“I’m living at present in a cul-de-sac….”

DCAL Orangefest Minister, Nelson McCausland, has inadvertently provided possibly the quote of the year.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    still talking shit Pat?

  • Yes UMH, because I’m a Catholic – and that’s what we do.

  • John O’Connell

    6countyprod

    I’m taking my observations from the behaviour of Prods and Catholics.

    One word defines the difference between the Old and New Testaments and that is “empathy”.

    Whatever you read and whatever you quote the difference between Prods and Catholics is that Catholics are more empathetic. I’m past caring what the quotes say. Obviously on an individual basis there are exceptions to the rule but the rule I would make is that Prods are lacking in empathy.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    this will be interesting, I’ll sit back and watch if you don’t mind 😀

  • HeadTheBall

    “..the rule I would make ..”

    Do you think you might be teetering towards a wee notion of your own infallibility there, John?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    I’m not even an Orangeman, yet I wouldn’t attend a Roman Catholic service, or any other service which undermines Jesus.

  • I’ll sit back and watch if you don’t mind 😀
    Posted by Ulsters my homeland on Jul 10, 2009 [b]@ 12:41 AM[/b]

    #

    I’m not even an Orangeman, yet I wouldn’t attend a Roman Catholic service, or any other service which undermines Jesus.
    Posted by Ulsters my homeland on Jul 10, 2009 [b]@ 12:51 AM[/b]

    The power of your intellect never fails to amaze me. It’s truly frightening, even somewhat intimidating.

  • P Bradley

    Nelson Mc Causland beggars belief. Can he not even pretend that he will try to carry out his duties in an even-handed way? Imagine what he’ll be like when he gets into his stride?

    Pat – is it not Liam the Baker?

    Doire abú

  • Secret Squirrel

    Hey Pat, I donno’ about frightening or intimidating; I find it highly amusing. :o)

  • No, it’s certainly not Paddy.

    Tír Eoghain abú, Nelson.

  • Dave

    “I’m not even an Orangeman” – Ulsters my homeland

    Only because you quit in tears after one of the organisers handed you a pair of malacca canes when he mistook your beer gut for a Lambeg drum.

  • [i]Only because you quit in tears after one of the organisers handed you a pair of malacca canes when he mistook your beer gut for a Lambeg drum.[/i]

    Fucking hilarious, and very likely true.

  • RepublicanStones

    Dave #11 this page – easily the funniest thing i’ve ever read on Slugger and as the breadman says ” La verdad !”

  • Smug O’ Tool

    Why couldnt the Roman Catholic Irish cabinet join the Church of England service, 1949 ?

    Just shows you how backward things are up there when you are comparing something which happened this week with something that happened last century.

    Any plans for the millennium UMH? Do you think the world is going to end? Maybe a bit of rapture to beam up all the Bible bashers. God would be doing the rest of us a favour.

    What’s your opinion on these preachers in the redneck states of America who can heal people with their hands or by blowing on them? Martin Luther would be very proud. It’s all about the money these days among the Lords most beloved flock.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-hhaNxnSmA

  • Kaido

    “at present I’m living in a cul-de-sac” finish the sentence Nelson “of the mind”.

    Living proof that travel broadens the mind, not education.

  • Richard Aardvark

    “I don’t know what “Republicans” believe. That’d be what I believe. What is the point of “faith” without consequence?”

    Ok Kensei, got ya, no Protestants need apply…

    “Ah sorry. I didn’t really realise I was talking with a bigot. Good to know I’m wasting my time before we get too far along. Bye.”

    Pathetic; the GAA openly celebrates the sectarian murder campaigns waged by Nationalist death squads. McCausland will put manners on them.

  • Smug O’ Tool

    JOC
    Catholics are more empathetic.

    So the Christian Brothers were very empathetic then? How about the Magdalene Sisters? The RC church seems to be very empathetic with it’s congregation at the moment, refusing to pay their dues for the hurt they caused. Ratzinger is also proving himself to be very ’empathetic’. How many religions has he p!ssed off at this moment in time?

    Someone else here had a go about Protestants being crap artists. I guess Rembrandt and Van Gogh (whose father was a pastor) mustn’t be their cup of tea.

    Some people on here have more in common with Nelson than they’d be comfortable with.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘McCausland will put manners on them.’

    Didn’t the whole bunfight start 100s of years ago because a ‘civilized set’ thought they would put manners on ‘savages’????!!!

    We’re gettin nowhere if thats your attitude.

  • Smug O’ Tool

    Richard Aardvark
    the GAA openly celebrates the sectarian murder campaigns waged by Nationalist death squads. McCausland will put manners on them.

    That’s fighting talk. I hope Nelson doesn’t let you down. Considering the GAA doesn’t rely on the NI government for much, it’s going to be hard for Nelson to do much more than appear ignorant in the media to the outside world. But that keeps his voters happy I suppose. An easy bunch to win over. You don’t need to be good at your job, just be ignorant. Works for 9/10 NI politicians.

    I really do feel like I’m in the 19th/20th century on this forum. Mick Fealty, are you Doc Brown in disguise?

  • JR

    Nelson’s appointment is irrelevant, he will do a bad job like most of the rest. He will continue to contribute nothing to a stable Northern Ireland.

    UIMHL and others have convinced themselves that they are one of the lucky couple of hundred thousand in this world of 8 odd billion people to know how to get into heaven and luckier still they are generally born into it. The rest of us are going to hell so don’t really matter. We can be easily dehumanized, treated with apathy, intransigence and largely be ignored. Mc Causland is the same and was appointed more for his wish to dis-serve one community than to serve the other.

    As a side note.
    UIMH in my view your ability to quote sayings from a dogey translation of a translation of a book that has been edited many times through the ages, picking up and dropping books does not make you a Christian. To be a Christian you must love the lord your god with all your heart soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.

  • Smug O’ Tool

    Here here JR!!

  • kensei

    Richard

    Ok Kensei, got ya, no Protestants need apply…

    I don’t see how you get from what I said to that, but that’s your business. Just don’t stick words in my mouth, thank you very much.

    Pathetic

    Yes, it about sums your comments up. Done here. Kthanksbye.

  • Seceder

    Folks the sad reality is that this problem of DUP types not attending Catholic services etc has always been with us, yesterday and today while we beat up on Nelson McCausland many forget that the DUP minister skillfully all avoided attending Const Stephen Carroll’s funeral back in March.

    Now undoubtedly they were all to busy filing their nails or watching family movies in hotels but the media and our collective community let them away with it then.

    So why the indignation now – we let them away with it in March so they believe they can get away with it now

    Our so called Ministers feed of our sectarian acceptance and repeat the behaviour.

    Likewise when others don’t behave in a sctarian way we ignore it – reg Empey orangeman and all went to Stephen Carroll’s funeral and no one said boo – either in praise or condemnation

  • 6countyprod

    JOC,

    I’ve no idea what criteria could be used to measure ’empathy’, but yours appears to be quite subjective.

    If, for example, it is the practical outworking of ‘loving your neighbour as yourself’ then the Catholics of many housing estates around NI fail miserably. My wife was forced from her home simply because she and her family were Protestants. Of course, many Protestants fail on that score as well.

    If it is giving to charitable causes, I would reckon that Protestants in NI give as much, if not more, to good causes as Catholics. Take a visit around the major charity shops in the province and see who gives of their time voluntarily for the benefit of others.

    If it is contributing to foreign aid with either money or time, I would suggest that there are more Protestants from NI involved in overseas orphanages and socio-economic/community development projects than Catholics.

    John, you seem to be locked up in a little world of your own, oblivious to the reality around you. There is no doubt that there is a small percentage of yahoos who give Protestants a bad name, but the vast majority of Protestants, as well as, of course, Catholics, are decent, hard-working people who are tired of the stereotypes that are pinned on them.

  • John East Belfast

    I would say the vast majority of northern protestants would not know who the All Ireland Champions are.
    When GAA comes on I reach for the remote and quickly turn the pages in a news paper.
    Zero interest.

    However if you are Minister of a brief that includes Northern Irish sport that ignorance is nothing to be proud off and as with any job you would be bluffing until you got up to speed. Hence his comments were designed to offend.

  • Ms Wiz

    Seceder

    Likewise when others don’t behave in a sctarian way we ignore it – reg Empey orangeman and all went to Stephen Carroll’s funeral and no one said boo – either in praise or condemnation

    Actually I would hope that it need not be mentioned at all, believing it to be a normal display of empathy from sentient human beings.

    As for De Valera and his cabinet standing outside for Hyde’s funeral, didn’t anyone think to say, “Here lads we look like complete dicks, let’s just go inside”.

  • Cushy Glenn

    “In a broad, crude but painfully true sense, protestants just don’t do art and tend to be awkward around higher and finer culture. Strangely enough they also tend to be misery guts in their personal and what passes for their social lives.”

    Swifts, Yeats, Shaw, O’Casey, Sheridan, Hewitt- hucksters and journeymen of course… Why not share your estimation of the contribution of the Black community to opera and ballet when you’re at it? Two areas of high art where I have to confess I am unable to recall a great contribution by the Irish “race” by the way. Gaelic sports and language had a very large dose of Victorian imagination to get them up and running too, if we’re being honest.

    “I shouldn’t want my daughter to marry one.
    Other than that, I suppose they’re quite nice really.”
    I’m only guessing that you’re trying to “do” irony, because otherwise yours is the worse sectarian post I’ve read on this thread. Perhaps you think it’s indicative of a higher cultural perspective to invent a league table of races based on their achievements as you assess them. Hey presto- you’re now perpetrating the very crime you presumably attribute to Nelson. But then longstanding Sluggerites know you to be a seasonal plant- only coming out to troll in the first fortnight in July- and weigh your contributions accordingly

  • Rory Carr

    I forgot to add, Cushy Glen, that they also generally tend to be totally devoid of any sense of humor. Sorry about that omission.

  • Seceder

    Ms Wiz, you’re right we shouldn’t hve to point it out but by pointing proper behaviour we highlight that for all the excuses the likes of the DUP ministers are not bound by some unbreakable pledge they are doing it of their own free will.

    As for De Valera and the guys that was nearly exactly 60 yeas ago – 12/07/1949 Douglas Hyde died. and we all have moved on since then I would hope

  • Seceder

    Ms Wiz, you’re right we shouldn’t hve to point it out but by pointing proper behaviour we highlight that for all the excuses the likes of the DUP ministers are not bound by some unbreakable pledge they are doing it of their own free will.

    As for De Valera and the guys that was nearly exactly 60 yeas ago – 12/07/1949 Douglas Hyde died. and we all have moved on since then I would hope

  • [i]I would say the vast majority of northern protestants would not know who the All Ireland Champions are.[/i]

    From my experience that’s simply not true. At the very least they’d be able to tell you that Tyrone did very well in some big competition not so long ago. Maybe the Protestants that you associate with just aren’t very enlightened.

    [i]McCausland will put manners on them. [/i]

    One of the funniest things I’ve ever read!!! I’d like to see him try!! Hahaha. God that’s comedy gold. How exactly is he even going to attempt to “put manners” on us!? We don’t get any funding from Stormont for starters. Is he going to hurt our feelings so bad, by pretending that he doesn’t know how the All-Ireland SFC Champs, that we’ll all fall into his ultra-fundamentalist way of thinking?! God, it’s the way you tell ’em Dick!

    [i]he GAA openly celebrates the sectarian murder campaigns waged by Nationalist death squads. [/i]

    Where, when and why, as a proud member of the Association, have I never been invited? I await your answers, Mr. Aardvark.

  • RepublicanStones

    Wasn’t Dev leader of the opposition in 1949?

  • Seceder

    R Stones, you’re right Vev was leader of opposition and didn’t attend at all, all but one Gov minister apparently stood outside the Churh while the service took place – even though Hyde was accorded a State Funeral – bizzare

  • Cushy Glenn

    “I forgot to add, Cushy Glen, that they also generally tend to be totally devoid of any sense of humor. Sorry about that omission.

    Posted by Rory Carr on Jul 10, 2009 @ 02:46 PM”

    You got me there Rory
    I have a humour bypass when it comes to jolly racist stereotypical knockabout Perhaps I should find jokes about “Pakis” or “Darkies” funny too- after all what’s your distinction ?( apart from the fact that some of them might just have -no matter how deplorable- a germ of comic potential deeply buried in them).
    But somehow I still don’t laugh. I guess that’s just part of being dour

  • Richard Aardvark

    Pat,

    You seem genuinely surprised that the GAA would have any role in the promotion of Nationalist death squads. With a little research you’ll discover that there is a Kevin Lynch club, of which Nicky Brennan is a keen accepter of hospitality. Various trophies are named after criminals like Mairead Farrell. Nuremburg style rallies are held in honour of the hunger strikers. The GAA is stepped in the promotion of the Nationalist death cult.

    Evidently by producing a 134 posts thread stuffed full of GAA supporters wailing and gnashing their teeth McCausland knows how to make the GAA squeal by their pips.

  • Pat the baker

    [i]Evidently by producing a 134 posts thread stuffed full of GAA supporters wailing and gnashing their teeth McCausland knows how to make the GAA squeal by their pips. [/i]

    Indeed you’re quite correct Ricardo. After a very successful 125 years I now fear that, because of the valiant solo efforts of Nelson, the end is nigh for the GAA. Shit. This is bad: how will we continue to promote our nationalist death cult? I better tell the lads at the match this weekend that this could be our very last year.

    But just to be clear, can you please explain exactly how he has so successfully managed to single-handedly “put manners” on us because he’s been so quick and subversive that I haven’t even noticed. Anyways, I must go do some more wailing and then arrange an appointment with the dentist as all this gnashing ain’t good for my teeth.

  • Smug O’ Tool

    Thanks for the amusing afternoon Richard Aardvark! The GAA will outlast the DUP and Nelson. I’d wager my children on it! So who do you fancy in the Ulster final?

  • Tyrone by 6/7, Smug. Tír Eoghain abú

    Richard, just before I head off to tonight’s Nuremburg style rally down at my clubhouse, do you think Nelsy will have the patience to actually finish off the GAA because (although, as you admit, he’s made a good start – my teeth are killing me from all my gnashing and my voice is hoarse from all my wailing) it’ll take a few years to destroy an organisation made up of more than 800,000 people and, given his penchant for switching sides (UUUP – Ind – UUP – DUP – BNP??) maybe he’ll just get fed up? Nevertheless, nobody could deny that the moral victory is his.

  • John O’Connell

    6county prod

    You need go no further than the marching season to find that Prods, and most are decent people, I agree, as are most Catholics, have little attachment to the NEW Testament and are firmly rooted in the religious observance of the OLD Testament. That’s all I’m saying. Empathy is really the difference between Old and New Testaments. Annihilation is the way of the OLd Testament and that is why there are more pressures on young prods to attack Catholics. This doesn’t come about through the teaching in the Churches, but in the general atmosphere being created by their OT culture.

  • John East Belfast

    JOC

    When you are comparing Protestants with a preference for the Old Testament I think you are talking about certain evangelical Prods emphasis on “judgement” and its association with the “Law”.

    However apart from that being a caricature of Protestants I dont think you are doing either Protestantism or The Old Testament justice – and indeed you are over emphasising the “gentleness” of the New Testament bearing in mind the equally uncompromising teachings of St Paul – who I suspect is a greater icon in Catholicism than Protestantism.

    Jesus himself said he did not come to do away with one letter of the law – or words to that effect from memory.

    Indeed the very basis of Protestantism is Salvation which is a totally New Testament concept.

    Protestantism’s emphasis is on personal slavation through Christ and the need for complete and utter repentance from past crimes – eg Paisley would say that there is no forgiveness without repentance – which is defined as a total turning around.
    There is a percepyion among Protestants that Catholics think they can do what they want and get absolution from a Priest. However in Protestantism there is a greater emphasis on personal responsibility and that the buck stops with individuals. Hence that message sometimes appears as judgemental but to Protestants it is simply the Truth which they believe Catholics are not taught.

  • Brian MacAodh

    “UIMH in my view your ability to quote sayings from a dogey translation of a translation of a book that has been edited many times through the ages, picking up and dropping books does not make you a Christian.”

    The Bible a compilation of books that has been edited many times for political reasons and whole books have been slashed at times. It wouldn’t surprise me if Jesus’s life and message were hijacked by one sect of his followers who managed to become more powerful and that became the basis of modern christianity.

    When I run out of korans to wipe my ass with i think i will start with pages of the old testament. If God is anything like the god in the old testament i wouldn’t want to be created in his likeness

  • Brian MacAodh

    I’ve had a few drinks if you can’t tell, waiting for my friend bout to go out for some more. I had a good laugh reading this thread.

    My superstition is superior to yours.

  • John O’Connell

    Jesus himself said he did not come to do away with one letter of the law – or words to that effect from memory.

    I think you’ll find that Jesus was saying that the purpose of the OT law and his law was the same but that is where the similarity ended.

    What Jesus actually did was to create laws that were empathetic to man in that he was suggesting that man was essentially good, being created by a good God. Do on to others… is the summary of all Jesus’ laws and yet the myriad of laws in the OT are completely designed to convince us that we are all evil.

    The OT law suggested that man was essentially evil created by that monster worshipped by OT peoples.

    The one word that separates the sheep from the goats is empathy and if your culture is OT like the unionists and elements of Sinn Fein, you really lack empathy and are therefore dangerous to those Jesus is trying to help with his compassion.

  • John East Belfast

    JOC

    You either missed or ignored the point I was making and simply re-iterated your own broad brush opinions

  • John O’Connell

    indeed you are over emphasising the “gentleness” of the New Testament bearing in mind the equally uncompromising teachings of St Paul

    Teachings are teachings whereas the OT is very much about actions such as genocide. Those actions cannot happen unless there is a lack of empathy between human beings.

    Indeed the very basis of Protestantism is Salvation which is a totally New Testament concept.

    Yes but it is about getting into heaven and neglects the aspect of creating heaven on earth. Their heaven might be a place where the work ethic orders society but Jesus is ordering his society on empathy, love and compassion.

    There is a percepyion among Protestants that Catholics think they can do what they want and get absolution from a Priest. However in Protestantism there is a greater emphasis on personal responsibility and that the buck stops with individuals. Hence that message sometimes appears as judgemental

    Confession serves its purposes, and Christ asked us to use it. It is not simply about collectivism. But you’re right, Prods have a claim to be individualistic, but this is probably down to the lack of empathy for other people’s difficulties and a desire not to have to share their burden. However community is life and the individual is already dead in Christianity.

    In all this the influence of the Churches is very much overstated by you. Most of these characteristics of Prods and Caths derive from the political history of oppression and represssion, which have made Catholics like the Jews more inclined toward the New Testament. In other words, most of this doesn’t transfer too well to other countries.

  • wheellsofire

    Wow. what started as a dig at the propensity of the DUP to make itself foolish in the eyes of the world turns into some weird kind of theological debate.
    First they appoint a Minister for the Environment who believes that climate change is not man made, and who regards the laws regarding motorcycles as pretty unimportant.
    Next, such is the depth of their talent-pool, they appoint a man apparently so deeply involved with sport that he claims to be unaware of anything to do with a sport played by about one third of the population he is supposed to represent.
    What next? A DUP Minister of Education denying Darwin?
    A Minister who speaks and that cherishes that most vibrant of languages, Ulster-Scots, which has such a rich contemporary culture,producing loads of literary works (I assume – the lack of reviews probably is true of many small languages) yet somehow unable to bring himself to show respect for the Irish language.
    Quite why the gent in question felt obliged to point out to a world which couldn’t care less which churches he would not be attending in the context of a visit to Donegal baffles me.
    I don’t recall ever reading a visitor on state business bothering us with their particular church/service/voodoo ritual, much less informing us which they will be attending. Does he think religion is contagious, and that he might have a nasty dose of Catholicism simply by being amongst so many?
    And if living in a cul-de-sac is too French for him (loads of RCs), perhaps he would prefer to live in a dead end.
    Oh….my karma just ran over your dogma.