“He said that his group’s lawyers contacted the IMC after the publication..”

A vigilante group, the self-described Concerned Families Against Drugs [CFAD], has taken exception to the Independent Monitoring Commission’s most recent report [pdf file] which stated

“We note that a factor behind the increase in the number of attacks in some nationalist areas appears to have been the growth of vigilante organisations which claim to want to ‘clean up’ (their term) anti-social behaviour. “Two such groupings are Concerned Families Against Drugs in Belfast and Republican Action Against Drugs in Derry. “We believe that both these groups have undertaken attacks, including the use of pipe-bombs.”

Given their recent appearances Republican Action Against Drugs seem unlikely to follow suit, but the BBC reports that CFAD have now met with the Commission to complain about the “scurrilous” allegations. And, given the unintentional irony of CFAD deploying their lawyers against the IMC, a reminder of the activities they have admitted to.

“It initially targeted four people by sending letters to their homes telling them that families in the area knew of their activities and were appealing to them to stop. Letters were later also sent to neighbours informing them about the group’s actions. It was made known that people could go to the monastry to discuss the situation. The group said last night that 20 people have now come forward and pledged to quit involvement with drugs. It said members have also visited some homes and physically removed drugs such as cannabis.”

The quoted report also noted that the 20 people “know that their behaviour will in future be monitored”.

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  • Trev

    How did the “group’s lawyers contact them”? Did they call round at the IMC house in a gang?

  • Pancho’s Horse

    The trevors are opposed to anti-drug activity as it decimates their tout pool. I say root the bastards out, big and small. And I dare anybody to disagree with me.

  • paddy

    were the people who were ordered to the monastry allowed to bring their lawers along.this self appointed gang has no mandate from anybody.

  • Breeco

    Alert! The glue factory is missing an inmate!

  • joeCanuck

    Paddy,
    I do not know the circumstances, of course, but could the arise of these groups be a symptom of a failure of the PSNI to do a proper job of policing. I recognize that there may be a good/bad reason for that too.

  • Pete Baker constantly feels the need to slight CFAD and its radical tactics?

    They’ve done more to expose Drug Dealers in Ardoyne than the well-funded RUC/PSNI who have done absolutly nothing to rid the area of these scumbags and associated criminality!

    If CFAD had anything to hide why would they meet the IMC and publically challenge them and S/F on their joint failure to tackle these issues head-on!

  • Ramzi Nohra

    Are these smack dealers they are targeting, or just guys having a few joints?
    There is a difference, and from what I read the CFAD guys are targetting the latter.
    I am more than happy to be corrected, but if true this is just fascism. You dont like someone’s lifestyle so you threaten them. Reminiscent of red-neck sheriffs or narrow minded bigots.
    How long before they move on to people who drink too much whiskey?

    However, I doubt they’re some heavily armed paramilitary outfit, and fair play to them actually the description of them as such.

  • According to local people, CFAD have taken large amounts of hash, coke, magic and various kinds of tablets including, horse tranquilers etc off the streets…..

    They’ve also exposed some 41 dealers to the wider community in Ardoyne…If they were targeting ordinary drug takers, they’d be talking to every young person in the area!

    Most of those involved in CFAD are seasoned community activists and as such, have a track record in addressing local issues.

  • ket monster

    the horse tranqilisers you speak of are ketamine tablets martin og, they have many uses in human medicine, but you just like to sound dramatic. red rum is murder backwards, ye know

  • Dec

    Two things to bear in mind:

    Pete Baker doesn’t actually know where Ardoyne precisely is (aside from being in North Belfast somewhere).

    When it comes to drug dealers/hoods versus the community, Pete takes the drug dealer’s side every time. Because if the community actually take a stand against this rabble, well in Baker-world they [the community] are obviously cunts of some description.
    Hopefully once these drug-dealing touts are put out of Ardoyne, I trust they all move next door to chez Baker. Then Pete can post a long thread about Perspective.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    He’s like the trevors in Craigavon. “I don’t care what they do as long as they stay on the reservation”

  • Pete Baker

    Well, guys, if you don’t understand the importance of due process I can’t really help you.

    CFAD obviously do understand that though.

    Otherwise they wouldn’t have their own lawyers.

  • Pete, drug dealers who poision kids with deadly drugs shouldn’t be afforded anything!

    Regardless of your opinions, has any member of CFAD been arrested, questioned or even charged for their anti-drug campaign? No, they have not.

    Did the IMC contact CFAD before including them in their report…..No they didn’t!

    CFAD are a community collective of local people doing their best to highlight the scourge of illegal drugs…Have they not been successful in so doing? Yes they have?

    Why not visit Ardoyne, meet with the group or some victims of drug dealers before writing articles about stuff you know nothing about.

    It’s easy to sit in an ivory tower pontificating about due process, when the Police use drug dealers and criminals as informers and allow them a free reign to do as they like!

  • Pete Baker

    “Regardless of your opinions, has any member of CFAD been arrested, questioned or even charged for their anti-drug campaign? No, they have not.”

    As I said, Martin,

    CFAD obviously do understand that though.

    Otherwise they wouldn’t have their own lawyers.

    As their official spokesman you do realise that, don’t you?

  • CFAD engaged a Lawyer because we were advised to do so by amongst others COCAD in Dublin.

    The anti-drugs campaign employed by CFAD is radical but not illegal. Much in the same way that CPAD in Dublin carried out its campaign in the Eighties…

    If CFAD were engaged in illegal activities, do U not think the RUC/PSNI would have at least questioned its tactics and activists long before now? Bottom line is; CFAD are being villified because of the failure of the RUC/PSNI and S/F linked Community Inactivists to do their jobs!

  • barnshee

    “I don’t care what they do as long as they stay on the reservation”

    And the trevors are quite right “I did not join up for this” –“I don`t care if they eat each other”, “I`m not getting hurt for anyone” –“fuck them I don`t live there” just a few of the comments from our PSNI boys and girls ref our “gettos”

  • Pete Baker

    Well, Martin, just be grateful that somebody, somewhere, understands the importance of due process.

    Even if you don’t.

    “The anti-drugs campaign employed by CFAD is radical but not illegal.”

    Really? And that’s been tested where?

  • Pete,I’ve asked U a number of times to list the illegal activities of CFAD and why in your opinion have the RUC/PSNI not arrested CFAD activities?

    As of yet, U still cannot answer and continue to peddle this myth? Why is that, do U have a particular political agenda to pursue?

    You also haven’t slighted the gross failure of the North Belfast District Command of the RUC/PSNI to tackle these drug dealers? Why?

    Maybe you just blindly accept whatever these highly-paid ‘guardians of law’ who have done absolutly nothing to capture career criminals and gangsters?

    Like CFAD informed the IMC yesterday, ‘U may not agree with our tactics, but that doesn’t mean we’re doing anything illegal’.

  • CFAD blog

    [We don’t link to Bebo here – Ed]

  • NCM

    Ardoyne Republican, CFAD’s largest PR issue may be the public’s possible confusion of it with other anti-drug republican groups like RAAD — whose recent actions speak for themselves: http://www.derryjournal.com/journal/EXCLUSIVE-RAAD-parade-cocaine-39mules39.5865220.jp

    Also, due process is a fundamental right that even drug dealers must be afforded. You’re also right that “It’s easy to sit in an ivory tower pontificating about due process, when the Police use drug dealers and criminals as informers and allow them a free reign to do as they like!”

    Ccommunity self-help, if kept within bounds, may be exactly what is needed in a particular situation. On the other hand, community self-help, if taken too far, risks unfair results — especially because not everyone who is suspected or accused of something is actually guilty of it.

  • al

    Ardoyne Republican, two questions:

    1. Who is the “U” that you refer to?

    &

    2. What happens to the drugs? Can I have first dibs?

    I realise that was three questions.

  • “[We don’t link to Bebo here – Ed]”

    No. Really. Is this a relatively new rule? There’s a Bebo link in one of your hyper-linked threads above.

  • igor

    I am delighted to see an Ardoyne Republican demanding that the Police take extra-judicial action against some of the Ardoyne hoods.

    And lets look at their claims to be effective. If you take smack off a heroin addict what do you think he / she does? Say, ‘Oh I must reform my life as the community is against me’ or burgle the next house to get the money for the drugs he’s addicted to? Answers on a postcard to ………………..

    So if all that ‘persuasion’ and ‘community action’ doesn’t work, what do they do then? The IMC thinks it knows ….

  • picador

    A few questions for the anti-drugs activist:

    What is the link between CFAD and Republican Network for Unity?

    Is the primary motive of CFAD the ‘war on drugs’ or the promotion of republicanism?

    In what way does seizing cannabis plants from home growers make society a dafer place?

    Is CFAD concerned about the abuse of alcohol, which kills many more people than illegal drugs?

  • Ramzi Nohra

    Ardoyne Republican, you state:
    “Pete, drug dealers who poision kids with deadly drugs shouldn’t be afforded anything”

    Fair enough – can you confirm then that you leave dealers who only sell to adults alone? I wasnt aware you were only going after dealers who sold to kids. If you are, fair play to you.

    You mention the stuff you’ve seized above: “hash, coke, magic (mushrooms?) ” – I mean this is hardly the stuff that communities are ripped apart on – ie crack and smack. I’m not saying they’re life affirming, but I’m unaware of much of a link between magic mushrooms and burglary (hash even more so).

    I personally thought CPAD was a relatively positive organisation. There was a real problem and they tackled in in the absence of the state doing anything.

    What you guys are doing, although maybe civic-minded, is in my mind misguided. You’re making a situation worse as well as riding roughshod on liberties.

    Pete – with respect, its up to you to provide evidence CFAD are doing something illegal, rather than hinting they are. Due Process, I think they call it 🙂

  • Picador, the link as U call it between CFAD and RNU is that the North Belfast Chair of RNU; Martin Og Meehan is also a prominent member of CFAD.

    CFAD’s primary motive is the iradication of illegal drugs from the Ardoyne community. Like most community-based groups/collectives a number of its members are indeed Republicans but not all.

    The number of of cannibis plants seized and given to responsible people for safe disposal was certainly not for personal use, but grown for sale and distribution.

    Some members of CFAD are also connected to another local iniative called the Pubs and Clubs Committee. Who regularly monitor and tackle the amount of teenagers who engage in underage drinking.

  • Ramzi, I can confirm that all dealers operating in the area are targeted by CFAD.

    In terms of magic, it wasn’t mushrooms but a white powder which actually killed a West Belfast man a few months back.

    With respect, when CPAD first started its anti-drug campaign they too were heavily criticised for the tactics they used and were also branded as viliantes.

    We may well be misguided chara but we don’t wish our proud community turned into a drug den full of criminals.That’s essentially our motive, a deep love for the area we grew up in and continue to live in.

  • Mike

    “The number of of cannibis plants seized and given to responsible people for safe disposal”

    You were asking for examples of illegal activity – sure looks like you’ve provided an example of your own.

  • jojo

    RAAD? These republicans amaze me who set themselves up as judge, jury and executioner and kill and maim people on the strength of rumour, speculation, torture and forced confessions. I’d like to know what people like the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four think of their methods. Why does any element of our society tolerate this? And why do so-called journalists not investigate who’s behind the lynchings? Our press rightly wouldn’t accept such methods from law enforcement agencies so why do they turn a blind eye when it’s paramilitary police doing the torturing and miscarriages of justice?

  • al

    “Some members of CFAD are also connected to another local iniative called the Pubs and Clubs Committee. Who regularly monitor and tackle the amount of teenagers who engage in underage drinking.”

    Tackle – in what way?

  • Mike, reagrds illegal activity…..

    How come no-one from CFAD has never been questioned or for that matter charged with anything illegal?

    Al, teenage drinkers are ‘tackled’ by having their identies made known to premises in the locality who sell drink and the kids are subsequently not permitted to enter or have anything illegal sold to them chara.

  • Reader

    Ardoyne Republican: We may well be misguided chara but we don’t wish our proud community turned into a drug den full of criminals.
    That6 ‘We’, and the other one over the legal advice, suggests you are a member of CFAD – maybe even a spokesperson? Either way, are your ‘RUC/PSNI’ references a part of the CFAD script, or a personal addition of your own? I ask, because when people talk about SF/IRA it normally means they don’t want to talk to either, and RUC/PSNI looks just the same.
    So – would you advise people to contact the PSNI if they become aware of illegal activity? Would CFAD advise people to contact the PSNI if they become aware of illegal activity? Would the CFAD lawyers advise people to contact the PSNI if they become aware of illegal activity?

  • paddy

    whats cfads stance on selling children cigaretts children as young as 5 yrs of age could recently buy single fegs n feg papers from a shed off the cliftonville rd rn by a prominment member it took the principal of the b.r.a school to bring it to an end when his pupils were smoking singles outside it at lunch hour

  • Given the amount of residents killed over the years by the RUC and British Army in Ardoyne. The vast majority of people there which encomposes CFAD do not at present support the RUC/PSNI.

    As such, despite CFAD clearly represent the wider community of Ardoyne’s views.

    Therefore, CFAD would not advise anyone to consult with the RUC/PSNI in relation to drug activities. Maybe when the RUC and British Army admit their sinister roles whether directly or indirectly in the murer of Ardoyne residents, groups community-based groups like CFAD could then be confident enough to ask fellow residents to report these issues to the Police.

    Until then, CFAD need to abide by the wishes of those families and the community it represents.

  • Danny Boy

    ‘Represents’? In what way does this unelected, self-appointed body represent anyone, and how would this community get rid of you if it wanted to?

  • Reader

    Ardoyne Republican: The vast majority of people there which encomposes CFAD do not at present support the RUC/PSNI.
    What party do they vote for in elections though?
    And are CFAD going to give the people the option of voting for an anti-policing party at the next election (instead of SF)?
    Does CFAD want the PSNI to take action against drug dealers or would they prefer that the PSNI do not?
    Would you – personally – be willing to give evidence against a drug dealer in court?