McDonald: “The whole purpose of these negotiations is to see product…”

Sinn Fein’s Mary Lou McDonald has just said that the DUP has not yet stepped up to the plate in the discussions for the securing the future of the devolved institutions.

“There is not yet an indication from the DUP that they are ready to step up to the plate and meet their commitments. Bear in mind the St Andrews Agreement is now three years old. The process we have been involved in is one of completion and not one of re-negotiation.”

“Our Ard Comhairle will meet on Saturday they will be formally briefed..

“We want this to work. There is now an obligation on all of us, but particularly the DUP, to step up to the plate and meet their commitments and make this work.

“We will not operate on the basis of preconditions and all other matters have been agreed from three years ago at St Andrews.”

I then asked her whether the DUP produced any product as demanded by Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams. She replied:

“That’s what we need to see. The whole purpose of these negotiations is to see product”.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Well despite last nights news being “Ominous”, I slept soundly. And probably will do tonight again.

    I note the qualification that the DUP have “not yet” ……which indicates the door is open.

    If the situation is indeed “impossible” we can only thank God that none of it is actually important

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    Who in their right mind believes that unionism will ever accept an Irish justice ministry here.

    Nor will they ever embrace equality.

    Nor will they ever accept the rights of the nationalist community in regards to bigoted parades going where they are not wanted.

    Nor will they accept that all the people injured killed or bereaved in conflict are all equally affected.

    Nor will the accept…I could go on for a week on the failings of unionism to embrace their nationalist/republican neighbours. Pathetic lot.

    Bring on an election and let’s all of us watch unionism self destruct.

  • Banjaxed

    This story was telegraphed earlier in the day when Gerry Adams was interviewed on radio. His whole message was very much on the negative side. Given the strict omerta which was imposed throughout these last 2 weeks, it therefore came as no surprise when the fire went out, late afternoon. No fire, no smoke.

    However, the ashes may still be warm enough for volumes of hot air once the blame game starts.

  • percy

    she’s spot on though

  • O-REP

    “I could go on for a week on the failings of unionism to embrace their nationalist/republican neighbours”

    They haven’t embraced republcians for much the same reasons republicans haven’t embraced Special Branch. Body count a wee bit high for hugs.

  • iluvni

    What the fucks it got to do with ML McDonald?
    Who is she accountable to in NI?

  • Paul

    oh dear looks like sinn fein are going to wreck the assembly like they have being threatening too do for weeks.If they didn’t get there way

  • Scaramoosh

    The whole thing is posture.

    “The whole purpose of these negotiations is to see product” ….

    The whole purpose of these negotiations is to posture ahead of elections, so that we can shore up our core vote….

  • Greenflag

    Go on McGuinness -Pull the plug on the ditherers .

    SF must now accept that they are being strung along by the DUP . Time to put the boot in.

    Disgusted in Derry ,

    ‘Who in their right mind believes that unionism will ever accept an Irish justice ministry here.

    Not I said Greenflag .

    ‘Who in their right mind believes that unionism will they ever embrace equality.’

    Not I said Greenflag

    ‘Who in their right mind believes that unionism will ever accept the rights of the nationalist community in regards to bigoted parades going where they are not wanted.’

    Not I said Greenflag

    ‘Who in their right mind believes that unionism will accept that all the people injured killed or bereaved in conflict are all equally affected.’

    Not I said Greenflag .

    Unionist deaths are more important than Nationalist ‘deaths’ . Catholics don’t feel death as much as Unionists and anyway it was their fault because they started it etc etc .

    ‘Nor will the accept…I could go on for a week on the failings of unionism to embrace their nationalist/republican neighbours.’

    A week 🙁 ? make that a year and I might agree .

    ‘ Pathetic lot.’

    Well yes but also shortsighted , narrow minded , distrustful of all even each other and terrified of being left behind when the balloon finally bursts ..

    Anyway time for SF to retire Adams and to boot this Assembly back to where it belongs as just another failure in the many attempts over 40 years or more to make a ‘democracy’ out of what cannot be one by the very nature of the state itself !

    Repartition and be done with it . Irish nationalism and or republicanism has neither the will nor the financial or military or political resources to send ‘unionism ‘ packing off this island . If it had I would recommend instant action on that score .

    So in the absence of such a possibility Irish nationalists and republicans can only regain their self respect by withdrawing from any further entanglements with undemocratic ‘unionism ‘ by demanding a fair repartition of Northern Ireland administered by a neutral international organisation !

  • `me thinks` Sinn Fein forget that the DUP said St Andrews was an Agreement between the two governments and did not actually signal their agreement to it…..

  • Dazzler

    Why would nationalists agree to repartition when they will be a majority in the not too distant future and will out vote the unionists.

    Bring down the assembly. Unionists are incapable of equality. They are liars and cannot be trusted. Their whole purpose is to block anything that nationalists want.

  • Panic, these ones like it up em.

    Its time for Sinn Féin to pull the plug.

    Lets see if All of the Unionist parties are as keeen to let the electorate give their opinion.

    This may or may not bring about a Sinn Féin First Minister.

    If this happens then we will see if Unionist parties are willing to take part in an executive with a Republican/Nationalist First Minister.

    Resolving whether Unionists are willing to partake in inclusive and egalitarian institutions is something that we need an answer to.

    We need to know this one way or another now.

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    O-Rep,

    Like a fool you write: “They haven’t embraced republcians for much the same reasons republicans haven’t embraced Special Branch”

    Would that be the same special branch that turned a blind eye to Haddock and his lot in Mount Vermin?

    Would that be the same special branch that failed to stop the murder of Margaret Perry?

    Would that be the same special branch who failed to prevent the murder of John Harbinson?

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Collusion-civil-action-alleges-RUC.2059970.jp

    Dry your eyes you fool, special branch were contributors to our conflict and either prevented people from committing murder to protect informers on both sides, or stopped the RUC/PSNI from investigating informers roles in murder.

    State sponsored terrorism is that!!!

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    Typo above
    It should read:

    “contributors to our conflict and failed in prevented people from committing murder to protect informers”

  • tacapall

    Just what are these preconditions, and what points do the Unionists want re-negotiated. What are these outstanding issues. Surely the public have a right to know.

  • OscarTheGrouch

    DisgustedinDERRY and Greenflag – I guess you guys are warming up for the hustings already, I could almost hear Jim Hacker imitating Churchill in some of that rhetoric.

    Alas, it appears that tring to get SF and DUP to agree is as diffciult as making two groups who have based their whole existance on ‘No Surrender’ and ‘Our time will come’ diatribe find a common ground.

    Go figure.

  • Harry J

    Nor will they accept that all the people injured killed or bereaved in conflict are all equally affected………..

    apart from mudering scumbags in the IRA, UDA etc

    Nor will they ever embrace equality……

    Please list what laws or rights protestants have that catholics dont.

    Nor will they ever accept the rights of the nationalist community in regards to bigoted parades going where they are not wanted………

    shouldnt that be bigoted communities who dont want a protestant about the place…wheres protestant rights to express their culture now?

    Who in their right mind believes that unionism will ever accept an Irish justice ministry here……….

    this is the UK, it would be a british justice ministry overseeing british justice in british courts, with a british police service.

  • OscarTheGrouch

    Tacapall, spot on pal, its about time that both these sets of morons let us know what the hell they are debating (ill be generous here) about- it may turn out that most of us don’t care!

    Don’t these binlids work for us?

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Politics is always changing and deals are constantly being made. If martin mcguiness and sinn fein pull the plug…it will be reported along with…the fact about the issues in the adams family and the rape reports in the newspapers. The sex scandal and the collapse of the insitutions will be forever linked.

  • danielmoran

    Exactly tacapell. If the parades issue was such a big deal for dup, why didn’t DUP make it a dealbreaker at st andrews?, why didn’t DUP walk away from SAA? no use trying to introduce it now. SF are right not to give an inch.

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    tacapall

    As the meerkat would say ‘simples’

    It’s all about orangemen celebrating a battle that happened 300 years ago. Sure it’s there culture.

    I remember watching a programme on the 11th night bonfires in Belfast. The reporter asked who the effigy was supposed to be. A wee old woman replied “Its De Valera”. The reporter asked if the woman knew who De Velera was she said no. The reporter then asked if the woman didn’t know who he was, why would they burn his effigy, the woman replied “It’s our culture”

  • O-REP

    DisgustedinDerry,

    Are you feeling alright?

    You’ve done nothing but expand on my point! Special Branch are a shower of bastards for all the shit they were invovled in. Correct.

    The unionists see Sinn Fein and the ‘RA in much the same why you see Special Branch, for much the same reasons, i.e. complicit and/or involved in murder and other crimes. Can’t blame them, if I were a unionist I wouldn’t want Northern Republicans anywhere near my government either.

    Now, deep breaths, open a window maybe.

  • tacapall

    If martin mcguiness and sinn fein pull the plug…it will be reported along with…the fact about the issues in the adams family and the rape reports in the newspapers. The sex scandal and the collapse of the insitutions will be forever linked.
    Posted by Kathy C on Jan 21, 2010 @ 06:46 PM

    Kathy you’re becoming a “one trick pony” those accusations have been flogged to death on these forums lately, you’re trying to stifle debate about something that has fk all to do what your talking about.

  • OscarTheGrouch

    DisguatedinDerry – hmmm, dodgy ground here I think.

    I bet you we can get all sorts of fun answers if we wander round Derry asking questions about Irish history….

    Sure isnt the most prominant son of Derry currently Chez Guevara Lynch? – bet you we would get some fun answers if we wandered about the bog and asked people what they thought about Chez Guevara… nice beard, makes great T-shirts?

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    Harry J

    You make me laugh. Go read some 20th century Irish history books, and not the Peter and Jane books your used to.

    By the way, this is the Island of Ireland, not Britain, so anything on this island is Irish. Go you to England and tell an English man your British, he will laugh at you and say, don’t be silly Paddy your Irish!!!

  • OscarTheGrouch

    Any chance of getting back to the issue?

    If anything typifies the problems of NI over 30 years its the ‘I know my history better than you’ argument.

    I want to get back to why can’t the public find out what is being discussed that is stopping these people getting on with their ‘work’? Aren’t we owed an explanation – how can it be sensitive? I want to know, and now.

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    O-REP

    One problem about your last post, the Provo’s weren’t lifting wage packets from the British government, in other words, special branch crimes reflect on the British government policy of the troubles.

    No room for state sponsored terrorism in a democracy!!!

  • New Blue

    More than a few provo’s were lifting wage packets from the British Government – some would say many still are.

  • O-REP

    “One problem about your last post, the Provo’s weren’t lifting wage packets from the British government”

    They are now! Heh, couldn’t resist.

    In any case, I just wanted to point out that there’s a reason why Unionists don’t like Republicans, one that isn’t reducibile to sectarianism. As you can see from your own explosion @ post 13. murderers and criminals rouse an emotion that has nothing to do with bigotry.

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    O-REP

    So unionism had no part in forming and arming loyalist terrorist organisations??

    New blue

    Those republicans ceased being republicans when they were turned by special branch. They became part of the British state apparatus who carried out British state orders.

    Next

  • OscarTheGrouch

    Apparently the problems of NI are pretty well ingrained even in cyber space. Think I may go and play with real life for a while…. have fun with the ‘discussion’ guys. Remember its not how long it is……

  • New Blue

    DisgustedinDERRY

    You have a lot to be pissed about, and it sounds like you are in touch with that.

    BUT….

    Not all unionists are fenian hating, child killing, pope kicking bastards.

    But the only way to seperate the extremists from the ‘ordinary folk’ is to acknowledge that the ‘ordinary folk’ want 90% of what you want.

    80 years into Northern Ireland, and all that that has brought us,let’s accept that some on both sides will always just want to ‘beat the drum’ but most want to bring their kids up in a better world.

    We can blame those who did wrong, we can blame those who supported those who did wrong, but to blame all ‘themmuns’ is just what the extremists need you to do to keep them in power.

  • O-REP

    DisgustedinDerry,

    Unionists did, definitely, but “Unionism” is a bit of a stretch to collective guilt, whereas “Republicans” seem to be actually defined by their alignment to guilty groups (Sinn Fein) and crazy doctrines (Brits Out/Armed Struggle). The ones who aren’t seem to fall into the far more sane constitutional nationalist variety.

  • tacapall

    http://news.bbc.co.u

    Mrs Foster accused Sinn Fein of taking a “new position on parading” and said she hoped it would not “stand in the way of making progress on the outstanding issues”.

    I guess The Sinners have introduced “Wootton Bassett and the Islam4UK march” into the parading issue.

  • Reader

    Greenflag: Irish nationalism and or republicanism has neither the will nor the financial or military or political resources to send ‘unionism ’ packing off this island . If it had I would recommend instant action on that score .
    So your endless demands for repartition are just a fallback position from your preferred option of demographic cleansing by mass political expulsions?

  • JohnM

    tacapall wrote:

    I guess The Sinners have introduced “Wootton Bassett and the Islam4UK march” into the parading issue.

    How dare they expose such hypocrisy!

  • Garza

    Why the hell is fecking Mary Lou McDonald commenting on Northern Ireland affairs when she has not mandate from the Northern Ireland electorate? Hell she doesn’t even have a mandate from the ROI electorate.

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    Garza

    She is the Vice President of the biggest party in this statelet.

  • Garza

    And she cant even get elected?

  • joeCanuck

    Garza,

    Don’t get carried away. She is V.P. of the second largest Party here beside which everyone is entitled to an opinion and to express it. If the media thinks it is newsworthy, they will air it.
    If that doesn’t convince you, who gave you a mandate to express your opinions on SOT?

  • Fabianus

    Garza,

    “Why the hell is fecking Mary Lou McDonald commenting on Northern Ireland affairs when she has not mandate from the Northern Ireland electorate? Hell she doesn’t even have a mandate from the ROI electorate.”

    Her words are clearly aimed over our heads and at Irish-America.

    “There is not yet an indication from the DUP that they are ready to step up to the plate…”

    You see, “stepping up to the plate” is an American baseball expression that has no currency in these islands. We don’t actually play baseball here (even though baseball bats may be found in many Republican homes throughout NI). Next she’ll be accusing the DUP of pinch-hitting.

    I believe she meant “step up to the crease”. This makes more sense in my book (Wisden, since you ask) but would very likely go above Ms McDonald’s head.

  • 20. `why didn’t DUP walk away from SAA?`

    The DUP didnt sign the SAA Agreement as far as I am aware, they said it was an agreement between the two governments.

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    Fabianus

    Why would many republican houses have baseball bats, I do believe loyalist terrorist groups used them while republican groups tended to use hurls.

  • Fabianus

    Gusdisted,

    “republican groups tended to use hurls.”

    Perhaps you mean hurleys, or camáin, to give them their proper Irish name.

    I’m surprised you didn’t know that. You wouldn’t by any chance be among the ladies and gentlemen I’m seeing all the time dressed in “activity” sportswear, and who clearly (to judge by their gusdisting obesity) are strangers to sport of any kind?

    I know, I know, I shouldn’t judge. My bad.

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    I would like to think I’m an active person, while I admit I’m not a gym fanatic I do walk a lot. Not too keen on the sports wear, a good pair of boots would suit the walker better. I have always referred to a hurley as a hurl. I guess its proper name is as you say and I’m so glad you didn’t call it a hurley bat!!!

  • Fabianus

    Disgusted,

    “I have always referred to a hurley as a hurl.”

    Please forgive me my gratuitous post. I was out of order. Hurl is as good as hurley. (Mind you, Liz might disagree.)

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    Accepted

  • heamaisbharney

    “The whole purpose of these negotiations is to see product”.

    Hmn, so we won’t be accepting results then.
    A couple of weeks back RTE and BBC weather people were speaking about ‘snow events’ coming and I’m just wondering if they and Sinn Fein buy their natty new phrases from the same shop.

  • Fabianus

    heamaisbharney,

    Oh yes, I forget to mention “product”.

    How small we are when we have to grasp at tired American cast-offs.

    US politicians were able to seduce their hillbilly/redneck support with this sort of non-speak. Will someone please give me a reasonable reason why an Irish politician should recycle this?

    Fucking pathetic. A Nation Once Again Screwed.

  • Cynic2

    Disgusting In Derry

    You are so delicious that you have to be a troll

  • Garza

    “Garza,

    Don’t get carried away. She is V.P. of the second largest Party here beside which everyone is entitled to an opinion and to express it. If the media thinks it is newsworthy, they will air it.”

    I thought McDonald would have enough on her plate in Dublin with SF falling apart down there to pay attention to NI. Unless of course SF really are just a Northern party and not an all Ireland one.

    “If that doesn’t convince you, who gave you a mandate to express your opinions on SOT?”

    No-one. Just like McDonald. I wonder if I can walk into Stormount and give a press conference lol.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Mary lou came out with this info because for one reason or another gerry adams did not.

    hi tascapall, I said if martin mcguiness pulls the plug …it will be forever linked to the problems within the adams family for one simple reason…it will happen. Not even discussing the allegations agains liam…but the fact the president of sinn fein announced to the world his father sexually abused members of his family and the fact the president of sinn fien stated he believed his niece that she had been abused by her father/his brother and there was/is political fall out from that…couple that with a collapsed gov’t (if it happens) then they will be forever linked. You may not like it…but it will happen….it’s politics.

  • Eurocrat

    Who does Mary Lou think she is anyway? God she really has some nerve. She has no political mandate to speak for anyone at all, as she is not longer an elected representative, and yet she seems to be playing an intregal role in this “important” negotiating process. I wonder whether SF wheeled her out in front of the cameras because she now possibly planning an assault on Northern politics, after failing in every other political forum she has been involved in. It is not particularly democratic that is this where we are right now.. where the negotiation process is being managed by people who are not even elected. In fairness I say the same about Jim Allister when the BBC go out of their way to give him a platform. Political representatives who are not elected should not be given air time on mainstream media.

  • tacapall

    Yeah ok Kathy C, Sex abuse against children in Ireland is like, cabbage and ribs, they just seem to go together. Maybe some of us are still cavemen or something, Maybe its in the genes, the point I was making is, if there was a blog about donkeys doing handstands, you would bring in Gerry Adams and accusations that he done this or didn’t do that, Yeah we know, but his day will come, so can we move on and debate about something else.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi tacapall, thanks for making me smile! I would love to see donkeys doing handstands…and I would dissapoint you because I wouldn’t mention you know who. But what I was saying whether sinn fein likes it or not…the problems in the adams family will be linked to sinn fein as long as gerry adams is there. It’s like John Edwards…he’s forever linked to the man who ran for president who had an affair with his staff doesn’t matter what he stood for—he’s linked. Suzanne summers and mckenzie phillips will be linked to being victims of their father’s sexual abuse…. Remember Tom Eagleton who was on the democratic ticket for vp years and years ago…all that people know of him…and even in his obiturary is the fact…he dropped out because hid didn’t release the fact he had suffered from mental illness. It’s the way of politics….adams by his statement his father abused members of his siblings…and his statemenet he believed his brother abused his daughter….the link will be there and menetioned. Sinn Fein has to deal with those issues whether they like it or not and if they pull out of gov’t…it will be linked in the story. thanks for the discussion and the donkey doing handstands.