Red Army Faction member arrested

The BBC are reporting that German police have arrested Verena Becker a former member of the Red Army Faction over the murder of Siegfried Buback chief West German prosecutor who was killed along with his driver and a police officer in 1977. Of course as I have said before murder files are rarely closed until many years after the case and as with so many recent cases this arrest seems related to DNA evidence. Hence, once again we see the folly of Eames Bradley trying to tell us that their proposed Legacy Commission will only have five years to try to find the evidence to get prosecutions and will be “taking into account the receding possibilities.” Clearly Eames Bradley place a lower value on human life than the German authorities. Then again we already knew the value they place on human life: a Ford Focus.

  • Long John Silver

    I am sorry Turgon, but I find your comment about Eames Bradley to be nothing more than silly. From your writing style on most of the posts you have made that I have read you abviously have intelligence, and I think should be above such stupid petty tabloidisations.

  • ed

    Wrong Turgon

    Eames Bradley are merely trying to place a greater emphasis on the future instead of wallowing in the past

    There is little correlation between what happened Germany and the 80 years of nIreland state terrorism

    Looking back in nIreland is where madness lie, you only wish to go back because that was when unionism an unionists were dominant and in your mind atleast moraly superior

  • David

    It was actually called the Red Army Fraction for some reason.

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    Rote Armee Fraktion…or the RAF…aka Baader Meinhoff gang.

    Aye, there was a movie made about them recently.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

    What a bunch of disillusionists!

  • fin

    Turgon, it cuts both ways, the government is reluctant to put police and soldiers in the dock for murder despite evidence, two examples, the recent mumbled apology for Aidan McAnespie and the weapons imported and handed to Brian Nelson to distribute, indeed there is a reluctance to go after Jimbos old organisation DUP/Ulster Risistance who are yet to disarm.

    So it has to be a level playing field, chase all terrorists or chase none.

    Alternatively a truth commission where both governments, the DUP, UUP, Sinn Fein and paramilitaries, Police and MoD admit to their parts.

  • barnshee

    So it has to be a level playing field, chase all terrorists or chase none.

    Alternatively a truth commission where both governments, the DUP, UUP, Sinn Fein and paramilitaries, Police and MoD admit to their parts.

    Excellent suggestion bring it on

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “Excellent suggestion bring it on”

    We all know the rengade IRA and their cohorts actions of the past, indescriminating bombings and murders etc…..but you being a Unionist, so ye wouldn’t be embarassed if the details of all the British governments very non democratic actions and dirty dealings in NI came to light. Collusion, supergrasses, shoot to kill, covert operations, internment, MI5, MI6, UVF etc…

    Gréagóir O Frainclín

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “Excellent suggestion bring it on”

    We all know the renegade IRA and their cohorts actions of the past; indiscriminate bombings and murders etc…..but you being a Unionist, so ye wouldn’t be embarassed if the details of all the British governments very non democratic actions and dirty dealings in NI came to light. Collusion, supergrasses, shoot to kill, covert operations, internment, MI5, MI6, UVF etc…

    Gréagóir O Frainclín

  • chris

    By the same token we all know about Bloody Sunday and Loughgall. Unionists haven’t seen a public inquiry into La Mon, a terrible mistake, if only those pesky Brits hadn’t stopped the car the warning would have been given. Or redress in Europe for Kingsmill, just who were the mysterious South Armagh Republican Action Force.

    No point having a Truth Commission when we’ll never get the truth.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    ed

    Actually, both the RAF and IRA had some similarities in the past. Aside from bank robberies (appropriation of funds from the capitalist class, as they might put it), both groups had a fondness for kidnapping industrialists. (As an aside, and I’d need to double check it, I think one of the later incarnations of the RAF named one of their units after a hunger striker.)

    The recent movie, the Baader Meinhof Komplex, is very good and was on BT Vision last time I checked. It caused huge outrage in Germany, but I didn’t think it glamorised the group. They looked more like misguided misfits.

    I’m actually surprised in the current harsh economic climate, with so much blame focused on the banks and capitalism, that there hasn’t been more extreme left-wing violence, although there has been a bit in Germany recently – some anarchists went on a BMW and Merc-burning exercise a few weeks ago. Hardly on the same scale as the 70s though.

  • Sean

    Chris

    Do you really think we know all about Bloody Sunday and Loughall?

    You sir are a minority then

  • Sean

    Gonzo

    Under those criteria the IRA had a lot in common with Butch and the Sundance Kid or the James Gang or even the ledgendary Robinhood

    Security word: who, you can’t make that stuff up

  • fin

    Chris, you pick 2 events Bloody Sunday and Loughgall, two events that the London government know the details off, in truth we know very little detail of these events, they are also a tiny percentage of the deaths in NI, Brian Nelson another government project resulted in 100’s of deaths.

    A truth commission will work if both governments go first, complete and uncensored release of all information relating to NI, that would cover over 50% of a commission, public pressure following the governments disclosure would force at least another 40% from the locals involved.

  • chris

    Sean,

    I’m not defending Bloody Sunday, I personally think it was an inexcusable collapse of discipline and people should have been punished. In terms of Loughgall, the military acted on intelligence recieved, and a civilian was unfortunately killed. Given what had happened at Ballygawley and the Birches arrest wasn’t an option. I doubt Jim and the lads would have given themselves up voluntarily.

    My point is that Bloody Sunday got an inquiry and Loughgall was addressed in Europe. When do Unionists get the truth about the actions of Republican Murder Gangs?

    I believe we won’t and for that sir, believe I am in a majority.

  • Sean

    Chris Bloody Sunday got a sham inquiry and then a second one with a sham result or have they published the full unredacted findings yet?

    As for unionism and the IRA if you can find a way to have a full public inquiry then you have my full support, lets see the truth from both sides

    Problem number one with having an inquiry into the IRA is you would first have to promise full immunity both criminal and civil before any one of any real interest would agree to participate. Are you prepared for that

  • chris

    Fin,

    Thirty years of public pressure didn’t deter the pig smuggler or Johnny Adair so I doubt calling for full disclosure would get us anywhere.

    So we are then in a position where the British government have disclosed everything they know, Sinn Fein having a field day and the bearded wonder declaring that he can’t speak for the IRA.

    Marvellous

  • chris

    Sean,

    I don’t think we are going to see may people convicted for the events of twenty or thirty years ago so I don’t have a problem with it but I still don’t see anyone getting the truth. Too many people on both sides don’t want their political careers or business interests ruined by public opinion.

  • Sean

    You are correct to a point but there are those that know the truth who have nothing to lose except their freedom and a few meagre possesions

    They are proud of their role in the war just not willing to suffer any more for it. They are your greatest hope for the truth

  • fin

    Chris, I still disagree, full disclosure by both governments would create a snowball effect, not least by the fact that their disclosure will connect with a lot of the events that others were involved in and so thousands of pandora’s boxes would already be open.

    I think the issue is a full truth commission will taint one communities view of the conflict and expose an awful lot of ‘decent law abiding citizens’ as something quite different.

    What one section of the community actually want want they talk ablut truth is for another section of the community to wear sackcloth and ashes, its the same old bigotry dressed up as nice people talking sense.

    A truth commission would be very similar to the GFA and powersharing, insofar as the amount of ‘giving’ will be greatly skewed to one side who until that point have managed to have the otherside constantly in the headlights and continously blamed, a truth commission would actually draw out the actions of this side which has been carefully kept in the shadows.

  • chris

    Sean,

    One thing I haven’t considered was the risk of retaliation, which could come from either side.

  • chris

    Fin,

    I can see the logic in what you’re saying and if one side bares all it would bring tremendous pressure both locally and internationally onto the other side.

    I agree that an opportunity to stick the boot in to the other side would be high on many peoples agenda.

    From my Unionist point of view, I don’t believe in some of the so called mistakes, call it bigotry but I believe some where blatently sectarianbut I’m open to be convinced otherwise.

    Unfortunately I don’t see how you can compel anyone to come forward to speak. How would you do it? Name them from the other sides intelligence?

  • Sean

    Chris

    No you could not compel any one not in the government to come forward and certainly telling the truth is always an option compelled or not

    But you will not impel any one to come forward if all they see is dnager or loss

    Thus it would have to offer complete civil and criminal immunity

  • Sean

    Somewhat disapointed that no one blogged about delusional willie, the freind of unionist terrorists, being refused a gun by the CC

  • fin

    Chris, Apols I never meant to imply that an opportunity to put the boot in was a motivator for taking part in a truth commission.

    What you think about certain/lots of actions are mirrored by nationalists.

    You cannot compel anyone to take part, however, as I believe that the knowledge of both governments, the MoD and RUC/PSNI would easily account for 50% of the unknown, the obvious response is for other s to come forward to fill in the blanks, otherwise the public can join the dots anyway.

    By information I mean governments and MoD and RUC publishing all of their intelligence, with names blanked if necessary.

    So, from a nationalist point of view, full disclosure from the government on incidents such as gun running for Ulster Resistant would leave the locals in a situation of telling their side of the story or allowing the public to fill in the blanks. Similarily the Irish government telling all in Haughey and gun running is 90% of the story.

    As a republican, I would welcome a truth commission, if as some claim senior republicans were/are agents I would like to know, but also there are many rumours within the nationalist community concerning collusion, which accounts for 100’s of death that nationalists deserve to be told if they are true or false.

    Finally,although it is unlikely that legal action could be taken against individuals, I think most people locally and internationally would expect any government will behave illegally to be taken to the Hague for trial.

  • west belfast

    I really dont know what turgon has against eames/bradley!!

    The chances of getting the vast majority of the killers (whether they be IRA/UDA/RUC/British Army)is tiny. If they couldnt convict anyone for Omagh how the hell will they convict people from the 70s and 80s. Its pure fantasy and we need to stop deceiving relatives into believing they will see any sort of justice for the deaths of their loved ones.

    Its an awful thing to have to say to the families but the truth is they paid the heaviest price for our societies collective failures and will now have to carry the heaviest burden as the same society moves on. Its a harsh reality.