Sectarian attack on sheep

The News Letter is reporting a particularly bizarre form of sectarian attack. Sheep owned by a Protestant farmer have been spray painted green and gold; in addition gate posts were also painted and a tricolour was placed in one of his fields. The farmer who owns the sheep reported that there have been a number of recent incidents. The attacks have been condemned by UUP MLA Billy Armstrong and by Willie Frazer of FAIR.

  • fin

    I only hope this new found awareness among the unionists on slugger lasts until the next Marching season, any chance?

  • OC

    Sorry, Sean, but the farmer is the victim of hate-motivated criminal mischief, which consisted of more than any animal abuse.

    Good plan to get a certain section to vote for a UI, don’t you think?

  • Sean

    criminal mischief = yes
    hate-motivated = not convinced
    animal abuse? how is this any different then the normal treatment of ewes? except for the fantastic dye jobs? and besides they don’t have any mirrors so they don’t really know

  • Jo

    Look, it was a stupid and wrong thing to have done to the mans sheep.

    Interestingly, I was casting my mind back to another local story involving animals. It was an elderly SF farmer who was gored to death by a bull.

    That is, the loss of a human life, as opposed to the possible but unlikely loss of some lambs.

    I recall there were whoops of delight from a squad of Unionists at one of themmuns getting their come-uppance. I do not recall ever seeing anyone on Slugger whoop or celebrate the death of any human being. Republican or not, that particular barbarity appears beyond posters on this site.

  • Jo

    Mischief, pure and simple, a bit like Rory’s little anecdote above. Though that might have led to shots being misfired in the direction of the lined up cars!!! Twit 😉

  • Rory Carr

    That fellow in Rory’s tale certainly was a twit, Jo (and I should know) but he is older and greyer now – although Herself insists, “But none the bit wiser” – and remembers it as a moment of youthful exuberance albeit thoughtless of the potential dangers.

    Nevertheless it remains a fond memory and one I’m happy to have, much like the memory of the day I derailed a train at the steel works at Cardiff East Moors. God! I felt like Butch and Sundance all rolled into one…but that’s another story…

  • Jo

    lol, Rory, you should write those memoirs while you are as articulate as you are here…I take it the derailing might have been an accident!? 🙂

  • Rory Carr

    No, Jo, it was no accident. I was ordered to do it. not a military order, but an order from the ‘captain’ of the train who is the fireman. When I first refused to shift back the points as the train was only half-way over he said sternly, ” I am the fireman and I am ordering you to shift the points”. I was only a lowly spare-latcher, so I did and “Crrunnchh!”. Lovely.

    Anyway it was all the despatcher’s fault, he had insisted that we run out an extra load just as we were washing up to head home. Management are so stupid sometimes; it took 3 days and an army of little cranes to clear a way through for the giant crane that was needed to lift our wreckage and clear the line. But nobody really cared as East Moors was scheduled for the axe. So I figured, “Why should I?”. And I didn’t.

    Anyway I can always claim that I was only following orders. That should get me off – yes?

    The happy side to all this (and to keep on topic) is that no animals were harmed during this production.

  • GavBelfast

    Rather pathetic that the war against the “British presence” has been reduced to petty animal cruelty as a vehicle of low-level sectarianism, is it not?

  • Sean

    No its not animal cruelty or level sectarianism

  • URQUHART

    110 comments on a post about painted sheep. Class.

    Also, by the way, how did they know they were prod sheep?

  • Reh Joker

    hohohoho

    ive just ruptured my spleen laughing at all the jovial comments on here

    Ive a great idea, lets go round mc daids or is that mc deads house ? and paint his dog red white and blue and stick lol lol lol titter titter i can hardly type as im rolfing and stick a union jack in his garden

    this will deffo give another 5 pages of humour and more funny jokes

    hahahahaha

  • Reh Joker

    hohohoho

    ive just ruptured my spleen laughing at all the jovial comments on here

    Ive a great idea, lets go round mc daids or is that mc deads house ? and paint his dog red white and blue and stick lol lol lol titter titter i can hardly type as im rolfing and stick a union jack in his garden

    this will deffo give another 5 pages of humour and more funny jokes

    hahahahaha

  • Dave

    I think the comments aimed at making us think that the alternative to administering British rule at Stormont is painting sheep are just as amusing as the painted sheep. But then again, I always had a warped sense of humour.

  • Frank

    “Ive a great idea, lets go round mc daids or is that mc deads house ? and paint his dog red white and blue and stick lol lol lol titter titter i can hardly type as im rolfing and stick a union jack in his garden”

    Sure don’t the Orange Order already do that with their parades in Coleraine.

    The uvf & uff murder supporting paramilitary bands in Coleraine usually give their representative orange lodges a great lead when leading the Coleraine lodges through the town.

    Torrens Knight would be delighted with the display!

    Need i go on?

  • Erasmus

    Let’s face it, there are worse things you could do with sheep; ’nuff said.

  • Erasmus

    Seriously though, there is a sectarian dimension to all of this which cannot be condoned.

  • Sean

    it is not sectarian it is a straight up lark perpetrated by his neighbours because only those that know you know your vulnerable soft spots

  • No its not animal cruelty or (low) level sectarianism

    Posted by Sean on Nov 04, 2009 @ 09:57 PM

    If it wasn’t sectarian, what was it? They didn’t spray tricolors on a catholic/nationalist/republican’s sheep did they because that would defeat the purpose. This farmer was chosen for intimidation/harassment because of his religion. If that’s not sectarian I don’t know what is.

  • OC

    Sure, burn a cross on Obama’s front line – great craic!

  • Sean

    I would bet this is the neighbourhood crank that nobody likes, you could not corral and paint these sheep with out somebody noticing unless they did not want to see

    Painting them tricoulered indicates familiarity with the farmer

  • USPCA

    Ach – a wee bit of fun. If the farmer doesn’t like it, he could always move. But I can’t see why anybody should be intimidated by having their sheep smartened up a bit or by the national flag being given to them as a gift. I bet nobody was kind enough to spray paint his flock red, white and blue. I bet nobody has given him a free butcher’s apron.

    As an Irish farmer, working in Ireland, I fail to understand why he feels intimidated. And his flock looks much more respectable now.

    Sin e.

  • what if

    jo

    I do not recall ever seeing anyone on Slugger whoop or celebrate the death of any human being. Republican or not, that particular barbarity appears beyond posters on this site.

    hmmmmmm obviously you wernt around for the denis donaldson posts

    nationalists on this post think it wou;d be fine for loyalists to go up the garvaghy road, paint gateposts red white and ble along with dogs etc and put union jacks into gardens ????

    this was an act of shameful discrimination, esp opening his gate. but it is something that sadly alot of border protestants are used to. if it were me i would drive round the area at 4am and open every fenian farmers gates.

  • Brit

    “I do not recall ever seeing anyone on Slugger whoop or celebrate the death of any human being”

    Re-read’Gerry Mander’s’ posts.

    ‘I would bet this is the neighbourhood crank that nobody likes’

    Blame the victim why dont you.

    “As an Irish farmer, working in Ireland, I fail to understand why he feels intimidated”

    In which case you are either lying or very stupid.

    If he was a Catholic in a isolated Prod bit of Antrim and his sheep were painted the colours of the flag of the United Kingdom (of which Antrim remains part) I doubt you would have much time for someone who said:-

    As farmer, working in the United Kingdom, I fail to understand why he feels intimidated… If the farmer doesn’t like it, he could always move to the Republic.”

  • Jo

    Actually, this is getting ridiculous. More than 100 posts?

    Besides, the sheep were either Prod or Taig – they were obviously Baa-ha’i.

    My last word on this. 🙂

  • Pigeon Toes

    “but it is something that sadly alot of border protestants are used to.”

    Have they moved Ardboe?

  • reader

    “but it is something that sadly alot of border protestants are used to.”

    Have they moved Ardboe?

    what i think he was saying was protestants along the border esp in fermanagh for example have had to, and still do endure this type of intimidation from republicans.

    all part of the bigger ethnic cleansing attempt.

  • Sean

    Goblins law, the first person to use ethnic cleansing in relationship to nIreland automatically loses the arguement

  • ofijaof

    This was obviously just kids, hardly the work of hardcore republicans in the hopes of ‘wthnically cleansing’ the area. Look at the text talk on the flag.

  • Democratic

    “This was obviously just kids, hardly the work of hardcore republicans in the hopes of ‘wthnically cleansing’ the area. Look at the text talk on the flag”

    Yeah – it was kids from the local loyalist estate in Glengormley too who threw paint over the Chapel door at St. Mary’s and stuck NI flags & Union Jacks on the lamp-posts around the perimeter a couple of years ago in the run up to the 12th – the reaction from Nationalist posters on Slugger however was somewhat different to this episode for some reason…..and as for the plank who said if the farmer can’t take a joke he should move – well – quite frankly my friend…..

  • ofijaof

    Im not talking about something that happened in glengormley a few years ago that I know nothing about. This was obviously kids, kids on both sides do things like this. This is a probblem that needs to be adressed, not shouting protestant ethnic cleansing by the nationalist community, which is not happening.

  • Tim

    The PSNI chief constable Matt Baggott said on lunchtime news that he is setting up a special team to catch the culprits.

    http://www.festivalrenaissances.com/renaissances2005/img/moutons.jpg

  • Fabianus

    Democratic

    ..and as for the plank who said if the farmer can’t take a joke he should move – well – quite frankly my friend…

    Yes, I meant to comment on that. Farmers can’t simply move on. Oh yes, they can and do with tragic consequences. But it isn’t bigots who are behind the exodus from the land.

    Let’s not forget that the UK’s farmers are being squeezed by Tesco and the other big supermarket chains. Farmers up and down the land are losing their livelihoods. But it’s not much of a livelihood when many are earning about £6000 a year doing one of the toughest jobs in these islands.

    PRWeek drew attention to their plight a couple of weeks ago when it covered a protest.

    Why the protest?

    Last year, following a two-year inquiry, the Competition Commission recommended a watchdog was set up to stop supermarkets unfairly squeezing their suppliers. But the four major supermarkets refused to agree to the proposal. The Government now has to decide whether it sets up a watchdog and forces it on the big players. More than 180 MPs have already signed an Early Day Motion backing the measure.

    How did BIS respond?

    A spokesman told Sky News that a full response would be released in due course. It also said it was ‘happy to receive evidence as we evaluate the wider costs and benefits of the Competition Commission’s recommendation’.

    How did the media handle it?

    Much of the mainstream media failed to cover the protest but Sky News carried a lengthy piece online. It was also covered in Supply Management and Talking Retail.

  • OC

    ofijaof: It is the perception that matters.

    Just as OO parades can give the perception that NI RCs are in danger.

    Or a lack of an ILA gives the impression that Irish culturalists are 2d class citisens.

    Or the terrorist murder of soldiers and police by republicans can give the impression that unionists are in danger.

  • OC

    “Goblins law, the first person to use ethnic cleansing in relationship to nIreland automatically loses the arguement”

    Isn’t there a truancy law in NI?

  • Sean

    OC
    Just as OO parades can give the perception that NI RCs are in danger.

    Yeah that and the body counts

    Or a lack of an ILA gives the impression that Irish culturalists are 2d class citisens.

    Because the Irish language and its speakers are welcomed warmly in the halls of government?

    Or the terrorist murder of soldiers and police by republicans can give the impression that unionists are in danger.

    Only if they are police or soldiers, and not exclusive to unionists

  • Democratic

    Only if they are police or soldiers, and not exclusive to unionists”

    Old Republican mythology that is easily debunked -it wasn’t 6 months ago that pizza delivery-men collaborators seemed to be legitimate targets or at least minor collatoral damage..but hey you can’t make an ommlette without breaking a few eggs eh?

    “This is a probblem that needs to be adressed, not shouting protestant ethnic cleansing by the nationalist community, which is not happening.”

    I agree totally with all that – unfortunately most Nationalist commentators here seem bound & determined to either laugh or be happy enough to tell us not to take it seriously….one eejit even advised that the farmer should leave if he wasn’t happy to be the butt of sectarian “humour”.

    Of course when I make an example of a similar attack on a local chapel then the goalposts get shifted…..

  • Sean

    Democrat

    Case in point, how many of the soldiers or pizza delivery men were nIreland unionists?

    What real damage was done? If the sheep were mistreated they would have shown it and if the lambs had died they would be miscarried

    I would say this prank was carried out by people very familiar with sheep.

    And the inflation of this beyond that is just so much unionist paranoia and ‘themuns is as bad as ussuns’

  • Neil

    It was a wrong thing to be doing, for a number of reasons. It would be fair to say that pregnant animals should not be chased around. If you’ve ever been dipping sheep you’ll know yourself, they can put up a pretty good fight, and will have done. It’s animal cruelty.

    It is also sectarian harrasment, coming from my own point of view, if I were to find Union Jacks appear around my property I would be intimidated, and more than a little fucked off. I can see how it looks funny, it’s an unusual story, but at the end of the day it’s going to be unpleasant for the farmer, even if he doesn’t lose his lambs (and he may yet).

  • Democratic

    “Case in point, how many of the soldiers or pizza delivery men were nIreland unionists?”

    I’ve seen where this discussion of “Republicans never targeted ordinary Prods/Unionists” leads Sean – directly to the Cain figures – I’ll save myself the bother thanks. Would you really like a list of non-combatants from the Protestant/Unionist community killed during Republican “operations”?

    “What real damage was done? If the sheep were mistreated they would have shown it and if the lambs had died they would be miscarried”

    LOL – you are obviously still betaken with the idea that sheep welfare is the real issue here…….but then again weren’t you the guy who told us that the victim was a “as British as Finchley type balloon” so it is pretty clear that we see this incident differently….

    ‘themuns is as bad as ussuns’ – If what you mean by this is do I think Nationalists can be sectarian to the same degree as their opposite numbers – then yes I do I’m afraid!

  • yes

    mmmmmmk, for all the dicks on here telling unionists to have a sense of humour, and see the funny side of this prank “by kids”. Can someone tell me what is funny about Spraying IRA on his gateposts, “we havent gone away” written on the flag, but in fairness the appearance of the GAA flag came as no surprise to me whatsoever.

    http://victims.org.uk/s08zhk/

  • Terin

    You see in the fantasy land occupied by Republicans Prods don’t get threatened, now they may have jokes played on them but that’s ok.

    However in this fantasy land Catholics need only hear the sound of a lambeg drum somewhere in the distance to be in immediate fear of their lives.

    It’s just the way it is. Catholics are the victims, Protestants are the aggressors. Period.

  • Sean

    Democratic

    You are making the classic unionist mistake of conflating unionism and the state, the state is not unionists and unionists are not the state

    It would be far more accurate to say the

    Or the terrorist murder of soldiers, police and pizza men by republicans can give the impression that Pizza Hut’s are in danger

  • Fabianus

    Sean

    You are making the classic unionist mistake of conflating unionism and the state, the state is not unionists and unionists are not the state

    Oh please, stop pretending to be obtuse. You know full well that the IRA and dissident attacks were attacks on the Union. Its security forces are by extension Unionists, who are representing the Union as soon as they climb into uniform. If a pizza delivery man gets in the way it doesn’t alter the principle.

    Assuming one can apply the word “principle” in the case of those common murderers.

  • Sean

    they were attacks on representatives of the state and a pizza delivery company. Peperoni’s every where are scared

    I would swear those soldiers weren’t even from nIreland so how could it be an attack on unionists? Unless you conflate unionists and the state

    Its security forces are by extension Unionists, who are representing the Union as soon as they climb into uniform. If a pizza delivery man gets in the way it doesn’t alter the principle.

    Assuming one can apply the word “principle” in the case of those common murderers

    So you are finally recognizong how the security forces were/are viewed by nationalist/republicans

  • Fabianus

    Sean

    I would swear those soldiers weren’t even from nIreland so how could it be an attack on unionists?

    Here’s a hint: it’s the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Grow the fuck up.

  • Sean

    I bet when those poor little feckers signed up nIreland was the last place on their minds and the union only really enters into the psyche of unionists

    I woul;d bet you a beer in Oneils Pub in Antrim that defending the union of paddy’s and brits was the lowest priority in their minds

  • Sean

    PS I picked a proddy bar just for you

  • Fabianus

    Sean

    PS I picked a proddy bar just for you

    I’m sure PS will be grateful.

  • Ardboe-all-seeing-eye

    In the words of every elected representative , MLA and hanger on in “the north” ….

    “”the reality is”” that these sheep were spray painted by a cross community bunch of young local lads as a prank on the farmer. The irony being that the mastermind is himself a protestant and good friend of the farmer.