In Trap We Trust

Irish soccer stories would appear to be like buses at the moment. First, Derry City implode then the Irish Football Association is taken to the cleaners by its former Chief Executive.
But undoubtedly the main footballing story this week is the impending contest between the Republic of Ireland and France. The first leg of the play-off is tomorrow night at Croke Park, and anything other than an Irish victory will likely spell the end of the Nation’s hopes of the return of World Cup fever, the infectious bug which has joyously spread across Ireland on five occasions since 1982.
Check out Soccer Republic for anorak coverage. Real heart and head time when it comes to predictions, so I think I’ll opt for the former: 1-0 to the Irish, setting up a tense second leg in Paris Wednesday night.
Northern Ireland are also playing tomorrow night, with Serbia providing the opposition at Windsor Park.

  • Mayoman

    A diplomatic storm brewisng…..apparently….

    http://irishsoccerinsider.wordpress.com/

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    mmm, yes, a very hard game to call. I think the republic’s priority should be to keep a clean sheet. Always a chance of a set piece and I reckon even 0-0 would be a decent scoreline to take to france!
    Hopefully the french footy side don’t take heart from their rugby side who looked super against the Boks tonight (20-13)…
    My money is on 1-1 for tomorrow night.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Can’t see a victory over the two legs. France are are team full of class players and Ireland is a team full of … grafters.

    Heart and passion get you so far but usually a moment of class can decide these ties. Then again, Liverpool won a Champions League with trash like Djimi Traore, Igor Biscan and Milan Baros so anything is possible in football.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    lol, very good point – that liverpool side were crud!! Also, NI have shown that a passionate side can beat literally anyone on the night!
    That said, when the chips are down, and it’s a high pressure game, quite often it takes a bit of real class to unlock a defence or do something special. But are france not missing a few key players?

  • Mark McGregor

    Chris,

    Mayoman is right. How did you miss this – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8359004.stm

    Very funny. We may as well go down laughing.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Yeah TFO Frank Ribery will be missing. He’s a class act. But we’ll be missing Stephen Ireland and Andy Reid, who should both be playing but aren’t for different reasons.

    We’ll miss their potential quality more than France will miss Ribery because France have many other top class players. The lad Johan Gourcoff is meant to be a future world star and Benzema is already at Real Madrid and Thierry Henry of course.

    I am expecting defeat but hope remains if we draw tomorrow night at least.

  • Chris

    I’ll take one nill. In fact I think we could call it a result as long as its anything nill.

  • joeCanuck

    Yes, Mark. I saw that earlier. Quite funny indeed.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Rep of Connaught

    Careful!

    Even the most fleeting mention of he with the Lazarus-type grannies can turn my mood sour.

    He should have to forfeit his passport for his behaviour to date…

  • I’d expect Trap to keep it tight for as long as possible but, like the italians did in last month I can see someone having a howler in the irish defence to let the french in. Something you just cant afford to do against benzema and henry etc.

    I’ve gone from start of week – 0-0
    Middle of week 1-1
    Now, 2-1 to France

    Would be nice to avoid a 2-1 defeat of course as it would effectively kill the tie

  • WatersOfMarsSundayBBC1

    I know which republican song I will be singing tomorrow night.

    All together now.

    The National Anthem of the French Republic –

    La Marseillaise

    Allons enfants de la Patrie,
    Le jour de gloire est arrive !
    Contre nous de la tyrannie,
    L’etendard sanglant est leve ! (bis)
    Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
    Mugir ces feroces soldats ?
    Ils viennent jusque dans nos bras
    Egorger nos fils et nos compagnes !

    Aux armes, citoyens !
    Formez vos bataillons !
    Marchons ! marchons !
    Qu’un sang impur
    Abreuve nos sillons !

    Que veut cette horde d’esclaves,
    De traitres, de rois conjures ?
    Pour qui ces ignobles entraves,
    Ces fers des longtemps prepares ? (bis)
    Francais, pour nous, ah! quel outrage !
    Quels transports il doit exciter !
    C’est nous qu’on ose mediter
    De rendre ? l’antique esclavage !

    Quoi ! ces cohortes etrangeres
    Feraient la loi dans nos foyers !
    Quoi ! ces phalanges mercenaires
    Terrasseraient nos fiers guerriers ! (bis)
    Grand Dieu ! par des mains enchainees
    Nos fronts sous le joug se ploieraient !
    De vils despotes deviendraient
    Les maitres de nos destinees !

  • Mark McGregor

    Jebus – it is odd how someone gives a pseudonym away. I’m shocked(ish)

  • John

    WatersOfMars:

    Well, at least we know you’re anti-monarchy 🙂

  • WatersOfMarsSundayBBC1

    John

    “Well, at least we know you’re anti-monarchy :)”

    And you know what John you would be absolutely correct, and I always wondered why yousuns always hated Cromwell.

    Anyway

    Aux armes, citoyens !
    Formez vos bataillons !
    Marchons ! marchons !
    Qu’un sang impur………………

  • Tim

    Going to be a very tense evening tomorrow, hopefully Ireland can sneak a goal from a set piece and manage to keep the French forwards quiet.

  • Guest

    Very telling that Trap has not announced his decision on Lawerence/McGeady/Hunt.We need to negate the french full backs and in that Lawerence is the best stopper but won’t be surprised if he goes for mcGeady and pulls Whealen and andrews wider than usual whilst pulling Keane back into midfield.If he does play Mcgeady expect Henry to drop into midfield similar to Keane and so leaving Josh to to attack Sagna.This is going to be tactical champagne.

    Can’t wait to sing La Marseillaise in Paris.Not to mention my own .

  • RepublicanStones

    Whatever the result, it’ll be a great night with the Pacquiao vs. Cotto fight on later as well. Get the beers in !

  • WatersOfMarsSundayBBC1 on Nov 13

    Mark

    Yes I think it is pretty obvious who is posting, no need to be shocked.

    I do want to see a really good, entertaining match with the French winning.

    Chris

    I hear from a reliable source that Jim Boyce will return as IFA President very soon. Perhaps a seperate thread on the IFA debacle may be appropriate. Im also hearing cries of discontentment among the GAWA which may even result in some fans boycotting the match against Serbia.

    anyway,

    Aux armes, citoyens !
    Formez vos bataillons !
    Marchons ! marchons !
    Qu’un sang impur………………

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    Just wondering if there are many NI fans out there supporting the ROI tonight? Personally, i;m kinda sitting on the fence – on the one hand I think the hype and buzz from the RIO reaching the finals would be good craic and add to the tournament as a whole, but deep down there’s a little devil inside me that would like to see them get beat… Bad I know…

  • WatersOfMarsSundayBBC1

    the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    When I was a kid, I looked out for the ROI results because of the strong Arsenal connection which NI also had.

    In 1988 when the ROI reached the Euros I actually cheered them on, especially when they stuffed England.

    It wasn´t too long after that when the band of English reject mercenaries and TD´s demanded the head of Billy Bingham and my flirtation with going down Mexico way was over.

    Tonight I will watch the match with interest and hope for an entertaining game and sincerely hope the ROI try to thrill the packed stadium. Can´t bring myself to say I would actually want them to win, mainly because I am NI and many of the posters here who follow ROI, don´t really follow them they just hate NI. The gloating on this forum after the Slovakia game was pathetic, even a celtic supporting scotch banker came on to gloat.

    So in answer to your question:

    Allons enfants de la Patrie,
    Le jour de gloire est arrive !
    Contre nous de la tyrannie,
    L’etendard sanglant est leve ! (bis)
    Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
    Mugir ces feroces soldats ?
    Ils viennent jusque dans nos bras
    Egorger nos fils et nos compagnes !

    Aux armes, citoyens !
    Formez vos bataillons !
    Marchons ! marchons !
    Qu’un sang impur
    Abreuve nos sillons !

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    From a football purist point of view we should of course support France as it would be a shame so many world class players would not make it to the world cup and it will also mean that there is another team in the tounament able to defeat our badly behaved neigbours(who very worryingly look extemely good at the moment), defeat as well might help to make the 2 dreadful football associations North and South decide to throw their lot in together and try to implement one decent Irish league with about 6 teams and perhaps LadyBall could start learning the lessons from the excellent Irish Rugby template.

    From a financial point of view it might be dififcult as well if we qualify unless all public service workers are given mandatory unpaid leave for a month thus saving the country a few billion.

    Of couse when the game kicks off it will all be different and nothing will give me greater pleasure than to see some-ill-skilled-fecker from Stoke or the like give the boy ‘Enry or some other over-skilled poseur a good kick up the jacksie. ROI 1-0.

  • Republic of Connaught

    It’s natural most NI fans don’t want the Republic to win. The bitterness from many NI fans is probably more towards nationalists and Republicans in the north who support what is essentially an all Ireland international team. There are after all Ulster players in the ROI squad and big support across the entire 32 counties for that team.

    So NI fans will feel even more alienated if the Republic make it to the World Cup and tricolours fly across the island in the summer. All in all, it’s understandable – but wrong. The rugby lads show the best way for sport on the island.

  • RepublicanStones

    Sorry Sammy, but as one of those ‘public service workers’ I have to disagree. The public sector was there before the economic crisis, and some people turned their noses up at the thought of working in it. Now their short of a few quid, we’re the bad guys!

    I’ve no problem taking one for the team (as i think everyone should) and already have, but remember we also pay tax and prsi etc.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    RepublicanStones,

    keeping off topic for a moment, the idea that because you are not one of the bad guys does not mean you do no have to pay does not stand up. There are few ‘bad guys’ as in those repsonsible for the economic mess in many countries in Africa amongst those who do a valuable teaching job there – but I dont suppose you are suggesting they should be paid in way that is unsustainable and would bankrupttheir country.

    Ireland is now a country in deep shit and the question of fault will have to come later, hopefully consigning many in FF and the banks to prison, but in the meantime we need everyone including the rich, superrich, quite rich, quite poor, very poor with some allowance made to stop whingeing about their own position and work their way out of the horrible mess which well get much, much worse if they dont. We simply cannot afford to pay people the money they are being paid.

    Coming back on topic – perhaps the distraction of a world cup qualification from the horrible realities assailing the country taken with the parading of the warriors of curruption basking in the reflected glory of it all is the last the country needs.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘the idea that because you are not one of the bad guys does not mean you do no have to pay does not stand up.’

    Sammy you’ve missed my point completely. I was referring to the fact that undue concentration is being centred on the public sector. You also seem to have missed the fact that i agree, everyone must take a hit for the team (country). And we already have, and will again come December. Your suggestion of a months forced upaid leave, was in jest i presume, because its idiotic beyond reason. We have kids and mortgages too you know.

  • WatersOfMarsSundayBBC1 on

    Republic of Connaught

    “All in all, it’s understandable – but wrong. The rugby lads show the best way for sport on the island.”

    Wrong, the republican dominated symbols and anthems in the Rugby example will ensure that Football will never have a one Ireland team.

  • Prionsa Eoghann

    I hope Trap disnae play McGeady I want to cheer Ireland on without that wee, that wee so and so gettin my blood pressure through the roof.

    I’m sure my fellow Jungle Jims know what I am on about.

  • “All in all, it’s understandable – but wrong. The rugby lads show the best way for sport on the island.”

    Wrong, the republican dominated symbols and anthems in the Rugby example will ensure that Football will never have a one Ireland team.
    Posted by WatersOfMarsSundayBBC1 on on Nov 14, 2009 @ 01:46 PM

    There’s you bellowing out a republican anthem “la marsellaise” and then on the other hand making statements like that above, make your mind up for christ’s sake. I know you hate the republic, just bloody admit it, will ya.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    WatersOfMarsSundayBBC1,

    I agree – Irish Rugby should drop all National symbols and THEN the football authorities follow their example. Agreed?

    RepublicanStones,

    Is there not a teachers strike looming? I honestly dont think the reality has actually sunk in that they are lucky in the current climate to be in a fecking job and if they get their way many more wont be. It is simply crazy stuff for people (not including yourself) to think that because they are not to blame that they can carry on as if cirumstances have not changed.

    Of course many public sector workers actually voted for the cute hoors of destiny in spite of their obvious corruption and property development mania and in that sense are partly responsible for the mess they find thmesleves in.

    Ireland 0 France 1.

  • RepublicanStones

    Sammy i agree there are some in the public sector who seem to live in lala land, but there are also plenty of us who realise the belt needs tightening. However, for many in the private sector, we remain the bogeymen, fingers pointed squarely at us, and indeed some of those doing the pointing are people for whom public sector jobs were ‘beneath them’ before this shitstorm started. But now that theres a crisis, they say “lets target the jobs for which i was too good for.”
    If it was security and decent pay people were after, there were was plenty of jobs going in the public sector before this bunfight started. You may not see my annoyance, perhaps you have to be in the goldfish bowl to appreciate my point.

    As regards the public sector voting for the brown envelope brigade, is a moot point. Plenty not in the public sector did as well.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    RS,

    that is why I think the country needs an election even if the same policies are adopted because the new government will have some moral credibility to run the country and perhaps people public/private will be able to swallow their horrible medicine more easily.

    Ireland 0 France 2.

  • RepublicanStones

    Sammy, I think Enda Kenny et al, realise there is not much fun to be had in gettin a crack at the whip if its covered in shite. Thats why i think the blueshirts have been reticent in calling for an election.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    I agree.

    Ireland 1 France 2

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    ‘I agree – Irish Rugby should drop all National symbols and THEN the football authorities follow their example. Agreed?’

    flip, sammy, I never thought u’d come out with something like that!! I’d almost agree with that statement.
    Apart from the national symbols my other reservation is the fact that I can walk down the road, and watch NI play the likes of Spain, England etc for thirty odd quid. When the ROI return to Landsdown, tickets are going to be like gold-dust and just as expensive I imagine… Why would I want to pay 3-4 times more to watch a slightly better average side?
    The way things stand, this island gets twice as many top sides coming over to play. Okay we may have a ‘slightly’ stronger side if we joined forces – but let’s face it, not many NI players would get a sniff of the the ROI starting 11!

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Futurey,

    re. ” but let’s face it, not many NI players would get a sniff of the the ROI starting 11!”

    Not at the moment perhaps but if and when the next Northern star arrives on the scene suddenly all the Free-Statery-Jibber-Jabber will start. Anyway one reasonable league is needed in my opinion so that those players who go to the League2/1/Championship might stay at home.

    Ireland 2 France 2.

    ps Great win for Wales in ladyball 3-0 against Scotland – Dewi is probably still recovering from the shock of just surviving the south sea island assault last night.

  • Guest

    Looks like he is going for Lawerence.0-0.Unless the Duffer of 2002 turns up.

  • Greenflag

    Ireland 2 -France 0

    Vive Les Republiques :)).

    Now why were they watering the pitch after all the fecin rain ? Plan B ?