McCausland suggests changes to GAA funding

Nelson McCausland has suggested that GAA clubs which are named after IRA terrorists could have their funding cut. He said that officials were examining clauses in Sport NI’s grant-making arrangements to advise if changes should be considered. On Good Morning Ulster McCausland suggested that it was also inappropriate to name competitions after IRA members. Francie Brolly (also on Good Morning Ulster) dismissed the idea. He explained that a GAA club local to him in Dungiven named after INLA member Kevin Lynch was so named because of Lynch’s famed prowess as a hurling player. He also stated that when previously unionist councils had been taken to court for failing to fund the GAA adequately.

  • does Ards rugby club still commemorate Paddy Blayne of the SAS and if so then will this affect any possible funding they receive?

  • skullion

    Treebeard

    I think you’re getting confused with rugby or perhaps you can tell us which teams you watched that caused you so much angst.

  • Sean

    Treebeard

    sounds like hockey night in Canada, we love it

  • Treebeard

    skullion,haven’t a clue what the teams were called but it does seem to be a pretty regular occurrence (usually resulting in the GAA authorities slapping some wrists and then letting them get on with it), perhaps as a GAAist you actually know the teams?

    Sean, I’m sure you do “love it” but then you Americans do love your violence.

  • Sean

    Americans like europeans are pussies when it comes to hockey but thanks for coming out

    The Canada part should have been a dead give away

  • Treebeard “…I’ve watched it seems that fist-fighting seems to be pretty much part of the fabric ; not a particularly postive image to be presenting to impressionable young minds. ”

    as if the good ol’ egg-chasing holds the moral high ground….

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/my_club/ulster/6292399.stm

    HYPOCRITE !!!!!

  • Freddie

    Sean, what’s with the “Canada part should have been a dead giveaway”? You’re as American as apple pie.

    Don’t tell me that you’re one of those folks that believe a line on a map makes a difference?

  • Treebeard

    MyTuppenceWorth, eh?

    Where did you get the rugby line from, I’m not a supporter.

    TWAT!!!!!

    BTW who the feck is “Paddy Blayne”

    TWAT x 2 !!!!!

  • Sean

    Freddie
    as long as you concede you are as french as escargot

  • CW wrote “Interesting to read Turnpike’s comments at 11:43 above. I have no idea where Turnpike from, nor do I wish to speculate, but his/her attitude is similar to that of many upper middle class people in the south, particularly in the leafier Dublin suburbs who have an unreserved contempt for the GAA. You see this manifested in the views of certain Sunday Independent columnists.

    We’ve had many (perhaps too many?) debates on this site about perceptions and attitudes towards the GAA in the north, but few (if any) on attitudes towards the GAA in the south. Although, it’s a little off-topic I’d be interested in hearing peoples’ views (particularly southerners) on why this section of the southern bourgeoisie views the association with such derision. As I come from the north I don’t have a fully informed insight into the subject, but I have my theories. Snobbery certainly comes into it, but it’s also to do with the outward cosmopolitan aspirations of such people, who see the GAA as backwards and insular, a symptom of the old Ireland which they would want to leave behind. I don’t agree with this view, but I find it an interesting sociological talking point. Any further thoughts on this? “

    The present All Ireland club football champions are Kilmacud Crokes, from the southside of Dublin. They won their first title back in 1994/5. Since then 5 Dublin teams have been Leinster club champions with St Vincents winning the All Ireland in 2007/8. So club football is firmly rooted in Dublin (and Goatstown) so much so that Dublin has the second highest number of club All Irelands (6) after Cork (11, damned Nemo).

    On the hurling side, the Dubs county hurlers featured in the Leinster Final against the eventual All Ireland winners KK; they gave a right drubbing to Antrim. This is their best run in years and it’s been a steady improvement over the last decade – The Dubs came forth in the League this year. You can read Turnpike’s journalist in the stereotypical Shoneen paper The Irish Thames http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0704/1224250043766.html commented that “ most of the new generation of Dublin talent has burst from the teeming southside clubs…”

    In summary, Turnpike is a British aspiring twit, presently suffering from an inferiority complex base on his Irish up-bringing which he’s trying to erase by enveloping himself in all things British…. therefore he’s a unionist. There’s nothing in his posting to identify him as coming from Dublin’s southside. The southside is rich in GAA success and this will continue regardless of (and not in spite of) the likes of Turnpike and Nelson McCausland.

    Ath Cliath abu !!!

  • well, regardless of what Nelson says, tonite
    at 7.45pm Ich Bin Ein Wolfsburger

  • Treebeard, did I say you were an egg-chaser or am I pointing out that GAA shouldn’t be singled out as being violent. Your posting implicated that Gaelic games were the only ones which featured violent acts. I now understand that you wished to portray gaelic games in that manner because you’ve limited debating abilities; you’re ignorant lumpen-unionariat.

    It was a typo and supposed to be Paddy Mayne. The whole Ards rugby might have been a hint or indeed the SAS part.

    Is a hypocrite in NI a bigot?

  • barnshee

    Frank
    “22.Barnshee

    Are you on drugs? ”

    only the non prescription variety dispensed at my local

    What did I say that so upset you?

  • Frank

    ‘only the non prescription variety dispensed at my local’

    Good man 🙂

    ‘What did I say that so upset you?’

    Nothing, i asked the question as you seemed a little ‘animated’ last night

  • Treebeard

    2p, bad idea for you to bring up debating skills as on reading your latest post you appear to have some difficulty stringing a couple of coherent sentences together.

    Perhaps too many punches to the head playing GAA?

  • Freddie

    Sean I know you Canucks are supposed to be dumb but you’re not even making that standard. I guess you’re probably a Newfie and as I’ve taken an oath not to mock the afflicted I’ll have to leave you with your fantasies.

  • Sean

    Freddie I am not a newfie and other than talking like they are holding their life savings in dimes in their mouth there is nothing wrong with them

    You stated what you regarded as a fact I just took it to its logical conclusion. Its your meme dude

  • lumpen-unionariat,

    now you’re being a pedant? Stick to rational discussion of the issues at hand (as difficult thas that might be being a bigot) and don’t bother with my typing etc.

    Nah, I give them not receive…. call by sometime for a sample !!! It’d be my pleasure

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Tim: “Its a point McCausland could take on board. He can’t really complain about 1 GAA club when he is happy to march with publicly funded bands who glorify loyalist paramilitaries.”

    That McCausland is as guilty as others does nothing to obliterate the underlying point. So long as both sides are tone-deaf to their own hypocrisy, it is going to be “ground hog day” ad nauseum and ad infinitum.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Personally, were I an Irish Catholic living under UK jurisdiction I would advocate the changing of all GAA clubs named after ex-IRA and INLA men in the north of Ireland – AFTER the statue of the bloodhungry terrorist Oliver Cromwell is demolished from outside the Palace of Westminster.

    A fair deal to appease all tribal sensitivities which I am sure Dame Nelson will heartily agree to. Such a fair and decent chap he is.

  • Jimmy Sands

    The depressing zero-sum nature of the thread is perhaps best illustrated by the fact that making the GAA more attractive to unionists is seen solely as a concession to unionists rather than as something from which the GAA might itself benefit.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Jimmy, Unionists are in no position to make any claims about making sports teams more “attractive” to the other tradition when GSTQ is still played at Windsor Park every NI home game.

    I believe in the future the clubs named after ex IRA or INLA men should and will indeed be changed. But not because class A Orange bigots like Lady Nelson say they should.

  • The Original Sam Maguire

    “The depressing zero-sum nature of the thread is perhaps best illustrated by the fact that making the GAA more attractive to unionists is seen solely as a concession to unionists rather than as something from which the GAA might itself benefit. “

    Jimmy, there’s quite a difference between the GAA itself trying to make itself more attractive to unionists – which given the gradual internal changes within the GAA has made over the past decade could have been a natural evolution – rather than being pontificated to by unionists who have a clear agenda of trying to dilute the irishness of nationalists in the north as quickly as possible.

  • Realist

    “Unionists are in no position to make any claims about making sports teams more “attractive” to the other tradition when GSTQ is still played at Windsor Park every NI home game”

    Nationalist/Republican GAA supporters are in no position to lecture anyone on divisive anthems at sporting fixtures.

    Jimmy Sands makes a very valid point – unfortunately, many interpret the word change to mean concession.

    Perhaps concentrating on the benefits of change to the Association would be positive energy well spent?

  • Delquinn

    Realist the GAA do not do reality as can be witnessed by reading the contribution of GAA supporters on this thread.

    The concerns raised about the glorification of individuals responsible for the murder of members of the Protestant community by a sporting organisation is met by whataboutery, abuse and in one case (MyTuppenceWorth) a threat of violence.

    The GAA is rooted in one community, particularly so in Northern Ireland, its ethos is sectarian despite the PR about change, it has an overt political agenda, Irish unity, a flirtation with violent Republicanism and I suspect is more than content to remain a cold pitch for Protestants.

  • skullion

    Delquinn

    For the umpteenth time name these clubs and individuals.

  • March March March March March March March March

    Terrorists should be demeaned not honoured.

  • Jimmy Sands

    RoC, OSM

    You miss the point. Why make this about unionist politicians at all? GAA members need to ask themselves, unprompted form outside, do they want to attract members from the unionist community. If they see no value in this then they can carry on as they are. If on the other hand they do see a benefit, then naming a club after a hunger striker is plainly unhelpful. I understand the irritation at McCausland being the one to point this out, put perhaps it shouldn’t have been left to him.

  • skullion

    Jimmy

    The Gaa did not name a club after a hunger striker.The members of Dungiven chose to do that.Incidentally the footall team calls itself Dungiven not Kevin Lynchs.As for attracting new members many clubs haven’t got the existing facilities to cope with the demands such is the popularity of gaelic games.Personally i would welcome any creed,colour or religion to my club.However every time a unionist politician speaks about the gaa it is merely to denounce it so it hardly makes it easier to attract unionist members.

  • barnshee

    Steven Zipperstein, professor of Jewish Culture and History at Stanford University, argues that a belief in the State of Israel’s responsibility for the Arab-Israeli conflict is considered “part of what a reasonably informed, progressive, decent person think

    Says it all

  • skullion

    Barnshee

    It certainly says more than ‘up yours’

  • Pope’s Head on a Platter

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/8284278.stm

    Meanwhile, the Prods are doing what they do best. Only a pittance of a fine though.

  • The Reincarnation of Paul Revere’s Horse

    I would agree with Jimmy there some what. With the interest of better inter-community relations GAA clubs should be a bit more sensitive towards the Unionist community. Whom we ARE trying to encourage to join local GAA clubs as well as other communities.

    However this is a two way street I feel and the Unionist community might well get a better response out of the GAA if they show some positivity from their side in regards the matter.

    This may defeat the thought among some GAA folk that no matter what they do Unionists will never want to join in.

    Essentially dont have politicians just rant about what they don’t like and then sit there with arms folded. Constructive dialogue between both the Minister and the GAA (which will hopefully happen soon) so that a solution can be found.

    It would be also interesting to know how the Unionist attitude towards the GAA and Gaelic Games may soften in response to any changes made or even theoretical changes.

  • skullion

    Actually the previous minister Edwin Poots was i think starting to form quite a good relationship with the Ulster council of the gaa.I know that the organisation certainly respected him and felt that he was someone that could help relations between the gaa and the unionist community.I doubt that any of that progress will continue under Nelson.