Rasharkin Parade and aftermath

The band parade in Rasharkin passed off relatively peacefully itself along with a protest by several hundred protesters including Mr. Sean Murray from Belfast and a number of people from Coleraine. The BBC reports some golf balls being thrown at the marchers. After the parade was over, however, there seems to have been more trouble with the police and (yet again) Rasharkin Orange Hall the subject of attacks.

Ballymoney DUP councillor John Finlay, who had a window of his car smashed while visiting constituents in the area, condemned the violence.

“This attack demonstrates the motives of local republicans in the town who are engaging in sectarian acts of violence. The situation in Rasharkin is of grave concern as local Protestants are being threatened and forced out of their homes.

Instead of blaming loyalists Sinn Fein should focus on the problem at hand, and that problem exists within their own community. They just don’t want a Protestant about the place. Protestants in the area are fighting a ‘battle-a-day’. I call for leadership on behalf of Sinn Fein in seeing that such attacks against the Protestant community are brought to an immediate stop.”

North Antrim Sinn Féin MLA Daithí McKay had a somewhat different take on the situation:

“The Parades Commission are to blame for giving loyalists the space to create the conflict we saw in this village last night. It was an absolute disgrace that UDA and UVF bands, including bands from Coleraine who had members arrested for the murder of Kevin McDaid, were allowed to march through this village.
This is a sectarian coat-trailing parade and has caused trouble and conflict in this village for many years now. If the Parades Commission cannot see the problems it created here by allowing hundreds of loyalists to come into a nationalist village then they need their heads examined.
This parade has served only to heighten tensions in the area even further. The fact that the DUP continues to defend the right of loyalist paramilitaries to march through Catholic areas just goes to show that they have yet to sever all their links with these paramilitary organisations.”

  • highlander

    sorry i posted that last comment, i must have put your name in by mistake, could someone modify that and apologies Hard Hat

  • It’s not funny

    I;m more interested about the panic in republican hq. Daithi Mckay now has 3 pictures of litter (prod litter obviously) and a video of a wall. Really.

  • Glen

    Firstly, I live in a 100% Protestant, Unionist area, which is of course my perception as I dont knock on peoples doors to ask their religion the way they must do in Rasharkin. My house faces a park with a council owned football pitch. At least four times a year there are teams from nationalist areas that arrive to play a local team and who wear Celtic kits. Now I have three choices, I can go and protest, blow a whisle, sound an air horn or throw petrol bombs at the sight of a Catholic comming into my neighbourhood, I can close my blinds and ignore it or if im doing nothing else I can walk 50 yards and stand on the touchline and watch it for free. I often do the latter and try not to be offended when someone lets slip with a sectarian expletive after recieving a heavy tackle. I dont expect the away team to change their strip to come to my area, nor do I get upset when some of their players give local residents rude hand gestures while speeding away in their car after the match.
    Now to Rasharkin. The parade was a competition parade, judged by an independant judge who travelled from East Belfast. The band has attended parades all over Ulster competing in parades and if you like, this was their home match. For band members this is their preferred hobby and while some people like to go dancing at the weekend, bandsmen like to go marching. On the same night there was a parade in Bangor, Ballyclare and Killylea Co.Armagh, so close to 200 bands would have been competing on Friday night.
    Nationalists have tried very hard to stop this parade purely because they cant stand the sight of a protestant. They have and still are on this forum, telling lies and fabricating stories to take the bad look away from a pear shaped protest which did not stick to any guidelines as set out on the parades commission determination. The protest should not have been allowed from the outset as the organiser abdicated all responsibility by refusing to put their name on the 11/13 form submitted to the police.The protestors shouted sectarian insults, death threats threw missiles including a petrol bomb and liquid which I am unsure of its make up.
    The protest was told to be static, but Mr McKay is part of the residents group who organised the protest, walked across the road close to bands several times.
    To back up their lies, they placed rubbish on the road and videoed it, and took pictures of a home were new pillars are being built to say that the big bad bandsmen made a mess. They also had a video confiscated by the police for videoing children from a bedroom window.
    Portaloos were placed at the host bands expense at the bottom of the town and marshalls showed bandsmen to the public toilets at the other end of the town so no-one, as the accusations suggest, were urinating in public.
    The bandsmens behavior, under constant antagonism and provocations was superb and when anyone in the parade even though about engaging with the agressors, they were immediately ushered on by marshalls.
    The host band should be delighted with how the parade went under the circumstances and Mr McKay should be very worried. The video footage and stills will eventually come out to PROVE that the petrol bomb and other missiles were thrown by nationalists, that death threats were shouted at bandsmen and that protestors travelled from Ballymena, Coleraine, Belfast and even Strabane so they could be offended by people taking part in a summer hobby they take part in most weekends.I would also like to suggest that republican protestors stop going on about loyalist paramilitary emblems. There were none, but Sinn Fein did have men in Balaclavas and republican bands holding replica (were told) AK47’s in Galbally last weekend. Can I also point out that those of you quick to point out that Coleraine bands should not have walked because a member has been accused of being present when Mr McDade died of a heart attack in coleraine. Bands cannot be responsible for their members when they are not out with the band. Will Bryansford GAA team stop playing matches because they have alleged rapists in their team?
    By the way, for anyone interested, Dunloy Accordion won the best band on parade award.
    Finally, for Mr McKay, do what I do on a Saturday. Go and watch it without causing trouble and without taking offence and perhaps bring Rasharkins republican band with you to get some tips as they arent up to much, in fact they are quite a shambles. Maybe this entire thing is down to jealousy.

  • It’s not funny

    Daithi likes to study walls on Saturdays. He has a massive video collection. However he has a rare complaint that prevents him from seeing petrol bombs.

  • It’s not funny

    Daithi seems to have forgotten about the petrol bomb completely. Mabye he could ask his new bezzy mate Smley about it.

  • Glen says ” when Mr McDade died of a heart attack in coleraine.”

    Maybe if loyalists/bandsmen/cowards hadn’t been kicking the living daylights out of him he wouldn’t have had a heart attack? Can I borrow those orange tinted glasses some time? Life must be so fucking wonderful.

    Idiotic statement of the year.

  • USA

    This parade should never have taken place.
    I do not believe for one second that the people of Rasharkin hate protestants as claimed several times on this thread.
    The bands / OO should march around some football stadiums and charge followers $2 each at the turnstiles for admission. This would be their fundraiser for instruments, costumes etc.

    There is no need what so ever to march in areas where they are not wanted, it raises tensions and creates division between the communities. The racist activities and attitudes of both sides grow in this type of hostile environment, the parades commission should have been aware of this.
    The OO and these bands are part of the problem. The parades commission failded the community.

    As for ‘bussing’ people in. Is the irony lost on people that these bands came from Coleraine, Carrickfergus, East Belfast etc and bandsmen (bottom feeders) most likely arrived by bus.

  • Big Maggie

    USA,

    Thank you for the most constructive post on this cringe-making and shameful thread. I asked earlier if something could actually be done about this childish aggression instead of denying it.

    Your suggestion isn’t new but I suppose you’re aware of that. Nevertheless it makes perfect sense and SHOULD keep all sides happy. Bandsmen can strut their stuff in an optimal environment, and show off new moves in a genuine spirit of competition as opposed to a spirit of coat-trailing.

    A stadium, modelled as it is on the classical open-air theatre, is ideal for focusing the audience’s attention on the “players” without unnecessary distractions.

    The distractions in this case being noisy protesters, missiles and riot police.

    Perhaps a leaf could be taken from the Edinburgh Tattoo. There’s a class act for you—and no, this tattoo has nothing to do with spide skin mutilation. Is Ulster up for it? It can be done if the will is there. Why should Scotland have all the glory and Ulster the ignominy?

    Or would we rather perpetuate the tribal hatred shown each year? This thread is a good indication of how deep (and wide) this hatred runs. Having glanced at some of the bile spouted here I could only conclude that if the spouters had been arguing in a pub instead of on a blog then blood would have been spilt many times over.

    Shame on the lot of you. Well, most of you anyway. USA, again good suggestion. I fear it’s too sensible though. The boys prefer to listen to their inner Cro-Magnon each year. It’s how they preserve their “identity”.

    But if enough sensible voices are raised there’s always hope.

  • Posted by chekov on Aug 23, 2009 @ 12:22 PM

    Hmm. Well I guess I haven’t trademarked the name!

  • danielmoran

    jamesy msg 16. ‘when will they accept someone else’s culture apart from their own’

    For the bigots among the ranks of the oo the last thing they want is for the catholics to respect their culture. they want them to hate it, but have their sectarian hatefests imposed on them anyway as in the old ruc days when they had 90% police force on their side. these orangemen have nothing but contempt for catholics who support and attend their marches. where woiould the fun be if there was no antagonism. the orders would die out as the bigots deserted them in the thousands.

  • Realist

    “these orangemen”

    Was the band parade in Rasharkin organised by the OO?

  • Tim

    “Nationalists have tried very hard to stop this parade purely because they cant stand the sight of a protestant.”

    Glen

    Or perhaps the situation was further agrivated by the loyalist paramilitary bands and their association with the UDA murder of Kevin McDaid !

    The Parades Commision should hang their heads in shame over this decision. Its not like this parade has not been associated with paramilitary bands and their supporters in the past.

  • Mayoman

    Big Maggie: I had really appreciated your witty posts on here, but was unaware you were a bigot like the worst of either the loyalist or republican sides. Obviously, as a man, and by association, I am at fault for all the ills of the world, much as republicans/loyalists blame loyalists/republicans. But hey, its easy to get people wrong. I’m sure you too are aware of people who at first you think are reaonable, only for them to turn out to hold bigoted views based on irrational stereotyping.

    Violence and gender, as with everything else, is a complex matter. If your closed mind can take it, an alternative view on the faultlessness of women (and for the record, I simply believe there are good/bad women and good/bad men)can be found here. http://www.family-men.com/dv.htm

    This is especially interesting

    “When statistics for all family violence victims are examined, it emerges that women, primarily mothers, perpetrate by far the largest share of incidents of violence in the family. Women commit a good two-thirds of all violence against children — and the majority of child murders — in families.”

    Mothers educating sons to be violent maybe? Same expression of violence, but in a different setting maybe?

    Sorry to sidetrack the thread, but resorting to bigotry to sort out a bigotry-based problem seems a bit crazy to me.

  • danielmoran

    jamesy… msg 16 ‘when will they accept someone else’s culture apart from their own’

    it is exactly the respect for unionist/protestant culture by nationalists that the bigots marching in orange do NOT want. what they want is nationalists to object to their sectarian hatefests but have them imposed on them anyway, just like in the good old ruc days when they had the 90% police force on their side. these bigots have nothing but contempt for catholics who turn up to watch their coat trailing exercises.
    where would they get their kicks out of joining up if they thought it was tolerated by the locals in garvaghy rd. etc. the whole point of orange marches is pure spite and hatred. if that element wasn’t there, they would pack up and go home.

  • Big Maggie

    Mayoman,

    Nice try but I don’t believe a word of it. You only have to open your weekend or Monday paper to see who’s doing the battering. Or visit a court sitting every once in a while. Are you planning on opening a Men’s Refuge Centre?

    Stop denying the bleeding obvious. Men, especially young men, are responsible for the greater proportion of the violence in the world. It was ever thus. Deal with it.

  • Mayoman

    Thanks for confirming the bigotry BM, you didn’t even bother to read did you? Frightened your earth might melt?

    The obvious is there to be denied by the blindest who won’t see. Bear in mind, I’m not arguing men vs women here. Thats you. I accept the role of men/people in violence in society, but the role of women/people in fostering/perpetrating that violence is obvious too. I gave you research to show that women perpretate a large proportion of societal violence, especially against children (and this violence is bound to influence other aspects of society). Maybe you are selctively reading the papers? Recent cases, such as the baby P, Victoria Climbie case, highlighted the role women play in child abuse. I have also heard of a book, “A Child Called “it””, that details the appalling abuse of a son by his mother. It happens BM, it happens a lot. “Deal with it”. I am not the bigot here.

    On the court note? I could go along to see how jutries have the unenviable job of coming to a decision when a rape case comes before them and because of the callousness of a certain set of women (not all women, I stress, not even a mojority, or a sizeable minority)the man before them has a 50/50 chance of being innocent/guilty before a word of evidence is heard (Research Shows False Accusations of Rape Common: “However, research shows that false allegations of rape are frighteningly common.

    According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.” http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/?page_id=1334 ).

    A bad choice of example by you BM? Or do you think the effects of being falsely accused of rape are totally benign (and, just for the record, I’d love to see every piece of scum who commits a rape locked up for life)?

    No gender has a monopoly on evil BM, I am so disappointed that a seemingly intelligent and reasonable person is so blinded by bigotry they can’t see this.

    I hate to be seen as hijacking a thread. but as the point is essentially about mutual respect, I suppose this goes for educating all bigots, regardless of whether their issues are with race, religion or gender.

  • Glen

    Yes, I did say that Mr. McDade died of a heart attack as that is a fact. If people were responsible for murder or man slaughter or assault, then I will happily state that when they are convicted by a jury of their peers.
    Bands will never parade in stadia as suggested. They are community based, non profit organisation who could not afford the hire of stadia to start with and who parade in towns so the residents of the towns can come and enjoy the spectacle and music. Should Rasharkin residents who want to watch this not be afforded the same opportunities as the people in Bangor, Killylea or Ballyclare because some of their neighbours are bigots.
    Also, I cannot believe the amount of rubbish the shinners and residents group write about the bands taking part. They complain about sectarian tunes, but can McKay come on here and explain to me why he calls these tunes sectarian. There are suggestions of Paramilitary emblems, which are of course replica battle honours of people who died on the Somme for our freedom. Just because Sinn Fein like to conveniently forget about the brave Irish people who did the same.
    Also, how rich it is for “residents” to complain about bands who have a member who is remanded in custody and who was not on parade and who possibly is no longer a member of the band. How many convicted terrorists were with the residents. How many bomb makers, murderers, armed robbers, drug dealers and general thugs.

  • Big Maggie

    Mayoman,

    You’re right of course, silly old me. The Rasharkin disturbances (the subject of this thread) were caused by Ulster women and girls belonging to marching bands, who paraded in short skirts through the village playing accordions and harmonicas.

    They were met with protests organized by the Nationalist women of the village. The media reported that scores of women hurled abuse at the marching bandswomen, along with missiles.

    Female friends of the bandswomen, including several WI members, were bused in to support them, and the resulting disturbances could only be contained by a cohort of female PSNI officers, handpicked for their hand-to-hand fighting skills and riot control expertise.

    Hope that clears it up.

  • Glen

    Big Maggie, your not too far wrong. there were pleanty of women and girls in the bands and it tended to be the women protestors who managed to hurl the worst insults at the parade. While the men generally shouted “Orange Bastards” and “scum”, the women would often add fat or ugly. One women protestor went way above her call of duty by suggesting a bandswoman was disabled and that she hoped she would die a horrible death and then burn in hell.
    I have to say, I was surprised at the amount of policewomen in the tactical support groups and a big well done to them for choosing that career path as sometimes a womans touch can calm a situation more quickly than a 6ft man wearing a balaclava with his baton ready to strike.

  • Jamesy

    Well said Glen. The attempt by Republican elements to accuse loyalists of creating trouble and portraying them falsely as anti-social, shows how bitter and twisted these people really are. They are nothing but utter scum, who should be locked up in a mental asylum, as they offer nothing good to society. Lowlife good for nothing Republican schemers.

    Loyalists must show dignity when being antagonised by these low-life scumbags. Eventually the truth comes out and only then will the wider Republican community understand how bitter and intolerant some Republicans are.

    Patience brethren, Rome wasn’t built in a day.

  • nuttal

    The 2001 census (as quoted by wikipedia) gives Rasharkin as 26.0% protestant background population.

    When does a village/town/community become “overwhelmingly” nationalist?

    At what percentage level do contributors feel it is acceptable for protestants to parade freely in a town?

    How many protestants are needed in an enclave/community/street/town before it is acceptable for them to hold a march?

  • Tim

    “There are suggestions of Paramilitary emblems, which are of course replica battle honours of people who died on the Somme for our freedom”

    Did Geoffrey Freeman die at the Somme?

    http://www.fmfb.co.uk/

  • Jamesy

    [i]How many protestants are needed in an enclave/community/street/town before it is acceptable for them to hold a march? [/i]

    That would make the job too easy for Republican bigots………

    “Only one more prod to hunt out and we’ve stopped them parading, tiocfaidh ár lá “

  • Mayoman

    BM: glad you can see the idiocy of bringing gender into the debate. Can we agree that it was a stupid idea to bring it up, and get on with the proper topic?

  • Big Maggie

    Mayoman,

    No, there’s this rather large grey creature with tusks and a trunk that keeps drawing attention to itself. Didn’t you notice it?

  • John

    Would that be Rome, that den of iniquity, you’re referring to there, Jamesy?

    Unusual saying to use, no?

  • Glen

    Did Geoffrey Freeman die at the Somme?

    No Tim he did not. He died when the bomb he was carrying exploded prematurely. His friends decided to form a band in his memory. Because they have a bannerette with his name on it does not mean the band has broken any law regarding paramilitary emblems.
    I called my daughter Victoria after Queen victoria, but I have no connections to the royal family, yet i am pro-royalist. I called my son Charles, yet have no jacobite tendencies.
    What you are trying to say that if a band is named after someone then everyone in that band should automatically be the same. Its just not the case. In my own band I have people who have left wing socialist views, some who are not from the protestant faith and some who vote for the Green Party because they are obsessed with global warming. The biggest thing we have in common is that we have chosen being in bands as our main hobby.
    Were all the people who voted for Sinn Fein terrorists, or is it only their elected representatives?

  • michael

    “No, there’s this rather large grey creature with tusks and a trunk ”

    Is it Thatcher?

  • Mayoman

    Oh I wouldn’t describe yourself in such negative terms, BM! 😉

    On topic, yeah, its the right of people to assemble/not assemble, given proper regard to the cultural and social rights of all. That topic is gender-free.

    Unfortunately, BM, one person’s view does not an elephant make. I’m back to the substantive issue, I’m afraid, before I break the “don’t argue with a closed mind” rule

    I look forward to your posts on other topics, I do like your wit, even if it comes with feminist-tinted hubble telescopes!

  • Big Maggie

    Mayoman,

    “Unfortunately, BM, one person’s view does not an elephant make.”

    God, you’re not still at it are you? You’re in denial, man.

    No number of self-serving lies, damned lies statistics can distract from the big picture. And that is that men are far and away more violent than women. This is one of the reasons why prisons are largely occupied by men.

    Did I mention warfare? Oh yes I did. Another bitter truth. Which is why some gentleman or other had to invent the Amazons, those mythical female warriors. No doubt he couldn’t come to terms with the bellicosity of his sex.

    Everywhere you look, men are at the root of society’s woes. OrangeMEN, BlackMEN and Apprentice BOYS being the two groups of troublemakers who spring most readily to mind within an Ulster context. Not that we don’t have men who think with their brains instead of their fists. Of course we do but their rationality is generally lost in the hubbub generated by their less evolved brethren, those who haven’t learned to turn the other cheek, those who can’t let an “insult” go unpunished.

    And those who must always be right. This thread is a shining example of that. Which is why this is my very last comment to it. I’ll let you boys scrap it out among yourselves. Next year no doubt you’ll be returning with the self-same, self-defeating arguments.

  • Big Maggie

    two groups of troublemakers=three groups of troublemakers

  • oldruss

    This topic has generated five plus pages of discussion, most of which is on topic. It would be this Yank’s observation that this band competition in Rasharkin creates, rightly or wrongly, significant discord in the local area; as do other parades by the Orange Orders, and Apprentice Boys.

    Could it be possible for the bands and residents to work together to find some accomodation which can be accepted by all sides? The suggestion for holding the band competition at a stadium, or possibly in a large park or field, seems reasonable. I’d suggested holding the band competition in a larger city where it would possibly be less intrusive.

    Should the Ballymaconnelly band have a right to march through Rashkarin? Should any organization have the right to tie up the public highway for it’s own private use? The public’s right to use the public highway needs to be balanced against this tradition, which is very important to a large portion of the community.

    These issues are not, of course, being sorted out in a vaccuum, but are part and parcel of the divisions and conflict which have embroiled the north for so long. The Parades Commission’s decision to sanction this particular band competion in Rasharkin may have been justified, but at what point do all sides take a step or two back, and find less confrontational ways in which to express their respective cultures?

  • Mayoman

    Oh no, goaded into one more reply! After de-bunking both the violence and ‘courts’ myths peddled by BM, I now feel forced to de-bunk the ‘war’ myth.

    Indira Gandhi – declared war on Pakistan 1971

    Golda Meir – Yom Kippur war

    Margaret Thatcher – Malvinas

    Sirimavo Bandaranaike – abuse of power and civil war in Sri Lanka

    Isabel Peron – political violence and economic instability in Argentina

    Chandrika Kumaratunga – leader amid continuing civil war in Sri Lanka

    Etc, etc, etc………

    Of course, BM will refer to this as mere statistics. Evidence, as if it were needed, of who is really in denial.

  • borderline

    Big Maggie,

    here’s the deal.

    We’ll stop fighting when ye stop rewarding the winners of the fight.

    We’ll stop competing when ye stop stop showering the victors with the love.

    I genuinely look forward to it.

    Because then idiot boy racers will stop doing wheelspins outside my house and idiot airhead girls will stop being impressed by them.

  • weespot

    Wheres daithi,his input has been missed,lying low as the truth hurts i guess.

  • Hard hat

    Would it be possible to regulate public assembly without promoting some sort of sectarian headcount? Where would the line be drawn on who decides if a parade may be public, or in a stadium. For example, if greater Belfast is 55% Protestant/Unionist, should St Patrick’s Day parades be forced away from the “Main Street”?
    Frankly, and this gets personal, I think these arguments will continue ad infinitum until someone has a good think about how demonisation and the irrational mentality it generates, thrives in NI. Children are often at least 16 years old before they interact meaningfully with someone from a different tradition. Is it any wonder they are easily tram-lined into the same fears, suspicions and rituals as their predecessors?? They hate you, you hate them. Simple, eh? The sooner we start raising generations that understand and can accept differences rather than fearing them, the sooner these arguments will become irrelevant. But there you go – yet another tangent – this time about our still-segregated education system.

  • Frank

    ‘Because they have a bannerette with his name on it does not mean the band has broken any law regarding paramilitary emblems.’

    Glen

    They also commemorate the other UVF terrorists who blew themselves up – Swanson, Reid & Dodds (Or as the Freeman memorial Band describe them – Lt. Swanson, Sgt. Freeman, Vol. Dodds & Vol. Reid died on active service for the Ulster Volunteer Force)

    Of course, they can commemorate and glorify whatever terrorists they like, but its not unreasonable to presume that the thousands who suffered at the hands of the UVF would not want these people marching past their homes or disrupting their lives.

    And I can’t imagine that the residents of Windyhill in Coleraine would be welcoming of an IRA band through their streets

  • A band present in Rasharkin on Friday night. Straight from their bebo page.

    Any parade supporter care to explain?

    Dervock Young Defenders was formed in 1977 in the loyalist village of Dervock in Co.Antrim Ulster. Dervock are currently one of the top blood and thunder bands in the country marching all over Ulster in many loyalist towns and villages going to parades as far away as Belfast, Castlederg and Londonderry.

    For many years now Dervock has supported the Ulster Defence Association regulary taking part in parades and functions through Ulster to support the organision on our uniforms we proudly were the clinched fist and laural leafs the badge of the Ulster Freedom Fighters the military wing of the U.D.A. This year is the bands 32nd year on the roads and the band is still goin as strong as ever.

  • Dervock Young Defenders and Dunloy Fallen Comrades – both seem to have a significant female membership.

  • david

    the reason why rasharkin has so little protestant people in it, is because they are being forced out by constant attacks on there homes. If a band is from the estate/village, then they have a right to march no matter what. Republicans exploited the rules while protesting by throwing golf balls, petrol bombs, bricks, bottles aimed at the bands. Then use have the cheek to blame it on protestants who were marching. Aye sure why not, lets all petrol bomb our own bands. Use are full of crap.

    West bank, londonderry and Rasharkin still under seige.

    No Surrender!!!

  • Nevin,

    A disappointing response from someone who usually has alot to say on North Antrim matters.

    The thread is related to a parade in Rasharkin. DunloyFCRFB did not partake in the parade. Dervock YD did.

    Does the intro to the bebo page of Dervock YD suggest they would be suitable for a parade through a Largly Nationalist village like Rasharkin?

    Would it be reasonable to expect a determined rejection from the residents of Rasharkin given Dervock is in essence, marching all over Ulster in support of the UDA?

  • Brian MacAodh

    Big maggie-what about the mothers of those cro-magnons? Surely they were not contributing to the narrow, rascist mindset that causes people to spend their free time marching around or throwing bricks at police officers.

    Look up some studies on women prisons-the level of violence (if not severity of violence), is slightly higher then in mens prisons.

    But back to this shite parade through this shite town. This is why I will never go back to NI. What a fucking waste of humanity. It is so full of negative people and negative feelings that you can almost feel it in certain areas.

    There are 2 main reasons why the same old shite repeats itself over and over.

    1.) Each side will never really consider a common sense solution to problems like these. Doing so would seem like a surrender in their minds-and in no matter the cost surrendering is not an option. In this case, the 41 (41!!!!) bands wouldn’t think of holding their little pathetic parade in a stadium or local sports field. They have to show their dominance by marching through a tiny town of 900 people. As for the catholics, they couldn’t just ignore the provocative marches. They have to go out and protest in a manner that basically ensures some youth will feel the need to emphasis the towns disdain with bottles or other projectiles. Attempting to ignore the parade would be like admitting to their inferior status.

    Both sides, no matter what, do not want to give the other any reason to say “haha look at that, they gave in to us”

    2.) A good percentage of lowlifes actually like these riotous events. Yes, plenty of people do. It adds some excitement into their lives, and gives some a feeling of status that they would never be able to achieve through their own legitimate achievements. (take drug dealing, alcoholics who go around murdering catholic cab drivers or pedestrians and then styles themselves as “Generals” who are “defending” their homeland with a citizen “army” as one example)

    The people who also benefit are the DUP and SF. The more polarized and sectarian people, the more likely they are to vote for parties like this. They have nothing more to offer than holding the line against the other “side”. They are pretty pathetic even for politicians

    Enough of this rant, I’m going to watch football.

  • Tim

    “For many years now Dervock has supported the Ulster Defence Association regulary taking part in parades and functions through Ulster to support the organision on our uniforms we proudly were the clinched fist and laural leafs the badge of the Ulster Freedom Fighters the military wing of the U.D.A. This year is the bands 32nd year on the roads and the band is still goin as strong as ever.”

    No doubt the parades commission took this into consideration when allowing this band to march through Rasharkin !!

    Its like allowing the KKK through the Bronx, but insisting they can’t wear their white hoods.

  • Jamesy

    A bebo page on Dervock band does not mean its the official band page.

    When will Republicans stop spreading shit and grow up? Children!

  • Jamesy,
    Your point would be valid were it not for the fact that Dervock Young Defenders do indeed sport the clinched fist and laural leaf on their uniforms. The insigna of the UFF.

    A spade is indeed a spade in this case.

    Still nothing of sound argument from those who support this coat trailing in a largly Nationalist village.

  • Glen

    So would the protestors be happy with 41 bands that didnt have a kids networking page saying they support a loyalist organisation or a badge that could be considered as supporting a paramilitary group?

  • Glen,
    I think they would be happy, like most people, if they could live free from this hassle.

    Parade supporters on this site seem content to rubbish evidence of paramilitary displays/support/involvement when evidence is put before them.
    Still no mature response from Loyalists here in relation to same.

  • Guest

    Guest,

    “The reason is very simple.Women have not been educated enough to be in positions of power. “

    Get a grip. How much education does it take to build bonfire, to kick a man to death, to rob OAPs, to march where you’re not wanted, to throw petrol bombs, to attack the police, etc.

    Remind me please which sex is responsible for all the crap we’ve seen on our streets this summer alone, not to mention the carnage on our roads.

    Like I said, don’t deny it, change it. -big Maggie;

    I think it is the political leaders who must answer for letting this happen, and not just those who do the “mayhem’.Political leaders are 75 percent male because traditionally they have had more education than women for various reasons, some of them indeed sexist but a lot of them plainly natural.By the way,should we deduce from your logic that men with energy and muscles are to be blamed and not just men at all.Feminist bullshit

  • Glen

    “I think they would be happy, like most people, if they could live free from this hassle.”

    It’s one night. Do all the people who live on the route of the NW200 like motorbikes? No.
    Are they prepared to not being able to have access to their homes so people can spend a couple of days having fun? Yes.
    Do they shout death threats and throw petrol bombs at the racers because they are upset? No.

    The sooner republicans stop all this protest nonsense and let people, with whom they may disagree with religiosly and politically, have two hours enjoying their hobby, then the sooner Rasharkin will not be being talked about in here.
    The Cafe owner in Rasharkin, who is a Shinner although he doesnt publicise it, says he has to close for the parade and loses trade. Now two weeks before the Rasharkin parade, the ABOD paraded in Derry. A chippy, called Brendans on Spencer Road could have said the same thing and complained. What he actually did was open his doors and probably had the best days takings he will have this year. They were queued out the door.
    The cafe owner in Rasharkin should do likewise and perhaps if the protestors werent there, the local shop would get a turn.
    As for the bands with what you term paramilitary displays, all I would ask is you prove it.I was there all night and i did not see anything that could even be construed as such. Not one.
    My local band is called after someone who died as a result of an accident persuing the hobby he loved. Guess what? none of the other band members persue that hobby.

  • Glen

    Old Russ
    “This topic has generated five plus pages of discussion, most of which is on topic. It would be this Yank’s observation that this band competition in Rasharkin creates, rightly or wrongly, significant discord in the local area; as do other parades by the Orange Orders, and Apprentice Boys.”

    Parades cause discord because Sinn Fein set up residents groups to do exactly that. There are thousands of parades in Ireland every year, one of the biggest being in the County Donegal village of Rossnowlagh. This village certainly has no Unionist or Protestant majority as the protestant population in ROI is around 2%. Yet it takes 4 policemen to do traffic at this parade because the people in Donegal are tolerant enough to let a minority population celebrate their traditions, not to mention the boost to their local economy.
    The same thing happened in Rasharkin for twenty odd years until Sinn Fein organised a protest through a residents group they formed.

    “Could it be possible for the bands and residents to work together to find some accomodation which can be accepted by all sides? The suggestion for holding the band competition at a stadium, or possibly in a large park or field, seems reasonable. I’d suggested holding the band competition in a larger city where it would possibly be less intrusive”

    The plain answer is NO! Would you be upset if, maybe a troops homecomming parade or a college band was to tie up your road for two hours.Or would you just sit in your garden and watch it. Would you be happy if the area which you lived all your life became the home of a large muslim community and they forced the towns 4th July parade to be cancelled or moved to a park or stadia.

    “Should the Ballymaconnelly band have a right to march through Rashkarin? Should any organization have the right to tie up the public highway for it’s own private use? The public’s right to use the public highway needs to be balanced against this tradition, which is very important to a large portion of the community”

    The answer to that question is simple.Ballymaconnolly have organised one parade in the last year. The local republican band, which wears combat fatigue and supports the IRA have also organised one, yet there was only one which was protested at. If the protestants in Rasharkin have to suffer people playing instruments wearing paramilitary clothing, whom I may add are musically atrocious, then the national residents should be tolerant enough to let Ballymaconnolly have their two hours.

  • Guest

    Glen, you are spot-on.There is no logic in being anti-parade.This is all part of the bigger argument.The Irish question looms large and no other logic will be allowed to prevail until that it is resolved.Unfortunately, the situation cannot yet be argued resolved since the DUP, the representatives of the unionism, still haven’t followed through on what they agreed in ST.Andrews’.

  • Frank

    ‘they support a loyalist organisation or a badge that could be considered as supporting a paramilitary group?’

    Glen

    http://www.bebo.com/PhotoAlbumBig.jsp?PageNbr=1&MemberId=3109597868&PhotoAlbumId=3109611014&PhotoId=11465380173

    Looks like a band that is quite comfortable with the UDA !

    ‘The sooner republicans stop all this protest nonsense and let people, with whom they may disagree with religiosly and politically, have two hours enjoying their hobby, then the sooner Rasharkin will not be being talked about in here.’

    I still have not heard any Nationalist concerns raised about the type of bands/emblems/associations etc.. taking part in the upcoming Brian Robinson parade on the Shankill Road in early September.

    The Freeman memorial band & those from ‘that side’ of loyalism are free to march up and down roads where they are welcome all year round as far as i’m concerned.

    They are obviously not welcome within Nationalist communities as many people were killed, maimed and hurt by the actions of loyalist paramilitaries.

    Its not rocket science!

  • Glen

    Again, I ask would the protestors be happy with bands that can in no way be linked to any paramilitary group walking through Rasharkin?
    Also, with the logic you use, should the Sons of Ireland be stopped walking in Rasharkin, as they parade in paramilitary clothing and are linked to the provisional movement, or should the 20% protestant population have less rights than the 80%. Is this simply a numbers game?

  • Glen

    For our American friends, here is a link to the sons of Ireland from Rasharkin , combat fatigue and all.
    http://www.youtube.com/soi1969

    Here is the Ballymaconnoly band

    Please tell me which one you would prefer walking through your village.

  • oldruss

    Glen,

    There’s no compromise, is there? I don’t live in Rasharkin, not even close. But I can get news from over there on the Internet.

    If one sets aside all nationalist vs. unionist vs. republican vs. loyalists side taking, it just does not seem reasonable that 41 bands would march through a village of 900 or so, and expect to do so without causing a serious disruption to those who live there.

    As with the bonfires discussed on another thread, perhaps the parades, on both sides, need to be dialed back a notch or two. Give everyone a little breathing space.

    Even the circus gets old after awhile, and I really don’t want the elephants parading down my street, especially if I’m going to have to clean up after them. Would I go and see the circus if it were set up in a field outside of town? Sure! But that would be my choice to go or not to go. If the elephants tramp past my house or through the middle of town on an otherwise busy Saturday morning interrupting me in getting my errands run, well, that’s an entirely different matter.

  • Glen

    Oldruss,
    I dont really understand your comparison with elephants, but I know you are trying to suggest that the parade stays out of town because of disruption. There really isnt a venue locally that could cater for the parade as its all more or less farm land which would cause all sorts of health and safety concerns, never mind the expense the band would have to go to with lighting etc.
    I was in the town for an hour the night before the parade. Five cars passed me and there were two men chatting on the main street facing the shop so I cant understand why so much disruption would be caused. Surely if it was taken to a larger town, then more disruption would be caused.
    Again its only two hours out of the 8760 hours available in the year. 0.02% of the hours available to that town in a year and as republicans like to use statistics the even surely they must agree that itsnt an awful lot of time for them to use the Main Street for.
    Im intreseted to hear your views on the two bands who’s links I have posted and your thoughts on them, from a Yanks perspective.

  • oldruss

    Glen,
    Sorry but my computer is quite old, and I am unable to DL the links, and so can’t give you my opinion on the two groups. I think my post above, however, pretty much said all that I can say. Both sides need to dial it back a notch or two.

    The elephant symbolism was a muddled reference to the saying, “the elephant in the room”…parades, bonfires, and paramilitary re-enactments are all “elephants” in the room, which no one seems to want to reasonably discuss.

  • john

    what hope is there for sinn fien,s prize of a united ireland when they cannot tolerate a loyalist march in a fully constitued northern ireland, do they think they can bully unionist into a united ireland wise up anybody wanting a united irland should not be voting sinn fien they are a disgrace to what they are trying to acheive.i will continue to support the sdlp in which doing maybe someday unionists will want to become united with the southern state