Adams: Safe at home, vulnerable away…

Worth noting in passing Squinter’s straw poll of sentiment in West Belfast suggests that Gerry Adams’ support is undiminished in his own political heartland… It’s a point I made myself on GMU last Thursday (about 8.20)… It, I would suggest, indicates there is no immediate threat to Adams in the Westminsters (the SDLP are nowhere and ‘other’ republicans have made zero progress in developing a functional alternative to SF’s strategy)…

The ‘political problem’ has more to do with wider party morale than Adams personal fortune in the short termn per se… (In East Tyrone and South Armagh, Slugger hears that people are much less impressed with the party leader’s response underfire than those in his own parish, so to speak)… And the democratic centralism of the party means the party will not bend easily to opinions of the media, new or old…

It remains to be seen just how (if at all) it will affect the party’s (ill concieved IMHO) attempt to rack up pressure on the DUP over the devolution of policing and justice…

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  • ranger1640

    Adams in the Andytownnews “Gerry Adams says he could have handled things differently when it came to dealing with allegations by his niece that she was sexually abused by her father, Gerry Adams’ brother Liam”.

    If the eejit can’t get the straightforward issue of child abuse right, what else is the bugling eejit getting wrong.

    The electorate of west Belfast needs to ask themselves that question?

  • percy

    perhaps its best to read on ranger1640

    “…In the meantime, the bad news for those rubbing their hands with glee in the midst of a family’s agony is this: In West Belfast, Gerry Adams has gained a huge amount of sympathy and respect for the way he has handled himself in the past few days”

    Have you made a clown of yourself?

    and if you didn’t get that, try this:

    as to your contention that the issue of child abuse is a straightforward issue:

    “Of course, every other person faced with trauma of that magnitude copes admirably, does everything according to the book and is left feeling nothing but a warm glow of self-satisfaction at having played a perfect hand. If only…”

    Oh dear ranger1640, your first mistake comes under “comprehension classes required”
    the second mistake ” smug self-righteousness ” is perhaps more difficult for you to address.

  • Only Asking

    I agree with you Mick,about the comparison to Paisley, I said that here the other evening and C.S. disagreed. I also said he’d go only at his chosing, but on the one hand you say that the feeling within the party may be different to that on the ground,in West Belfast? Is it really and what do you base this on? Theres nothing in the public domain to say this is so, theres not even a teeny weeny bit of graffitti to point to that there may be any dissatisfaction on this issue in west Belfast. How unusual is that?

    It’s beginning to look like a media storm in a tea cup, and poor Aine and the child abuse issue has been pushed to one side due to the agendas of others. I think thats the saddest thing about all of this really.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I’m wondering how seriously to take Squinter articles, given how the man published several articles a while back about how Adams was a crap MP and lots of people were grumbling, the latest of which led to an embarassing climbdown by the same publication.

    The trouble for Gerry is that he doesn’t even have plausible deniability on his side.

  • Only Asking

    The trouble for Gerry is that he doesn’t even have plausible deniability on his side

    CS where is the trouble for him and with whom?

    Where is the tangible evidence? A media row over whether or not he canvassed in Dundalk, no one in West Belfast would give a care about that? The biggest problem Gerry had is in relation to the B’mount and Clonard youth facilities where his brother worked, once that was sorted his problems politically went away.

  • Mr Crowley

    Percy, the Brits knew about the paedophilia for over 20 years; it’s only one of many things that they could have used against him, going back decades and including fingerprints in getaway cars, yet they chose not to. Publicly that is.

    Adams has been damaged goods for decades and he has wrought immeasurable damage on Irish Republicanism. I believe that this paedophilia issue is one of the means by which the British have been able to manipulate Adams in their conflict management exercises.

  • Only Asking

    Prove it Mr Crowley, while those around Adams may have been compromised theres no indication that he was compromised. Put your money where your mouth is.

  • tacapall

    The biggest problem Gerry had is in relation to the B’mount and Clonard youth facilities where his brother worked, once that was sorted his problems politically went away.

    How has this gone away ? Bit like the RUC investigating the RUC, when the answers as to how he was passed and gained employment in these clubs are answered then it will go away.

  • Alias

    “And the democratic centralism of the party means the party will not bend easily to opinions of the media, new or old…”

    All leaders of cults nurture a distrust of outsiders among the cult’s members with the express purpose of undermining any external criticism of the cult or its leaders from those who are not dedicated to the leader or the aim of the cult.

    These cults demand unquestioning loyalty of their members, and the leaders of these cults never tolerate any criticism of the role of the leadership, presenting any such criticism as a lack of commitment to the other members and their shared aim when in actuality such criticism may demonstrate a greater commitment to the other members and their shared aim than the leadership.

    The leadership of the Shinners instilled that cult’s members with a fear, distrust and even hatred of outsiders, presenting any criticism of the cult as an attempt by Perfidious Albion to divide and conquer them. Anyone who made any pointed criticism of the cult in the media was accused as being in the employment of British intelligence, and so the cult members were encouraged to disregard this criticism.

    The cult members believed that this blind faith in their leadership was their greatest strength when in actuality it was their greatest weakness. It meant that whoever led the leaders of the cult could lead the members of the cult wherever they wanted them to go without the cult members ever suspecting it. As Margaret Thatcher put this security strategy of making anti-state groups pro-state and integrating them into a consolidated British state: “The minority should be led to support or at least acquiesce in the constitutional framework of the state in which they live.” (Thatcher, 1993, p.384)

    And so they were led to formally renounce their right to national self-determination and their claim to an Irish nation-state, formally endorsing the legitimacy of British sovereignty over them and, indeed, assisting in the administration of British Rule rather than opposing it.

    And still the cult members don’t even know it…

  • ranger1640

    Yes Percy, there’s the victim in Gerry coming shining through untarnished!!!

    Blind obedience!!!

    Adams, must think himself the luckiest man in Ireland. He now knows he can get way with anything!!!

  • Only Asking

    Bit like the RUC investigating the RUC, when the answers as to how he was passed and gained employment in these clubs are answered then it will go away.

    That will be a matter for the courts. Until then this issue appears to have gone away in the media. It’s answered, not wholly satisfactorily, since nothing can be published due to data protection. It should all come out in the courts wash, until then it won’t cause Adams any political problems.

  • Only Asking

    He now knows he can get way with anything!!!

    What did he get away with?

  • Paul

    This scandal will run and run and no amount of the sinners/trolls/spinners attempts and distracting and deflecting attention away from Gerry adams who has told blantant untruths will work his position is untenable.The book will be out soon as well when adams again will exposed for what he is.

  • Mr Crowley

    Percy, the Brits knew that Adams’ brother was a paedo when his daughter reported it to the RUC. Would you not consider that to be something that would compromise him?
    Given the amount of surveillance and informers within and around the Adams family it is logical to conclude that they would have known that Gerry Snr had questions raised about him too; would this also not have compromised Gerry Adams jnr?

  • ranger1640

    Only you answered it your self: it won’t cause Adams any political problems.

  • alan56

    GA is damaged by this. Denying that just is not credible. Whether or not it will be serious political damage is another matter. These things tend to make supporters ‘circle the wagons’.

  • tacapall

    That will be a matter for the courts. Until then this issue appears to have gone away in the media. It’s answered, not wholly satisfactorily, since nothing can be published due to data protection. It should all come out in the courts wash, until then it won’t cause Adams any political problems.

    Maybe they should look at who worked on the board of directors of these clubs for answers

  • Mr Crowley

    Most of the agencies contacted have stated that they checked their records and could find no evidence of Gerry Adams ever warning them about Liam; sure APRN was promoting him as a youth worker as late as this decade; how did Gerry miss that one? I mean it was over 10 years after he was made aware of the allegations; which he believes. Why then was he allowing party resources to be used to promote someone, known to him as a paedo, as a youth worker?

  • Paul McMahon

    Interesting in Squinter’s article that both Gerry & Liam Adams are named while Aine is relegated to the position of ‘his neice’.

  • percy

    nothing to debate here, as all but “only asking” are indulging their perverted fantasies,
    backed up with nothing.

    might as well enjoy listening to the waterboys!

  • Paul

    it won’t cause Adams any political problems.
    Posted by Only Asking on Dec 29, 2009 @ 02:23 PM

    You are living in cloud cukoo land Gerry adams and sinn fein are up to there necks in it.If you seriously think this appalling scandal wont cause Adams any plitical problems you are not living in the real world.Adams HAS TOLD BLANTANT UNTRUTHS he has no moral authority to carry on as sinn fein leader.The questions remain unanswered theres more to come on this you can bet on that.and anybody daft enough to keep defending this man will look even more foolish than they already are.

  • Only Asking

    Paul
    The link states:
    an abuse allegation by a daughter against her father

    I suppose there is no correct way in refering to a victim, of child sex abuse.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    I agree with Mr. Crowley…gerry adams might have been compromised. It is the way the RUC did things…get informers from people who have hidden secrets…and the question can and MUST be asked…was gerry adams compromised.

    It has been reported that gerry adams and martin mcguiness’s car was bugged when they went to speak to the leadership of the IRA about decomissioning several years ago. The sinn fein offices were bugged (I think they even tried to sell the device on ebay). And when denis donaldson a friend of gerry adams was outed as a british spy…gerry had kind words to say about it….
    yes, the question has been asked and the situation exists…was gerry adams compromised by the RUC and or the british gov’t.

  • Mr Crowley

    Jog on Percy, seeing as you have no interest in answering questions. You’ll never see the hole of the moon regardless of your emperor’s nakedness.

  • Only Asking

    Paul (mc mahon) that should read.

  • Only Asking

    Kathy C,

    was gerry adams compromised by the RUC and or the british gov’t.

    After that big outline Kathy are you suggesting there is doubt in your mind that he was compromised? Of course the brits were going to try get intelligence, what did you expect? All that remains is the damning few kind words about Donaldson, (you forgot scap), so do these few kind words seal his fate in your view or not?

  • Paul McMahon

    “I suppose there is no correct way in refering to a victim, of child sex abuse”

    There actually is OA, Aine has waived her anonymity so she should be referred to as the person that she is.

    Both Gerry & Liam Adams are referred to by name in the article while Aine’s status is relegated to that of a possesive pronoun, [“his neice”], this suggests to me that the focus has been taken away from the abuse victim.

  • Only Asking

    I agree with you focus has been taken away from the victim, almost since the start. However there is something positive there in that at least they haven’t been snipping at each other in the media. Focus should be returned to what this is about.

  • percy

    aleister Crowley,I presume

    apart from your conspiracies, the answers are in the text of the article quoted by Mick.
    Adams is going to survive.

    Yourself and Paul and KathyC don’t seem to get this;
    like I said try re-reading the article.
    instead of perverted fantasy indulgence

    sorry to rain on your parade, but
    “does my face look bovvered” as Catherine Tate’s character would say

  • bogexile

    The useful idiots in the tower blocks can’t or won’t be troubled by the moral ambiguities of this grubby tale. Nor will any questions be raised in the hinterlands of west Belfast on what the impact on Adams was in his formative years being raised by a child molester.

    The tragedy at the centre of this is a woman who has made allegations of abuse. The far lesser tragedy for those of us long sickened by Adams’ ability to slide from twinkly eyed statesman to cold blooded apologist for murder without a glove being laid on him is his disintegrating future in the wider public eye.

  • percy

    Alias
    I left you out, I’m sorry.
    however what can I say;
    as you’ve got us all down as a sheep, except
    baa! baa!

  • Paul

    I suppose there is no correct way in refering to a victim, of child sex abuse.
    Posted by Only Asking on Dec 29, 2009 @ 03:12 PM

    yet more clap trap above from only asking who refuses to see because hes blinkered gerry adams has told blantant untruths thats a fact.Now its time you sinners/trolls/spinners understood that your pathatic attempts at spiining and trying to get Gerry adams off the hook wont work.Adams has no moral authorirty to carry on fact hes told blantant untruths any other party leader would off gone by now.Wether you like it or not adams position is untenable

  • Mr Crowley

    Percy wrote:
    aleister Crowley,I presume

    apart from your conspiracies, the answers are in the text of the article quoted by Mick.
    Adams is going to survive.

    Yourself and Paul and KathyC don’t seem to get this;
    like I said try re-reading the article.
    instead of perverted fantasy indulgence…………

    It’s a question not of whether he will survive but more of whether he should survive.

    No point in accusing people of “perverted fantasy indulgence” when it is you who is defending someone who knowingly associated with and enabled a known paedophile.

  • Paul

    What did he get away with?
    Posted by Only Asking on Dec 29, 2009 @ 02:24 PM

    You really have hit ROCK BOTTOM you should hang your head in shame.

  • Paul McMahon

    “However there is something positive there in that at least they haven’t been snipping at each other in the media”

    I don’t understand this OA. Could you please explain it?

  • Lionel Hutz

    I have to agree with the article but also like to add that Gerry Adams doesn’t have the same profile away from home, hasn’t for years. If this was Martin McGuinness, then I think the ripples would be me more far reaching.

    As it is, most Republicans only see Gerry once in a while when he does a chat show style interview. They love him for it. That may be damaged in future but I doubt it because in this context, the viewer is much more sympathetic than when watching the political programmes.

    I can’t speak for west Belfast mind you and I wouldn’t surprise me that those people who should be looking at his political credibility as their representative simply turn a blind eye. I don’t think this a problem for Sinn Fein in the north at all, Gerry is important enough. It will be intresting however, to see how much exposure SF give him during a general election.

  • Paul

    #

    Prove it Mr Crowley, while those around Adams may have been compromised theres no indication that he was compromised. Put your money where your mouth is.
    Posted by Only Asking on Dec 29, 2009 @ 02:17 PM

    Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and stop lecturing others.Who else within sinn feins inner circle knew about adams brother.Before you say no one how on earth do you or anyone else know that they didnt?.With adams telling blantant untruths there is more than enough whiff of a cover up.Theres going to be much wider stuff coming out on this and the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth will do justice will be done.

  • IRIA

    Wasn’t GA’s other brother exiled for touting? Our very own Ingram has said that GA’s other brother was touting on GA’s whereabouts to the FRU.

  • percy

    crowley
    I accuse no-one, you’re own words do that:
    Brits,RUC,informers.. this isn’t an episode of spooks you know.

    as for paul,
    if I’d a pound for every-time he said
    “hang your head in shame” I’d be a rich man.. lol

    Just give it up lads, lick yer wounds and
    better luck next time. .. lol

  • Paul

    #

    crowley
    I accuse no-one, you’re own words do that:
    Brits,RUC,informers.. this isn’t an episode of spooks you know.

    as for paul,
    if I’d a pound for every-time he said
    “hang your head in shame” I’d be a rich man.. lol

    Just give it up lads, lick yer wounds and
    better luck next time. .. lol
    Posted by percy on Dec 29, 2009 @ 04:07 PM

    well folks we have percy the poster pubilcly posting with glee that he thinks Adams is off the hook after the sinn fein leader has told blantant untruths in this appaling scandal.lick your wounds you say we shall see theres more to come out on this and we shall see whos licking there wounds then hey sonny.When justice will quite rightly be done for the victim and Gerry adams resigns his position wether its today or when the book comes out.Adams is finished and you had better get use to it.

  • Only Asking

    I don’t understand this OA. Could you please explain it?

    I mean that at least the family aren’t at odds with each other in public over how this got handled, there is no snipping back and forth between them, which is positive. The one at fault here is Liam Adams, and both Aine, and Gerry (who is obviously spokespeson for the family) blame him and have called for him to give himself up. The media intrusion must have been immense for all concerned, and difficult for all.

    Theres going to be much wider stuff coming out on this

    aye so ye keep sayin, go on gimmie a clue what it could be?

  • “the democratic centralism of the party”

    Centralism, probably; democratic, hardly. SF is the political wing of the Provisional Republican Movement; it’s ‘managed’ by the PRM’s Army Council.

    Did the East Tyrone and South Armagh brigades support the ‘peace process’ or were some of its members sacrificed because of their opposition? Did they hold onto to their munitions following the 1994 cessation?

    Those who’ve voted for SF lack credibility when they pontificate on child abuse.

  • Only Asking

    Those who’ve voted for SF lack credibility when they pontificate on child abuse.

    I often wonder at the mentality behind such statements. Does that mean those who voted for Hamas also lack credibility, if not how do you discriminate>

  • Mr Crowley

    crowley
    I accuse no-one, you’re own words do that:
    Brits,RUC,informers.. this isn’t an episode of spooks you know.
    Posted by percy on Dec 29, 2009 @ 04:07 PM

    Percy, just because you are slavishly defending Dear Leader it doesn’t mean that you have to adhere to his attitude towards the truth. You said:

    “try re-reading the article. instead of perverted fantasy indulgence”

    That’s an allegation and a rather rich one at that. How can you accuse others of perversion when you are supporting a man who associated with, enabled, promoted and protected a known paedophile? It doesn’t get much more perverse than that.

  • Only Asking

    enabled,

    GA enabled LA to be a paedo?

    lol

    promoted

    Looks like he canvassed with him but also got him out of SF

    protected

    By discussing his case with two chief constables, and calling on him to give himself up? By saying he could have handled things better?

  • Paul

    I often wonder at the mentality behind such statements.
    Posted by Only Asking on Dec 29, 2009 @ 04:23 PM

    i think that all posters and members of the public will agree with your statement in the context of yours and the sinners/trolls/spinners at the mentality of trying in vain to get adams off the hook.AS for more coming out we have the sunday tribune aritcle.i would put money there will be more to come out about adams blantant untruths which we have all witnessed.Apart from the likes off you who refuse to see that his position is untenable.

  • Only Asking

    i think that all posters and members of the public will agree with your statement in the context of yours and the sinners/trolls/spinners at the mentality of trying in vain to get adams off the hook

    Tossing both sides of the argument is attempting to get adams off the hook? Carefull your soap box is wobbly 😉

  • Paul McMahon

    The Corrigan / Tyrrel family have kept a dignified silence throughout I don’t think that that would have changed had the circumstances been different.

    The family’s only focus has been in getting closure for Aine. Exposing Aine’s rape by her father was certain to shine lights in other places however that was secondary to the central element of the exposure and, as Aine was continuouslly let down by those that should have helped her there was no other avenue of action.

    Liam Adams is indeed the accused here and, I predict, when the case comes to court he will plead guilty in order to keep a lid on things however, others also have questions to answer in their involvement in this case not least Gerry Adams, the [then] RUC, Social Services and Aidan Troy.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi Only Asking, You asked me if I believed gerry adams had been compromised. His driver (Roy McShane) was outed as a briths spy, he and martin mcguiness put denis donaldson in to oversee the US support and to destroy anyone who disagreed with adams/mcguiness and donaldson was outed as a britsh informer/spy, this coupled with how gerry adams switched from saying the orange order marches were akin to the KKK marching in harlem and theorange order was a hate organazation and then a few months stating the orange order had a right to march in a United Ireland (why the switch???) yes, I do believe gerry adams was and is compromised.

  • Only Asking, you’re deflection is noted. Those who feel comfortable with fascism and organised crime should have few qualms about voting SF and will look silly when they finger-point at errant religious.

  • Mr Crowley

    Enabled = Allowed him to go on working in youth projects decades after becoming aware that he was a paedophile. A bit like the way the Catholic church moved priests around.

    Promoted = Liam Adams was being promoted as a youth worker in APRN decades after GA became aware that he was a paedo. Dy’a think GA hasn’t content control over Provda?

    Protected = Allowed for LA to live in various accommodations provided by the RM in Donegal and Dundalk when people guilty of similar crimes but not related to Gerry would have been exiled or shot.

    It’s not rocket science, unless of course you are some form of rockethead.

  • Only Asking

    Those around him certainly were, and with much evidence to prove it. However as Adams delivered quite poorly on republicanism, and what was wanted, he fell very short of some expectations, that is no reason to jump to conspiracy theories and believe he was compromised. I don’t think Adams was an agent nor an unthinking tool for the British, I do however think his options were limited as to what he could get. But this was always the case if one looks at this realistically. There was never going to be a military win maybe what he got was as good as it would get? The RM certainly held out for long enough over the arms issue. What did you expect he would come up with? Did you believe the RM could deliver a UI and when that didn’t happen look for someone to scapegoat as an agent who compromised it?

    Paul McMahon, agreed re others needing to answer some questions, and it was right to question GA and his role in this. It took courage for the young mother to go public, and good luck to her in getting justice and closure.

  • Only Asking

    Only Asking, you’re deflection is noted.

    No deflection Nevin. Do you have an answer?

  • Kathy C, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and Jackie McDonald are and have been a protected species for quite some time so far as London, Dublin and, presumably, Washington are concerned. They are people they can do business with; they may also be people they have compromising information on.

  • I’d be answering a deflection – from my perspective, Only Asking 😉

  • Only Asking

    Enabled = Allowed him to go on working in youth projects decades after becoming aware that he was a paedophile.

    As has already been noted the then RUc and social services have questions to answer.

  • Only Asking

    I’d be answering a deflection – from my perspective, Only Asking 😉

    I’m still interested Nevin 😉 Can’t be accused of letting someone else of the hook can I?

  • “The RM certainly held out for long enough over the arms issue”

    IMO 9/11 brought about an RM ‘change of heart’. Pressure from Washington made the difference despite any claims made by the DUP.

  • IRIA

    “saying the orange order marches were akin to the KKK marching in harlem and theorange order was a hate organazation and then a few months stating the orange order had a right to march in a United Ireland (why the switch???)”

    Kathy C:

    You’re other examples are worthy enough for speculation, but the above is likely to be political posturing. SF went from a militant organization to a political one. From (trying) to drive the Brits out to trying to convince the “other” side that a United Ireland is in their interest and their traditions would be included.

  • Only Asking, and there was me thinking you sought to impale me on a deflection hook 🙂

  • Only Asking

    IMO 9/11 brought about an RM ‘change of heart’.

    Thats true.

    Only Asking, and there was me thinking you sought to impale me on a deflection hook 🙂

    never never never nevin 😉

  • Alias

    “SF went from a militant organization to a political one.” – IRIA

    In reality, they went from rejecting the legitimacy of the constitutional status of Northern Ireland to accepting it because that is what those who are charged with defending the realm led them to do:

    Here is the constitutional status of Northern Ireland as declared in the Ireland Act, 1949:

    “It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland remains part of His Majesty’s dominions and of the United Kingdom and it is hereby affirmed that in no event will Northern Ireland or any part thereof cease to be part of His Majesty’s dominions and of the United Kingdom, without the consent of the Parliament of Northern Ireland.”

    Here is the constitutional status of Northern Ireland as declared in the The Northern Ireland Act, 1998:

    “It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1.”

    No change. The only difference is that their supporters rejected the legitimacy of British Rule before the Provos but now they don’t.

  • Paul

    Here is the constitutional status of Northern Ireland as declared in the The Northern Ireland Act, 1998:

    “It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1.”

    No change. The only difference is that their supporters rejected the legitimacy of British Rule before the Provos but now they don’t.
    Posted by Alias on Dec 29, 2009 @ 05:41 PM

    This post is off topic.I think NI would now be better of in some kind of agreed Ireland.A fedral Ireland would suit me.The antics of the TUV and others really does turn me off

  • Panic, these ones like it up em.

    No man is indispensable. Be you Gerry Adams or an other.

    Gerry is getting altogether too complex.

    This complexity is not an asset to a politician or his/her party.

  • Mr Crowley

    No man is indispensable. Be you Gerry Adams or an other.

    Gerry is getting altogether too complex.

    This complexity is not an asset to a politician or his/her party.
    Posted by Panic, these ones like it up em. on Dec 29, 2009 @ 06:32 PM

    Neither is the complexity an asset to the Republican people over whom Adams assumes leadership. The complexity and the manner in which it opens up avenues of compromise would suggest that Adams has been an asset of an entirely different nature; to the detriment of Ireland and the Irish people.

  • granni trixie

    Squinter brings to mind the words of Mandy Rice Davies, “he would say that wouldn’t he”.

  • heamaisbharney

    Questioning whether Gery Adams will ‘survive’ ignores the logic of asking what he will ‘survive’ as. He will regain his parliamentary seat in London and will remain president of Sinn Fein for a while longer but how will he be seen outside West Belfast? Will he be viewed as solid and dependable in all circumstances or as a ‘bit dodgy’? Will he be viewed as the great ‘peace processor’ or as the great ‘coverer upper’? In the circles Squinter moves there may well be great sympathy for him and I’ve found some of that in the border area too but I’ve found far more disquiet and, among the older people, also a certain disgust that Gerry brought his dead father into the equation. It’s very noticeable that no leading Sinn Feiners are rushing to speak up for Gerry and maybe, just maybe, they are waiting to see how the wind blows before committing themselves.

    We must remember too that Aine wanted us to know how she felt about Gerry when she said, “I ended up saying look do you know what it is, you have failed me again, when twenty years later I’ve asked you to do one thing.” How many will now feel that Gery is the man to turn to in a crisis?

  • “never never never nevin ;-)”

    Only Asking, are you by any chance called Paisley? …

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathy Collins

    Hi Nevin, The Shah of Iran was a protected person and looked what happened to him.

    Hi IRIA, here’s where gerr lost it RE: the orange order marches…it they are like the KKK political posturing or not…the KKK/oo has no place in the world let alone in Ireland. In the US…the politics of today…have members of Congress who were even members once of the KKK have to state they are evil. Gerr is trying to give the hardcore protestant unionist what they
    want…eventually to say they are great and let them march….

    Personally, I can’t wait for the holiday recess to be over…and let Gerr walk into rooms and meetings and let him look at allllll they eyes glaring at him….thinking…thinking…wonder how he’ll take it. Normally he doesn’t take or ‘allow’ any opinions other than his own…now people are going to be looking at him with alot of ….ick………

  • IRIA

    Kathy C.

    I agree with you regarding the KKK. Yes, Senator Byrd (D-WV) was once in the KKK, but now he’s evolved…big time. I’m no fan of the OO and would like to see their marches stopped, but I don’t see GA’s evolution on that as being that drastic. If you want a United Ireland, you’ll need to appeal to Protestants.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi IRIA, thanks for your reply. I agree with you …that with a United Ireland …protestants have to be considered….but I wouldn’t want to appeal to their hatred of Catholics. There are many good things the protestants can contribute and have contributed…but the orange order marches…isn’t one of them.

  • Lionel Hutz

    I’m getting very frustrated at people trying to bring in other aspects of the troubles to discredit Gerry Adams when this contained story is enough. People who argue about his attitude towards the OO for example as evidence of his tendency to lie and backtrack do themselves a disservice.

    Many supporters of GA will read these attacks on his character as attacks on the republican movement and will close ranks around their kingpin.

    This story is disgusting enough as it is. Keeping digging as you know more is yet to come. The Dundalk story may give lie to Gerrys claim to have been estranged from the his brother but it’s the Clonard story that is most chilling.

    Sinn Fein have shouted from the rooftops calling for the heads of bishops in the wake of the murphy report, in fact from the Ryan report. They’ve done so more than most in the hope of achieving some cheap electoral gains amongst a particularly angry working class. Now to have their leader know about and promote a suspected peadofile as a youth worker in a monastary, the hypocrisy is nauseating. Gerry may have been the only the person who knew of the allegations, to know what Liam was doing as late as 2006. He was certainly best positioned to advise those in Clonard. This is every bit as bad as a bishop moving around a suspect paedophule priest.

    The point I’m making here is that this single issue needs to be driven home to the front rooms of his constituents. The testis a distraction

  • Lionel Hutz

    The rest is a distraction*

  • Only Asking

    Apparently new allegations tomorrow in the Sunday Tribune that Liam Adams was more than a minor member of SF…..according to Suzanne Breen

  • Paddy

    Sinn Fein will go the same way as the Workers party though less rats will be able to jump onto a passing ship. When Adams goes, it will be the end of an era. And there is no one in the wings as the Republican Movement (remember that term) was democratic centralism on steroids.

    This whole paedophile- Nutting squad thing will expedite matters. The next big political event is the Southern general election. Hopefully it will be bye bye pedos.