘ Do Ulster Unionists tell jokes?’

    They don’t have to . They are the longest running joke since Carson prosecuted Oscar Wilde for being a puffta . But don’t tell them or they won’t get it 🙂

  • Reader

    Greenflag: …since Carson prosecuted Oscar Wilde for being a puffta.
    When Carson went up against Wilde in court, Carson was working for the defence, not prosecution.

  • David Crookes

    Youse are quare comeejins.

    In Mourne country the Twelfth of July celebration used to take place in Newcastle one year, in Annalong the year after that, and in Kilkeel the year after that. One June, in the second year of a triennial cycle, a short-sighted English gentleman came to play a game of golf in Royal Country Down (sorry, that’s in Newcastle). Whenever he had done his work on a particular green he would ask his caddie where the next hole was. (‘Where’s the second?’ ‘Where’s the third?’ And so on.) At length he stood on the eleventh green, and asked, ‘Where’s the twelfth?’ ‘It’s in Annalong,’ his caddie replied at once. ‘Oh, I could never hit it that far,’ said the Englishman.

    There youse are. An Ulster unionist joke.

  • Greenflag

    The DUP candidate goes to a palm reader to prepare for the coming election :

    The palmist : ‘ I see in your hand that now —‘
    DUP man : ‘Please skip the present ‘

    Jim Allister goes to God and says

    ‘Tell me O lord how many years before the TUV overtake the UUP in the Assembly ‘?

    ‘Twenty years’ replies the Lord

    ‘Tell me then O lord how many years before the TUV overtakes the DUP in the Assembly ‘? continues Allister

    ‘Fifty years’ replies the Lord

    ‘Tell me then O Lord how many years before the TUV shares power with SF in the Assembly ‘?
    continues the bould Jim .

    ‘I don’t know ‘ replies the Lord . I don’t expect to be around then 😉

  • Greenflag

    Reader –

    Jovial license n’est ce pas ?

    Maybe this one is more accurate .

    What’s the difference between a fairy story in the DUP and a fairy story in the TUV ?

    Fairy stories in the DUP begin wuith the words

    ‘Once upon a time in the DUP there was no power sharing with SF ‘
    Fairy stories in the TUV begin with the words ‘Once upon a time there will be no power sharing with Sinn Fein ‘

    One UCUNF party candidates after the Westminster election meets another from a neighbouring constituency and says

    ‘Hey Reggie did you hear how we beat us ‘?

  • willis

    Context is everything – ah indeed.

    It is worth reading the original description of the incident in the Medway Messenger before the Torygraph and ConservingLordAshcroft’sHome got hold of it.

    http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway_messenger/news/2010/february/8/irish_joke_proves_costly_for_m.aspx

    “It began in December 2007, when Cllr Ken Bamber (Con) told an ‘Irish’ joke during a break in a meeting to discuss an appeal against dismissal.”

    Always a good time for an joke in poor taste, these appeals against dismissal, everyone is relaxed and convivial.

    “Cllr Bamber was chairing the appeal hearing when the joke was told during a break in proceedings.”

    Always good to know that the impartial chair likes to make fun of the origins of one of the advocates. Good grief we see it all the time in the High Court.

    “Cllr Bamber scribbled a note saying he apologised, but it was alleged he would not sign it or say for what he was apologising.”

    Ah yes, the non-apology apology. “Sorry that anyone without a sense of humour was offended”

  • fitzy

    big ian is putting his grandkids to bed one night and wee ian jr jr begs “granda tell us a scary story”… after some coaxing, big ian finally relents… once upon a time, there were two catholics…… now there’s fuckin millions…

    after a serious stroke (not the joke :-)), big ian falls into a coma wherein he stays for 9 long years. when he wakes, peter robinson is sitting at his bedside.

    ian asks “how long have I been asleep”

    peter reponds “9 years boss”.

    ian asks “what did i miss”

    peter asks “do you want the good news or the bad news.”

    ian says “lets start with the bad news”

    peter responds “there’s a united ireland”.

    stricken with greif, ian says “well what’s the good news then”

    peter responds “Linfield murdered Cliftonville last night”

    gleefully ian asks “what was the score?”

    robinson responds “2-10 to 1-8”

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Thank you Willis.
    I think this shows the context.
    I dont know why anyone is surprised that a Tory councillor in Kent would say anything racist.
    The British Conservative party and Racism go together…..which is why it is so good to see them join up with UUP in Norn Iron so they can add Sectarianism to their CV.

    Now sadly that ISNT an Ulster Unionist joke.

  • lamhdearg

    A joke with a jibe designed to hurt is a different animal from one meant to humor, i can read this joke and see it as protraying paddy as quite a quick whitted fellow, however thats not how it seems to have been told,add the context and it would appear its teller is an englis(no sorry i should’nt say that) twat.

  • Mack

    Yeah it’s still racist. ConservativeHome almost figures it out..

    Just as it is the Jews who are the most likely to tell Jewish jokes it is the Irish who are most likely to tell Irish jokes

    Nearly there old chap..

    Whether such jokes are offensive or not rather depends on the individual joke.

    Oops, veering of course now..

    He was overheard by an Irish-born union official, Brian Kelly, employed full time by the Council as an official with Unison.

    And then..

    But I don’t think telling this joke would constitute evidence to a reasonable person that Cllr Bamber genuinely believes the Irish are stupid or that he was seeking to stir up ill feeling against them

    Ah feck, completely lost it.

    Jewish jokes aren’t racist when Jews tell them – they are when Irishmen tell them and when Englishmen tell jokes at the expense of the Irish it may not be consciously malevolent (but neither is most racism – it’s insidious if you let, permeating everyday conversation, slowly poisoning society like minute doses of Arsenic – it builds up and is deadly in the end).

    He nearly got it, but wasn’t smart enough. Sure he’s only English I suppose, God love him.

  • Greenflag

    Fitzy

    good one that:)

    here’s a variant –

    Big Ian falls into a coma wherein he stays for 9 long years. when he wakes, Martin McGuinness is sitting at his bedside.

    Ian asks “how long have I been asleep”

    McGuinness : Not long enough but 9 years if you must ask ‘

    Ian asks “What did I miss”

    McGuiness says “Do you want the good news or the bad news.”

    Ian says “Lets start with the bad news”

    McGuninness : ‘Unionists have landed on the Moon’

    Ian: ‘ What’s the good news ‘ ?

    McGuinness: ‘All of them ‘

  • Marcionite

    a vicar, a rabbi and a priest are in a 3 way all night 7 card stud gambling session when all of a sudden, the cops raid the place

    In court, the judge arrives and asks the Vicar “how do you plead to the charge of gambling with two holy men?” to which the Vicar replied “but I wasn’t, Not Guilty your honour”

    “Hmm, alright then, case dismissed”

    next the priest gets in the dock and the judge asks him “how do YOU plead to the charge of gambling with two holy men, Father?” to which Father Sean replied “but I wasn’t, Not Guilty your honour”

    “Hmm, alright then, I can’t see you as a gambler either, case dismissed”

    Finally the Rabbi got into the dock and the judge asks
    “how do YOU plead to the charge of gambling with two holy men, Rabbi Goldman?” to which the Rabbi replied ” but who with?”

  • USA

    I have long found this joke genre to be offensive.

  • Henry94

    USA

    Offensive maybe but should that mean illegal? Should the law protect us from being offended at the expense of the right of somebody else to free speech? I think we have gone much too far down that road.

  • Laugh? I nearly yawned.

    willis @ 09:53 PM neatly puts the thing into context: Councillor Ken Bamber seems precisely the type who should never be allowed near a disciplinary hearing — let alone, as here, chairing it.

    Is it also relevant that the episode took place as long ago as 4 Dec 2007, and the report of the Local Government Standards Board from 28 March 2008? Curious how these things come back to haunt us: must be a slow news day. Oh, and one other thing: Councillor Bamber did not offer his delightful aside during a tea–break: it was in the interim between witnesses being escorted from and into the panel; and so therefore part of the proceedings. Brian Kelly had good grounds to complain.

    That apart, there are numerous English jokes: all testimony to the poisonous element of the breed:

    “English sweats” [sudor anglicus] were medieval swine flu;
    translations of “English disease” mean football hooliganism for tabloid headlines across the world;
    according to the Times, taking the lead from Rue89.com, English influence is to blame for the disappearance of the semi-colon, le point-virgule, from French writing and thought;
    “la vice anglaise” is, according to one’s taste and context, either flagellation or buggery or addiction to TV property shows …

    And so on.

    When I graduated from Trinity, and came to teach in England, I found I was “the mad Irishman” (curious for one born in Norfolk). Meanwhile I was serially ditched by an Irish girl (because I was English) and then an English one (because I was Irish). I changed my aftershave; and 40-odd years gone have been married to one from the County Armagh (which must prove something).

    So, what’s an Irish joke? One so daft an Englishman laughs at it.

  • Panic, these ones like it up em.

    This Tory councillors behaviour is a symptom of a rather foolish malaise that runs through the Tory party in Britain.

    As some one who has lived in Britain for a good length of time at different parts of my life I always felt that the Tory party was/is a cold house for Irish people or people of Irish extraction. Now there may have been more understandable reasons for this in the past (or was there)but do the Tories know how many people with relatively recent Irish ancestory are on the Island of Britain.

    It seems foolish to me to put up the “not welcome here card” to such a sizable part of the electorate

    From a cold hard political point of view it is a foolish vibe to portray to this electorate.

    I suppose “The Irish Lobby” have not been forceful enough in letting the political parties realise how the numbers add up.

    The Irish Lobby may have been too closely identified with one side (Labour) for its own good.

  • George

    Are racist jokes still racist?

  • Greenflag

    PTOLIUE,

    ‘but do the Tories know how many people with relatively recent Irish ancestory are on the Island of Britain.’

    About 25% of the population including first, second ,and third generations and that’s just from ROI (26 county area). If you include NI (6 county) and go back three more generations I would not be surprised if it was near enough to half.

    I’ve met lots of English, Scots and Welsh with obviously Irish last names (sometimes misspelt or insufficiently anglicised ) who may be dimly aware their name is Irish but have no idea when their ancestral name pitched up on Britannia’s shore .

    I recall reading some economic history tome many moons ago and being ‘startled ‘ by the fact that as early as the mid 18th century some 400,000 Irishry had domicilied in Brittania. And that was before the mass emigration of the mid to late 19th centuries .

    On the other hand some of the pupils in my primary school and later secondary had names like Churchill , Shakespeare , Cluxton , Dixon and then there was the mechanic in Co Wexford who made an emergency repair who revelled in the name of Ireton . Although a Wexfordman complete with accent and a supporter of the hurling team , he was also a Republican but then so were the Cromwellians 😉

  • Paddy

    Irish jokes of the sort Brian Walker (quelle surprise) draws our attention to have their origins in the sectsrian and racist slaughter the English brought to Ireland.

    I see a recent British case determines it is ok to say Cornish people inbreed asthey are not classified as a race.

    Though jokes depend on context, it is fair to say the Brits have an unenviable track rec ord of racism.

  • Greenflag

    george ,

    ‘Are racist jokes still racist?’

    When it comes to ‘humour’ I think the Irish, English, Scots, can laugh at themselves and each other more so than perhaps other national groups . We have our ancient stereotypes which even if no longer true or up to date are a treasure trove of material . We can laugh at Father Ted now . Back in the 1950’s or even 1960’s many Irish people would have found it offensive . I have an elderly Aunt in London who still finds Father Ted ‘offensive’ and yes thats despite the ‘revelations’ of recent years .

    The best humour -ethnic jokes -religion jokes-political satire tend to come from societies under severe political tension , stress or going through economic upheaval . Which is why Ireland , Israel , the former Eastern Europe have had often ‘excellent’ jokes . Jewish humour is in a class of it’s own which is a reflection of how the Jewish people have for a thousand years found themselves in the situation of being both admired , and respected by the surrounding european peoples and at the same time being vilified by some of the same people . Jewish humour is often an unmasking of political realities and a debunking of same . It’s also a form of resistance and a way of marking out boundaries and identities .

    I believe Irish humour is somewhat in the same vein with a bit more ‘zaniness’ thrown in – think Spike Milligan.

    And then there is the classic English political cartoonery of ‘Spitting Image ‘ which has to be one of my all time favourites . I wonder if it could be repeated these days without not coming in breach of ‘race relations’ acts ??

    Some ‘racist/ethnic/’ jokes can be so offensive to the targeted party that they could lead to a breach of the peace or in my case to a black eye and a bloody nose for some gobshite who continually refused to address me by my proper title (no not bollix) and instead used the generic ‘paddy’. He was a quick learner after he cleaned himself up and no he did’nt pursue a legal course of action for which I commended him and later bought the chap a pint to assuage his hurt feelings 🙂

    I think the best way to address this whole issue of ethnic jokes is to remember the wise words of CJ (no not that CJ ) in the well known TV series now somewhat dated ‘The Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin’ who whenever faced with a difficult choice sagely proferred

    ‘Not too much -not too little -just enough ‘

    And remember to get the context right . No point in telling an Islamic joke to a group of student Imam’s in Bradford is there ?

  • Chuck Loyola

    A black man walked into a Brixton bar and saw a friend sitting with an empty glass.
    ‘Oi Jermaine can I buy you another man’, he asked, to which Jermaine replied –
    ‘why would I want another empty glass man?’”

    racist?

  • Alias

    The term “racism” is not as loaded as it used to be. It should have been reserved exclusively for discrimination by the major racial groups, i.e. black, Asian, white, etc.

    To refer to national groups as races and to refer to white/white hate as racism simply serves to lessen the impact of the term, causing people to care less if they are ‘racists’ or not – since most of us enjoy good ethnic jokes and would thereby be deemed ‘racists.’

    That is not to say that the joke teller was innocent. If it was designed to harass the worker in the workplace then he might have a case against the joke teller on harassment grounds but not on racist grounds.

  • Paddy

    Not too much (racism) -not too little (racism) -just enough (racism).

  • Mack

    Alias –

    I think that misses the point most rascist comment is on it’s own is relatively harmless and jovial (e.g. even Ron Atkinson’s outburst). The joke is definitely racist as is the postulating by ConservativeHome and others that the fault lies with the person who takes offence (essentially the butt of the joke).

    When you add these all up though, they’re cancers on society. Anti-English rascism in Ireland is unhealthy for Irish society and these jokes are unhealthy for the English..

  • Seosamh913

    In Scotland it’s still relatively commonplace in white collar professional cicles to hear the word Irish used where a situation is intended to be being described as illogical, counter-intuitive, back to front, perverse or just plain daft. The place where that comes from is one of historic ignorance, prejudice and intolerance about the Irish (specifically, catholic Irish immigrants)and it is not simply a no-longer-meanginful ignorance we can dismiss too lightly I’m afraid. Such prejudice remains very much alive in parts of Scotland.

  • ardmaj55

    Gaudi [7] The joke in question might not really be ANTI Irish in that it’s point is not about the man with the empty glass being thick, but using a witty rejoinder to a pun effect. So it’s point isn’t necessarily racist, but it depends on the attitude of the person telling it.

  • Greenflag

    paddy ,

    ‘Not too much (racism) -not too little (racism) -just enough (racism).’

    So you have a sense of humour -Good one 😉

    ‘the place where that comes from is one of historic ignorance, prejudice and intolerance about the Irish (specifically, catholic Irish immigrants)’

    You left out ‘fear’. Everywhere in the world where large numbers of an ‘outgroup’ regardless of their skin colour or religion moves en masse to another country or even part of the same country you will find similar reactions and in particular if they are seen as an economic threat to indigenes .

    If prejudice remains extant in Scotland at least they have not descended to the NI extreme and waged mass sectarian conflict . Not yet anyway and hopefully not ever .

  • Henry94

    A man walked into a Dublin bar and saw a friend sitting with an empty glass.
    ‘Paddy can I buy you another’, he asked, to which Paddy replied –
    ‘now what would I be wanting with another empty glass?’”

    It should be, “Can I get you another. You wouldn’t offer somebody a drink with a suggestion that it had to be paid for and you couldn’t buy an empty glass anyway.

  • Henry94

    Actually you should just buy the pint without the stupid conversation. If he din’t want another one he’d be gone already.

  • ardmaj55

    Here is what might be called an anti-antisemitic joke.
    Two jew haters in a bar. One says…
    You know there are thrings i blame the jews for,
    1 the crucifixion, 2 the holocaust in the second world war, and 3 the sinking of the titanic.
    The other one, not to be outdone, says…
    I’ll grant you the first two, but how do you make out that the jews were to blame for the titanic?
    Well, said the first guy, Look at the names, Spielberg, Goldberg, Iceberg…..