Poots drops the first DUP ball of the morning…

At 7.52 this morning, Ed Poots, unprompted by the interviewer, suggested that Robinson’s difficulty was not comparable with covering up child abuse… Of course, on one level he is dead right… But the comparison was foolish coming as part of a defence… It suggests the party was not prepared for the emotional impact of the programme…

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  • pinni

    The frenzied reaction against Robinson, which you uncannily predicted could happen before this affair even came to light, confirms your prophecy!

    Double standards are in operation.

  • RepublicanStones

    Vance joins TUV….no surprise, but interesting times indeed.

  • Paul

    I do not think poots dropped the ball at all.He is dead right to say the things he did about the adams scandal and the cover up its time the media went just as hard on that case or is it just going to be double standards and adams is to carry on bloody disgracful the sunday tribune are the only ones doing there job thats going to give us the info and truth.i think your comments are ill judged mick and and its time people focued just as much on the adams child abuse case which is far more serious I thnk PR should go but so should gerry adams he should of gone two weeks ago.i just cannot get my head around some of the commenters on here who quite frankly should take a long hard look at themselves.WE are talking about two different cases child abuse and finacial. yet what do we have a total fixation on PR bloody amazing just what the sinners/trolls/spinners want deflection on this scale to deflect away from the blantant public untruths not just by GA but but others in the sinners inner circle on the child abuse scandal.I demand just as much info on that case and the same amount of pressure should be twice as much on GA ITS a BLOODY CHILD ABUSE SCANDAL WHICH GERRY ADAMS HAS TOLD BLANTANT PUBLIC UNTRUTHS his postion is untenable just as is robinsons more than likely for god sake people wake up the child abuse scandal is far worse its the worse kind I feel sick to the stomach.I cannot bloody beileve it.I am so angry get a grip everybody lets have adams under the spotlight and see him get his marching orders and kicked out of office like he shoudnt of being two weeks ago bloody disgracful

  • Scaramoosh

    So 10 Hail Marys for Gerry and three for Peter then.

  • pinni

    I had to laugh when I read Sir Alistair Graham’s comment: ‘it seems to me that, prima facie, there are grounds for a major investigation by the various commissioners’.

    Looks like no stone will be left unturned in the effort to destroy Peter Robinson, but they are not so keen to tackle our wee Gerry.

  • Paul

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    Vance joins TUV….no surprise, but interesting times indeed.
    Posted by RepublicanStones on Jan 08, 2010 @ 11:09 AM

    they the TUV dinasaurs are welcome to him no surprise there then another no hope dinasaur whos got nothing to offer anybody.TUV= NI version of http://www.omrlp.co.uk lol lol

  • Danny Boy

    Agree with you Paul, both of them should already have resigned. The Robinson case is just fascinatingly weird, though, and I think people feel more able to relish every bit of its entertainment value precisely because it doesn’t involve the rape of a child.

  • Mr. J.

    ‘It suggests the party was not prepared for the emotional impact of the programme’

    Mick, are you surprised? The main political parties of Northern Ireland are out of touch with public opinion on so many levels, it’s laughable. Our politicians are happier to go into the Assembly and try and settle a decades old political score than get on with what the majority of the population want, which is to run the f**king Province. And the current setup of the Assembly reinforces this.

    Paul, sadly this particular scandal has the heady mix of sex and money, featuring two of Northern Irelands most high profile politicians, one of which is the First Minister, the other our self-appointed moral guardian. It’s pathetically predicatable that it has eclipsed the GA child abuse story, and what will be even more sickening is that if the GA story is permanently swept aside.

  • LottaNonsense

    There’s no comparison between Gerry Adams and Robinson. Gerry is an ordinary MLA backbencher – Peter Robinson is actually in the government, and First Minister at that! That’s the difference – He should go, and should resign immediately!

  • fpveritas

    FPVERITAS

    William Mc Crea MP for South Antrim had ample opportunity co condemn the sin of adultery

    By refusing to condemn sin he must condone sin

  • Paul

    Agree with you Paul, both of them should already have resigned. The Robinson case is just fascinatingly weird, though, and I think people feel more able to relish every bit of its entertainment value precisely because it doesn’t involve the rape of a child.
    Posted by Danny Boy on Jan 08, 2010 @ 11:25

    Yes danny you are right however I am so bloody angry at some of the commenters and the media as a whole.Who more or less have let Gerry adams and the sinners off the hook in relation to a child abuse scandal in which you quite rightly point out A FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD WAS RAPED.I have never felt so bloody angry in all my life.PR will almost certaintly have to go.WHAT ABOUT GERRY ADAMS HEY FOLKS IN THE CHILD ABUSE CASE AND HIS BLANTANT PUBLIC LIES AND COVER UP OR IS THAT LESS INPORTANT BLOODY DISGRACFUL.??????????????????????????

  • Paul

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    There’s no comparison between Gerry Adams and Robinson. Gerry is an ordinary MLA backbencher – Peter Robinson is actually in the government, and First Minister at that! That’s the difference – He should go, and should resign immediately!
    Posted by LottaNonsense on Jan 08, 2010 @ 11:30 AM

    RUBBISH Gerry ADAMS is sinn fein leader MP MLA so dont give me or the posters that silly line of excuses aDAMS should of resigned you hear me two weeks ago .Gerry adams has told blantant public untruths in a child abuse scandal your post is shameful and others in the sinners inner circle have also told untruths.theres being a cover up and i am sickened to the fact that adams is getting let off the hook while PR is quite rightly getting it both have to go.Gerry adams should of resigned two weeks ago its time the media got a grip did there job i tell you what i thought the sinners had some face but for gerry adams to as we speak still be SF leader is a disgrace.

  • Danny Boy

    I haven’t seen the Andersonstown News yet but no doubt they’ll make the most of the Robinsons. There’s still been no mention of the Adams case apart from a standard ‘this is a family tragedy, we are all victims’ type edition of Gerry’s regular column. Not a text on the text pages – there’s no way in hell that none at all have been sent.

    If Gerry is to be got rid of it will have to be his own constituency who gets rid of him, and that depends how insulted they feel about being sold this guff as their ‘community’ paper while the very same news stands hold the Irish News and its important questions about how the community’s children were put in danger by its elected representatives.

  • iluvni

    If the Poots or any from the DUP had spoken out before today about Adams’ despicable behaviour (with regard to his brother) and questioned exactly when and what the deputy First Minister knew about the scandal, they’d have a little more credibility….as it is they remained mute until the shit his the fan about their own leaders sleaze.

  • sluggisht

    So when do we start hearing the excuses that it’s dissidents planting the stories in the BBC who obviously have an agenda in running this story, when it is clear Robinson did all that he could around a sensitive family issue that was not of his own doing? Hmmmm?

    Worked for Adams, shouldn’t it work for Robinson?

  • Mr. J.

    Sluggisht,

    Change dissidents to the TUV, and it just might.

  • Paul

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    If the Poots or any from the DUP had spoken out before today about Adams’ despicable behaviour (with regard to his brother) and questioned exactly when and what the deputy First Minister knew about the scandal, they’d have a little more credibility….as it is they remained mute until the shit his the fan about their own leaders sleaze.
    Posted by iluvni on Jan 08, 2010 @ 11:51 AM

    Yes i totally agree people should of spoken out its now time for all politicans and everybody everywhere in this country to say loud and clear that Gerry adams is not fit to hold public office as leader of sinn fein he must resign and resign now.This man gerry adams has told public blantant untruths in a child abuse scandal and theres being a cover up and so have other sinn fein politicans accounts in this scandal like arthur morgan whos accounts also indicate hes being telling untruths as well.I demand that gerry adams resigns as leader of sinn fein he does not have the moral authority to carry on as leader.And thats a fact

  • Paul

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    So when do we start hearing the excuses that it’s dissidents planting the stories in the BBC who obviously have an agenda in running this story, when it is clear Robinson did all that he could around a sensitive family issue that was not of his own doing? Hmmmm?

    Worked for Adams, shouldn’t it work for Robinson?
    Posted by sluggisht on Jan 08, 2010 @ 11:54 AM

    There is merit in what you say the fact is gerry adams has being allowed to get off the hook and its sickening.The spotlight is quite rightly on PR but equally there should be of being twice as much spotlight on Adams for god sake theres no comparison ones a finacial one and the other a child abuse scandal.the focus should be on adams 150 percent more.bloody disgracful it seems our childrens safety is not as important.i am so bloody angry its untrue.

  • Metric Fine

    From the ‘Hero of Clontibret’ to ‘St Peter the Martyr’ to ‘Trailer Park Conspirator’ in just 2 days….its all so ‘Lagan Valley PTA’

    The key point, and Mick Fealty got it exactly right on Wednesday, is that this is now a test for serious journalism. The BBC don’t actually deserve as much praise in this instance as one might think. This is 1/very high profile and ‘scandalous’ and 2/the conscientious Mr. Black and a willing Mr. McCambley made it easy (and probably cheap) to put on air. Don’t get me wrong here, it was an excellent piece, but it was reportage rather than investigative journalism. The Media here, with a very few exceptions, have traditionally walked away from many an important story because it wasn’t ‘handy’. The ‘everybody knows but nobody talks’ mentality doesn’t help.

    The Media need to start earning their keep across the political spectrum…a good place to start might be the drafting of the Castlereagh Council criteria in the advertising of the Cafe franchise, and a close look at the financing of the construction and maintenance of the Robinson Family Compound might be another. The apparently phenomenally high turnover of the Cafe might be worth a look also.

    On the broader front, the continuing secrecy in regards to the donations made to Political Parties here is a scandal which the Media have left to one side for years….of course the ongoing presence of the fringe ‘Jehadi Paddys’ and ‘Psyco Billies’ are very useful here as they could ‘terrorise’ named donors…handy that.

    I wonder what would happen to donors who hedge their bets by cross funding the Parties? Those names might raise a few eyebrows.

    We are trapped in the ‘Long Fraud’ that is the Troubles and Ulster Politics. The core electorate of Party zombies won’t change that….good journalism and conscientious whistle-blowers can.

  • KateMcC

    Gerry is a Parliamentarian and could become a government minister at anytime he chose, so the ‘corruption of government’ argument is a whitewash. I don’t think the Robinson affair will sweep the Adams story aside, Sinn Fein’s demands for answers are indeed laughable as is the rush of other political leaders to comment.
    Poots comments is a warning to Sinn Fein, YOU MAKE TROUBLE FOR US…
    The media did a good job on this but agree with Paul the failure of the same to examine the Adams affairs is hypocrital and once again that money and property comes before human rights.
    Has the Child Commission commented on the Adams affair yet?
    Has Father Troy been available for interview or indeed been asked again?
    Who did Adams speak to at Clonard and the youth clubs?
    Would like to be a fly on the wall in the office of the OFMDFM, I’m sure the moral integrity of SF will have Robinson shitting himself!
    What deal will be struck?
    Will Robinson lose his scalp whilst Gerry keeps his?

  • Robinson will hopefully survive as any technical breaches of the standards of office should be viewed in the context of extremely difficult personal circumstances, namely the very embarassing position his wife put him in. Like in the Adams case, both men have reacted incorrectly to alleged wrong doing in their family, and have tried to in their own way to resolve the issue, but there does not appear to be any actual laws broken by them and most people should fairly aks themselves would they have acted any differently themselves.

    But an early Assembly election will be inevitable as Robinson will not now be in a strong enough position to make a deal with SF and this should be a time for the Unionist parties to meet and cooperate fully in order to minimise any electoral damage.

  • Mr. J.

    Metric,

    Extremely well put. The relationship and backscratching between the media and the politicians of ‘our wee country’ has made me uncomfortable for a long time, and I’ve been in a position to witness it.

    It would be heartening to see the media pursue our elected representatives, rather than just keep up with them. Understandably, the print media here have their own political agendas but that is hardly surprising. The televised outlets, however, do not.

  • Mr. J.

    MU,

    Regardless of actual rules being broken, wouldn’t you say that PR has acted against the spirit of the rules? And you can try and tie this up with a family dilemma, but it didn’t wash with GA and it certainly doesn’t wash with PR.

    And saying that people should ask themselves if they themselves would have behaved any differently. Sorry, but I don’t think that’s good enough. Both PR and GA are elected representatives, and the rules that apply to Joe and Jane Bloggs do not apply equally to them. You may not feel this is right, or fair, and I expect it isn’t fair. However, the electorate expect their politicians to be above reproach and to set a high standard.

    If said representative cannot do this, and is exposed as such, then they should step aside to prevent further discredit to their party and supporters. This applies equally to both GA and PR.

  • Drumlins Rock

    Strangely I think the political futures of Gerry and Peter could be tied together now, if Peter is forced out as FM/DUP leader for the actions of a family member he became aware of but failed to take sufficuent action over then the pressure will mount on Gerry for the same failure, however if Peter survives then Gerry will prob muddle through too, both are seriously damaged good though.

  • Paul

    The media indeed did a very good job but this is now a defining moment for the media.PR should go in my opinion and these things have a momentum of there own. but we are talking about two cases one a finacial one and the other child abuse.For god sake are we all going to put up with and live in a society no matter what backgounds we all come from and put up with a sinn fein leader who has told blantant lies and being involved in a cover up.Yet the media are not even bothering reporting it.Its bloody disgracful we the people of this country DEMAND IF PR GOES GERRY ADAMS GOES the safety of our children has being put at risk yet this man adams is still in his position as SF leader bloody unbelevable.When are the media going to do there jobs and put the same amount of effort into the adams scandal that they have n the robinson case.Get off your backsides an like lot of us we demand gerry adams resigns as SF leader now.

  • Mr J.

    “However, the electorate expect their politicians to be above reproach and to set a high standard”

    I expect politicians to do politics and to stay within the law, any high standards would be desirable but are not part of the job description.

    We are approaching a very dangerous period in Northern Ireland politics with the latest brand of the IRA intent on creating mayhem and the institutions which have brought us relative peace and stabiltiy about to collapse. In the absence of any firm evidence of law breaking Peter Robinson, who has performed admirably up unitl now, should be allowed to carry on with his job.

    Robinson and Adams are human like the rest of us and should be judged by our own standards.

  • Drumlins Rock

    unforunately MU the DUP rarely showed such humanity to others over the years. The is also the fact that Peter has not been performing, the executive under his leadership is a joke, maybe his personal issues were a distraction and he will fully focus on his role, but he is seriously damaged and long term he will probably pay the price, I guess the question is short term should he complete P&J before he goes?

  • Mr. J.

    “Robinson and Adams are human like the rest of us and should be judged by our own standards.”

    And by those standards, if you preach the importance of transparency and honesty, and then act in a self-preserving and obfuscatory manner and are found out, you should stand aside.

  • Paul

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    unforunately MU the DUP rarely showed such humanity to others over the years. The is also the fact that Peter has not been performing, the executive under his leadership is a joke, maybe his personal issues were a distraction and he will fully focus on his role, but he is seriously damaged and long term he will probably pay the price, I guess the question is short term should he complete P&J before he goes?
    Posted by Drumlins Rock on Jan 08, 2010 @ 12:54 PM

    good post I think you are right concerning PR but the same must apply to GA lets not have double standards.I certaintly will now be reconsidering my vote at the election.I wasnt going to give the time of day for the CU but feel they may now get my vote.

  • Danny Boy

    Judging both Adams and Robinson by my own standards still makes them pretty shit human beings, MU! Would I have taken a raped child to ‘confront’ her rapist, then allowed him to work with children and in my party for years? Um, no. Would I have gone to work hours after my wife tried to kill herself, not raised any objections to her working as a politician while believing her to be mentally incapable of making sound judgements, and covered up the consequences of this poor judgement? No, I really don’t think so. It’s not legal technicalities that will finish these people in the eyes of the public.

  • Drumlins Rock,

    Robinson and Paisley has helped move hardline Unionism to the centre ground of Unionist politics, humanity has nothing to do with it, Robinson needed ideally to find an accomadation with SF and allow Unionism to be in the vanguard of political progress, I fear now he will not be able to complete this task.

    We will now probably have a period of prolonged, hopefully Unionist friendly, direct rule and considerable political instability within Unionism unless a concreted effort is made to find common ground and with SF bound to make major electoral gains on the back of Unionist disarray.

  • Greenflag

    Not a word of commiseration for the UDA in all of this . There they were the guardians of the last ditch for Northern Ireland -the hard men who had spent a decade pondering over whether or not they should disarm and follow the IRA’s lead into a peaceful future .

    Anf finally when they make the break and reveal to an expectant world that their guns were being put aside instead of getting pages of publicity and congratulatory comments they are pushed off the front pages mercilessly by the mass media as they indulge in mid winter sport starring the cavortions of the First Minister’s menopausal wife and property developers and a young entrepreneur (cafe shop merchant) and some loose dosh being thrown around .

    It looks like the Robinson dynasty is soon to follow the Paisley dynasty into that cul de sac from whence they came .

    On another thread Brian Walker mentions ‘distinct’ civilisations as between Britain and Ireland ? Well whatever about Britain (mainland) there is a strong sense of deja vu in this NI tabloid tale . It’s so FF ffs 😉

  • Danny Boy,

    “Would I have taken a raped child to ‘confront’ her rapist”

    If it was my own brother and niece I think I would have done the same.

    “Would I have gone to work hours after my wife tried to kill herself”

    Peter Robinson presumably had to live with the ongoing mental instability of his wife over a prolonged period of time, her care should have requitred medical supervision.

  • Danny Boy

    I think the idea that being related to the accuser and accused in a rape case makes a rape something to be dealt with behind closed doors is one reason why such a high proportion of abuse and violence against women and children is within families. I would have thought most people now would know better than to take a child who says she has been raped by her father straight to the father she says has raped her. Have we learnt nothing?

  • Whatever happens never forget the whataboutery ! Good ol Norn Ironed

  • Paul

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    Judging both Adams and Robinson by my own standards still makes them pretty shit human beings, MU! Would I have taken a raped child to ‘confront’ her rapist, then allowed him to work with children and in my party for years? Um, no. Would I have gone to work hours after my wife tried to kill herself, not raised any objections to her working as a politician while believing her to be mentally incapable of making sound judgements, and covered up the consequences of this poor judgement? No, I really don’t think so. It’s not legal technicalities that will finish these people in the eyes of the public.
    Posted by Danny Boy on Jan 08, 2010 @ 01:04 PM

    This is one of the best posts on both issues danny you are spot on it boils down to the fact both PR and GA have to go.

  • Danny Boy,

    child abuse is an extremely complicated area, there is no right or wrong answer in my opinion as it will depend on the relationships between the various parties.

  • soln

    Paul,

    I have spoken to the Aliens, they informed me your brain is on an overnight 1st class service back to the sewer you crept out of 3 weeks ago…

  • Mr. J.

    “Would I have taken a raped child to ‘confront’ her rapist”

    If it was my own brother and niece I think I would have done the same.

    MU,

    Personally, I find that notion sickening. I think for most people, if it was their own brother and niece, they would report it immediately to the authorities to prevent any further harm occurring. In my opinion, anything less than that and you are cheapening the experience of the victim and diminishing the guilt of the perpetrator.

  • tacapall

    “Would I have taken a raped child to ‘confront’ her rapist”

    If it was my own brother and niece I think I would have done the same.

    “Would I have gone to work hours after my wife tried to kill herself”

    Any sane person would have brought both of them to the hospital to get checked out by doctors.

  • Greenflag

    MU
    MU ,
    ‘child abuse is an extremely complicated area, there is no right or wrong answer in my opinion ‘

    There is a right answer . It’s wrong , criminal and the people who commit it need to be jailed and or receive psychological treatment .

    You sound like one of those apologist bishops for the RC Church as they hemmed and hawed and covered their ears, eyes and consciences at what was happening in their midst .

    Child abuse has been a part of western civilisation and only became ‘publicised’ in the industrial revolution when it became known that tens of thousands of 4 to 15 year undersized and underfed were sent into chimney flues to die early deaths from cancers while the house owners those Victorian gentlemen of ‘morality’ turned their eyes the other way .

    It would be no different today except for the fact that our ‘leaders’ spiritual and politic are being forced not to look away .

    PS they don’t like it one little bit either .

  • Paul

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    Paul,

    I have spoken to the Aliens, they informed me your brain is on an overnight 1st class service back to the sewer you crept out of 3 weeks ago…
    Posted by soln on Jan 08, 2010 @ 01:41 PM

    Thank you the same to you with brass knobs on you low life troll.lol

  • Greenflag,

    “There is a right answer . It’s wrong , criminal and the people who commit it need to be jailed and or receive psychological treatment .”

    I’m not disputing that, but stating that probably my own first course of action would be, for something happening in my own family, to investigate for myself what was going on.