Former TUV councillor charges Allister with running a dictatorship

One of the intriguing aspects of the TUV’s first public ‘defection’ is that it’s a money man. Councillor Charlie Tosh, once one of Peter Robinson’s team on Castlereagh Borough Council, has resigned from Jim Allister led TUV. The crux of the matter seems to have revolved around Allister’s rejection of Tosh’s proposal to set up a south Belfast branch… He has also warned darkly that other donors are similarly thinking about jumping ship… But for now, Mr Cameron’s local project looks like taking another convert: “Whilst I am an independent at the moment, I would be contemplating at least taking the UUP whip, if not joining the party.” Some would argue that it is Allister’s very tight control of the party that has furnished it with its huge impact in the European elections.

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  • Carson’s Cat

    “Some would argue that it is Allister’s very tight control of the party that has furnished it with its huge impact in the European elections.”

    Mick, that’s Allister’s double edged sword identified. If he doesn’t keep an absolute ruling fist of iron on the TUV then the crazies will scare all the voters off. However, that same iron fist doesn’t go down too well with the members.

    Tosh might accuse Allister of acting like Paisley as a dictator. I don’t buy this stuff that Paisley was a dictator – he seems more to me always to have sniffed out how people were thinking and gone along with that usually – but liked to appear as if he’d laid down the law. Of course there are a few occasions – one of which Allsiter knows of well where Paisley did bang the fist – preventing Allister’s ambitions and creating much of the bitterness which is being spouted forth today.

    However, even if you do accept the Paisley/Allister comparison being put forward by Tosh, Jim Allister is no Ian Paisley. He has neither the personality nor the charisma to carry of what Ian Paisley may or may not have done.

    The cracks were always going to appear in the TUV and they will slowly but surely develop. I wonder does Jim Allister’s dictator tendencies extend to ensuring that disciplinary action is taken against Cllrs who hurl drunken abuse at football stars?? Its all been strangely quiet on the Robin Sterling front after TUV claims that they would act…… Wonder where all their moral values are now?

  • Sam Flanagan

    CC;
    The cracks were always going to appear in the TUV and they will slowly but surely develop.

    Funny you sould say that, the latest news I am hearing from the Lundy party is they are comforting themselves with the notion Jim Allister`s will not be able to sustain his present level of support.

    They had previously been comforting themselves with the notion he would only get around 30,000 to 40,000 Euro votes.

  • GGN

    It seems a bit strange that Mr. Tosh is linking himself with the UUP, a pro-GFA agreement party apparently.

    The basis of the TUV is supposedly opposition to power-sharing with Sinn Féin, yet the UUP are not opposed to that.

    Is the TUV just anti-DUP? Is is personal?

  • THEBIGMAN

    This is a “load of old tosh”

  • samantha

    GGN of course the TUV are anti DUP, had Allister have gotten his way in the DUP he would not have left!

  • 6countyprod

    And so it begins.

    The TUV is currently represented and backed by a bunch of grumpy old men who can’t get along with anyone for very long. Their European candidate in June, while doing better than expected, still only got a fraction of the vote he received in the previous election.

    If they can keep their movement together, they may be able to retain a few council seats, possibly an Assembly seat, or two, but they have little chance in Westminster elections, and, as we saw, no chance in Europe. They are an amusing, although sometime annoying, sideshow, but apparently going the way of UKUP.

  • fin

    surely the the TUV are pretty much anti everything.

    In keeping in step with certain posters and bloggers on here when SF have lost a councillor, can I state the TUV is in meltdown, they (he) had a disastrous European election, the only way to save the TUV is to replace the leadership with someone (anyone) more electable (to anything) etc etc

  • fair_deal

    6countyprod

    “If they can keep their movement together, they may be able to retain a few council seats, possibly an Assembly seat, or two”

    Allister is not going to wither on the vine. I sense the further away we get the election the more complacency is creeping back into the political class.

    The Euro vote level if maintained at an Assembly election would deliver 12-18 Assembly seats not one or two.

  • 6countyprod

    Dream on, fair_deal!

    Okay one or two may be poetic license, but if European elections results can be extrapolated into Westminster/Assembly/council seats, then the DUP would have been the biggest Unionist party since 1979. You know fine well it doesn’t work that way.

    Extraordinary circumstances allowed Jim to get a higher vote this time, but the TUV is still a one-man band. Can you name another TUV member capable of appearing on TV to debate with other politicians?

    There are, undoubtedly, some young TUV members with ability, but are they willing to sacrifice their anonymity to serve the community, and more importantly, will they be able to influence the Huffy Old Men brigade that currently makes up the vanguard of the party.

  • 6countyprod

    should be ‘1977’ above

  • fair_deal

    6countyprod

    “Dream on, fair_deal!”

    I don’t dream. I look at the numbers as they are the only independent evidence there is and the remedy for wisful thinking and complacency.

    In the two elections the TUV have contested they have taken comparable amounts of the Unionist support. The proportion of transfers the DUP were able to attract from that has declined.

    66K votes spread across 17 constituencies (excl west Belfast) is about 3800 votes – that is not far off a quota in most of them. Box returns also show a reasonable geographical spread.

    Look at the Northern Ireland election result sites – the number of assembly seats has a relationship with the % of the vote you get (with some skew to the benefit of larger parties). The TUV got over 13%.

    These can not be opined away. Unless they are faced the DUP will not do what it needs to do.

    “Okay one or two may be poetic license, but if European elections results can be extrapolated into Westminster/Assembly/council seats, then the DUP would have been the biggest Unionist party since 1979. You know fine well it doesn’t work that way.”

    There is no Paisley factor any more in Euro elections and may very well prove a more useful barometer than before. The results weren’t too far off the last assembly election results with the noteable exception of straight DUP loss to the TUV.

    McCartney’s one man band the UKUP managed 5 and Allister has an appeal to the evangelical voters that McCartney never had. He outpolled McCartney’s euro performance by a factor of 3.

    Also don’t preseume that the TUV will be transfer repellent – the UUP may very well ‘unofficially’ return the transfer favours the TUV does them and his views are not far out for a good chunk of average DUP voters.

    “Extraordinary circumstances allowed Jim to get a higher vote this time”

    The same was said after Dromore….

    I’ve been in one party that continually found excuses for its decline and how voters would simply come back etc etc. I really have no desire to see the DUP go the same way but pretending that the TUV isn’t a significant electoral challenge will guarantee that they will.

    “Can you name another TUV member capable of appearing on TV to debate with other politicians?”

    Keith Harbinson. The Euro result will make it easier for the TUV to attract more. You also over-estimate the importance of a media performance, the narrative and message are equally if not more important. Right now the DUP hasn’t got one and has not for a few years.

  • boss hogg

    I don’t know why anyone would vote for Allister he does not even know what he wants, first its direct rule then it’s a super council and then a voluntary coalition,then its bringing down the executive, its no wondering the TUV are falling our amongst themselves.

  • PaddyReilly

    The Euro vote level if maintained at an Assembly election would deliver 12-18 Assembly seats not one or two.

    Well the TUV are not going to win a seat in West Belfast and probably not in Foyle, but in any constituency in which there are currently two DUP seats, they stand in line to take one, more or less a certainty where there are three. I think it unlikely that they will win more than one seat in any constituency, and the way things are going, it will be an unusual constituency which returns two members of the same party.

    Westminster who knows, but is Westminster relevant any more? Like Europe it has nothing really to do with local politics.

  • Different Drummer

    Jim-Ulster-Allister A Dictator

    But you all forget there are those Loyalists who like being told what to do and what to think because they fear freedom (and not just Gerry Adams’s suits)

  • reminds me of under seige

    no one suspected the Tosh.

    hows that for an analogy Turgon?