This Week: Adams says his father was an abuser too…

On This Week today, Gerry Adams has revealed that his own father abused his kids, (Adams says he has no recollection of being abused himself)…

  • Paul

    unbelevable whats now coming out Adams position is untenable and he should resign from his position

  • Paul

    How can Adams contiue.?Any other party leader would have to go because of all of this if Adams stays what does that tell you about Sinn fein.Its totally appalling

  • Turgon

    The problem with this revelation is that it is uncorroborated. Adams may be telling us this because it is true but he might also gain sympathy from it. Last night I did a blog on Open Unionism about Adams and the problem is that he has been shown on a number of occasions to be a serial liar. Hence, what are we to make of this claim. Does it have more basis in fact than that he was in gaol when Jean McConville was murdered; that he was never in the IRA; that he sang “Always look on the bright side” when in gaol?

  • Only Asking
  • regimental 1912

    Did Gerry Mandering mean his biological father or the beast with the white collar,as the old beast said to him,I know son its a bit hard to swallow.

  • Only Asking

    Adams was asked about his father’s republican funeral and tricolour on his coffin. “Personally that was one of the great dilemmas for me because I’m a republican. I’m speaking here as a human being, as a family member,” he said.

    “I didn’t want him buried with the tricolour. I think he besmirched it but it was a dilemma for other members of my family who felt that they didn’t want this at that time out in the open.”

    Adams said that not being buried as a former republican activist and prisoner in the 1930s would have drawn attention to the fact that there was something wrong.
    here

  • lorraine

    if adams is courting sympathy with this revelation it doesn’t wash. he (the great leader) promoted his brother in dundalk, turned a blind eye to his involvement in youth and community work and spectacularly failed to do anything to help the victims (the brutalised wife and the abused daughter) at a time when the great leader ran a private army which meted out swift and demonstrabler justice to the lumpen proletariate who didn’t have relations in the senior ranks of the provos.

    the main trouble with gerry is he has told so many lies and been caught so many times telling lies that it is difficult to credit him with anything approaching honesty.

    let sinn fein keep him as a glorious leader and let the rest us of finally recognise him for the grubby little man that he is.

  • iluvni

    http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~hbf/adams.html

    Adams describes himself in Cage Eleven as someone who grew up in a “perfectly normal” West Belfast family;

    (Originally published in Book World, Washington Post, August 31, 1997. Copright 1997 by H. Bruce Franklin)_______________________________________

    So, is 1997 before or after Adams knew of the allegations about his brother and father?

  • Fabianus

    I wonder how many of us are considering the correlation between the abuse—be it physical or sexual—of the child and the misdeeds of that child in adulthood.

    Here’s part of the summary of a study of family violence:

    Family violence, including child physical and sexual abuse, child neglect and maltreatment, intimate partner violence, and elder abuse, takes place in homes across the country every day.

    Exposure to such violence has a devastating impact on both children and adults in those households and communities, whether they are direct victims of abuse or witnesses to it.

    Children exposed to such violence at an early age are likely to become either perpetrators of abuse or victims of violence in adulthood.

    There have been many such studies and most if not all draw the same conclusions.

    It may be a simplistic interpretation but I find it not inconceivable that most of society’s ills can be laid at the door of child abuse. Give me the child and I’ll give you the man and all that.

    It causes me to wonder how many of our terrorists suffered such abuse in childhood. The Adams family case should, I think, give us all pause for thought. And help us to make the stamping out of child abuse priority number one.

  • John O’Connell

    “I thought I was part of a normal loving family”

    Gerry clearly does not get the reality that his demeanour is not normal and the level of violence that he orchestrated and supported was not normal but part of a mindset that lacks empathy for other human beings. He is part of that old, hard republican, no compromising, vein in Irish politics. THat is a dangerous vein for the world.

    There is no humility, and much arrogance, in Adams words on the radio interview.

  • Turgon

    iluvni captures the problem here perfectly. Adams has told lie after lie. Some appear to be significant such as claiming that he was in gaol when Jean McConville was murdered. Others seem trivial such as claiming to have sung “Always look on the bright side” when in gaol despite him having been released before the song existed.

    Hence, with the latest claims by Adams we have no mechanism for establishing whether or not Adams is telling the truth. Adams might perceive self advantage in lying at the moment: that seems to have been the case over being in gaol when Jean McConville was murdered. Alternatively this might be a casual Adams lie such as the song I mentioned above. Finally it may all be completely true.

    The problem for Adams now is that no one apart from some of his most ardent worshippers can feel that they are sure of what he is saying. When any political figure becomes so completely compromised by serial lying it becomes difficult to take anything s/he says at face value. This has now occurred with Adams and that is now a problem for the republican movement.

    Adams (and McGuinness) clearly over sold the policing and justice deal. Now whatever they (and especially Adams) say many in their own community (along with almost all in the unionist community) will simply not be sure if one word of it is true.

    These latest comments simply mark that even leaving aside his past Adams is fatally damaged goods to everyone who may once have regarded him as someone with whom business could be done.

    That Adams has been finally brought to this by an internal family scandal is maybe not what many of us (his critics) would have liked as it clearly involves unspeakable pain to an innocent individual (his niece). However, his lying and deceit has finally come home to roost and for him personally few of us will shed even the slightest tear.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Turgon,

    It’s plainly obvious that you are rubbing your hands with glee at this news. All I can say is that you should be ashamed of yourself.

  • regimental 1912

    Guest,fair play to Mr Adams for being honest,he sure as hell took his time and would he have done so but for his abused niece speaking out ?

  • Turgon

    Comrade,
    You should be a little careful; I have seen you rubbing your hands in glee over a number of issues. If this brings down Adams I will not pretend to be disappointed. I regard his involvement in this scandal as only one of the wrong things he has done. However, if this is what destroys him I will not pretend even slight sympathy for him. As I said above the unfortunate

    Guest,
    Has he been being honest? That is somewhat unclear. As I said above he has such an overwhelming history of lying that we cannot really know.

  • Turgon

    To finish the sentence to Comrade Stalin:
    As I said above the unfortunate thing is that this scandal involves unspeakable pain to a complete innocent (his niece).

  • Coll Ciotach

    This has been an extremely embarrassing time for Gerry Adams, it is also very painful for him. As someone who does not accept his position on many things I take no comfort from his discomfort. he is not to blame for his brother, neither is he to blame for his father.

    I will not blame any victim nor would I take any form of comfort or advantage from this. What goes around comes around.

    Some of the comments here are disgusting and reflect on the people posting them, you should be ashaned of yourselves

  • Scaramoosh

    When you have nothing left to say about Gerry adams the IRA man, attack his family and their related problems. On that rubric, the boot goes in regarding the latest revelations about Adams’ brother and father. Quite simply pathetic.

    John O’Connell and Turgon…oh what holier that thou families you must come from …

  • GFASupporterButRealist

    Listening carefully to Adams in the UTV documentary and in the very soft (at least for two thirds of it) long Tommy Gorman RTE radio piece, one hears the all-too-familiar “we are all victims,” litany of defence and Gerry of course is an equal victim, he suggests. But he is NOT an equal victim. Aine is the victim. And like in the Jean McConville lie of his being in jail when she was killed in cold blood by the West Belfast IRA — he was not in jail at all at the time — and many other instances of being “economical with the truth,” the latest comments by Adams on UTV and RTE just aren’t credible. Funny how, within a day of the UTV documentary, Gerry invites one Gerry-friendly journalist, Tommy Gorman, to open up another chapter in the saga where Gerry’s immediate family were the victims, but, oddly, not Gerry himself. We are looking at a cover-up here, and it is not so clever one suspects as Gerry thinks. As the Yanks say, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice shame on me/us; well why shd we take Gerry Adams’s word as the truth ? The devastating revelation that Liam Adams was seriously considered for a SF Dail candidacy shows he was very much a Shinner-in-good-standing with Gerry only as far back as 1997, just a hear before the Agreement. The man-of-straw is exposed as such. But then telling the truth was never a hallmark of Adams or his worst mates in SF. To quote Austin Currie, way back, why wd SF choke on a lie when they murdered people ? There was NEVER a moral or politically democratic argument for the use of force to get across your political views in Northern Ireland and SF and the Prod paramilitaries were, in Hume’s words, unrepetant fascists and their dregs in the “dissidents” continue this tawdry and lethal bigotry. Adams shd resign. So let’s see how non-sectarian the majority of SF are when faced with Adams’s lying again. Will most of the party members stick with the tribe ? Or stick by the victim and the truth ?
    Where do most SF members stand ? I wouldn’t hold my breath but it wd be nice to be surprised by a sudden influx of moral good authority. Now that would be some progress in politics in this island.

  • Turgon

    Scaramoosh,
    No I am not holier than anyone. However, I am prepared to say that killing people is wrong. I would much rather than Adams was embarrassed and humiliated over the murder of Jean McConville, La Mon or Bloody Friday or even the Hunger Strikes.

    However, if this episode does Adams damage why should I feel sorry for him? Did he show compassion to Jean McConville or her family? Remember that republicans told her children that she had run off with a British soldier.

    Did he show compassion to the Irish Collie Club after someone ordered that they die for the greater glory of Ireland?

    The simple fact is that Adams has told lie after lie. Hence, we cannot know if he is currently telling us the whole truth, a partial truth or a complete fabrication.

  • Turgon

    socaire,
    Well we have the claim he was in gaol when Jean McConville was murdered: except he was not. It is detailed here. (Body in the Attic) That is a significant untruth

    Then we have the trivial untruths such as the claim that he sang “Always look on the Bright side of life” when in gaol: except that the song had not been released when he was in gaol. That is detailed here.

    As to him not being in the IRA. Well maybe he is telling the truth but the above two are simply two examples.

    Rusty Nail has documented a great deal over the Hunger Strikes as just another example.

  • I would seriously doubt that Gerry Adams is lying about his father.
    I think there might be an insight available in his reverence for republicanism as something his father had besmirched. Is republicanism Gerry’s alternative family? He has often spoken of the ‘republican family’. It is the one thing he refuses to find fault in.
    Was running the provos his own coping mechanism, his means of recovering personal dignity?
    If that is so, then the political account of the need for the IRA is invalidated and he is no longer to be thought of as a politician but as a traumatised victim ‘acting out’.

    I suspect this is the end of him now and that he can not continue as a party leader but I also feel that he is personally dignified, as never before, by speaking out.

    We now have an explanation for the damage in him and a far more coherent basis for dismissing any rational account of his paramilitary career than any of his critics could have hoped for.

    People will react now by saying, Ah yes, that explains the lies and the slaughter and the self aggrandisement ; the poor boy never had a chance.

    There will of course be more lies and stratagems. Gerry may be anticipating the new disclosures on the hunger strike and the rest from Richard O Rawe and from The Dark from beyond the grave, and pitching for sympathy in advance. Who knows?

    I will be very surprised if he is leader of Sinn Fein for much longer.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    Textbook.

    “Adams says he has no recollection”

    Of course he hasn’t.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Gerry Adams per the BBC said,

    “All citizens need to be educated and children need to be listened to, empowered and protected.”

    Yet, gerry DID NOT protect his niece. Gerry DID NOT protect the children of his brother’s second wife
    and gerry DID NOT makke sure his brother did not work around children.

    Again, I say…gerry adams should resign TODAY!

  • Comrade Stalin

    You should be a little careful; I have seen you rubbing your hands in glee over a number of issues.

    Yeah, but I don’t post reams and reams of high and mighty judgemental lectures about the various moral qualms of other people in public life. That’s because I recognize that few people are perfect, and trying to judge people on the depths of their perfection leads very quickly to hypocrisy.

  • John O’Connell

    Scaramoosh

    When you have nothing left to say about Gerry adams the IRA man, attack his family and their related problems. On that rubric, the boot goes in regarding the latest revelations about Adams’ brother and father. Quite simply pathetic.

    John O’Connell and Turgon…oh what holier that thou families you must come from …

    I suugest that I’ve acted a little ahead of time on this. The sympathy should come first but I’ve been a little sympathetic on other threads. Afterwards comes the disgust that this psychologically flawed man is allowed to lead a psychologically flawed campaign of violence to take out his anger at the abuse, and psychological abuse affects all children in a family, of his father and for how many generations before on their children. I suggest that the public will turn on Gerry Adams after the initial sympathy, as Malachi said, I will be
    very surprised if he is Sinn Fein leader for much longer.

    My contention is that Gerry won’t survive the term in office of Gordon Brown and I think that I am on schedule. But as Scaramoosh suggests this is a time for sympathy for a man who lived out his role as Antichrist with masculine honour and single handed cowardice.

    As someone who has watched him for years, he was a damn good Antichrist.

  • Only Asking

    I think malachi makes some excellent points.

  • Comrade Stalin

    malachi, thank for for that contribution. There are a number of angles there that never occurred to me.

    I suspect you’re right – GA is damaged. We’ll have to see how things go when the dust settles. Who in SF will be leading the charge ?

  • Turgon

    Comrade Stalin,
    This is off thread but since you have accused me of “high and mighty judgemental lectures” it is possibly worth remembering that you have repeatedly claimed that every unionist party has had significant involvement with terrorists and that hence, all unionist voters are tarred with that brush. You have been on about it for months / years (only stopped each time your party deputy leader’s links with the PUP are mentioned). As such you are in a very poor place to complain about anyone giving judgemental lectures.

    Incidentally which part of me saying that Adams has told so many lies that it is difficult to know when he is telling the truth do you disagree with? On the other thread you said: “I am starting to wonder about GA’s version of events.” As such I can see that you also find his assertions difficult to believe.

  • Mark McGregor

    Malachi,

    Regardless of the truth or not in the claims about his own father, I think the timing of them is ludicrous.

    It reads like; me and our Liam are victims too, on the day stories of a real victim, his niece, he seems to have questions to answer over breaks.

    It is disgraceful.

  • Mark

    Sad, is the word I would use, very, very sad.

  • Ramzi Nohra

    Mark, what you’ve just written is certainly plausible I suppose, but its a wee bit on the high risk side..add that to the fact Gerry wasnt exactly supportive of his brother in recent statements

    Have any of the other family commented on recent events? I guess they may not have been asked.

    I would imagine we’ll hear a lot more claims and allegations before this goes away.

    I posted this on another thread but I would like to see some actual proof of Gerry promoting his brother’s candidature in 97, rather than simply a political enemy of his say-so. Apart from the morality of promoting someone you think is a child-abuse for a political post, it would seem to be absolutely stupid politics.

  • John O’Connell

    Mark/Mick

    Clearly the whole routine was pre-planned.

    Psychological abuse was admitted from his father to make all the children victims.

    So Gerry’s trying to handle this. But the big macho South Armagh men are going to have something to say about their leader being “damaged” in masculine terms. Again the Antichrist is defined in masculine terms and so he is fallen in their eyes.

    You cannot be a masculine icon and a abused kid.

  • GFASupporterButRealist

    Ah, Socaire, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy too ? Talk about enabling Gerry Adams! Sounds like you’d be happy to sign the Vatican petition to get Ger sainthood…Get real!

  • Drumlins Rock

    WOW Sinn Fein is quick of the ball, looked up wikipedia and they have “senior Adams” entry updated already with the new details.

  • Mark McGregor

    Guest,

    Leave them alone? We are doing what the victim wants. Discussing a case of horrific abuse she has been failed in by the provisional movement, SF, Adams, the cops, social services…

    We aren’t intruding into a personal family tragedy.

    We, the public, were invited into this by the victim because of the failings of others.

    Adams/SF may want this in house – his niece has decided that is not an option.

  • picador

    Mark,

    If Adams is brought down by this, it won’t be because of the shrill hysteria of those with large axes to grind. It’ll be because the plain people of Ireland don’t accept his explanations.

    When do you think he should have gone public with the stuff about his da?

  • John O’Connell

    picador

    It’ll be because the plain people of Ireland don’t accept his explanations.

    How could anyone accept his good faith when he allowed his brother to re-marry, be employed in youth services, and be a potential Dail candidate?

    This is just a handling operation and Gerry is trying to play the victim and implying that perpetrator of rape against his own infant daughter is also a victim. This ranks alongside the death of Jean McConville and that is why I think he may survive the pecking birds of Sinn Fein this time – it is so obscene they may think he is not capable of it – but his days are numbered.

  • Mark McGregor

    Picador,

    I think any other time than when it looked like trying to appear a victim alongside his niece. Or never, if it was a personal matter the family had kept to themselves even while he was given a republican funeral they could have continued to keep it private.

    I can’t help but wonder if the family sensibilities that came into play previously were just dumped now it was convenient to add this bit of narrative for him and Liam.

    I really doubt he did a ring round to check those he claims were previously uncomfortable with this being public. It seems like self interest over family – the main charge against him from his niece demonstrated again.

  • picador

    The timing might well have been convenient (in as far as dealing with family sexual abuse can ever be convenient) but is that sufficient reason for NOT getting the matter out in the open.

  • picador

    John,

    How could anyone accept his good faith when he allowed his brother to re-marry, be employed in youth services, and be a potential Dail candidate?,

    That is what may well bring Gerry Adams down. If any other victim comes forward he is finished without a shadow of a doubt.

  • Alias

    I suppose we can look forward to media pundits using Gerry’s latest self-serving gambit to redefine militant ‘republicanism’ as a symptom of familial sexual abuse in a further attempt to isolate it from its original meaning of a claim to self-determination.

    The timing of Gerry’s revelation is expedient, and its purpose is to distract attention from his own actions in seeking to deny justice to his niece by discouraging her from seeking justice in the courts and also to deny justice to his brother by declaring him guilty of a terrible offence without bothering with mere formalities such as a trial.

    He probably isn’t lying about his father since he would then have to calculate that his other siblings would not object to his father’s name being blackened by a lie in order to protect Gerry. But I guess we won’t know until those siblings who claim to have been victims of their father confirm it.

    The British political establishment prefer their more willing boy, J118, to Gerry and have wanted rid of him for some time. Martin is seen as a “good republican” (i.e. fully supportive of British sovereignty over the Irish nation) while Gerry is seen as a tad greener and not seen as being as willing as Martin to push ahead as quickly with the full the integration of their supporters into the consolidated British state.

    Incidentally, Turgon, Helen McKendry, Jean McConville’s daughter, said that Adams lied to her too but that he couldn’t look her in the eye while doing it:

    “When he came to my house, he went to the bathroom for about 15 minutes the moment he arrived and when he came out he insisted he had nothing to do with my mother’s disappearance. But he couldn’t look me in the eye and I just didn’t believe him.”

    Brendan Hughes was part of the 4-man team that abducted and murdered Jean McConville under the direction of Gerry Adams. A few years ago, Hughes along 11 or so members of republican and loyalist murder gangs gave frank accounts of their involvement in those gangs to a research team from a university in the US on condition (I believe) that they stay sealed until after their deaths. Apparently journalist Ed Moloney has gained access to Hughes’ account and is preparing a book about it. That should be interesting in regard to confirmation of the identity of Brendan Hughes’ PIRA boss.

  • Only Asking

    I think the timing came about due to Aine waiving her privacy, and for no other reason. I doubt there is anything more to the timing than that, unless there is some evidence of something?

  • Alias

    Only Asking, the revelation that Gerry Adams father was a paedophile is not in any way dependent on any revelation from Aine or her privacy. If the family wanted the reveal information about their father, they could have done so anytime in the past and done so without any connection to Aine. The family chose, however, to make that information public only after Gerry Adams had already publically revealed it.

    Why Gerry Adams chose to reveal it the day after damaging revelations from Aine about his behaviour in her case is what makes it interesting.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    Those predicting grisly’s imminent political demise make the fundamental mistake of projecting normal standards of morality onto the provisional movement. They’ve swallowed worse than this and will do so again.

  • Alias

    Very true. Gerry will come out of it badly but come out of it nonetheless. The political establishment would like to see Gerry go but the security establishment intend to keep him in place – as does Gerry himself. As for the Shinner supporters, they’ll believe whatever they are told to believe.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Turgon,

    it is possibly worth remembering that you have repeatedly claimed that every unionist party has had significant involvement with terrorists

    I’m only holding up a mirror, Turgon. It’s not my personal political creed.

    I don’t mind the fact that you share a party with people who think that loyalists should be released from jail, for example. It’s really none of my business. It’s your lectures to other people about how bad they are that piss me off.

    and that hence, all unionist voters are tarred with that brush

    Well, you tell me. Do you think that anyone who votes for Sinn Fein is tarred with the brush of letting the IRA off the hook ? If that’s the case, then isn’t anyone who voted for the DUP tarred with the brush of the UDA following the 1978 strike, Ulster Resistance, or the Third Force ? Or anyone who voted for the UUP tarred with the brush of Vanguard ? If you voted for William McCrea after seeing him stand on a podium with Billy Wright, what does that say about your attitude to the LVF ? And of course we all know that your party leader joined the DUP with all of these things having taken place.

    I’m not the one who first said that anybody who votes for a party connected with paramilitarism is an apologist for that paramilitarism – that came from unionists, and I’m simply turning it on it’s head.

  • Turgon

    Thank you Comrade you have confirmed that you sit on a hypocritical moral high horse as ever. Now run along and explain to us all why your deputy leader helped the political representatives of the loyalist murder gangs.

    Incidentally why are you trying to derail a thread about Gerry Adams by bringing my or unionism’s supposed failings into it? Are you and your party now committed to helping the political representatives of republican murder gangs as well?

    You accuse me of all sorts of things. The simple fact is that you sit on at least as high a moral high horse as anyone here.

    Just to ask yet again (since you never answer it): Do you condemn your deputy leader’s helping the political representatives of loyalist murderers? Or would you rather run along?

  • Paul

    #

    Very true. Gerry will come out of it badly but come out of it nonetheless. The political establishment would like to see Gerry go but the security establishment intend to keep him in place – as does Gerry himself. As for the Shinner supporters, they’ll believe whatever they are told to believe.
    Posted by Alias on Dec 21, 2009 @ 02:44 AM

    this isva trully sickening post if sinn fein supporters believe what they want to and still vote for the sinners then thats sickening.Anybody supporting sinn fein should take a long hard look at themselves

  • Comrade Stalin

    Incidentally why are you trying to derail a thread about Gerry Adams by bringing my or unionism’s supposed failings into it? Are you and your party now committed to helping the political representatives of republican murder gangs as well?

    Because I’m sick and tired of your judgemental bullshit moralizing, and people need to be reminded of your hypocrisy. You can sit there in a party which incorporates people who think that psychopaths should be released from jail, and then think that you have some sort of right to lecture the rest of us on moral purity. Well, you don’t.

    You accuse me of all sorts of things. The simple fact is that you sit on at least as high a moral high horse as anyone here.

    I might be on a high horse, but I think my contributions here are reasonably consistent. I focus less on the people who commit violence (whether they are loyalist or republican) and more on the people who claim to oppose it yet in practice do the opposite. I don’t judge people for much, except when it comes to hypocrisy like yours. My beliefs are simple enough; I think most people here have had a hand in the conflict, and those who deny that they did, at least indirectly, are preventing progress. I appreciate that these nuances are difficult for you to grasp.

    I can tell I’ve hit a wound, because I don’t think I’ve ever read you so pissed off.

    Just to ask yet again (since you never answer it): Do you condemn your deputy leader’s helping the political representatives of loyalist murderers? Or would you rather run along?

    Whatever “help” you think Naomi Long gave PUP, do you really think that it matches up with people who want a convicted loyalist psychopath released from jail with no strings attached whatsoever ? I mean, the fact that you would even draw such a comparison shows how shallow you are.

    DC:

    Comrade Stalin, you’re a pompous moralist in style and outlook just as much as Turgon is, if not more than him!

    You’re just annoyed because I pointed out that your long waffly rambling posts bore everyone to death.

  • Seamus

    Funny how the Adams clan would like to be left in peace from the media over xmas.
    This young woman has`nt had a break from it in well over 20 years.
    The Adams clan as a clan have done very well in respect of employment, untouched by the prm in respect of crimes against the prm and community, due to the name and never really shyed away from publicity.
    But as soon as theres something negative to report they just want left alone in peace as victims.
    Victims who should have known better from their personel expierance that an aledged pedophile should not be allowed to roam the country at will.

  • Fabianus

    I never thought I’d see the day when I felt sorry for Gerry Adams. (The creaking noises you hear “off” are my mother turning over in her grave.)

    Yet I do feel sympathy for him. Aine’s tragedy was not of his making. I’m regarding him now as an innocent bystander who’s watching a motorway pile-up and feeling helpless to intervene. It can’t be easy for him.

    Fellow-Unionists: I have the carbolic soap to hand to wash out my mouth.