Arthur Morgan Watch: Day 20…

Okay, as I said in yesterday’s thread, I am not sure how we are going to fill this with content every day. We can only hope that Deputy Morgan steps forward sooner rather than later. It’s not as though the press has not been trying to contact him in relation to his apparently false statement with regards to Gerry Adams’ brother Liam to the Dundalk Argus on Christmas Eve:

Although he was a party member, he was never an officer, and certainly was never in the running, as has been stated in the media, for nomination as a candidate in the 1997 Dáil elections,

How do we know they’ve been trying to contact him? The Irish News’s southern correspondent Valerie Robinson has a short piece on page 12 today noting our quest, with which she finishes:

The Irish News

has been attempting to contact Mr Morgan for comment on the reports since last week. There was no response from the TD to phone calls to his mobile phone and Leinster House yesterday.

On the blogosphere Conall McDevitt, a recently co-opted SDLP MLA and regular contributor to Slugger, has more pertinent comment on the story

What’s this all about? See:

  • Paul

    Yes indeed the silence from arthur morgan says it all.

  • Kensei

    Okay, as I said in yesterday’s thread, I am not sure how we are going to fill this with content every day. We can only hope that Deputy Morgan steps forward sooner rather than later.

    http://craigswinejourney.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/facepalm.jpg

  • I suggest a knock down tell it all writeup of every child abuse allegation in West Belfast might be a good place to start.

    The idea that some perverts are allowed to wander off into the sunset, probably abusing children on their way is anathema to most of us.

  • Jaggers

    Day 1000, Mick? You do draw attention to the impotency of journalism. Elsewhere your questions would garner a dynamism which would mean the whole county was rivetted with waiting for a response but the necessary elements are missing here. SF is little more than a token party in the Republic and are likely to be for the foreseeable future (2012 post-election horsedealing apart). The story just doesn’t attract the emotion of say the priest-paedo scandals, Liam Adams is relatively unknown and Gerry Adams is seen as many things but a personally arrogant man is not one of them. In many quarters this is seen from Gerry Adamses point of view a sad and unattractive story and unless he hangs himself more convincingly than he has upto now I think you may find yourself posting a Day 2000…

  • Jaggers

    I am not unsympathetic to Gerry Adams if he is telling the truth. Problem is he is not telling all of the truth and what he is leaving out may be vital for the health of the society he represents.

    See my blog http://pippakin-meiow.blogspot.com items Ten the sins of the fathers and Fifteen a terrifying thought.

  • Jaggers

    Pippa,

    I read the first sentence of your blog and stopped

    “Ever since the awful news that Gerry Adams father and brother were child abusers an ugly and dangerous rumour has been bobbing under the wave of incredulity and disbelief.” As I understand it, Gerry Adams’ brother has not been convicted in a court of anything and all that exists are allegations and hearsay.

    I understand some in the media and public would like answers though I just don’t sense the national anticipation that awaits the fate of Peter Robinson (political) or further revelations of his wife’s antics (personal). And therein I think lies the problem for Mick and his daily counter.

  • Mick Fealty

    My focus is on one thread of a possibly larger story. Nothing more. I do not know where that thread leads to, and in the strictest sense I do not care.

    I do not think it is helpful to speculate where it might lead. That’s very dangerous ground for anyone to muse on without evidence (and we’ve seen rather too much of that in the Robinson scandal).

    Above all, Arthur Morgan must have the last word in all of these threads… When he provides proper disclosure these threads will end.

    Call it a research project. If we have nothing to report the post will appear but more or less say, ‘we have nothing to report’….

    But if we get to post 1000 (and I sincerely hope we don’t…) we may have learnt more about how hard journalists have to work to get their copy than anything else…

    In the meantime, we won’t be going away…

  • OscarTheGrouch

    Hang in there Mick.

    Its the tendency for the media to get bored and wander off that politicians count on.

  • Jaggers

    Then good luck, Mick. Paxman got away with kudos with asking the same question of Michael Howard 11 times but he accomplished that over 2 minutes. The story lacks the comedic element that has kept alive, for example, regular publication of Andrew Neil in a vest/baseball cap with a pretty far younger thing in Britain’s Private Eye for 10 years. And politically unless the story gets elevated in the national conscience or it finds a different angle it will begin to look, in my opinion, trite and a distraction from other excellent threads on your site. Again good luck, your intentions look honourable, but I will not be returning to this thread.

  • Paul

    If arthur morgan has nothing to fear why does he not come out and answer the questions which are still here waiting to be answered.The whole thing sticks if you ask me

  • Jaggers

    The ‘hearsay’ is from Liam Adams daughter and Gerry Adams himself made the claim regarding his father.

    The accusations of PIRA helping child abusers escape have been made on this site and others. Mr Morgans answers are eagerly awaited and I hope he answers quickly, not to do so could damage Martin McGuinness and S/F as they head toward another election.

    Liam Adams trial may answer some questions but only if he pleads not guilty and the trial then produces evidence.

    Child abuse is too serious to brush aside as mere political scheming.

  • heamaisbharney

    The disappearance of Arthur verges on the comical and adding that to Gerry’s elastic memory it seems to me that we are in ‘Third Policeman’ or even ‘At Swim Two birds territory’ here with logic having taken flight some time ago.

  • joeCanuck

    Unfortunately, you are probably wasting your time, Mick. The man has been caught lying and he will hide where ever he can as long as he can to avoid an explanation.
    Still, he has to resurrect sometime but expect an answer along the lines of “That question has already been answered and I have nothing further to say”.

  • Paddy

    Arthur will eventually follow the party line, just like Gerry Kelly.

  • joeCanuck

    Don’t bother trying to fill it. Just the headline Day#. One line explanation for newcomers with link to first thread.

  • Henry94

    Arthur Morgan must have the last word in all of these threads… When he provides proper disclosure these threads will end.

    I haven’t being following the story closely enough to know what Arthur Morgan is supposed to have done or not done. But he’d be an idiot to respond to a laughable threat like that.

    Still, it’s nice to know the spirit of The Skibbereen Eagle lives on.

  • Aldous Duke

    “I haven’t being following the story closely enough to know what Arthur Morgan is supposed to have done or not done. But he’d be an idiot to respond to a laughable threat like that.”

    It’s hardly a threat. An elected TD who told blatant lies to the public should in the very least explain himself. The reality is Morgan has disappered into an ostrich farm to find some soft ground amid the cold snap. It is only journalistic perseverance that will bring him to account.

    As for not knowing the story…
    From Breen’s Tribune article:
    “A Sunday Tribune investigation has uncovered a massive cover-up of Liam Adams‘ Sinn Féin involvement. He is portrayed as playing a short-lived, minor role. Louth TD Arthur Morgan claimed Liam Adams “was never a party officer”.

    Today, we reveal Liam Adams was Sinn Féin’s most senior official in Co Louth. He was chairman of the Louth comhairle ceantair, liaising directly with the national Sinn Féin leadership.”

  • Alias

    If Mr Morgan believed the statement he made, then he is a moron. If he didn’t believe the statement, then he is a liar. The question his constituency should ponder if do they want to be represented by someone who is either a moron or a liar? And the question the broader Shinner constituency should ponder is do they think their party is best presented by morons and liars?

  • Paddy

    Yes, but who else are members of Sinn Fein? Usually paedophiles stick to their own sort for reinforcement feedback. One can think of various RC seminaries or some recent cases in England where pedos shared their spoils (bofore getting busted). Just how many paedophiles joined Louth Sinn Fein?

  • heamaisbharney

    Paddy,
    Part of the unintended consequences of Morgan’s glib nonsense and Gerry’s ‘I moved immediately’ stuff is that Louth Sinn Fein is now tainted and their silence is not helping either. It is surprising that someone doesn’t come forward to explain how long Liam Adams was in Sinn Fein in Dundalk and what his various roles were along with how much or how little they knew about him.I mean someone still in Sinn Féin today. This would be in their own interests and , long term , Sinn Fein’s interest.

  • John O’Connell

    Alias

    And the question the broader Shinner constituency should ponder is do they think their party is best presented by morons and liars?

    I thought the entire Sinn Fein party were all morons or liars or both. Certainly the word liar serves to define quite a lot of them.

  • Alias

    Well, I wouldn’t disagree with that, John.

    I suppose Mr Morgan can either blame a failure of intellect or a failure of intelligence, i.e. he didn’t know what he should have known or he couldn’t have known it.

  • Seamus

    Lets not forget that liam was also able to contribute to an article which highlighted a pedophile ring that operated from Dundalk right up to Letterkenny, where he had also lived as one of his many places of residency.

  • joeCanuck

    Sinn Fein party were all morons or liars or both.

    John,
    You’re using too narrow a brush. There’s lots of liars in all parties, Canada included.

  • Halfer

    Alias

    “If Mr Morgan believed the statement he made, then he is a moron. If he didn’t believe the statement, then he is a liar. The question his constituency should ponder if do they want to be represented by someone who is either a moron or a liar? And the question the broader Shinner constituency should ponder is do they think their party is best presented by morons and liars?”

    bingo!

    I asked the question before. Where is the moral line that cannot be crossed? Knowingly allowing a child rapist to work freely in a community?

    SF inherited their moral compass from Neitzche

  • John O’Connell

    Joe

    I think Sinn Fein have a particular expertise in this, given that the leader was never a member of the PIRA.

  • Mr Crowley

    SF inherited their moral compass from Neitzche
    Posted by Halfer on Jan 12, 2010 @ 05:44 PM

    With possible input from Fritzl.

  • It was hard times back in the day of the old unionist rule. One can understand the urge to protect members of the Republican movement from the old security forces. Having said that no supporter of the Republican movement ever intended their support to include the protection of child abusers. If the claim that some Republicans protected this filth from arrest and prosecution then it damages the whole cause.

  • Dixie Elliott

    It was hard times back in the day of the old unionist rule…

    Posted by pippakin

    Where is everyone getting this line ‘back in the days of Unionist Rule….Unionist Rule has been weakened/ smashed etc’….Out of Gerry Adams’ revised history of Republicanism?

    Unionist Rule was replaced by British Direct Rule in 1972 and continued until 2007 and it’s only recently we’ve started hearing that the struggle was all along about overcoming Unionist Rule/The Orange State and equal rights and not about Unity and a Socialist Republic after all.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Maybe Arthur Just mis-remembered,it seems to be the easy explanation,either that or anybody who dares to ask questions that the republican movement don’t want to answer is against the peace process.
    The peace process has been replaced by a political process where people are signed up to non violence and exclusively peaceful means.
    To keep referring back to a peace process being threatened is disingenuous.It is a fear of losing political support, and therefoe power, that they are afraid of.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Unity yes Im sure we all want that. Socialist Republic? Ireland has never been a socialist republic as anyone at the bottom of the feeding trough will tell you.

    What Ireland had for too many years was successive governments, so busy on their knees kissing the hem of the bishops frocks, that they failed to look up long enough to see the abuse being perpetrated on the children of this country. If by chance one of them did open his eyes long enough to spot this horrendous abuse, he immediately took the word of the bishops , that it was an ‘isolated’ incident and helped cover the crime.

    In effect we got rid of the Brits and were handed over to Rome.

  • Aldous Duke

    Has there been any reference to possibility of paedophiles active within republican circles being turned informer. Seems somewhat logical if Liam was reported to the RUC in 1987. Twas dirty times indeed.

  • Aldous Duke

    Agreed this grim possibility has occurred, of course had the accusations been allowed to surface naturally no turning would have been possible and the episode would be long gone.

    It is equally possible that the security forces didnt bother since any accusations coming from anywhere near them would have been laughed off as impossible rubbish.

    The questions remain unanswered, Liam Adams appears to have carried on regardless both in Belfast and Dundalk, and other child abusers may have been aided to escape by members of the Republican movement.

  • Halfer

    Two prominent names from within SF are on the verge of being outed….(maybe in a week or so time when the Robinson affair blows over)…..as having been up to no good.