Some of those questions that just won’t go away

As has been noted earlier, the family of Coleraine murder victim, Kevin McDaid, have issued a statement critical of the PSNI’s handling of events in Coleraine in the period of time leading up to his murder. The PSNI’s response- issued by Assistant Chief Constable, Judith Gillespie (it seems ACC Finlay’s been benched, possibly following his mavericks‘ faux pas?) is interesting for what it doesn’t say rather than its actual content.
There is no attempt to deny direct contact with loyalist paramilitaries, as has been suggested by the family of Kevin McDaid, and it is becoming clearer that, with time, the nature of those negotiations and the contacts on the loyalist side will become an increasing source of anxiety for the PSNI, not least proving the ACC Finlay directed assertion that those implicated were mavericks in the face of evidence as to the less than peripheral status of those now charged with the murder.
Nor is there an explanation as to why the PSNI would involve themselves in negotiating the removal of flags in this particular estate, allegedly at the behest of loyalist paramilitaries, whose record of flying flags in protestant and mixed residential communities remains unparalleled across the north of Ireland.
Meanwhile, ACC Gillespie’s stout defense of the PSNI officers’ actions in the estate during the violent attack is clearly not shared by columnist Kevin Myers, though his central contention that the murder is the result of an emasculated police service (and, surprise surprise, that’s the fault of republicans) collapses with the very mention of the name Robert Hamill, whose murder in Portadown was, of course, in full view of what Myers clearly believes to have been a more professional and effective policing service.As I see it, the Police Ombudsman will require answers to the following questions:

1. Who initiated the contacts during the day when ‘tensions’ were purportedly raised due to the display of an Irish Tricolour?
2. What specific ‘threats’ were relayed from loyalists to the PSNI regarding a possible loyalist invasion of the area concerned?
3. Who suggested the ‘compromise’ which involved removal of the flag and who was the loyalist ‘guarantor’ that the deal would effectively end the threat of violence?
4. Did the PSNI even consider informing their loyalist sources that threats of violence against the local community on the basis of the presence of flags were unacceptable and that the presence of flags was a non-issue for the PSNI, as they clearly are for the organisation in virtually every other district in the 6 counties?
5. Why did the PSNI put such faith in the word of the ‘guarantor’ to the extent of reducing the effective policing presence in the area?
6. A number of newspaper reports have indicated that loyalists were amassing outside a loyalist bar in the town in the period leading up to the attack. Were PSNI officers aware of this mobilisation and, if so, what actions were taken?
7. Were the PSNI officers in the area armed and, if so, why did they not fire warning shots into the air to attempt to disperse the crowd?

  • Brian MacAodh

    Kevin Myers can go fuck himself, even if he occasionally right

  • barnshee

    Au contraire in fact — the two murders resulted from exactly the same sets of circumstances. The cops thought “Get out of the car and get my head kicked in or worse -er no thanks” call in the heavies.

    Few psni officers are equipped physically or by inclination to interfere/act in confrontational situations — got to get the heavies in (a brief look at your local average plod will show that heavies they are not)

    They work with “community representatives” to “seek to defuse” situations The one lesson the plod has learned is that not acting is the best option for the individual officer.

    Q you were reluctant to act because the victim was a catholic ?

    A er no I was reluctant to act because I did not want MY head kicked in

    Q why did you not use weapons?

    A you are joking of course -look what happened when we used to use weapons

    No myers has it spot on thats the way the psni works now —apportionment of blame is pointless

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    ..and how long will their enquiry take.

    Presumably the PSNI and/or local people should be able to confirm if the police were armed?

    It would be also useful to hear from the PSNI what action they are expected to take if a member(s) of the public are in serious danger when they are both armed and unarmed.

  • biff1

    Kevin Myers is a fantasist , and a plonker, Nuff said .
    Yes I have read his book , Star Trek had nothing on it as far as imagination is concerned .
    Biff1

  • circles

    Barnshee – as you seem to have an insight into police force thinking, what was the RUC’s excuse for sitting on their hands?

  • Driftwood

    They (PSNI) still have a mindset that the Army will come in and do the stuff that matters. But let’s not lose sight of the fact, that when the police get it wrong, as in Menezes, no win situation. It’s a lot easier to prosecute a Lee Clegg than a cop. But the image of the PSNI as a bunch of hapless hand wringers, a sort of wimpy version of the RSPCA, is going to be hard to dispel.

  • Driftwood

    PSNI arms training is hopeless. A few hours at Ballykinler, and no army involvement. because that might compromise their ‘equality’ agenda. So they aren’t allowed on the specialist military ranges.
    Plenty of hours learning Sociology and ‘Community Relations’ workshops more than make up for this however. Step forward Professor Jackie McDonald.

  • k

    Barnshee, you seem to have no idea of how the PSNI are armed. They are not sitting in their cars with only a baton to protect them. Every PSNI car contains at least one sub-machine armed officer.
    Your analysis is extremely flawed. The real question is why the heavily armed PSNI officer chose to stay in his armoured car and watch 2 ‘taigs’ get beaten to death rather than intervene with his overwhelming firepower.
    One MP5 beats 40 sticks/bats/bottles every time.

  • firbolg
  • blinding

    I believe that we now underestand why loyalist terrorist groups have not been pressured into decommisioning their arsenal of weapons.

    It is so that the PSNI will know how much forelock tugging to give to these murder gangs.

  • blinding

    With regard to Kevin Myers I believe he would be just the man to obtain permission from Unionist politicians or more importantly the leaders of still armed loyalist terrorist groups for the police to shoot the worst offenders of loyalist marauding mobs when they become rabid and go loco.

    Kevin you are the man for the job. Grasp your opportunity and show us that you belive in this crap that you write.

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    “loyalist paramilitaries, whose record of flying flags in protestant and mixed residential communities remains unparalleled across the north of Ireland”

    Where do you want them to fly them? in the South?

  • Unbelievable

    I recently spoke with a family member who is a cop (to my eternal shame).

    I quote –

    “when we draw our guns we have to fill out a load of paperwork so it’s not usually worth it’

    “we are only allowed to use our guns when our lives are in danger”.

    This person claimed they weren’t allowed to use their weapon if it was a member of the public whose life was in danger. Surely that’s wrong? I’m embarrassed by the psni.

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    Bring back the RUC

  • skullion

    Unbelievable

    Just to get this right you’re saying that if a cop was being beaten to death its ok to draw his weapon but if a member of the public is being beaten to death it’s a no no?

  • skullion

    Fr Pat

    Bring back the RUC?Yeah they saved Robert Hamill alright.

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    What did Gerry and Martin when they said that if the party did support policing they would “put manners” on the PSNI. What did they mean?

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    skullion – “Yeah they saved Robert Hamill alright”

    At least the RUC hadn’t “manners” put on them making their job more difficult.

  • skullion

    Fr Pat

    If by putting “manners” on the police you mean making them accountable that was the job of Patten.As for making the job more difficult i don’t see how it has.Both the RUC and PSNI were quite happy to sit and watch.Not much difficulty in that.

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    skullion – was it Patton who brought in the rule that officers aren’t allow to draw their weapons unless they are personally in danger?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Chris,

    the rules governing use of weapons should be available from the PSNI under freedom of information – why dont you ask them on behalf of Slugger/yourself and then people wouldnt spend so much time going round in circles.

  • skullion

    Fr Pat

    I don’t think their lives were in danger when they were firing at chimps in Belfast Zoo.Bottom line is that society expects police officers to protect life and to a lesser extent property.On this occasion the Psni officers sat in their patrol car and did nothing to protect the general public.In fact you could argue that by doing nothing they facilitated the murder of Mr McDaid.From reports Mr McDaid went to the aid of Mr Fleming who was being assaulted and as a result of his courage ended up dead.Meanwhile at least two heavily armed policemen sat and watched.Its pretty shameful that the general public cannot rely on its police service to protect it.

  • rubyred

    firbolg

    absolute class.

  • lessons from elsewhere?

    what would have an garda siochana have done differently?

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    scullion – “I don’t think their lives were in danger when they were firing at chimps in Belfast Zoo.”

    The monkey incident was in 2005, so the rule must have been introduced after that. Read Firbolg’s second link, March 2007, 2 months after Gerry and Martin said they would put manners on the PSNI.

  • Fr Pat McGroin

    Correction scullion –

    Firbolg’s 1st link (the shooting in Ardoyne)

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    [b]January 2007[/b] – Gerry Adams announces to Republicans that they will “put manners” on the PSNI if they support policing, by the end of the month the party gives its support to the PSNI.

    [b]March 2007[/b] – BBC news reports, PSNI fire shots as man flees car. ‘Sinn Fein is questioning why bullets were fired in a busy residential area.

    The party’s north Belfast assembly member said: “Whatever this person was or was not at, and none of us know, he was not armed, there was no exchange of fire.

    “There had to be another way of apprehending this person as opposed to firing shots. We could have had another dead person in this community tonight.”

    [b]May 2009[/b] – Two PSNI officers fail to respond as loyalist mob beats man to death. PSNI officers reveal they can’t draw heir weapons unless they are personally in danger

    When did the law change?

    Who was responsible for bringing about the change?

    When are the going to resign from the policing board?

  • Rory Carr

    I suppose that if the police had exercised their duty and been more diligent in attempting to rescue Mr McDaid from his murderers then it is quite possible that they would have placed themselves in physical, indeed even mortal danger which might have caused them to draw and even fire their weapons.

    But as they fell miserably short in the exercise of that duty Mr McDaid died, another man was critically injured and two women, one pregnant were beaten unmercifully by a rampant mob of sectarian thugs exercising what they saw as their God-given right to kick vulnerable, defenceless Catholics – and those who associate with Catholics – senseless.

    The long and miserable history of NI police officers openly tolerating (and sometimes encouraging) such behaviour from loyalist gangs can only but reinforce distrust for such a force by whatever name it is called. It is not the rebranding by uniform, title or insignia that counts it is a complete change in ethos that is necessary.

    This terrible deed and the police behaviour before and during its occurrence do not reflect well upon the impartiality of the PSNI and give aid and comfort not only to loyalist thugs but also to those republican dissidents who can point to such partiality as further justification for their own misdeeds.

  • skullion

    Fr Pat

    Very difficult to be in danger sitting in your car a hundred yards away.Perhaps if they had approached the mob they could then have claimed to be in danger and then draw their weapons.But sure doing that just seems like too much bother.As for the incident in Ardoyne a cynic might think that the police have no bother firing at taigs.

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    skullion – approaching the mob may give them the excuse needed, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s another rule against that just in case ‘rouge’ officers are heavy handed.

  • pól

    [i]in case ‘rouge’ officers are heavy handed[/i]

    The ones with nice pink cheeks?

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    lol, don’t tell the bishop.

  • Concern

    If it is true and the psni did watch what went on does anybody agree the only word that could or should be used is cowards

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    concern – it depends on whether they were allowed to use their guns. Two cops with truncheons and batons is no match to dozens of thugs yielding weapons.

    It really comes down to them being allowed to use the guns in a built up area when there is no threat to their life. I even doubt if a tazer would have been effective in this situation, but at least it might have been a greater deterrent than a truncheon.

  • Observer

    The armchair generals are out in force today. Its amazing how many people know exactly what should have been done a week after the offence. Clearly a number of you must have witnessed this dispicable deed in Coleraine to be so up to speed with all the facts. I suggest that you stop blogging immediately and get down to the nearest police station and tell the police what you know so that more animals can be arrested and charged on the heels of your info. On the other hand maybe what you saying is all crap.

  • Glencoppagagh

    The BBC’s report of the family’s statement doesn’t mention the accusation of the police standing by while the ‘mob’ (since when has c30-40 people consituted a mob?) attacked their victims.
    Has anyone other than one member of the family made this allegation?
    I can understand that, indolence apart, the police might have been reluctant to get involved in a situation where they might have to draw and use their weapons when none of the assailants appeared to be carrying firearms
    By the way, just out of interest, was last Sunday an important day in the Republican calendar? Was there any particular reason why tricolours would have been on display? They don’t seem to have been elsewhere.

  • fin

    Observer
    “The armchair generals are out in force today. Its amazing how many people know exactly what should have been done a week after the offence”

    indeed, amazing the power of the media and eyewitnesses to enable people to examine situations and pass comment. Do you have an issue with unionist murders been reported?

    “I suggest that you stop blogging immediately and get down to the nearest police station and tell the police what you know so that more animals can be arrested and charged on the heels of your info”

    No need, the eyewitnesses already have, although perhaps the people here who appear to disbelieve the eyewitnesses should get down to the copshop and pass on their information.

    Glencoppagagh

    How many people constitute a mob? why does this matter?

    Does the fact that Tricolours were flying make a difference? do you think the prison sentences (if any) should be reduced because of this? was McDaid carrying a Tricolour, did he put them up?

  • Reader

    k: One MP5 beats 40 sticks/bats/bottles every time.
    With a 15 or 30 round magazine?
    But actually, two armed army corporals were lynched by a republican mob during the troubles. Also, when Michael Stone murdered 3 people in a cemetery using hand guns and grenades, he still only just escaped with his life. Being armed doesn’t make you safe.

  • fin

    “republican mob” aka the mourners walking behind the hearse the 2 undercover soldiers rammed into at the funeral of one of Stones victims.

    Stone himself been ‘lucky’ that the RUC were waiting around the corner to rescue him when things went a bit Pete Tong

  • Mayoman

    Sorry if I’m being naive here (no expert on policing), but is it possible that the policemen in the car were local? And with the very possible involvement of the UDA, were thinking of the safety of themselves and their families, maybe fearing later repsrisals had they intervened? Just a thought.

  • Concern

    Fin
    U are right lucky old stone. Not so lucky now for him

  • Reader

    fin – do you think you have addressed my actual point?
    re: the two signals corporals – I have not yet seen a conspiracy theory that makes anything like as much sense as the cock-up theory. They did not ‘ram’ anyone. I saw the footage, by the way – it certainly looked like a mob. Pretty much indistinguishable from loyalists in fact.
    As for Stone – I suppose that’s another conspiracy theory then. Should the police have been closer to the grave? Should they have searched everyone going to the funeral? Should they have driven off as Stone approached the road? Should they have handed Stone over for a lynching?

  • Concern

    My understanding of the two solders story was the people at that time thought it was a copycat attack

  • Joe soap

    Reader why do you bother responding to nonsense from fin? It has nothing to do with the current situation.

  • fin

    mmmh cock-up theory.

    Reader, if you’re too young to remember, have a peek on Youtube for how the RUC policed republican funerals.

    In these 2 examples at what point do mourners become a republican mob,

    Joe, read the thread, Reader brought up these incidents, but you are absolutely correct its nonsense and distracts from the point in hand.

  • Nonchalant Repartee

    Even if the police are unable to shoot does that really prevent them from using their guns as a deterrent?

    Regardless, do the officers feel that their personal safety is worth more than the safety of 4 civilians?

  • Joe soap

    apologies fin.

  • Joe soap

    Nonchalant Repartee – “Even if the police are unable to shoot does that really prevent them from using their guns as a deterrent?”

    What do you want them to do, wave their guns in the air and charge?

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    “[b]Some of those questions that just won’t go away[/b]

    here’s one of those questions which won’t go away,

    “why were the police not allowed to draw their weapons in a residential area of Coleraine?

    have you any answer Chris Donnelly ?

  • Observer

    fin

    Unionist murders should be reported as should all murders. They have also to be utterly condemned. I have no problem with the facts being reported. What I can’t stand is the whataboutery on this site by people who probably don’t give a damn about the family of the poor man who was murdered. He has not even been buried and folk on this thread, and others, are pointing fingers at the police for their action or non action and putting forward ideas about what the two?? policemen should have done. I wasn’t there so I don’t know what exactly happened. The eye witness statements have to be examined in a court of law and the truth of what happened determined. What we do know is that one poor man, a husband and a father, lies dead and a friend is fighting for his life. Could we not at least wait until after the funeral before we all put in our penny worth and start making comparisons with other atrocities?

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    fin “He has not even been buried and folk on this thread, and others, are pointing fingers at the police for their action”

    No, it wasn’t the police who made things worse, it was the loyalists according to councilor Dallat and deputy first minister Martin McGuinness.

  • Fr Pat McGroin

    we all want to know about those ‘questions that just won’t go away’

    I’m only a Priest, ask the bishop

  • pól

    Fr Pat McGroin, your ‘character’ is boring and pathetic, especially given the week that’s in it.

  • Fr. Pat McGroin

    pl, my spiritual subjects are more important than any other. Our holy father, the Pope, commands that we obey him.

  • Reader

    fin: In these 2 examples at what point do mourners become a republican mob
    I didn’t refer to them as a mob on the Stone case. His pursuers were well spread out, and the leaders might have had the strength of character and moral authority to do an arrest. Or there might have been a lynching. I don’t actually know.
    In the corporals case – the crowd became a mob when they started acting like one. It’s the same distinction as for any crowd that becomes a mob; there can come a point where the only common purpose is to do harm.

  • Nonchalant Repartee

    [i]What do you want them to do, wave their guns in the air and charge?

    Posted by Joe soap on May 30, 2009 @ 07:28 PM[/i]

    Perhaps a more morally justifiable act than doing nothing at all. No?

  • fin

    “It’s the same distinction as for any crowd that becomes a mob; there can come a point where the only common purpose is to do harm”

    So when the 2 soldiers drove into the hearse they were a mob?

    Recent behaviour of the met police in London at the G20 protests, a mob?

    Reader, is it sunstroke or what are you smoking, they might have arrested Stone? you nutter, and done what marched him down to the local police station? FFS

    Why are you trying to turn a thread about unionists getting into taxis going to an estate and kicking the sh*t out of any nationalists they could find into a thread about ‘republican mobs’

  • Big Maggie

    fin,

    “Why are you trying to turn a thread about unionists getting into taxis going to an estate and kicking the sh*t out of any nationalists they could find into a thread about ‘republican mobs’ ”

    Because Reader and several others cannot possibly defend the misdeeds of their fellow Unionists?

    It would be amusing watching them wriggle this way and that if the horrific murder of Kevin McDaid and the cowardly assault on a pregnant woman were far from being a laughing matter.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Speculation and rumour is not helpful, nor is the warped picture being painted by the media.

    The Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist community from Coleraine feel like they are being vilified, yet there is no mention whatsoever of the republican paramilitaries who live in Somerset Drive and direct a campaign of sectarian intimidation against ordinary Protestants from the Heights.

    There is also no mention that dissident and mainstream republicans, from other areas of County Londonderry and further afield, have been seen in the Somerset Drive area on many occasions.

    Sunday night’s attack should be rightly condemned, but so should the hold republican murder gangs have in the area, causing the breakdown of community relations…

  • Big Maggie

    Concerned Loyalist,

    Are you saying there’s no whataboutery? Clearly you haven’t been reading the threads on Slugger.

    BTW I’m interested to know what members of the Shame of the Bann chanted from across the river when Kevin’s remains were being brought home. Do you know?

  • Gabriel

    Allegedly the PSNI were talking to some of the arrested just before the attack and stood back for their own safety.Bears all the hallmarks of the Hamill case.

  • Big Maggie

    Gabriel,

    “Bears all the hallmarks of the Hamill case.”

    That’s what I just commented over on the Myers thread. You’d think the Unionist terrorists would have learned, but no.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Perhaps certain members of the loyalist community are being ‘vilified’ for the infuriating amounts of whataboutery they seem to be engaging in.

  • Big Maggie

    Nonchalant Repartee,

    “the infuriating amounts of whataboutery they seem to be engaging in.”

    “Seem to be”?

  • Reader

    fin: So when the 2 soldiers drove into the hearse they were a mob?
    I thought you had agreed it was a cock-up?
    fin: Reader, is it sunstroke or what are you smoking, they might have arrested Stone? you nutter, and done what marched him down to the local police station? FFS
    Yes! On several occasions IRA men were arrested by bystanders. Others were given first aid after blowing themselves up. Should they all have been lynched as you imply Stone should have been? In the end, Stone was arrested, was convicted of murder and was imprisoned. Was that the wrong thing to do to him?
    fin: Why are you trying to turn a thread about unionists getting into taxis going to an estate and kicking the sh*t out of any nationalists they could find into a thread about ‘republican mobs’
    Actually, if you will only check above, you will see that this is a thread about what the police should have done about a mob attack. Blame Chris, not me. The other threads are thataway —->

  • Concerned Loyalist

    13.Concerned Loyalist

    Perhaps certain members of the loyalist community are being ‘vilified’ for the infuriating amounts of whataboutery they seem to be engaging in.

    Posted by Nonchalant Repartee on May 31, 2009 @ 11:26 AM

    It may be whataboutery, but the actions of the scum element in Somerset Drive were the driving force behind the attacks and subsequent killing of Kevin McDaid.

    I do not condone the killing of another human being, nor do the majority of people in the town, but I have to say that there’s a feeling of indifference towards the attacks because of the disgusting behaviour of hoods and/or republicans from Somerset Drive (they’re one and the same in Coleraine) during the past 4-5 years, at the very least.

  • Big Maggie

    USA,

    “And you finished with this beauty: “but I have to say that there’s a feeling of indifference towards the attacks”.”

    Word reaches me that he’s thinking of changing his handle to “Unconcerned Loyalist”.

  • Thanks you very mach.

  • Big Maggie

    Medyumlar,

    Bir şey değil, arkadaşım!

  • tom

    As far as the Ombudsman’s Office goes I wouldn’t place too much faith in their Office rocking the boat for Sir Hugh and his senior Officers in the Special Branch. Sir Hugh is lining himself up for a nice little earner back in blighty there is no way the Ombudsman’s Office is going to spoil the party for him it is as straightforward as that.

    In relation to one Chris’s previous points “ that it is crucial that senior nationalist Politicians hold the PSNI to account.” The nationalist political leadership have virtually ignored the murder of Mr. Mc Daid. They have also to their lasting shame ignored the conduct of the PSNI on the day. Parallels with Robert Hamil’s murder sit uncomfortably with those like Martin Mc Guinness Alex Maskey and Gerry Adams who have embraced a newly repackaged Unionist Police Force. The command structure of which is accountable to no one.

    It took Martin Mc Guinness four days working in hand in glove with Sir Hugh Orde his PSNI police chief to concoct a statement which would not offend the sensibilities of Sir Hugh or his Officers in the Special Branch nor question the integrity of his force or their unwillingness or inability to defend Catholics, which was very decent of him and no doubt will be greatly appreciated by Sir Hugh when he heaves a huge sigh of relief and heads back to a nice cushy job with his bit on the side in England.

    It definitely appears that Martin Mc Guinness, like Mark Durkan, Gerry Adams, Alban Maginness and Barbara de Brun decided to leave the explosive issue of the PSNI‘s dismal failure to protect Catholics from sectarian attack well alone and decided to concentrate on getting themselves on that big European gravy train on the fourth of June instead, without stepping on any toes or being too controversial avoiding causing offense to the sensibilities of Sir Hugh. Maybe he’ll recommend them for a knighthood for being so considerate and compliant.

    Our inspirational Political and Spiritual leadership managed to disgrace themselves by ignoring the murder completely, pretending it did not happen for the last week. Nationalists concerned about the bonifides of the PSNI, in this instance will have absolutely no chance of having their concerns addressed by the great and the good of Nationalism. I.e. the above mentioned, especially as there is an election only 2 days away. Still if anything it illustrates perfectly just how politically correct and servile they have become.

    Incidentally still nothing from Cardinal Brady regarding the PSNI’s failure to protect vulnerable individuals and communities from sectarian attack it has now been over a week since the murder of Mr. Mc Daid. His silence like that of the rest of the Catholic Hierarchy is shameful. Don’t expect anything soon either as they have managed to evade making any statement on the conduct of the PSNI on the day of Mr Mc Daids murder thus far to their shame and may feel the pressure is off. This put simply is an abdication of responsibilty and is not good enough.

  • Big Maggie

    tom,

    Did I not read your above comment on another thread, in its entirety? I’m prepared to admit that senility is closing in in my case, but…

  • tom

    The reason my comment is posted on both threads is because it is relevant to both threads.

    I was hoping that one of Euro Candidates Barbara De Brun or Alban Mc Guinness would be spurred into action and answer the question of why they both skulked away and refused to comment on the conduct of the PSNI on the day of Mr Mc Daids murder over the last week. No doubt it may have been seen as to problematic, given the endorsement of the PSNI leadership by both candidates.

    I would have settled for one of the leading lights from Sinn Fein, the SDLP or the Catholic Church explaining why they ignored the Police’s role in failing to prevent Mr. Mc Daids murder. I would even have settled for one of their zealous election campaigners stepping up to the plate and answering the posts but alas it was not to be. They could not justify their failure to ask these awkward questions about the PSNI.

    No doubt they don’t have time to worry about the death of Mr. Mc Daid or the fact that Mr. Fleming is still clinging to life in hospital. There are post election dinners to be organised and enjoyed by both the SDLP and Sinn Fein. One can only hope they choke on them, somewhat uncharitable but there you are.

  • Big Maggie

    tom,

    Thanks for reassuring me that I’m not going gaga :^)

    “I was hoping that one of Euro Candidates Barbara De Brun or Alban Mc Guinness would be spurred into action and answer the question of why they both skulked away and refused to comment on the conduct of the PSNI on the day of Mr Mc Daids murder over the last week.:

    Why confine your wish to Nationalist candidates? The murder should be everybody’s business. The police belong to all of us.