Gerry Adams replies to Sunday Tribune on latest cover-up charges

In the interests of fairness and to show we’re not beating up on the hard pressed President, here in full is Gerry Adams ‘s reply to the Sunday Tribune allegations, Not through a proxy or spokesperson, but in his own words.

What Suzanne Breen failed to say was that neither she nor the Sunday Tribune had asked me any questions. Neither did they ask me for an interview and no attempts were made to contact me. Neither Suzanne Breen nor any other Sunday Tribune journalist bothered to turn up at any of the press events I hosted.

Continues below the fold.Gerry Adams continues..

The PSNI letter explicitly advises me to refrain from speaking to the media about the case as it could possibly prejudice any future trial.

With this advice in mind I showed the questions from the Sunday Tribune to my solicitor Seamus Collins of PJ McGrory & Co. His advice is that he agrees with the contents of the letter from the PSNI that I should refrain from commenting further about these matters and he has advised me in the strongest terms not to respond to these questions.

Nothwithstanding this, it is my intention and with my solicitors advice in mind, to deal with the matters you raise on the basis that what follows is already in the public domain.

…professional advice and experience convinced me that my role was to support the victims, protect the victim’s right to anonymity

I did not tell anyone in Sinn Féin of the allegations. There has been no cover up by Sinn Féin. The party did not know of the allegations against Liam Adams.

Neither was there any cover-up by me. The facts are straightforward: when Áine made her allegations against her father it was one of my family members who accompanied her and her mother to the Social Services. The RUC were also informed. The statutory bodies with responsibility for dealing with child sexual abuse know of these allegations. The manner in which they then dealt with this requires scrutiny. The Sunday Tribune has conducted no such scrutiny. The RUC received a complaint of sexual abuse of a minor. What did it do?

I only became aware on one occasion of his membership of the party. That was in 1997 when I heard that he was thinking of putting his name forward as a candidate. I blocked that and moved to get him to withdraw from the party.

I was not aware that he later involved himself with Sinn Féin in Lower Andersonstown .

When he worked in the Clonard Youth Club I tried to get him to leave and when he wouldn’t I ensured that the authorities in Clonard were made aware of the allegation. It has also since transpired that the RUC cleared him to work in this project despite being aware of the allegation.

  • Pete Baker

    Brian

    I linked to that on Monday.

    And pointed out some of the problems with Gerry’s version of events.

  • Jaggers

    Jesus, this is like Groundhog Day. Gerry’s made his statement. Mick will still want to know how he “ensured the authorities in Clonard were made aware of the allegation” and why if Gerry Adams “moved to get him to withdraw from the party” in 1997 was he apparently chairing meetings and acting for SF in Belfast in the early 2000s. The Gerry Brigade still want to know why the RUC didn’t apparently investigate the allegation and whether they acted inappropriately when the allegation was made. So as it’s Groundhog Day cue the howls of protest from the usual suspects until we get another missive from the man himself…

  • Brian Walker

    Sorry Pete! I lost it in the thicket. So now we’re doubly fair!

  • What is the Sunday World’s big story for this week-end?

  • I so hope his brother pleads not guilty.

    It does not mention the latest claims. perhaps there will be another statement on them, with no doubt as many holes.

  • Why did the first part of this statement not get said at the outset, as surely “The PSNI letter…” was proferred a year ago when the complaint was reactivated? That way GA wouldn’t have needed to say anything… and he could have reasonably requested others not to put their oar in. Bit late trying to shut the door now.

    This is an awful muddle.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Pete, will you be applying the same forensic thoroughness to the RUC and Social Services’ version of events – that is, if we ever get them?

    Will you even be asking why we haven’t got their versions or what Suzanne Breen, The Tribune and the Irish News have done to uncover them?

    Well?

    See the story officially died today. The Irish News dropped it like a hot brick. Wonder why? Hmmmm.

    Interesting that this happened the morning after Stoop-in-Chief Attwood sounded panicky up in Stormont about the ‘personal’ stuff damaging the peace process.

    More like Alex getting a sense of the growing backlash at the witchhunt. Maybe Attwood does have a modicum of the common touch after all – regardless of his bizarre accent.

  • heamaisbharney

    I am sure I read somewhere thyat Aine Tyrell’s mother denied being accompanied by a member of the Adams family and did Gerry not claim originally that his family member had accompanied them to the RUC rather than to social services?

  • mayday

    Folks this is all fascinating. The stuff of Jackanory. Where shall we begin. Firstly, why did Aine feel it necessary to visit uncle Gerry and inform him? Was he the only relative to have been informed of the alleged abuse? Were the parents of other children in the Adams family circle not informed so that they could protect their children? If other members of the adult Adams community were aware of the allegations was there an agreed collective covenant of silence such as existed over the abuse by Adams senior on Gerry’s siblings? What does Gerry mean by ‘I knew that he (Liam) was involved in Republican circles’ – is this code for a volunteer? How did Gerry learn that Liam was putting his name forward as a Candidate in Louth? … the questions are endless. The answers unknown but the result was that children in West Belfast and Louth were exposed to risk. A veil of silence that even the abusive clergy would have taken pride in.

  • UW, believe the accent is what happens when Cork meets Belfast suburbs. Could be wrong.

  • Pete Baker

    UW

    It might not be what you wanted, but I’ve already mapped out the changes in the legal requirements/options for the police and social services.

    And the questions that arise from that.

    Brian

    Doubly fair?!

  • Stewart

    ‘Neither Suzanne Breen nor any other Sunday Tribune journalist bothered to turn up at any of the press events I hosted.’

    I thought that strange at the time of the initial Tribune story. Breen was live on the Politics show with Fionnuala O’Connor going on about Gerry Adams avoiding her, yet she never bothered travelling the three miles from Ormeau Avenue to Andersonstown that same afternoon to question Adams, even though the BBC, UTV, RTE, Cool FM etc.. were all in attendence.

  • Alias

    Did Suzanne Breen get an invite? I seem to recall a story from last year (or maybe the year before) where the Shinners were proudly declaring her persona non grata, giving her the cold shoulder and refusing to answer her questions.

  • Alias

    Actually, here is that story (from 2007):

    [i]The Northern Ireland editor of the Sunday Times, Liam Clarke, and northern editor of the Sunday Tribune, Suzanne Breen, have claimed they have been refused access to candidates as a “punishment”.

    Clarke told Press Gazette: “They have always operated a policy of only inviting favoured journalists to press briefings with leadership. They also restrict the media they will issue press statements to. But this blacklisting goes beyond such practices.

    “Recently I had arranged to go on a canvass with a candidate who had given me a telephone interview. About an hour later, he rang me back and said he couldn’t speak to me until after the election. When I asked him if he had been ‘ordered from on high”, he confirmed that he had, laughed and said: ‘You don’t seem to be flavour of the month.'”

    He added: “I’ve had politicians being annoyed at things I’ve written, but I’ve never known this to happen with a party.”

    Breen said: “I have previously written stories about dissent within the movement and Sinn Féin’s response seems to be to punish the journalists. It’s a way to influence journalists.

    They’ll say: ‘Don’t go after these stories — we will withdraw co-operation if you do.’

    “This behaviour is unprecedented in my experience in Northern Ireland.

    “I phoned up asking for access to one of their candidates in Derry and I was told that she was available but wasn’t available to the Sunday Tribune or to myself.

    “When looking for access to candidates in another constituency, I was told no candidates were available to me and there would be no co-operation during the election campaign for myself or the Sunday Tribune.

    “I feel that this is very much a punishment for writing stories that they don’t like.”[/i]

  • Stewart

    ‘Did Suzanne Breen get an invite?’

    I doubt an invite was required Alias as it was held outdoors on the former Andersonstown police station site, which is a piece of waste ground at the junction of two busy main roads.

    Perhaps she had to get home for her sunday roast!

  • crazy fenian 32

    pheeter & bwian

    you,s 2 wanna catch yurselfs on yas big mary janes as i said before if it,s not news put it in yer pocket an rub it. Ya never know might make ya hard.

  • Cynic2

    If that’s happening then the media have a simple duty to report the truth on the stories they have and boycott as SF Press Conferences where they spew out the lies and propaganda. If Gerry doesn’t want to appear on the media or answer impertinent questions, perhaps he should simply be left to rely on his mate Martin as his only media outlet.

  • Scaramoosh

    “A veil of silence that even the abusive clergy would have taken pride in.”

    I think it was Martin Meehan who once said that joining the IRA was a bit like joining the priesthood.

  • Mick Fealty

    Crazy,

    You are out of here.

    UW,

    You seem to know a great deal more about the Tyrell case than is in the public domain. If you have further information, you should share it with us.

    What we’ve discovered about the Cahill case was that the IRA approached her and managed her ofr a year, and told not to go near the RUC or the Social Services.

    What makes you think it was any different for Aine Tyrell?

  • Perhaps the BBC should call in a Slugger blogger to go over that GA timeline. Instead, on Good Morning Ulster, they wheeled in Mairtin O’Muilleoir to smooth over some of the rumples in the presidential suit!!

    He dropped in the word ‘co-ordinated’ with reference to an alleged press campaign against the president but hastily withdrew it saying it was the wrong word to use.

  • Brian Walker

    Pete, Yes, doubly fair in the sense that we report Mr Adams having his say. Even in an opinionated blog, fairness is important, I believe. Fairness still accommodates your critique. I simply forgot your post and didn’t scroll down far enough through the heavy traffic.

  • Elf-een

    “What we’ve discovered about the Cahill case was that the IRA approached her and managed her ofr a year, and told not to go near the RUC or the Social Services.”

    Mick my reading of that case was that the IRA told her to go to social services but she didnt want to which of course as a victim is her perogitive. I think these cases are disturbing enough without adding bits on.

  • Mick Fealty

    Elf-een,

    You can certainly read that from what’s made it into the public domain, but you can read any number of things into what’s in the public domain since the stated facts are so few. None of them justified on what has yet been released about the case.

    And for some reason, known only to themselves, the BBC chose not to put that victims statement into the public domain but, rather, ran with the refutation of her story in the Sunday Tribune.

    But she is crystal clear on the matter. She did not invite the IRA into her life at any stage. They came to her and did not leave her alone for a year after they heard what she’d confided in a friend.

    And they were VERY clear with her about what the consequences of her going to Social Services or the RUC.

  • Ulick

    Mick are you trying to say that you are privy to facts about this case that the rest of us aren’t? Considering how ‘disingenuous’ (to say the least) Suzanne Breen was in reporting the X case, how are we to know you are not doing the same and spinning it to suit yourself or indeed, how is anyone to know your ‘facts’ are ‘facts’ at all?

    Seems to me that pulling the Eileen Calder card of ‘I know something your don’t’, is a pretty unconvincing way to engage in a debate about matters in the public domain.

  • Mick Fealty

    Yes. And I’m hoping to make them public fairly shortly. You will find out soon enough.

    In the meantime, it is important to note that some of the assumptions which have been aiding people in their personal attacks have much more to do with what they do not know about this and the other case than what they do.

    In the meantime, we all should draw a primary lesson from one consistent facet of this story: whatever seems to the case at any one moment in time is not necessarily sustained at the next turn.

  • KateMcC

    The details of who approached who or who said what is distracting from the fundamental issue at the heart of this matter. The attempt at the character assasination of Breen and Calder is nothing more than shooting the messenger, and falls into the ‘whataboutery politics’ category, road to nowhere.
    An inquiry into the child abuse and its cover up by all parties and organisations since 1922 and particularly the past 40 years should be instigated.
    As Bernadetter McAliskey and others have commented, this isn’t about one person but a whole society. There are enough existing bodies who could co-ordinate and implement such an inquiry.
    On Attwood,his interpretation of child abuse as a private affair is unhelpful to the victims and society, there is or should not be any such thing as ‘private crime’.

  • Ulick

    Mick, I fail to see why you think these are ‘personal attacks’ on Breen. Are we not allowed to question her work or her motives without being accused of launching ‘personal attacks’?

    Gerry A undoubtedly still has questions to answer about his handling of his brother but the manner in which Breen conducted her investigation (identifying the victim of X, releasing details when she was requested not to do so, not following up her stories, etc., etc.,) seems on the face of it very shoddy unprofessional – especially when one considers how she is being lauded as a great investigative journalist.

  • Jaggers

    Mick

    “She did not invite the IRA into her life at any stage. They came to her and did not leave her alone for a year after they heard what she’d confided in a friend.

    And they were VERY clear with her about what the consequences of her going to Social Services or the RUC. ”

    Let’s hear what the “VERY clear” means and who precisely the IRA are in that context.

  • TellMeMa

    Mick: will you be publishing an article about what you know in one of the London Sunday newspapers?

  • Elf-een

    “But she is crystal clear on the matter. She did not invite the IRA into her life at any stage. They came to her and did not leave her alone for a year after they heard what she’d confided in a friend.”

    Mick one of the positive aspects that may come from this sorry mess is that paramilitary figures will finally realise they are not a substitute for a police service and they should certainly not be attempting to deal with the very complicated issue of sexual abuse as their input is nothing more than distructive.
    However it is also worth making mention for the contributors not privy to the ‘laws’ of such communities the circumstances which have allowed this sort of ‘in house’ justice to continue unchallanged for so long.
    Ms Cahill by her own admission was a Sinn Fein member and the ST report stated she remained as such working for a number of organisations with strongly republican links such as the west Belfast festival until quite recently long after this abuse and this IRA farce of an ‘investigation’ took place.
    On one hand you have woman who needs help and justice and more importantly the police on the other a misplaced loyalty or desire for whatever reason to remain within the republican circle which has treated her so badly.
    And its not just confined to republicans, I’ve also seen similar victims in loyalist communities I’ve worked in where young women are drawn to this very cartel type social circle they should be running a mile from.
    But because of a desire to be seen or be among the seemingly top tier of the small communities they are living in they continue associating with the very people who have abused them or at best turned a blind eye to their abuse.
    Its very sad and a cycle that needs to be broken.

  • sluggisht

    Elf-een, that reads a very long-winded way of saying “She asked for it”.

    Between that and your previous attacks on the Rape Crisis Centre it’s hard not to think of you as a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    Then again it is easy to misinterpret begrudgery.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “Let’s hear what the “VERY clear” means”

    I believe there are as yet undiscovered Amazonian tribesmen who would have little difficulty working out what that means. Are you serious?

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “a number of organisations with strongly republican links such as the west Belfast festival”

    I can see how that might attract a writ. Nice one Elf.

    “Elf-een, that reads a very long-winded way of saying “She asked for it”. ”

    Well obviously if she worked for Feile…

  • Elf-een

    I completely agree.

    Vulnerable young people, placing their faith and loyalty in the cause, were easy to abuse, and very persuadable. The difficulty they faced in telling of abuse, meant they were also telling they were not as valued to the movement as they wanted to believe and perhaps wanted others to believe.

    It happened on all sides, a toxic mess that must be cleaned out for good.

  • west belfast

    Why is it such a shock that the IRA were piss poor in handling and investigating this? The only options open to them were do nothing or shoot someone.

    As for the personal attacks on Suzanne Breen – its very noble for fellow journalists to rally round her but it just feels like she has a personal vendetta against Adams.

    I look forward to hearing Micks revelations to see if Adams comes under any pressure. As far as I can see there is no pressure on him from the SF electorate.

  • Elf-een

    “Elf-een, that reads a very long-winded way of saying “She asked for it”. “
    Well obviously if she worked for Feile…”

    There are no circumstances when any victim ‘asks for it’ as you so crudely put it. My point was that the hold and possibly glamour that these organisations on both sides seem to hold over vulnerable young women has allowed this type of coverup of abuse to continue for so long.
    I have been in west Belfast to attend certain political and literary events hosted by the west Belfast festival.
    I thinks its a great community festival. However, its not the best place to be if you’re trying to avoid being in the company of members of SF or the IRA for that matter.

  • Elf-een

    “Between that and your previous attacks on the Rape Crisis Centre it’s hard not to think of you as a wolf in sheep’s clothing”

    Are you so arrogant to believe that unless I agree with the ST and engage in the predictable unquestioning diatribe that many of you seem happy enough with then I’m what, a plant? Paranoia, there is treatment avalable for that you know.

  • sluggisht

    However, its not the best place to be if you’re trying to avoid being in the company of members of SF or the IRA for that matter.
    __________________________________________

    Or wearing a short skirt or not saying no loud enough, eh?

    Your sheepskin’s falling.

  • sluggisht

    Are you so arrogant to believe that unless I agree with the ST and engage in the predictable unquestioning diatribe that many of you seem happy enough with then I’m what, a plant? Paranoia, there is treatment avalable for that you know.
    _______________________________________________

    If the sheepskin fits … though in your case, you might want to see a tailor.

  • Elf-een

    Or wearing a short skirt or not saying no loud enough, eh?

    Your sheepskin’s falling.

    You’re a very silly little person. Too closed minded to see the wider picture. Instead of trying to attack me why dont you debate the issue at hand.
    I was referring to the culture of acceptance in its wider context.
    If you were raped by a member of the PSNI and it was appaulingly investigated by members of the PSNI would you then apply for a job working in Newforgelane?
    This wouldnt happen in so called middle class communities because that culture of acceptance doesn’t exist and its that ‘keep it all in house’ situation that needs to be addressed in order to ensure no repeat of these awful cases.
    If you dont understand that point maybe I could draw you a nice picture you could colour it in with some crayons see if that helps you comprehend.

  • sluggisht

    Come a little closer, said Elf-een to Sluggisht.

    My, what big eyes you have! Sluggisht observed.

    The better to see you with, my dear, Elf-een coyly replied.

    My, what big claws you have! Sluggisht noticed.

    The better to hold you in my embrace with, my dear, Elf-een cooed.

  • sluggisht

    Your claims about rape not happening in middle class communities, or the desire of young women to belong being the reason they end up in harm’s way (either by going to Feile events or living on Newforgelane, or, indeed, wearing short skirts or going to the ‘wrong’ bar) is as ridiculous as your pretence that you are on the victims’ (any victims) side.

    I understand completely what you are saying and what you are at.

  • People living in those communities, loyalist or republican were under enormous pressure.

    It was ‘illegal’ to complain about anything to the police.

    It was ‘admirable’ to be a member of the cause.

    People had no choice but to go to the local ‘enforcers’ with their complaints. If those complaints were ignored or neglected, it did not and does not mean that the whole movement was at fault. It is quite possible to be working for the cause and avoiding some members of that cause. It also means there are the now well known questions to answer.

    Now it seems if we are not defending Ms Breen we are defending Sinn Fein. No, that is not what this is, or should be about.

  • sluggisht

    Pippakin as I understand Elf-een’s comments, they have nothing to do with Ms Breen and are speaking about the experience of Ms Cahill. In any case, my comments have nothing to do with Ms Breen.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “it did not and does not mean that the whole movement was at fault.”

    Of course it does. You say going to the police was “illegal”, by which you assume you accept that those who spoke to the police against the wishes of the IRA were routinely murdered. I don’t see how anyone could remain a member of the movement in conscience unless they accepted that state of affairs as in some way justifiable.

  • Sluggisht

    I was not referring to you, I must say I admire your prose. If I ever get a red cloak I will be wary of all comers.

    My point was about the general way this debate appears to be going.

  • Jimmy-Sands

    I believe it is quite possible to know some things about an organisation without knowing others.

    I cannot believe that everyone in these communities knew child abuse and rape were, allegedly, being committed on a regular basis and did nothing and said nothing. If we are not afraid for our children, we are strange indeed.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    Pippakin,

    That wasn’t my point. No-one in the communities could conceivably have been unaware that talking to the police against the wishes of the IRA would get you murdered. No member of the organisation can credibly claim not have accepted that position.

  • Elf-een

    “Your claims about rape not happening in middle class communities, or the desire of young women to belong being the reason they end up in harm’s way (either by going to Feile events or living on Newforgelane, or, indeed, wearing short skirts or going to the ‘wrong’ bar) is as ridiculous as your pretence that you are on the victims’ (any victims) side.”

    Where did I say rape didnt happen in middle class communities, I said this slavish loyalty to a cause and protecting its reputation at all costs isnt the norm in those sections of society. And I didnt say attending events as you could accidently come accross your attacker in Tesco it shouldnt stop you eating.
    My point was very clear, you wouldn’t purposely put yourself in a place/situation where you knew that you would meet your attacker and the people who so unsatisfactorily ‘investigated’ your attack on an almost daily basis.
    It is 2010 and we need to move on to place where these organisations no longer wield this power and their attraction to younger members male or female is not so appealing.
    Now play nice and stop trying to put words in my mouth I’m quite capable of speaking for myself.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “My point was very clear, you wouldn’t purposely put yourself in a place/situation where you knew that you would meet your attacker and the people who so unsatisfactorily ‘investigated’ your attack on an almost daily basis.”

    That’s rather like saying a woman raped at work should quit her job. I don’t think you’ve really thought this through.

  • sluggisht

    My point was very clear, you wouldn’t purposely put yourself in a place/situation where you knew that you would meet your attacker and the people who so unsatisfactorily ‘investigated’ your attack on an almost daily basis.
    ________________________________________

    The better to eat you with, my dear! NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

  • Elf-een

    “That’s rather like saying a woman raped at work should quit her job. I don’t think you’ve really thought this through.”

    In normal circumstances a woman raped at work would go to the police who would arrest her attacker and he would be suspended if not sacked until convicted.
    And in normal circumstances a woman wouldnt then willingly go seek employment in the same company as her attacker.
    My point is these arnt normal circumstances.

  • Suzanne Breen and Mary Lou McDonald ding dong today on Pat Kenny show.

  • Elf-een

    The suggestion seems to be a victim would give up the life she knew, the cause she believes in, and run, to start again somewhere else

    It is always difficult for the victim in a rape case, as a recent trial here shows. In such claustrophobic republican circles it must have been almost impossible to do more than make sure that if they did meet, it was in a crowd.

    It is not for us to judge what is or is not acceptable or predictable behaviour in victims.

  • Elf-een

    Pippakin I’m not saying her behaviour was unacceptable in fact its very understandable in the circumstances. What I’m saying is to stop a repeat of it the lure of these organisations needs to be broken.
    My point was in so called normal society you wouldnt go and place yourself in a situation where you would be likely to meet your attacker daily. Thats emotional self harming.
    But this is not a normal society and we can only hope that what these cases do, if any good is to come from this, is stop this kind of mafia style tell no one but the boys culture.

  • Paddy

    3.Suzanne Breen and Mary Lou McDonald ding dong today on Pat Kenny show.

    I guess Marty Lou joined the band too late. Last stage out of Pervie ville and all that.

    The Pervie mindset must be decommissioned. It even infects the Dublin 4 set. If Mary Lou was unelectable before, look at her situation now.

    Bring back Bernie McA: a lady with class, a conscience and a lovely singing voice.

  • Elf-een

    Sorry! I completely agree, it has been the terrible atmosphere these people had to live in that has been the cause. Allowing sadists and child abusers to move in and take advantage of situations.

    I would like to see every one of these ‘cosy’ little gang structures borken up.

  • Paddy

    I could not agree more!

    If they are not careful the parties most closely associated with loyalist or republican areas and abuse will lose all credibility.

    It is not for a member to say ‘it is not true and nothing to do with us’. Any parties implicated must suspend, await the result of investigations or trials, and base their actions on the outcomes.

    In the case of the security services and social services, any investigation into them will have to await the result of any/all trials, which is normal practice since to act before trial could be said to influence the outcome, and we cant have that.

    I have not been able to downnload the Pat Kenny interviews and would be grateful if a direct link could be shown on slugger.

  • Brian MacAodh

    Is anyone else over this fucking scandal?

    You mean the Provos contained some creeps and their organization covered up and intimidated vicitims for them? Wow, what a revelation. I thought they were all modern day Pearse’s and Kevin Barrys.

  • Paddy

    So Brian, that makes it ok. The Pervies raped little children, who should get over it. Let’s leave their other stomach churning acheivements to one side for now. It is really amazing that child rapists have their defenders.

  • Brian

    I sincerely hope we are not over this ‘fucking scandal’.

    Questions have not been answered.

    The intelligence of the public has been insulted, and the old republican ‘shut up youre nobody’ has prevailed.

    I hope sites like this one keep up the pressure.

  • Brian MacAodh

    I’m not sure how I’m defending child rapists. Obviously those that can be prosecuted should, and these people should be investigated.

    What I meant is that I’m just over giving a shit about any new detail coming out or any new timeline, etc. After the initial story, none of this is really too suprising (with the exception of Joe Cahill’s niece being one of the victims).

    The cover up/confuse machine is in full court press, the political parties are trying to score as many points as they can, and the victims have to relive their terrible experiences in the paper everyday.

    And to be honest, I doubt anyone other than Liam will ever see a day in jail. I also doubt that Gerry will step down as head of the party, and I doubt this will significantly effect the number of votes Sinn Fein gets.

  • heamaisbharney

    Here’s a link to the Suzanne /Mary lou debate.

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/quickaxs/209-r…hpatkenny.smil

    hands down victory to suzanne I think.

  • heamaisbharney

    Re that debate, there may be a few minutes news on the link before the interviews begin.