Newtonbutler memorial and Lisbellaw Flags

Sinn Fein have unveiled a memorial to the Hunger Strikers on Housing Executive owned land in Newtownbutler. A statement by The Housing Executive said that the monument had been erected: “without the agreement, involvement or knowledge of Housing Executive staff.” Erne East Sinn Fein Councillor Thomas O’Reilly said the majority of people in the Newtownbutler area want this memorial.
“This monument marks a show of respect for all those who died in the hunger strikes of 1981 and commemorates our late MP Bobby Sands who many people in South Fermanagh worked extremely hard to get elected. We all have to share communities and tolerate each others cultures and traditions and this memorial is a symbol of our history and is in no way meant to be intimidating or should be deemed offensive by anyone.”
He admitted that the party did not seek permission of Housing Executive and said “We have yet to do that” and added “We’ve had no objections”

Meanwhile also in Fermanagh Sinn Fein Erne East councillor Ruth Lynch has called for the removal of Union Flags at the edge of Lisbellaw: “These flags have been on display since before the July celebrations and are principally flying along the main road at Lisbellaw. They are not only extremely unsightly, especially at the height of the tourist season, they are offensive to a large number of people who regard them, rightly in my view, as sectarian and damaging to community relations. They were put up in the run up to the Twelfth, and we are now approaching October. Can we expect them to still be there by Christmas?”

  • Brilliant example of how to let the facts speak for themselves Turgon. They may as well have said usins are different than themmins so we can do what we want.

  • Only Asking

    Thomas O’Reilly said the majority of people in the Newtownbutler area want this memorial.

    So what is the problem? The people (and families) want it, the community wants it,raised money for it. SF have given voice to that as the community leaders.

    Also as their community leaders SF have given voice to the fact that the flags are unsightly, and that people want them removed.
    Theres a problem here?

    Isn’t that what they are supposed to do? What their people ask of them?

  • dunreavynomore

    Only Asking,
    aye and to hell with all that aul planning permission, property rights and shit like that. Where do you live? I’ll be moving in tomorrow, all my neighbours want me to go, it’s unanimous so it’ll be all right then. I’m sure you’ll soon find a place, just take a housing executive property, you can ask later or is that only for Sinn Féin?.

    The flag issue is just another example of that great new institution, ‘outreach’.

  • Faolchu

    A pathetic attempt by the shinners to make up some losing ground in the county.

    ‘If we change our names to Irish, like Mr. Ó Cobhthaigh (who’s since departed like Swift and McHugh before him), and erect a few memorials perhaps them stupid eejits in the west will overlook our administration of British law and order.’

    A bit rich to be erecting hunger strike and Sean South memorials in the county when they now sit on the same policing board these same men were trying to break.

    I can’t wait for next month’s unveiling by O’Reilly of a Seamus McElwaine bronze statue in Roslea…

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathy Collins

    it’s a shame sinn fein didn’t get the proper permits for the memorial. Their blunder changes the focus from what the memorial is and represents to discussions over sinn fein.

    Regarding Ruth Lynch–she has courage and is doing the correct thing to get the union jack flags down…the leadership of sinn fein should follow her lead

  • DC

    If Ruth Lynch is offended over union flags my advice to her, given this level of offence threshold, is to stay well clear of the internet.

  • ed

    dunreavynomore

    you have revealed yourself and now we have your measure, you care nothing about nationalists only about sticking the blade in as deep into SF as possible. So what unionist tradition do you really belong as opposed to republican that you fake being?

  • Coll Ciotach

    SF has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory once again. They should have went through planning. No matter what happened would have been a victory. If they got planning then no problem and unionists could not have complained without running the risk of being branded bigots. If they were refused then the opportunities are endless. In any case the statue would have eventually went up.

    They could have also raised the flag issue too, and no one could link the two.

    Stupid move SF.

  • Coll Ciotach

    Statue – memorial – whatever

  • aquifer

    Nothing that a JCB can’t fix

  • victor

    I am sure that Turgon would be the first to confirm the many terrorist murals painted on gable walls owned by the Housing Exec.-at Linfield Road, Sandy Row for example. Also the dozens of shrines to loyalist terrorists on NIHE land within estates in Belfast.All carried out without the permission of the landowner.

    For the sake of balance, why not do a thread on all of these memorials? Over to you, Turgon.

  • igor

    So if the majority of people in Portadown want the OO to march down Garvaghy Road then that’s OK then?

    But what can you expect of a Party that erects memorials to a group of men including a child killer

  • igor

    By the way, didn’t SF say this week that community relations is all about equaliity?

  • Democratic

    The real story here is nether the memorial or the flags – it is simply Sinn Fein’s sickening double standards and hypocrisy….

  • Comrade Stalin

    I can’t listen to lectures from unionists about people erecting flags (or memorials) illegally without falling all over the place laughing. Sorry.

    (we DO need a formal set of rules, and an enforcement body – something like the Parades Commission – to deal with flags and murals. But don’t expect any sensible proposals to come from the TUV or, indeed, any of the tribal parties)

  • Yani

    What ever happened to Sinn Fein and its support for law and order?

    The erection of this monument to terrorists is not only in breach of civil law but as damage will have occurred to HE property the criminal offence of criminal damage will have been committed.

    As a Sinn Fein representative has admitted involvement in an offence I’ll expect an arrest to follow.

    BTW anyone with information as to the identities of those responsible for illegal murals etc in other locations should also contact the police.

  • Scaramoosh

    It is somewhat ironic, that a party that was inextricably linked to an organisation that went to
    “war” to protect the interests of the minority population of N.Ireland, should justify the erection of tribal murals on the grounds that;

    “the majority of people in the Newtownbutler area want this memorial.”

    It was the same reasoning, no doubt, that saw a loyalist, crisp munching, mob, bedeck the entire town centre of Bangor with Union Jacks and Ulster Flags over the Summer.

    9% of the population of Newtownbutler are Protestant, against 10% of the population of Bangor being Catholic.

    On both counts the acts in question are sectarian, intimidatory and designed to foster a culture of ghettoisation.

  • Only Asking

    all my neighbours want me to go

    Revealing, if they want you why would I want you living next to me? Music too loud, got a grudge, an axe to grind….

    Come on dunreavey, this isn’t party political, its the unionists that are making it contentious. Are you agreeing with Arlene Foster, or can you not see that these memorials remember the dead and should not be a party political issue. That the unionistsf are making it one, helps SF more than hinders them. Not everyone in SF is an ogre, some in there genuinely remember the people who fought and died. Stop buying into unionist hyperbole, and try to get on with the neighbours ffs.

  • This highlights why SF hve so big an issue with a policy to tackle sectarianism and division in our region.

    http://oconallstreet.com/2009/09/17/shared-future-has-become-a-debate-about-the-past/

  • Democratic

    Excellent post Scaramoosh!

  • Realist

    Sinn Féin Councillor, Padraig MacLochlainn, August 2009

    “We cannot cherry pick any particular incident for memorial”

    “What would be more appropriate would be that we commemorate the over 3,000 people that lost their lives on all sides”

    Must be a change in policy.

  • On the issue of tolerance for minorities, the Orange community in Dublin and the greater south are still waiting for tolerance and respect from Sinn Fein and their rent a mob in Dublin – I mean their old boy’s association! I’m glad to see that the Orange community are continuing to rise above it though, and are taking steps in the right direction. Their new website is testimony to them. http://www.dublin1313.com

  • RepublicanStones

    Did anyone read the article in yesterdays Irish News regarding an insiders view on the Orange type institutions.

  • Barnshee

    Meanwhile also in Fermanagh Sinn Fein Erne East councillor Ruth Lynch has called for the removal of Union Flags at the edge of Lisbellaw:

    ” the majority of people in the Lisbellaw area want this ….

  • igor

    “What would be more appropriate would be that we commemorate the over 3,000 people that lost their lives on all sides”

    No. Sorry. What would be more appropriate is that we commemorate all those who lost their lives who were not members of illegal terrorist organisations

    Anything else is amoral.

    I now await the girning and bleating from the usual suspects

  • RepublicanStones

    Take out the ‘illegal’ there igor and you might get a consensus.

  • Tim

    ‘Did anyone read the article in yesterdays Irish News regarding an insiders view on the Orange type institutions.’

    How many of our assembly members are involved in ‘riding the goat’ and the other satanic rituals.

    Here he undergoes one of the most painful and humiliating experiences within the Royal Arch Purple ceremony, when he is brutally kicked and tossed upon the blanket by the assembled Chapter for a number of minutes. This practice is known as “riding the goat.”

    “Beating the candidate across the legs with brambles and, in some cases, holly to the accompaniment of laughter and even goat-like bleatings.”

    http://www.nireland.com/evangelicaltruth/chapter6.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/oct/24/northernireland.theobserver1

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    They died not for Ireland……… but for the rights of all ‘political’ prisoners in her majesty’s big houses.

    “A bit rich to be erecting hunger strike and Sean South memorials in the county when they now sit on the same policing board these same men were trying to break.”

    True….Sinn Fein is awash with hypocrisy and contradictions.

    Gas too that one of their scaremongering tactics in their latest NO campaign to the Lisbon Treaty involves a poster of a tank with a caption about NO to the militarization of Europe. This from a shower that readily accepted arms from abroad to murder and maim in Ireland and Britain.

    Gas too that Sinn Fein are so anti-Europe but yet they ran queen Mary Lou as an MEP candidate in the last Euro southern elections, and quite rightly the Republican people of Eire saw through the hypocrisy and did’nt elect her.

  • Sean

    Igor

    So members of legal terrorists organizations like the udr, ruc,ba and the oo should be memorialized?

  • dunreavynomore

    “you have revealed yourself and now we have your measure, you care nothing about nationalists only about sticking the blade in as deep into SF as possible. So what unionist tradition do you really belong as opposed to republican that you fake being?”
    As a republican who believes that the future of Ireland should be decided by the people of Ireland I do enjoy taking the piss out of the shinners as they wriggle on the hooks they fashioned themselves in their legitimising partition. They are so unprincipled as, like circus clowns, they try to ride two horses at the same time that it is comical to watch. I am the kind of republican who sees the farcical nature of the shinner’s proclaimed republicanism while they help Westminster administer ‘the Pravince’; I am the kind of republican who weeps when I think of the murderous IRA thugs who battered Paul Quinn systematically to death in a shed in Oram and who were then given cover by the craven cowards in Sinn Féin such as Connor Murphy, British minister of state; I am the kind of republican who hates the lies he constantly hears from the lips of Sinn Féin and who is scornful of those ‘republicans’ who have developed large property portfolios on the backs of people like Bobby Sands; I am the kind of republican who is scornful of the ‘good republicans’ like Tom, Slab, Murphy, a multi millionaire who asks us to believe that he is only a humble farmer. I am a republican who finds the hypocrisy of Sinn Féin nauseating. Do I need to go on? I could if you wished.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Folk should always remember that no political party or organization is above the welfare, etc… of the island of Ireland and all her people.

    Some dunderheads become just blinkered fanatics.

  • Brit

    Some supporter of a totalitarian sectarian murderer organisation killed themselves because they werent given special privileges in prison. Boo f@cking hoo.

    His canonization by the Republican movement is illustrative of many of its key features:-

    – love of death and martyrdom

    – mawkishness and fake sentimentality

    – cult of the victim

    I remember be told by a NI Catholic at Uni how much he disliked Mrs T. I started to agree then then he explained to me that it was because she had murdered his country men. We stayed off politics after that.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Folk should always remember that no political party or organization is above the welfare, etc… of the island of Ireland and all her people.

    Some dunderheads become just blinkered fanatics….. and apologists.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Absolutely correct Brit…and of course you can apply that to the British political establishment, etc… and it’s plethora of military deeds and actions …the war in Afghanistan being the latest spin.

  • dunreavynomore

    “Stop buying into unionist hyperbole, and try to get on with the neighbours ffs.” Only Asking.

    Of course I am not “buying into unionist hyperbole” but am simply pointing out the contradictions within current Sinn Féin thinking as they try to distract from the fact that they are now part and parcel of what Bobby Sands fought against. I am also showing up the poverty of the argument that we can do what we like when we have a certain amount of support, that’s what gave us the Unionist veto on Irish independence and what S.F have bought into but like to pretend does not exist. My skit about the neighbours insisting that I move into your house simply shows the sort of nonsense the ‘that’s what the people want’ thing can lead to especially when someone first decides ‘what the people want’ before asking them.

  • Mayoman

    Dunreavynomore: what Bobby Sand’s would or wouldn’t have accepted is a bit hard to gauge don’t you think? From a non-violent republican’s point of view, getting unionists to accept that they are so democractically twisted that any sort of normal PR or ‘first past the post’ electoral system is simpmply not going to work is some feat. Basically, unionists will never again have any sort of unfettered power in NI, meanwhile a UI gets ever closer. I wonder what Bobby Sands would have made of NI now, which is simply in a holding pattern for a UI with the worst aspects of unionism neutered until that happens. Some loss for SF hey?

  • Munsterman

    Mayoman

    “I wonder what Bobby Sands would have made of NI now”

    He probably would have liked all the DFS and furniture world branches which would have made excellent legitimate targets.

    Who really gives a flying fuck what that fucktard “may have” thought, hes burning in hell right now.

  • fin

    “Who really gives a flying fuck what that fucktard “may have” thought, hes burning in hell right now.”

    Thats a bugger, eternity surrounded by unionists and Brits, must be why they call it hell

  • red diesel republican

    Mayoman, you are codding yourself and no one else if you think we are in a holding pattern for a united Ireland. Pay attention now while I explain the Principle of Consent which Sinn Fein, and incidentally all the people of Ireland, signed up to in 1998. It means that 50% plus one voter in the north can veto a United Ireland. So if you want a United Ireland you have convince some unionists to turn their coats. Now I don’t think that is impossible, just very very difficult. But the thing is, who can do it? There may be many organisations which might have a role, but there is one which will never be able to do it and that is Sinn Fein. That is why Gerry Adams is prancing about Manhattan and talking to the Great Irish Diaspora about a United Ireland -talking to anybody who will listen to him. Funny thing is if he wants to convince people to bring about a united Ireland he doesn’t have to go to Manhattan. He could start convincing right there in his own constituency where there is a large number of voters with a veto on unity. But that’s ridiculous, isn’t it? Precisely, dear boy

  • Mayoman

    Many people ‘dear’ RDR, would not have predicted unionists would tie themselves into a powerless bag, while the UK slooowwwly pulls away?

    As you say “Now I don’t think that is impossible, just very very difficult”

    There is no rush now, real republicans know how to wait. In my lifetime? Perhaps as an old man. But if it doesn’t come? Never a return to 1969 et al. The Orange State is dead, good riddance. Don’t you see ‘dear boy’ the GFA has two endpoints: a perpetually caged unionist polity, never able to achive anything greater than power sharing, or a UI (raison d’etre of the TUV, you might say). In the long term, unionism has nowehere to go to have a real say, except into a UI. One day, even if it takes a generation, some, and, as you say, it not need be many, but enough, will wake up to that.

  • Who really gives a flying fuck what that fucktard “may have” thought, hes burning in hell right now.
    Posted by Munsterman on Sep 18, 2009 @ 02:21 PM

    Yeah, just like all those fucktards who died and murdered for Ireland between 1916-1922. Ah the safe free stater view that their own state was founded on wine and roses and not death and murder. Hyprocritical fool!

  • the hypocrisy stinks

    typical sinn fein

    “We all have to share communities and tolerate each others cultures and traditions and this memorial is a symbol of our history and is in no way meant to be intimidating or should be deemed offensive by anyone”

    week in week out the local sinn fein scum call for flags to be removed from a loyalist town (kilkeel)

    http://archives.tcm.ie/newrydemocrat/2008/07/23/story9371.asp

    despite this provocation the loyalists of kilkeel let nationalists have their 15th august parade through the town.

    I note in the above article SF representative refers to “the town’s main thoroughfares”, pity they dont think the garvaghy road is a “main thoroughfare”. Sometimes they just cant hide their naked hatred of anything british.

  • the man with no plan

    I know in Newry they illegally erected a grotesque “blanket man” statue in fisher park (donated to the people of newry from a protestant family) without permission, there are crosses and other shite erected on the newry bypass. On kilmorney street there is a flagpole installed in the middle of the pavement (accident waiting to happen 😉 ) along with a plaque mounted on the wall (they also used council money for it too if i remember correctly). They renamed a local park after a local terrorist raymond mcreesh, in the paper the local SF douche bag stated the park was exclusively republican so it was ok, firstly does he not think this would be off-putting to the other community, and on that assumption would he remove it if i bought a house on the estate ?.

    there are others im sure if i sat down and thought about it.

    Im sure they are doing this all over the country, i would be interested to hear other bloggers experiences.

  • dunreavynomore

    “Basically, unionists will never again have any sort of unfettered power in NI, meanwhile a UI gets ever closer.” Mayoman
    The first part of your point has some validity c but needs the further explanation that republicans and nationalists will have no kind of ‘unfettered powwer’ either and that the final power still lies in London which delights Unionists, not exactly what Bobby Sands fought for. The second part about a U.I getting closer is very dubious and without rehashing the whole argument, the bottom line is that S.F have agreed that the unionist people in the 6 counties have a right to hold a veto on the future of Ireland’, somehow I find it hard to accept that anyone should have fought, killed or died for that; it’s a bit like those who claim the IRA put the British army back into their barracks, as a Sinn Fein councillor called McIvor, constantly tells us in The Irish News, while the reality is that in their barracks is where they were before the IRA started fighting with them. Britain still collects my taxes and the fact that some of them are used to pay Gerry Adams and co simply sickens me more.
    Mayoman, I still see their armed wing, the PSNI, their helicopters and occassionaly their soldiers so forgive me if I feel no closer to Bobby Sand’s goal than I did when I was a boy and that’s a while ago. Wasted lives on all sides and self serving politicians making use of the dead on all sides. Politicians and priests, preserve us from them.

  • Terrain

    As a unionist I’m not bothered with the shinners erecting this stone. I’m just happy that the number of stones having to be raised to mark the graves of members of my community courtesy of the shinners has somewhat reduced of late.

    Fortunately for me I’m unlikely to ever visit a state-funded croppie ghetto in Newtonbutler. If I ever did I’d treat this ‘monument’in the same way as a dog turd on the pavement, step around it and continue on my way.

  • Mayoman

    There is a staue at Stormont, the place that houses an assembly that is supposed to represent entire populace of NI. It is erected in honour of a terrorist who founded the first unionist paramilitary force. If unionists are so abhorred by hypocrisy, I await their campaign to get rid of this homage to a violent terrorist and erect in its place, a statue that is representative of 100% not just 55% of what is currently, but hopefully for not too much longer, the partitioned 6 counties.

  • Frankie Carroll

    I can assure you that Mayoman does not represent my views or those of any of my friends. Dont take offence my northern “brothers” but to be frank we don’t want you, our economy has dipped, yes, but taking on you lot of morons would bankrupt us.

    Frankly you are an embarrassment to ireland, no wonder the UK has been trying to ditch you lot, but believe me we dont want 2 million nutters either. Can you lot not get on and stop acting like kids in the 21st century for gawds sake.

    People in Dublin are more worried about house prices and job losses (which are becoming very worrying esp in the tech sectors), reading this both sides “up north” are still living in the past, all you talk about is tribal and sectarian shite. I certainly wouldnt want to be propping up you thugs and nutters with my taxes, no thank you, ill settle for the the way things are thank you very much.

    If you think different mayoman maybe you should move up with them, I know mayo is hardly on the same level as dublin for nightlife (i doubt you could afford a city house), but surely there is something more constructive for you to do than live in a time warp man.

  • Mayoman

    Dunreavynomore: its not the point that republicans do not have unfettered power, for it wasn’t them that created the Orange State. The point is, that mentality, while it still exists in the unionist polcitical psyche, can never be let loose again. For that, everyone can be grateful, because 1969 is that much more likely not to be repreated. My true belief is that ‘delight’ in london rule will diminsh as London continues its disentanglement from the mess it made. Let me ask you a straight question: if London had a way of getting out of NI peacefully tomorrow, do you think they would voluntarily stay?

  • Reader

    fin: Thats a bugger, eternity surrounded by unionists and Brits, must be why they call it hell
    It’s the overcrowding that’s the worst part. Besides being a Brit, a Unionist or a suicide, aren’t there a load of other mortal sins that will get you in?

  • Mayoman

    Frankie, at least you made me laugh! Maybe you and your ivory tower ‘brothers’ can campaign for a free republic of D4 Yah?? Belive me, yah, the MASSIVE majority of Ireland would vote to see the back of you inbreds! Now go get off dada’s computer and go ride your Pony, good boy.

  • fin

    that was a tad cheeky of me Reader, there’s a lot of nice Brits, and even an odd nice unionist, btw suicide by starvation is not a mortal sin, at least it usen’t to be, I imagine hell is full of bloggers, possibly bloggers denied internet access and made to communicate normally, thats probably hell.

  • dunreavynomore

    “Let me ask you a straight question: if London had a way of getting out of NI peacefully tomorrow, do you think they would voluntarily stay?” Mayoman.
    What did the old song say, “when we were savage fierce and wild
    She came as a mother to her child
    Kept us free from want and care,
    God bless England is our prayer..” You know that old song, an answer all those years ago to people who claimed, as you do, that Britain is only here for the good of the people of Ireland. The same applies to Iraq, Afghanistan and all the other places Britain’s ‘humanitarian’ hand has touched. No, I happen to believe that if Britain wanted to leave it would have gone yesterday. Is it showing a lighter hand? Yes, because it has Irish people like you believing Britain’s role is beneficent and people like Adams helping them administer partition and contain the opposition. What did daniel O’Connel say the Irish people would be if Britain would only treat them a little better?

  • Cushy Glenn

    “Did anyone read the article in yesterdays Irish News regarding an insiders view on the Orange type institutions”

    I suspect that someone did, unless you are implying that “Irish News” readers only look at the pictures…..

  • Mayoman

    Using a 300-odd yr old proverb is not really going to wash democratic! And ‘humanitarian’ is the last thing I would have called any British regime. The truth is, Britain as you know well, was always ready to ‘sell out’ ‘Ulstermen’, and it is in that vein I ask the question. The truth is, Britain has declared non-interest in NI for some years. That ‘lighter hand’ you talk of, so rightly, thats the GFA, and it is the equivalent of saying ‘there there’ to unionists, whilst sneaking, slowly, out the side door. Daniel O’Connell was right, but he was right for his time. Now is different, or haven’t you noticed?

  • Mayoman

    Ooops got the wrong name in there, sorry dunreavy! Anayway, I’m off for the night. Hope you all have a great weekend.

  • Frankie Carroll

    mayoman

    “The truth is, Britain has declared non-interest in NI for some years”

    like most politicians, i usually take the opposite to be true.

    Personally i would rather see britain pick up the bill for NI than the republic, and i think most of our govt/tax payers would agree.

    Britain and ireland have the best relations I ever remember. Unfortunately there will always be a minority on the remote outposts (eg portadown & mayo) who dont move with the times, dont worry ill not wait for your reply, i dont think mayo has fixed line broadband yet.

    I regularly travel to the north of england on business and nicer people you could not meet, and i genuinely mean that. I remember my parents telling me years ago how irish were (mal)treated in england, but from my experience that is no longer the case.

    and as for your cheap and immature d4 remarks , i simply will ignore that, as you know nothing about me, or about much else when i think about it. try to have a “conversation” rather than come out with infantile remarks ie calling me inbred.

    personally i couldn’t give a fig about what happened 100 or 300 or 800 years ago….life is too short for this sh1t and the sooner you realise that the better.

  • Mayoman

    “and as for your cheap and immature d4 remarks , i simply will ignore that, as you know nothing about me”

    I would read your own first post back and learn (if you are capabale), nuff said!

  • dunreavynomore

    Mayoman, so you are saying that the British government are intent on dismantling the United Kingdom while I believe they are seeking ways to make it more acceptable and to get the ‘natives’ to embrace it just as they have done with S F and the principle of consent, said consent really meaning the consent of unionism..

  • dunreavynomore

    A final point, Mayoman, before I go for a few pints, can you tell me when Britain last, or ever, declared a selfish interest anywhere, didn’t they always have ‘honest’ reasons for invading other countries no matter what the poor locals might have thought? So when they state that they are not in Ireland for ‘selfish’ reasons you need to bear in mind that it is their own definition of selfish.

  • RepublicanStones

    “I can assure you that Mayoman does not represent my views or those of any of my friends.”

    Fine…but it seems you have a massive circle of friends or maybe if your a dub you get to represent all the views you want eh?

    “People in Dublin are more worried about house prices and job losses”

    “and i think most of our govt/tax payers would agree.”

    I live and work in Dublin, but have never once proclaimed to know what every other inhabitant of the city thinks. Bit of a foopah there Franko, wouldn’t you say?

  • Frankie Carroll

    “People in Dublin are more worried about house prices and job losses””

    yes thats true, when talking about people who *WORK* and *PAY TAXES*, i dont include the inhabitants of the likes of Darndale in my statement, maybe you do. It is the dregs of society that live in these places, and in the social housing in portadown and shankill road too that are usually seen burning cars, hijacking etc etc, you know the sort, the 12-15 year old fashion victims wearing cheap knock off gear. Sure i seen them on telly a month or so ago in belfast all out on the street rioting, petrol bomb burning vans etc etc, When i saw that i just wondered about responsible parenting, god if i went out and got drunk at 15 i would have got an almighty boot in the arse and a long grounding. Filth it seems breeds filth.

    The rioters in belfast reminded me of that rent-a-mob bunch of Neanderthals that they brought onto the streets of dublin against another bunch of Neanderthals the orange order, that showed dublin across the world stage in the same light as belfast.

    if we all solved our problems by rioting on the streets can you imagine what the country would be like, oh wait, i know a place where that happens, its like that shithole full of Neanderthals they call northern ireland.

    people say partition was the worst thing to do, personally i think partition was a shrewd move, they let the english keep the nutters !!!!!!

    so say and do what you like just keep your problems north of the border please.

  • Mr Carroll.

    Your quote:
    “The rioters in belfast reminded me of that rent-a-mob bunch of Neanderthals that they brought onto the streets of dublin against another bunch of Neanderthals the orange order, that showed dublin across the world stage in the same light as belfast.”

    Ferfuxake man most of the rioters that day were from Dublin, check out the addresses of those charged, dubliners. Not from the north. Ah the dublin smugness and arrogance, what a bunch of horrible, nasty creatures.

    You of one of those largish regional cities of the British isles. Go abroad and most people think Dublin is still part of Britian. They usually say Irish, Scottish , english, sure you’re all the same.

  • Also as someone said on here recently if the unionists in the north weren’t so bigoted and blinded by hatred of all things southern, they would realise that the dublin middle classes are their greatest allies. People like Mr Carroll, The Dubliner, Michael McDowell etc have a total aversion to all things northern. They have the same aims as the northern unionists, to keep the two states as far apart as possible. Whilst they don’t like the northern unionists, they fear them and are shit scared of causing them offence in case that they bring their brand of tribalism and sectarianism onto dublin’s streets. Now the nationalist community in the north are fair game for the dublin middle classes. The majority of the media structure in the south would conform to this attitude, Indpendent newspapers, the Irish times, RTE etc. To them, Gerry Adams and the Shinners are worse than Polpot, Hitler and Stalin rolled into one. Could someone explain this? The hatred of the shinners is just as vitriolic amongst dublin middle class types as any hardline loyalist in the north. I think a psychologist is needed, is it to do with blotting out and being ashamed of all the violence which happened in Ireland in the 1920s?
    So the unionists have nothing to worry they have a better ally with the dublin establishment middle classes than any London government.

  • Reader

    regional city: I think a psychologist is needed, is it to do with blotting out and being ashamed of all the violence which happened in Ireland in the 1920s?
    No it was the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. One lot was busy feeding the Centic Tiger, while the other lot was blowing up town centres. All parties claiming to be the best at being Irish.

  • The great dictator

    funny sinn fein objected to the wording of this memorial…………..

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6999827.stm

    yet they say you cant cheery pick any “incident” for memorial (Sinn Fein’s victims are classified as incidents, their own losses are individuals”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8224607.stm

    now im confused, what is SF position on memorials does anyone know ?

  • Mayoman

    “if i went out and got drunk at 15 i would have got an almighty boot in the arse and a long grounding.”

    Of course, Dublin’s middle-class parents know how to behave perfectly. Funny that line about ‘filth’ too, with the coked-up D4 set being the driving economic force behind Dublin’s drug boom. Still, as Frankie says, ‘filth breeds filth’.

    “The attitude seems to be to shoot to kill first. And it is the money from all the nice middle-class cocaine users in Dublin that drives this savagery.”
    from:

    http://irishabroad.com/news/irish-voice/spain/TheCocaineIsFlowing190707.aspx

    (one of the many links on middle-class Dubliners’ funding of drug lords)

  • Teh great builder of bridges

    I would like to say to all here, look at america in its recent past where blacks had to give up their seats on a bus to a white man, weren’t allowed to eat in resturants etc etc black vs white was riots and disorder

    now the us has a black president , so black + white = more than their sum.

    so whats the lesson for nothern ireland

    sorry for the bad spelling but its hard to type on a netbook on a bus while standing, ill finish this post as soon as i get one of these croppies to give me their seat brb

  • borderline

    so say and do what you like just keep your problems north of the border please.

    Posted by Frankie Carroll on Sep 19, 2009 @ 08:58 AM

    Thanks for that Frankie. One question.

    Did you read the tagline of this site – Notes on NI politics and culture – it’s at the top of the page.

    If you have read it, feel free to fuck off at any time.

  • Teh casual lettuce

    Borderline

    “Did you read the tagline of this site – Notes on NI politics and culture – it’s at the top of the page.

    If you have read it, feel free to fuck off at any time. ”

    its good to see you recognise the border, that we are two separate countries.

    is that why u are called borderline ?

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “The truth is, Britain as you know well, was always ready to ‘sell out’ ‘Ulstermen’,…”

    Kinda truth in that, ie …..the PSNI and British police now being sent to Libya to train the Libyan police force. This after Gadaffi supplying the IRA with arms to blow up RUC officers in Ulster. This after Libyan terrorists shot dead P.C. Yvonne Fletcher in England. Gadaffi once portrayed as the “enfant terrible”, public enemy number 1, evil incarnate, etc… is now a great bloke and friends of the UK. OIL and money says a lot and peoples lives are cheap when it all boils down.

    Yet Unionists never seem to understand or see the gross hypocrisy and contradictions of the British government throughout history.

    Why? ……….and will the penny ever drop too!

  • Reader

    Greagoir O Frainclin: Why? ……….and will the penny ever drop too!
    Hey – just so long as the oil and money keep coming this way too. ‘Us and Them’ will only get us so far.
    I see you have adapted your account name to the limitations of the Slugger software. Unfortunately, that means I have lost track of your fadas – sorry.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “Hey – just so long as the oil and money keep coming this way too. ‘Us and Them’ will only get us so far.”

    Oh, but what about principles…. and standards…. and morals…. and ethics etc… which the UK government espouses or well like to appear to espouse?

  • “The ones that were put up by Orangemen were taken down probably a week after the Twelfth. The flags she is talking about were obviously put up by a number of individuals.

  • It’s fine erecting statues to the dead but it’s the living that vote. Seems that Sinn Fein have something in common with Gordon Brown in prefering the non-voting heroic dead to the very much alive and complaining living.