At last – it’s a deal..!

THE DUP’s Assembly members have backed the proposed deal on the devolution of policing and justice. Peter Robinson says the decision was “unanimous”. The deal now goes to the party executive for ratification. The proposal extends to powers that the Executive already has, Robinson added. The British and Irish premiers seem likely to be back in Belfast very soon. Robinson said:

We have had a very constructive meeting of our assembly group and I had the opportunity to put to them proposals which we have been working on. Everyone present believes that this is consistent with our election manifesto and pledges we have made to the people. We look forward to going tomorrow to Hillsborough and the document should be published.

  • Garza

    Is it just me or was it very telling that Arlene and Sammy were the ones standing either side of Robbo? No Dodds.

  • Driftwood

    2nd prize, set of steak knives..

  • Can we expect any DUP resignations?

  • David Crookes

    PR may well feel like quoting Nietzsche as he drives home. ‘Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker’ ( = Whatever does not destroy me makes me stronger). Amazing.

  • abc123

    Unionists will need to see the detail before deciding. As it’s an internal UK matter, I assume the DUP have arranged that only Brown will come to Belfast. Or has joint authority been introduced on the DUP’s watch?

  • KieranJ

    Who blinked on the parades issue?

  • iluvni

    I hope they all have a restless night.

  • nollaig a chara

    from what i gather the P.C. will be desolved @ the end of the year replaced by……another parades commission….lol

    Should be fun watchin the DUP try and sell this one thinks they will have there work cut out

  • Bob Wilson

    If down the line we discover that PMS has been used as a bargaining chip it will be to the eternal shame of the Labour Party.
    The PMS Review should have been concluded months ago but it seems to have been sat upon.
    Would Labour stoop so low?
    I do hope the DUP are not so shallow as to publicly claim a PMS deal as a ‘victory’

  • percy

    hey unionism has crossed the rubicon.. hooray!

  • Driftwood

    I don’t like Robinson, or the DUP, or many of his clique, but fair play to him, he has signed up to sell a ‘deal’ which he had litle choice in. None of it will matter very much to 99% of people here, but you gotta wonder what all the histrionics were about. The PMS was and is a matter for the FSA and the Treasury.

    The ‘deal’ will sell, but much of the electorate
    are long past buying.

    A mid table nil each draw.

  • Cynic2

    Small fight in bar. In the end a few bruises but no-one seriously hurt

  • Henry94

    It will send a clear message to the dissidents. Touch our police and you will have no hiding place in the nationalist community. You are not wanted and you have nothing to offer.

  • georgieleigh

    Yeah I can see it already.

    DUP figleaf, climbdown, IRA in charge of the police, Allister apoplectic blah blah blah..

    An important milestone on the road to nowhere.

    Move along folks, there’ll be another crisis any year soon.

  • Marcionite

    About bloody time. I can get a table for two at the Hillside in the evenings now. Hurrah

  • Stephen Blacker

    Yeha! The deal is done and everyone in reported to be happy. That means there will be no spin or fudge when the details come out.

    It was worth the long wait folks, and we had the nerve to call them jokes, shame on us. The real reason the DUP/SF dragged this out is because the 5th of Feb is “World Nutella Day”

  • David Crookes

    February 5th is St Adelaide’s Day. Does ‘the St Adelaide’s Agreement’ sound acceptable to everyone?

    Time for bed.

  • nollaig a chara

    I still think it’l fall apart

  • Banjaxed

    Garza: ‘Is it just me or was it very telling that Arlene and Sammy were the ones standing either side of Robbo? No Dodds.’

    Here’s the picture. The only people on the DUP negotiating team, from Day One, apart from Peter, were Robinson loyalists – Sammy, Arlene, Poots, and maybe one or two others. Dodds has *never* been part of that squad. He has always been very assiduous in keeping equidistant from Robbo’s ‘Outreachery’ (did I say that??) to Allister’s ‘No Touchery’. And you thought ‘Justin Casey’ was merely another brand of condom! 😉

    That’s Robbo’s main problem. He has to (re)sell anything agreed inside to the people listening outside, aka Continuity/Real/Oglaigh DUP. And this is even long before he talks to the ‘Community’ for ‘Confidence’.

  • JohnM

    Finally. Thank fuck for that.

    Now, I presume Gregory and Jeffrey will be on their way first thing in the morning?

  • al

    We all knew it would happen. I didn’t expect tonight though. Give it a few days they’ll be bitching again.

  • Marcionite

    Some late night notes:
    the SDLP won’t be one bit happy about missing out on ministry according to the Pyjama Agreement (P+J).

    Maggie or Ali will threaten to resign and tumbleweed blows down the street.

    It will enhance the Alliance Party.

    Worse countries than NI control their own police eg Nicaragua, Chad, Somalia so why not us?

    I wish I invested in a Fenians Mutual Society

    How soon will there be talks on devolving The Foreign Office? Possible trade offs : the first Ulster Embassy opens in Vatican, overseen by Edwin Poots, Minister for Trying Out Fenian Things Like Singing, Dancing, Theatre & Playing

    The Robinsons will be the new Hamiltons. Did I see Louis Theroux make his way to Castlereagh this evening?

    Slugger threads will become boring, taken up with unimportant topics like education, health and the economy.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Ah good……I can sleep as soundly as a Presbyterian Mutual society investor tonight.

  • Alias

    I’m surprised that he got “unanimous” backing for the deal. Either the party calculated that it was best practice to brazen/bullshit it out with a united front or they got a great deal.

  • David Crookes

    Bravo bravissimo, Marcionite (#22).

    What a day it has been! If the deal represents a defeat for nastiness and negativity, it can’t be all bad.

  • georgieleigh

    Like Dennis Wise And Evander Sno, you are undeserving of your surname David.

  • someone

    the first Ulster Embassy opens in Vatican, overseen by Edwin Poots, Minister for Trying Out Fenian Things Like Singing, Dancing, Theatre & Playing

    Hahahaha 🙂

  • David Crookes

    Georgie, when I think of Isaiah’s son Maher-shalal-hash-baz, I don’t complain.

    Presently, as we reflect on Marcionite’s bravura #22, we may realize that Edwin Poots has done a good deal of ‘reaching out’ over the last couple of years. More power to him.

    I should really go to bed now in case I write something stupid.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Yes full marks to Edwin Poots.

  • PaddyReilly

    How annoying. I was so looking forward to an election.

    Trouble is the DUP weren’t.

    This is cruelty to anoraks.

  • Kevsterino

    It will be interesting to see how the Justice department will function in relation to the executive.

    How independent will the Minister be? I mean, he has to be accountable to the local politicians, doesn’t he? And goodness knows, some of those local politicians are republicans. Shoot, soon maybe even the First Minister is gonna be a republican. Although there is already a co-first minister who has a republican background.

    How does that wash with the DUP promising Sinn Fein will not have any control over Policing and Justice?

  • GEF

    ‘It will be interesting to see how the Justice department will function in relation to the executive. How independent will the Minister be? I mean, he has to be accountable to the local politicians, doesn’t he?’

    Kevsterino, The P & J minister will be just as accountable to the the executive as all other ministers are. Until a new assembly election in 2011/12 it seems to be the DUP & SF proposal that David Ford Alliance take this post. Both the SDLP and UUP are totally against this and could cause further controversy in the assembly. They believe the post should go to the SDLP.

    After the 2011/12 assembly election the P & J minister’s post will be allocated according to the de-hondt system like all other ministers posts. The largest party ( which Unionists fear could be Sinn Fein) could then chose P & J as their first choice of ministers posts. We will have to wait and see for election results.

  • And Iris bought a bed too good old Robbo he has been a busy chappie.

  • Cynic2

    The Devil will be in the detail …..as Jim Allister might say

  • PACE Parent

    No UUP MLAs at the photo op at the Stormont plenary this morning. No TUV endorsement of blank check writing either. Common sense at last from the UUP but perhaps too little and too late.
    It seems that the DUP have put themselves out on a limb. Can’t wait for the “selling” programme to begin.

  • Scaramoosh

    A defining moment for both the TUV and dissident Republicanism.

  • This deal will do nothing for the alleged ‘middle ground’, as the DUP and Sinn Fein were, ultimately, able to agree.

  • Henry94

    A defining moment for both the TUV and dissident Republicanism.

    Yes but in different ways. TUV are offering a clear democratic choice to unionists and will probably benefit to some degree from a diehard vote.

    But the dissident republicans have no such coherence. This deal is bad news for them. There is a need for a republican opposition with an alternative strategy but trying to shoot Catholic policemen and burning down furniture shops isn’t it.

    If there is any more to them than incoherent rage now is the time to prove it.

  • Alias

    True, Jenny, but look at how much progress they’ve made with 16 years of intensive intergovernmental training and a large dose of bribery and coercion. In another 16 years, they’ll have advanced to the point where the State can bribe or coerce them since most of these touts and tossers with plenty to hide will have retired by then. Then the disagreements can begin in earnest…

    Henry, there is a need for Irish nationalism but I think you will find if you study Cowen’s recent remarks (Brian Walker has a thread) that it has been ‘neutralised’ to ensure that it presents no opposition to the emergence of British nationalism as its co-equal/replacement.

    In any other state, a government that made those remarks would be hounded out of office for treason. It is a clear breach of the first article of the Irish constitution – a statement that the independence and sovereignty of the Irish nation is not to be defended and that the State may be disbanded according to the uncontested dynamics of an active British nationalism.

  • Alias

    Typo: “In another 16 years, they’ll have advanced to the point where the State [b]can’t[/b] bribe or coerce them since most of these touts and tossers with plenty to hide will have retired by then.”

  • Henry94

    Alias

    Brian Cowen doesn’t have the last word on nationalism. Fianna Fail chickened out of becoming an all-Ireland party. Sinn Fein must aim at replacing them and should forget all about ever going into power as their junior partner.

  • McGrath

    There will soon be nothing left to talk about on this site. Pete B and Fair Deal have been silenced already.

  • David Crookes

    Someone was talking about ‘snowmen’ on BBC Radio Ulster twenty minutes ago. Maybe we should interview Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. They haven’t won any elections either.

  • Jaggers

    One immediate change is the increased use of the teanga as Gaeilge – witness Gearoid’s phrasing and Marty’s more extended introduction just now.. Time for the BBC and others to have translators on hand but here’s the dilemma, if the translators speak over the Gaelic, then they will be downplaying the importance of the language.

  • JohnM

    Jaggers:

    Not really much need at the moment – Martin repeated in English what he had just said in Irish. I would imagine that it will stay like this for a while…

  • It always painful to listen to the Irish language being strangled by amateurs at press conferences. It probably took Martin McGuinness as long to memorise his opening statement, as it did to reach agreement.

    Well done to all of them. I hope all will gain from this advance.

  • percy

    “Yes but in different ways. TUV are offering a clear democratic choice to unionists and will probably benefit to some degree from a diehard vote”

    Henry, unpick that and there’s no commitment to democracy from the TUV,
    as they refuse to accept SF’s mandate in a shared future

  • Jaggers

    Well, sin e, now that the press conference has ended without any public handshake (needs a Clinton to embarass them into it I suppose). I wonder when the next “last piece of the jigsaw” – the North-South bodies – will emerge as a crisis.

  • I wonder if the cretin who wanted McGuinness and Robinson to shake hands reads Slugger. If he does I would just like to say.

    “YOU MORON YOU ARE WASTED ON REAL JOURNALISM, YOU SHOULD BE WORKING FOR THE STARRRR!

  • J Kelly

    This week’s work has prepared the ground for the next phase.

    It is all about advancing the rights of citizens. That is a continuous process. This agreement is a staging post.

    Quote from Gerry Adams, this is why republicans are behind the SF leadership.

  • J Kelly

    Did he happen to mention the abuse of his niece and the rape of two girls.

    S/F are still facing serious problems if the above is not dealt with properly and professionally.

  • Rory Carr

    A thought please for poor Lord Morrow (“no devolution of policing and justice in the life of this assembly”), henceforward destined only to be remembered as ‘Lord Yesterday’.

  • I think both M McGuinness and P Robinson, have it in them to be great politicians.

    If nothing else these protracted negotiations have shown that both men know when to talk and when to shut up.

    Lord Morrow could learn from their example.

  • J Kelly

    So could Gregory Campbell and Willie McCrea no one will tell me that these two slept easy last night. It looks like the power dynamic has shited from Dodds, Morrow and Campbell to Potts, Wilson and Foster. Haven’t heard any reaction from Jim Allister he has to be rubbing his hands.

  • tacapall

    The First Minister and deputy First Minister will oversee an exercise of examining the St Andrews Agreement and identifying all matters contained within it “which have not been faithfully implemented or actioned”.

    Interesting choice of words, I wonder who that is aimed at.

  • J Kelly

    He was on BBC lunchtime news and I have to say I sensed a certain smug regret in the air.

    Today as for several years now wiser heads have prevailed and I am happy for the north.

    Reason to be happy: everyone has been given the opportunity to grow together.

  • IanR

    From Mark Devenport’s blog:

    “for now, I think commentators can be forgiven a sense of jubilation – that’s not a political statement, just a human reaction for the prospect of getting some time off.”

    I would like to add that for followers of Slugger, there will also be a sense of jubilation that we won’t any longer have to trawl through Pete Baker’s tangled cross-referencing webs of single transferable posts on the subject of target dates and deadlines…

  • tacapall

    ‘Which have not been faithfully implemented or actioned.’

    Well now, you pays your money and you takes your choice,

    Only in the north could you have such a ‘deal’ but only in the north would you need one. I say good luck to them, we have moved a step closer together.

  • Greenflag

    And lo and behold the pharisses and the leaders of the Party of God cried out in a loud voice unto their people and said ‘

    ‘We have approached the edge of the abyss and have peereth down to the uttermost depths and have seen the electoral rocks that the Lord has prepared for our discomfort and we have turned our backs on the Lord and have said ‘

    No thanks .

    And the party of the non chosen stood aways off and while some of their party muttered under the breaths ‘jump ye misbegotten bastards jump ‘ not a few of their number whispered silent sighs of relief .

    And the people of Northern Ireland most of them poured their cornflakes into the bowl this morning and said

    ‘Thank christ that’s that lot over for another few weeks ‘ 😉

  • Henry94

    IanR

    You never had to. Once you understood that he was missing the political reality the legalistic dissertations were purely for the enthusiast.