Don’t mistake the symptoms for the disease

Combined with his blunt attack on his own security system, Barack Obama’s deadline of tomorrow for a preliminary assessment of the apparently thwarted attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner will make big waves on this side of the pond. We can expect a revival of the “Londonistan ” analysis like this from Michael Burleigh.

Typically, the British elite tried to manage the problem by co-opting the self-appointed tribal chiefs, and paying them off with honours. Unfortunately, some of the so-called moderates also had outrageous views about adulterers, homosexuals or Jews, and worse, were disconnected from the radicalised youths who wished to dictate our foreign policy with bombs on buses and the Underground. In turn, under its Prevent policy, the Government perceives a difference between ”extremists” (who merely say they want to kill Jews or homosexuals), and ”violent extremists” who want to blow us all up.

Another contention is that allowing the huge figure of 1.5 million foreign students to enter the UK in eight years makes effective screening impossible. Andrew Green of Immigration Watch points out that in these strapped times, unis and colleges have a vested interest in foreign students’ fees. This scene is a recipe for disaster according the alarmed Right to which government has so far given no new answer. UCL, the university with which I’m associated is no shell outfit; it’s ranked at the country’s fourth highest performer. Abdulmutallab got in on merit. The Times reports

He is the fourth president of a London student Islamic society to face terrorist charges in three years. One is facing a retrial on charges that he was involved in the 2006 liquid bomb plot to blow up airliners. Two others have been convicted of terrorist offences since 2007. Mr Abdulmutallab left UCL last year. The Times has learnt that his attempt to renew his student visa in May this year was based on an application to study “life coaching” at a non-existent college. That visa refusal may have saved Britain from an attack

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The NY Times quotes

He would put references to Allah in the work he was doing,” ‘God is great’ would be at the end of everything he wrote,” but Mr. McGuinness said this did not strike him as done out of any extremism.”

The saving grace is that these guys had profile. Why did they break the old rule that if you want to be a sleeper, lie low? Because they couldn’t contain their commitment to the cause and needed to display it, must be an answer. Others will follow who are more disciplined. Here, I reminded of the old Danny Morrison saw: “ We only need to be lucky once.” Screening intake is one thing. Another is a far more sophisticated approach to discover the trigger points that turn a militant into a suicide bomber. A futile response would be to deny free speech and try to turn the universities into thought police. Organising a War on Terror week is a more natural activity for a career grabbing student than a would be terrorist. The neat trick is to appreciate the difference. Democracies like ours are fated to stumble towards containment, but mistaking the fish for the sea they swim is the wrong analysis.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    The political side of this puts me in mind of the movie “Blazing Saddles…”

    Governor William J. Le Petomane: We’ve gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs, gentlemen!

    Can I get a Harumph?

  • pinni

    The UK is clearly a fertile breeding ground for the disease of extreme Islam. It does not matter who the US president or the British PM happens to be, these extremists are determined to attack us.

    As shown by the Christmas Day incident, Obama’s year of grovelling and contrition before the Muslim Ummah has had little or no effect on the desire of Islamists to slaughter the infidels, by whatever means possible.

    Hopefully, recent events will help Obama to come out of denial and recognise the fact that we are at war with an enemy which absolutely detests our liberal, democratic way of life.

  • padraig

    God forbid Britain should stop killing Muslims in other countries, paying other countries to do the same, organising their own front Governments within Islam ,meddling in the National concerns of countries like Iran and giving support and comfort to right wing mass murdering governments like Israel..

    All else is like trying to put an elastoplast on a cancer

  • tacapall

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/iran-nuke-document-was-forged-just-like-iraqi-yellow-cake-document.html

    * A knowingly false linkage was made between Al Qaeda and Iraq, and – while most people forget this fact – that false linkage formed one of the main justifications for the war in Iraq

    * U.S. congressman Ron Paul stated that the government “is determined to have martial law”, and that the government is hoping to get the people “fearful enough that they will accept the man on the white horse”. He also said “a contrived Gulf of Tonkin-type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran”.

    * And former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify war against that nation. He also told the Senate that the war on terror is “a mythical historical narrative”.

    Just watch The Obama Deception

    Rule out the impossible whatevers left however improbable must be the truth.

  • Comrade Stalin

    As shown by the Christmas Day incident, Obama’s year of grovelling and contrition before the Muslim Ummah has had little or no effect on the desire of Islamists to slaughter the infidels, by whatever means possible.

    What I think the Christmas Day incident shows is that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan haven’t had any impact on reducing terrorist attacks. The USA missed a bullet this Christmas out of pure luck.

    The USA needs, in concert with its allies, to focus on sharpening its anti-terrorist intelligence capability, ensuring that it receives the information necessary to identify imminent attacks, and also ensuring that the information is acted upon swiftly. This breakdown in communication was evident with the 9/11 attacks (Al Quaeda’s potential to cause harm, and the possibility that they would launch an attack, was known about and ignored by the Bush administration according to Richard Clarke), and it’s disheartening to see that nearly 10 years on that no serious work has been undertaken to address this.

    Rather than engaging in bigoted rants about people based on their religion, we need to debate seriously how this threat can be properly extinguished. Because whatever we’ve done up until now has not worked.

  • pinni

    Comrade Stalin,

    You do not put a sticking plaster on a cancer, you destroy the cancer.

    In case you have forgotten, 9/11 happened before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. And now the idiots over at the Guardian are trying to say that the Christmas attack was in response to the missile strikes in Yemen a few days before Christmas, of course conveniently forgetting the fact that this attack has been in preparation for months.

    Your assertion that ‘The USA missed a bullet this Christmas out of pure luck.’ is actually a little misleading. The reality is that government controlled, politically correct screening of terrorists failed and ordinary people had to take matters into their own hands. I for one am becoming increasingly frustrated that I have to be subjected to more and more humiliating treatment at airports just because of a bunch of Muslim fanatics.

    That’s right, Muslim fanatics, because they are the only ones who, for decades now, have been murdering innocent airplane travellers for their own political and religious objectives. There is nothing bigoted about that. It’s just a statement of fact which you do not want to face up to.

    Maybe it’s time for segregated airline travel, that way the Muslims can blow themselves up all they want.

    I repeat my original assertion: Obama’s year of grovelling and contrition before the Muslim Ummah has had little or no effect on the desire of Islamists to slaughter the infidels, by whatever means possible.

  • tacapall

    How can a person on the FBI’s terror list, board a plane from Amsderdam without a passport on a flight destined for America in this day and age and carry explosives on board. Unbelievable !

  • RepublicanStones

    I doubt anyone would use the term Jew York and rightly so. But we have the likes of Melanie Phillips encouraging the idiotic ‘Londonistan’ without any hint of irony. Just all part of the dehumanising process some of the wests great defenders like to engage in.
    And it seems we still have idiots who pretend foreign policy has nothing to do with this problem.

  • willis

    Londonistan eh?

    The Times editorial on the 19th of January 1858 declared that:
    “every civilised people on the face of the earth must be fully aware that this country is the asylum of nations, and that it would defend the asylum to the last drop of its blood. There is no point on which we are prouder or more resolute […] We are a nation of refugees.”8

    http://www.researchasylum.org.uk/pdfs/Brief_History_of_Asylum.pdf

  • Dread Cthulhu

    RS: “I doubt anyone would use the term Jew York and rightly so. ”

    Certainly not since Rev. Jackson declared it “Hymietown” in the eighties…

  • pinni

    For the times they are a-changin!

  • Dread Cthulhu

    pinni: “Your assertion that ‘The USA missed a bullet this Christmas out of pure luck.’ is actually a little misleading. The reality is that government controlled, politically correct screening of terrorists failed and ordinary people had to take matters into their own hands.”

    Sure… but then there is the small matter of the fact that the detonator failed, reducing the explosive to “mere” incendiary. That was, frankly, pure luck.

  • I hate to be defeatist but security goons at airports with barely a high school education and earning minimum wage are not going to catch determined terrorists. And national intelligence agencies will never stop every terrorist with evil intentions (We don’t need reminding how effective the intelligence agencies in Amsterdam were with someone already on their watch list). And your average airport screening will not detect explosives inside a terrorist’s body (as happened in September in Saudi Arabia).

    This isn’t pc but it’s the optimum solution at the moment: If you are a Muslim, or from a major Muslim country, or have converted, or move in Muslim circles, or support Muslim extremists, you need to accept the fact that you will subjected to special security screening by security specialists before you are allowed to board a plane. End of. If some individuals are unhappy, so be it. Having a handful of irritated passengers is a small price to pay to ensure that 300 innocents aren’t blown out of the heavens

    You can debate all day (all year?) the reasons why Muslims are attacking the West. That’s a separate issue. What is vital is that citizens of the West (including Muslims) get the fullest protection possible against terrorist attacks.

    N.Exile (formerly Exile1)

  • pinni

    You’re right Dread Cthulhu. The scum only have to be lucky once.

  • tacapall

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/how-stupid-do-they-think-we-are.html

    Not only is Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab permitted on to the plane without a passport, he is accompanied by a ’smart dressed man’ who smooths the way for him. Call it a hunch but I’d say it’s fair bet that the ‘Indian looking gentleman’ was on the payroll of the Mossad/CIA/NSA/MI6 globalist terror organisation. The CCTV cameras that cover the Schipol Airport complex should provide all the evidence necessary to identify and apprehend Umar’s smartly attired escort but I doubt any of us will fall off our chairs in shock, when it is announced that there was a system failure at the precise times that the scruffy student and his dapper chaperone were making their way to the gate.

    Neither will anyone be surprised to learn that the Company responsible for security at Schipol is none other that ICTS. The same company that was responsible for the security at all the airports from where the planes allegedly departed on 9/11 and was responsible for the security camera network on the London Underground on 7/7. Clearly ICTS is regarded as a ’safe pair of hands’ by the perpetrators of these Hollywood style events but that should be of no real surprise to anyone who has conducted even the most cursory research into this organisation.

  • willis

    Who to believe?

    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/dutch_counter-terrorism_agency.html

    The name on the passport wasn’t George Ivan Morrison III by any chance?

  • pinni

    Well, the results are in: and Cheney wins by a mile. Time for Obama to kick some butt!