Balancing the [Executive’s] Books

The BBC reports that NI Finance Minister, the DUP’s Sammy Wilson, has outlined “how £367m is going to be cut from the NI budget next year.”

Mr Wilson said water charges would continue to be deferred in 2010-11, at a cost of £213m to the executive. The Department of Health faces cuts of £113.5m and the Department of Regional Development faces cuts of £80.3m.

As long as there is jam for tea… This Politics Show report is from May 2009. Adds Ministerial statement here and the Review of the 2010-11 Spending Plans [pdf file].

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  • joeCanuck

    I can’t easily find what those percentages are. Does anyone know? Since it is a bit less than 4% of the proposed policing and justice budget presumably it’s not that much?

  • Panic, these ones like it up em.

    I would say that there is a lot of wishful thinking that the British exchequer will find a crock of gold.

    But its not easy to catch a leprechaun these days.

  • Paul Doran

    This failed economy will unfortunately come home to roost sometime.The British exchequer will get fed up paying for this.I rejoice when that days comes and then James Connolly’s Ideals will come to the fore.An All Ireland economy fit for purpose.We can do it yes we can

  • joeCanuck

    An All Ireland economy fit for purpose.

    Paul,
    Do you think the present state of finances in the Republic are currently fit for purpose?

  • Paul Doran

    Joe

    They can be.I think we all know who made a mess of this.Bad regulation, Bad Government. Bad Banks, We pay.

  • Davros

    ‘We pay’

    Well, people in Surrey pay.
    Or in RoI’s case, the Germans.

  • Neil

    Also worth pointing out, Ireland is currently out of recession. And all the signs point to the fact that the pragmatic approach to cuts, while politically unpopular, will have an impact on the country’s debt. The UK has so far failed to grasp that nettle.

    Needless to say, symptomised by this very thread, no unpopular decisions can be made in Stormont. Better to pay the masses water bills and collect the kudos, leaving any unpopular decisions to be imposed from Engerland.

    It sickens me and angers me that a life saving hospital bed may be unavailable solely so that the muppets at Stormont can take populist measures like ensuring every person in Northern Ireland (millionaire and otherwise) doesn’t have to pay for what everyone else on earth has to pay for.

    In the end they can call this progress and tell us ‘look what we delivered for you’ gesturing towards the water charges and hoping you ignore the dead granny’s that couldn’t get hospital treatment. Still, keeps the tickets to the gravy train up to date, and we all know those politicians who will be taking home a very decent salary will also not have to worry about the water bills, and a good job they got the private healthcare then they can fuck the hospitals too without worrying.

  • joeCanuck

    Neil,

    That is indeed a serious problem. Finding a, say, 1% cut shouldn’t be too difficult for most bureaucracies with the exception of the Health Dept.
    Here in Canada health costs keep increasing and a large part of that is due to increased needs for an aging population.
    Don’t know the N.I. demographics but presumably the population average age is increasing too as is true for most developed countries.

  • Paul Doran

    A Prgmatic approach to cuts. Goodness. No chance of tackling the reliefs on Pension funds, On Massive tax breaks for the well heeled.
    On the Private Health Insurance markets. no but a pagmatic approach to cuts.In the 26 County State that I live a pragmatic approach to cuts means massive suffering. but that is okay if you earn over 75,000.

  • Alias

    “Ireland is currently out of recession.”

    Oh dear… do you mean that countries can emerge from recession without massive state intervention in the economy with Keynesian fiscal stimulus packages? Shouldn’t someone tell Obama and Browne and the socialist muppets who support their waste of taxpayers’ money?

  • Paul Doran

    Socialist Muppet ,Explain.

  • Brian MacAodh

    Just wondering, who pays all the ex para “community workers”.

  • joeCanuck

    Brian,

    That money is coming out of the peace dividend.

    With respects to Frank Carson, it’s the way I tell them.

  • Driftwood

    Well they’re going to get a bucketful of money to set up another toytown Justice ministry, comlete with ministerial cars, advisors, press officers etc and a battalion of penpushers.

    Meanwhile the health budget gets a kicking.

    Something wrong here somewhere?

    I wonder if the voters in Shaun Woodwards’ constituency (and a few others)know how much money is being thrown at bureaucracy in Northern Ireland, and what they are getting in return.

  • Greenflag

    driftwood ,

    ‘and a battalion of penpushers ‘

    The Wall St Journal week end edition showed some data on job losses versus job gains in the period 1999 to 2009 . Health care and the public sector provided most of the increased jobs in the period . Most new jobs provided by the private sector were in retail services and low paid . Banking and financial services did well until their lies and criminal fraudulence saw the light of day ! And this wonderful ‘free market’ achievement took place under a pro ‘free market’ some would say almost laissez faire Republican administration .

    America’s now best hope for a return to near full employment (present rate is about 17% ) is that the the middle class who have seen their ‘wealth’ much diminished in recent years and who have not had a real wage raise in 20 years , will now decide to spend more of the money they haven’t got on cheap imports and on fast food so that more people can be become fatter and sicker and thus provide employment opportunities for more government bureaucrats and health care workers .

    It’s only logical eh ;(?

    Northern Ireland doesn’t have many options re increasing significantly at least in the short to medium term (1 to 7 years ) private sector employment . I would think that one Lockeeper’s Inn would be enough 😉

    Something wrong here ?

    Indeed but it’s a much bigger question than just Government waste or jobs for the families of the new elite . But those questions are not being addressed by the mainstream media and neither will they be ;(

  • Mrazik

    Meanwhile the health budget gets a kicking.

    Posted by Driftwood on Jan 12, 2010 @ 07:13 PM

    And a figure the equivalent of 1/4 of the needed savings is “invested” in the Village: http://www.northernireland.gov.uk/news/news-dsd/news-dsd-december-2009/news-dsd-301209-ritchie-approves-investment.htm

  • Driftwood

    Greenflag…

    It’s a long time since I bought the Belfast Telegraph, but I remember they had 2 ‘Jobfinder’ supplements. 1 on a Friday of 3 0r 4 pages of crap Mcjobs, and another on Tuesday ‘Public Sector jobfinder’ which ran to about 24 pages and had a section in which a Civil Servant described ‘their week’. You could have copied and pasted 95% of it for the following Tuesday:
    Assistant Executive Director of Playground Diversity (salary £60K) – ‘Every day is different!’ Endless meetings with other quangocrats, ‘You are always on the go!’ and ‘You never know what is round the corner!’ trying desperately to justify their pointless agenda. They knew it was bullshit and so did everyone reading it, what Theodore Dalrymple called ‘The Web of meaninglessness’.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/200507110012

    So it goes…

  • Driftwood

    Oh Greenflag
    The Wall Street Journal?????- weekend edition??

    Whatever floats your boat….

  • [b]”As part of this investment, 538 old homes, many unfit for further occupation, will be demolished and replaced by 273 new homes, built to the latest design and environmental standards.” …. 30 December 2009 – Ritchie approves £100million investment for South Belfast[/b]

    Well, there is a problem in the making even before it has begun. Why is there a deficit of housing planned, meaning there will have to be a similar scheme elsewhere to take up the shortfall [273 is almost half of 538] and why is the housing not being built to future and even futuristic design and environmental standards to jump ahead of game with an infrastructure designed for the Knowledge based Future rather than making best current use of the present standards.

    [quote][i]“Ireland is currently out of recession.”

    Oh dear… do you mean that countries can emerge from recession without massive state intervention in the economy with Keynesian fiscal stimulus packages?[/i][/quote]…. Posted by Alias on Jan 12, 2010 @ 04:24 PM

    Err, if anyone is thinking that recession and depression are past, rather than the last couple of years just being a dummy run precursor, to prepare all for a Universal Crash and and a Global Run, if things remain the same way as they have been for the last fifty years, with the same suits pulling the same strings and moves on the Great Unwashed, as in not yet Laundered/Brainwashed/Properly Programmed, the Uneduacted and/or Undereducated, then you might like to think on and remember this …… http://cryptogon.com/?p=13019 ….. which is Uncle Sam preparing for Civil War because of this …… http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1116982020100111 ….. which is just the tip of the Titanic Ponzi that is the US Economy which doesn’t really make anything of value to sell at a Profit, except War, which only always just Creates Colossal Catastrophic DEBT, but just keeps on printing $bills and Promisory Notes/IOUs, and simply moves figures around in the Banking System and into, well, hopefully SMART Client Accounts, electronically, to Create Instantly a globally perceived wealth and status/influence in entities/businesses which ideally can keep things going because of the Intellectual Property which is running their Shows/Business Models/Media Empires.

    And the Much SMARTer Money nowadays will also be going to, and needs to be going to those who can collapse the System with a few click of the mouse, but who would rather Spend their Time and Great Fortune on and in the System [which is a nice circular, closed, sustaining, perpetual loop of constructive mutual benefit] and Play the Great Game of Improving the Ponzi and Morphing it into a Solid and a Rock Virgin Enterprise, so that All are Better Off and Well Paid to Engage with and Improve the Collapsing System, by Securing it with IT and Sublime Education and Immaculate Instruction from CyberSpace against Any and All Crazy Attacks by Hostile Virtual Forces with Mirrored CyberIntelAIgent Capabilities.

    And Safeguarding against such Assaults as outlined in the above Scenario is not an Impossible and Unlikely Fiction whenever you discover it is supported in US Government Fact and Requests for Proposals …. http://cryptome.org/dhs-sandt.pdf

    And I wouldn’t normally have bothered and burdened y’all here on Slugger with that info, but considering the role that Northern Ireland is Playing in the Game, it would have been unrealistic not to advise you of the situation, so that you are not unaware of what is happening, even if presently you would be unenabled to do anything about it. Be assured though that Others are working with IT unbelievably well on your Behalf and until such Times as you would be freely enabled and able to engage with them in CyberSpace and ITs CyberIntelAIgent Security Office Operations Rooms, which you may like to consider have a Titanic Loughside View too, it is the least that can be done that you be kept well informed and advised.

    Which is all a bit of a change from last week’s plunge into sex and drugs and Lock and LOL tabloid scandal/media frenzy, which was all about Iris dropping her smalls for 50k and finding it unsatisfying with and for Peter ……. the Swish Rise and Swift Fall of the House of Robinson, which if it is a Keystone in the DUP Firmament, and the Mansion is a House of Cards, with many Secretive Rooms, would be a Harbinger of Much More yet to Come …… but that is just Pure Lurid Speculation, I’m sure, although nothing is sure these days, is it, unless you have Secured Command and Control Facility of the Information Space.

    And what/who is/are responsible for Providing Sammy Wilson MP MLA Minister for Finance and Personnel with All the Currency that Northern Ireland Needs? And why would there ever be less than was Required for the Rebuilding of an Astute and Ambitious Nation …. and its Future Model Infrastructure?

  • [quote]And what/who is/are responsible for Providing Sammy Wilson MP MLA Minister for Finance and Personnel with All the Currency that Northern Ireland Needs? And why would there ever be less than was Required for the Rebuilding of an Astute and Ambitious Nation …. and its Future Model Infrastructure? [/quote]

    Ok, I have found what I need here, thanks …. http://www.pfgbudgetni.gov.uk/pdf_-_final_review_of_2010-11_spending_plans_consultation_document_-_11_january_2010.pdf ….. which has me raising another question.

    Who/What is/are responsible for raiding/utilising quantitatively eased monies sequestered in Globalised Vaults and Coffers and provided by the European Union (EU) Funding Bureaucrats/Proxy Bankers/Shylocks. Is that normally a Private Sector Enterprise in Consort and Cahoots with Executive Government …. with all Sorts of Robin Hood Renegade, Friendly Pirate Rogue Programs and Projects ….. or does the Public Sector and Civil Service exclusively provide the Ideas for Execution/Implementation/Floating/Global Funding?

    A current live email address and Point of Contact name is all that is required, please, with the relevant body/responsible head being.

  • Greenflag

    martian ,

    That’s very good -all encompassing and with enough conspiratorial content mixed in amongst obvious economic truths . I’ll recommend a read of Derrick Jensen’s ‘The Culture of Make Believe’ to reground your thoughts in a captive humanity with only temporary individual exits to a collective one way journey to species self extinction .

  • Greenflag

    Driftwood ,

    I catch your drift . Your 17 above is on the ball as is Dalrymple’s observation . Analysis fine -possible exits to a ‘better future ‘ not seen ? or not possible ?

    For western economies it may no longer be possible to do other than pretend the bullshit is ‘real’ or makes a difference . Looking for economic salvation in the private sector’s ability to come up with the ‘good’s ‘ may in this globalised world be less possible than ever . Economic slavery has never been as ‘cheap’ as nowadays . In the 19th century ‘slaves’ were relatively expensive and they had to be maintained , fed and clothed . Nowadays international corporations in the poorest countries where labour regulations are in a lesser state of development than the UK in the 1760’s.

    I believe yesterday the Chinese became the world’s number one car market and in a decade or less the Chinese car market will exceed that of the USA and the EU combined and this world economic transformation will have been accomplished by a focused one party authoritarian state which still refers to itself as ‘Communist’ ? . Orwell might not be surprised .

    In the 1930’s the nazi’s believed ‘permanent ‘ societal impoverishment was best achieved under a socialist regime . The scandinavian societies of late 20th century europe would disagree as would the Chinese ‘communists’ of the early 21st century. .

  • Greenflag

    above omission ,

    should read

    Nowadays international corporations in the poorest countries where labour regulations are in a lesser state of development than the UK in the 1760’s AND CAN DO AS THEY WANT WITH LITTLE RECOURSE FROM LOCAL DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS.

  • joeCanuck

    Why is there a deficit of housing planned,

    Martian Man,
    Because the houses being demolished are usually old two up two downs with no bathroom or inside loo. Not fit for today’s purpose. Add in the need for a few green places for kids to play and the density goes down drastically.

  • [quote][i]Why is there a deficit of housing planned,[/i]

    Martian Man,
    Because the houses being demolished are usually old two up two downs with no bathroom or inside loo. Not fit for today’s purpose. Add in the need for a few green places for kids to play and the density goes down drastically. ….. Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:12 PM[/quote]

    Quite so, joeCanuck, but if all the properties are occupied, half of them will have no homes in the area.

    [quote]I’ll recommend a read of Derrick Jensen’s ‘The Culture of Make Believe’ to reground your thoughts in a captive humanity with only temporary individual exits to a collective one way journey to species self extinction …… Posted by Greenflag on Jan 13, 2010 @ 01:00 PM [/quote]

    Greenflag,

    The Present Trip into the Future appears much more a case of a captive humanity with only temporary individual exits out of a collective one way journey to species self extinction, but that is only because they are using Sub-Prime Intelligence, rather than something/anything Better.

    All then that is Needed is New Source Feeding and as All are to be captured, that will have to be spelt out for them in clear and [b]BOLD[/b] and Simple Text and lots of Pretty Pictures and SMARTer Programs in Media, in all of its and ITs Guises/Vehicles [Radio/TV/Movies/Print/Tempestuous Waves/EMPulsations/Subliminal Remote Virtual Grooming/etc etc etc.]

    Man has no excuse to stay Stupid nowadays with SMARTer Beings in Commanding CyberIntelAIgent Circles of Control, for the Flow of Intelligence into Sensitive Powerful Information Grids is Increasing for Greater Awareness [and ideally ultimately towards AI for Total Information Awareness, which is a never-ending journey which has more surprises than you ever can imagine, even whenever you may realise that all is imagined] at an Exponential Rate and is so Easily Shared with All InterNetworking, and Operating Systems/Communicating with these Global Operating Devices at our Fingertips.

    Whenever you are Slaves to a Corrupt Preying System, there is Everything to Gain and Nothing to Lose whenever you Lose the Chains and the Squash the Parasites which Imprison and Weaken You …… http://tinyurl.com/SachsSucks

  • Greenflag

    martian .

    So we can blame the large financial institutions and the political elites of the US Congress and other parliaments for being of less than prime ‘intelligence’unable and unwilling to tackle the universal masters of Goldman Sachs among others ?
    I’m extremely disappointed in Obama pandering to the financial lizards of Wall St but not too surprised . These bastards would sell Bernie Madoff’s live flesh to Borneo cannibals if they could get away it .

    As we can see from the latest predicted bonus payments set to accrue to the ‘bankers’ of Wall St the Elders of Mammon will not give up their claim to the Golden Calf unless they are rained down on by a plague from on high . As of now it appears that any Deity out there is also scared shitless to intervene less they too bring down the next house up on their head .

    In the absence of our political leaders imposing moderation from above it will have to be a revolt from the bottom . But as most successful revolts have only ever been sustained by the willingness of the middling sort to raise themselves from their sloth it looks like it may be a while . Not until most of the middling kind have been consigned to equityless and jobless poverty will there be any change .

  • conn

    I’m interested if any of our economics colleagues can let me know what the percentage share of cuts are by department, and then possibly by departmental minister and political party. The headline figures seem to be fairly protective of the DUP and Sinn Fein ministries. Can anyone help explain it to me in terms of which departments and ministers are being shafted the most? Or is this just all part of the deal between the big two to keep the gravy train on the rails for a wee while longer?

  • [quote]In the absence of our political leaders imposing moderation from above it will have to be a revolt from the bottom. …..Posted by Greenflag on Jan 13, 2010 @ 07:14 PM[/quote]

    Greenflag,

    Expect nothing from political leaders for they are not bright enough to be effective at anything as major as change, for they are cuckolds to the systems which pays them and allows them to pay themselves from Public Funds for conspiring against their opponents and any competition which would wish to hold them to account. We are already seeing a classic example of that with the squirmings of Mr Robinson and the DUP and its Free Presbyterian Church laundry.

    Radical Change is much easier when Indirectly Produced and Implemented Directly from the Top with the Incumbent Players already sat at the Top Tables ….. for then does one have Valuable and Powerful Establishment Support rather than have to do Battle and Destroy the Stupid Arrogance and Ignorance in Old Fools and Young Tools. And all one needs for that in AI, is a Smarter than Average Leadership in a Leading Country into CyberIntelAIgent WareFare.