“let’s stop the discussion about whether Hillary will or won’t be..”

According to Máirtín’s latest

“In the meantime, let’s stop the discussion about whether Hillary will or won’t be the peace/political envoy here and get on with the business of delivering on the campaign promise of an envoy appointment and delivery of the added promise of a business envoy..”

Well, let’s stop pretending that the US Secretary of State will be anything other than the US Secretary of State. But whose “campaign promise” does Máirtín mean? Hillary’s? She lost that particular race, remember? Barack Obama, on the other hand, appears to have decided the outcome of his promised review of the political envoy post. Perhaps Máirtín, and the Belfast Telegraph’s Jim Dee in Boston, should ask Obama’s “Dream Team” to explain it to them?As I said previously

The key to understanding the previous mis-briefings is that this represents a climb-down by Hillary Clinton from her previously stated position noted by Brian, and an acceptance of the position as stated by Barack Obama – which caused such outrage at the time amongst certain Irish-American lobbyists.

In particular, the Clinton-supporting Niall O’Dowd.

Irish Voice publisher Niall O’Dowd, who supported Mrs Clinton in the Democratic primaries, said the statement was unclear but warned that any weakening of US input in the North would be “completely unacceptable” to Irish-Americans. “A special envoy continues to be vital and necessary,” he said. “Wholehearted American support and involvement will also be vital in resolving the upcoming issues of policing and devolution.”

And here’s Niall Stanage again on the exaggarated importance of the Irish-American vote, and that of the influence of the Irish-American lobby.

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  • As an alternative, the interested parties here should reconcile themselves to growing up, standing on their own feet, sorting out the problems locally, and stop looking to nursey (whichever version of dialect she speaks with) to wipe their backsides for them.

    As for:

    any weakening of US input in the North would be “completely unacceptable” to Irish-Americans.

    The Americans of my acquaintance, even those of Irish extract, have a few other issues on their minds and taking priority at the moment.

    As for:

    “Wholehearted American support and involvement will also be vital in resolving the upcoming issues of policing and devolution.”

    As they say in Brooklyn, “Cheez!”

  • oneill

    Pete Baker,

    Californian Democrats take time out from the “legalise pot” debate and knackering the state budget to call for “the Reunification of Mother Eart…er, yeah, like, Island Ireland maan” and all you can do is concentrate your metaphorical AK47 on the semi-comatose fish floating at the bottom of Mairtin’s blog. Shame on you, you’re clearly no friend of either Project Sinn Fein and by logical extensuion The Peace Process.

  • dunreavynomore

    It’s amazing that despite all the equality legislation, committees and agendas this wee statelet’s politicians and cheerleaders feel so inferior that only the constant head patting from the Hillarys of this world gives them any feeling of security. Sad or what?

  • blinding

    Barack and Hilary should say the correct response from any British and Irish politicians is “How High”

    Some people need to know their place and stay there too.

  • wild turkey

    ‘As they say in Brooklyn, “Cheez!” ‘

    Hi Malcolm… or as my cousins in neighboring Queens say ‘Cheeeses K Reist’

    Given the priorities of the current administration it is more likely a special envoy will be appointed to the Bermuda Triangle.

    When will the politicos here; their hangers-on and associated zipper lickers realise that Norn Ironland it ain’t exactly the centre of the universe? Sad or what, indeed.

    ‘Metaphorical AK47s’ whats the problem?
    They fire words. The hardware version fires hardass metal bullets…and only one is lethal.

  • Greenflag

    malcolm redfellow ,

    ‘The Americans of my acquaintance, even those of Irish extract, have a few other issues on their minds and taking priority at the moment.’

    With 25% of American homeowners now ‘underwater’ with their mortgages ( negative equity ) and an increasing trend in foreclosures brought about by rising unemployment what’s left of the american dream ‘ is looking at up to half of all homeowners being in negative equity by this time next year 🙁 At least a third according to some reports with the doomsayers going for 50%.
    Meanwhile the shadow financial sector and the banks continue to screw their customers for everything they can as they struggle to recoup their ‘losses’ from their long stint of playing poker with their investor’s and taxpayer’s monies .

    The only bright spot is the stock market :). But is this a light at the end of the tunnel or another fata morgana ?

    Northern Ireland ocal political wrangling is quite honestly a pain in the arse at the best of times . In these the worst of times NI rates haemorrhoidal status on the world stage. Yiz will have to start killing each other by the hundreds if yiz want to get noticed . But before yiz do ask yourselves this one question ?

    ‘Will it be worth it ‘???

  • Well said Wild Turkey and Greenflag. It’s more embarrassing than a pain in the arse to watch ejit’s from here spout nonsense and think they’re the centre of the universe!
    http://kennedycartoons.com

  • fin

    Geez I dunno, the democrats in California seem pretty intense on NI,
    Robbo’s latest on US and NI relationships are up there with his observations on how NI coupled with GB makes it one of the biggest economies in the world, yeah!
    In fact John Kennedy, Robbo in real life is a lot funnier than your cartoons, don’t you think a need to label everything in your cartoons is a sign of failure? that and them just not been funny, I mean.

  • dunreavynomore

    Fin, do us all a favour and find out the difference between ‘been’ and ‘being’.

  • Dave

    “…the added promise of a business envoy…”

    And don’t forget to ask about that Peace Dividend while you’re at it. Remember that one? That’s the one that was squandered by the Shinners refusing to decomission after the GFA was signed. Still, I suspect they’ll tell you to shove your dividend up your… global downturn, missed opportunity, and all that.

  • DC

    There are actually more German-Americans than Irish ones, and it still didn’t help to unite that country any faster than the natural collapse of communism itself.

  • Aaron

    DC: Therefore all we have to do is wait for the collapse of the union, when the Scots get independence…

  • Aaron @ 11:46 AM:

    Which raises four intriguing questions:

    1. Would the SNP also be requiring a US interlocutor?
    2. Would the State Department, for even a nano-second, consider such an appointment?
    3. Are there, then, fewer Scots-Americans than German-Americans (taking the point from DC @ 8:09 AM) or than Irish-Americans?
    4. Else, apart from a massive inferiority complex and a need to yell for someone with a bigger stick, what’s the difference?

    Moreover — and despite Aaron‘s bold assumption — the Union, as formerly constituted, hasn’t applied these many years. It’s just that political neanderthalers (no, they’re not all “Unionists”) haven’t recognised evolution in action; and haven’t fully comprehended the intention of Clause 2(1) of the Government of Ireland Act, 1920. To help understanding, it begins:

    With a view to the eventual establishment of a Parliament for the whole of Ireland, and to bringing about harmonious action between the parliaments and governments of Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland, and to the promotion of mutual intercourse and uniformity in relation to matters affecting the whole of Ireland …

    Which is a long-winded Westminster way of saying, “Let us out of here!”

  • Niall O’Dowd is a 20th century figure. His concerns are, in large part, no longer relevant to the reality of post-GFA Ireland.

  • Reader

    Malcolm Redfellow: Clause 2(1) of the Government of Ireland Act, 1920.
    Only another 89 years to go, I suppose?