Sectarian murder in Coleraine

A 49 year old man was murdered last night in what appears to have been a sectarian killing. It appears that the man (a Catholic) was murdered by a group of loyalists following the end of the Rangers and Celtic football matches.

  • Big Maggie

    Anon,

    This is what I’m talking about. Despite a few attempts here to persuade us that Unionist politicians have come right out and condemned this savage murder, it is simply not the case.

    Unionist politicians have difficulty in voicing outright condemnation of murder committed by fellow Unionists. It was ever thus.

  • ricky

    the DUP and the UUP have condemned this murder in the strongest possible terms. What more do you want_blood perhaps?

  • Anon

    James:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7919106.stm

    from 0:56 on the video at the bottom of the screen, McQuillan opens his fat mouth at 1:10

    Adrian McQuillan must elaborate on exactly what he meant.

  • Anon

    [i]the DUP and the UUP have condemned this murder in the strongest possible terms.[/i]

    No, they haven’t. Cllr Adrian McQuillan’s remarks are nothing short of gut wrenchingly despicable

  • Anon

    Unionist politicans have come nowhere close to the condemnation issued by Turgon on another thread. It was simple for them but they still fucked it up. All they had to do was say

    “This is disgusting. I utterly condemn this man’s murder. The community must help the police in bringing his killers to justice.”

    Instead Campbell said “yeah, it was a murder and we condemn all murders so this one should be aswell”, while McQuillan justified these murderers’ deeds by saying “aye but sure that lot put up tricolours just looking for a reaction and that’s exactly what happened! tut tut”

    I paraphrase, of course.

  • pól

    McQuillan’s remarks are filth. Talk about avoiding the issue. Sectarianism continues to tear this shithole asunder.

  • ricky

    councillor Mcmullans comment was an explanation not a justification of the heinous murder in Coleraine. No reasonable person could deny this.

  • Big Maggie

    ricky,

    “the DUP and the UUP have condemned this murder in the strongest possible terms.”

    Once again I have to ask if certain commenters speak the same English as I. I have not heard anything remotely resembling the “strongest possible terms”.

    I have not even heard the words “I condemn…” as a prelude to a speech by a Unionist politician in this matter.

  • Clady cowboy

    It appears that a diet of sectarianism is highly calorific from the evidence of that vile, fat bigoted bastard.

    This sorry excuse for a public representative needs to be ejected from office.

    Sounds like Mr McDaid will be a loss to Coleraine.

  • ricky

    Big Maggie
    Its the shinners who dont do the politics of condemnation – remember , not Unionists.
    By the way i hope “Clady Cowboy” didnt offend you with his last comment when he used the phrase “Fat ” in a derisory manner.

  • Big Maggie

    ricky,

    “Its the shinners who dont do the politics of condemnation – remember , not Unionists.”

    In case you haven’t noticed, this thread concerns a vile, orchestrated murder by Unionist thugs. Why are you bringing the Shinners into it? To deflect attention perhaps?

    “By the way i hope “Clady Cowboy” didnt offend you with his last comment when he used the phrase “Fat ” in a derisory manner.”

    On the contrary, if Fat Adrian happens to be sitting next to me on an aircraft anytime soon, let him just try to encroach on my space with his Yoda-like bulk! :^)

  • Anon

    Ricky,

    Wise the bap you bigot. Fuck Sinn Féin. Yes, they’re hypocritical shits but this has nothing to do with them. This is about ordinary Catholics feeling very concerned that the First Minister’s party have been entirely disingenuous and evasive in condemning this murder. We’re supposed to have turned a corner, we’re supposed to be all in this together and we’re supposed to be facing the ghastly past in the best way possible. But idiots like Campbell and the despicable McQuillan really are testing our patience.

  • Doctor Who

    big maggie.

    Why do you say that Mr. McDaid was murdered by Unionists when we know this is not the case.

    You distort the truth because you are working to a vile sectarian agenda just like the thugs who murdered Mr. McDaid.

    Gain some dignity will you.

  • Big Maggie

    Doctor Who,

    A) You distort the truth because you are working to a vile sectarian agenda just like the thugs who murdered Mr. McDaid.

    B) Gain some dignity will you.

    I can’t be the only one here who finds it difficult to reconcile A and B.

  • Doctor Who

    big maggot etc.

    From the BBC news on-line

    The East Londonderry DUP MP, Gregory Campbell, also condemned the murder.

    “There has to be total condemnation of this killing as we would do for all other killings, no matter when or where they occurred or who the victims were,” he said.

    Forensic teams have been at the scene
    “There ought to be the fullest possible co-operation between everyone in the area and the police in order to bring those responsible to justice.”

    Now im no big fan of Campbell or the DUP, but I see nothing offensive in his condemnation of the murder of Mr. McDaid.

  • Big Maggie

    Anon,

    You’re one of the few commenters making any sense on this thread. So many (it seems to me) see what they would like to see. You on the other hand call it as you see it.

    “This is about ordinary Catholics feeling very concerned that the First Minister’s party have been entirely disingenuous and evasive in condemning this murder.”

    True and undeniable. I have not heard a “condemnation” beginning with “I condemn”. Instead it’s been the usual waffle in the traditional Unionist mode of “I condemn ALL sectarian killings.”

    “We’re supposed to have turned a corner, we’re supposed to be all in this together and we’re supposed to be facing the ghastly past in the best way possible. But idiots like Campbell and the despicable McQuillan really are testing our patience.”

    First: Gregory Campbell is no idiot. He knows very well what he’s doing, and more importantly what side his bread is buttered on.

    Second: Williams IS despicable. Few beyond the sectarian bounds of Unionism could possibly refute that. The man wouldn’t be elected to do parish pump duty in New Guinea.

  • Big Maggie

    Doctor Who,

    “There has to be total condemnation of this killing ”

    Jesus, I can’t believe I’m saying this FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME.

    That is not a condemnation. That is a wish.

    Amazing. There are none so blind…

  • Anon

    Maggie, well said

    Of course I realise that Campbell isn’t stupid, but if Marty Mac can call former comrades “traitors” then Gregory can call these people for what they are: murdering scum who should be locked up for the rest of their lives.

    He had the chance to turn a corner with the rest of us but has turned down the opportunity to do so.

    As for McQuillan, the family of the late Mr. McDaid have, metaphorically speaking, truly been spat upon as a result of his remarks. A cross-community worker is beaten to death on the streets on Northern Ireland in this day and age purely on the basis of his religion and this is the reaction unionist politicians can muster. Disgraceful.

  • Doctor Who

    big maggie

    I take it then you think that there shouldn´t be total condemnation of this killing.

    It is a condemnation big maggie, your argument is that you think Campbell is insincere. That is what you would like to think but as you see it neccessary to blame Unionists for the murder of Mr. Mcdaid, your opinions should not be taken too seriously.

  • Brian MacAodh

    How do these people live with themselves? Going out with their drinking buddies and beating a poor man to death and almost another?

    Savages

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    A horrible murder and I’m sure everyone in Ulster is shocked and appalled.

    But there is always something sinister and aggressive about the Rangers fans. Remember they wrecked the city centre of Manchester recently. Just as well that they are not as prolific as they once were at winning things if this is the outcome of the fans behaviour.

    Bloody violent vicious thugs.

  • JB

    That’s it. One last trawl of the slugger pages and I am out of this depressing backwater for good. Goodbye knucklebanger [knuckle dragging headbanger]scum.
    Gregory Campbell is a disgrace to his office, to his people and to his party. RIP to the deceased.

    Sent from my BlackandTanBerry

  • pól

    [i]A horrible murder and I’m sure everyone in Ulster is shocked and appalled.[/i]

    I assure you they aren’t. I’d be willing to bet my bank balance that we’ll see a few tricolours on the bonfires this year with Kevin McDaid written on them.

  • Hmmmm

    “anyone care to refer me to a murder of a protestant civilian by a rabid gang of republican scum for base sectarian reasons?”

    Kingsmills, La Mon, Enniskillen, Teebane, Frizzels, Darkley, Bloody Friday … then there is the sickening murder of protestant women such as young Dunlop by the much loved GAA Star McElwee or the sickening murders of Emily Bullock and Gillian Johnston.

    Now can you please stfu u sickening c*t

  • Doctor Who

    hmmmmm

    Don´t let the vile sectarian idiots on this site lure you into whataboutery.

    As a right thinking person I think there has to be total condemnation of all murder, irrespective from whatever source it comes. My thoughts tonight are with the McDaid family.

    Goodnight.

  • Anon

    Hmmm, who asked that question?

  • Big Maggie

    Doctor Who,

    “you see it necessary to blame Unionists for the murder of Mr. Mcdaid, your opinions should not be taken too seriously.”

    My dear Doctor, Unionists murdered Mr. McDaid. Did you think it was Nationalists? Or perhaps you believe he committed suicide.

    Reality check. Face it:

    U-N-I-O-N-I-S-T-S—M-U-R-D-E-R-E-D

    I don’t believe I can be plainer than that.

  • Driftwood

    But there is always something sinister and aggressive about the Rangers fans.

    So at least we know who was behind the murder.

    Let’s hope Walter Smith and Ally McCoist spend the rest of their lives behind bars for accessories to murder. And Kris Boyd, Kyle Lafferty and Pedro Mendes should hang their heads in shame before being hauled in front of the Hague for ‘Crimes against Humanity’.

    Well spotted Greagoir, the PSNI may have missed out on these heinous criminal godfathers.

  • Big Maggie

    Hmmmm,

    or even: hmmmmmmmmmm,

    I repeat: this thread concerns the savage beating to death of a Catholic in Coleraine by a mob of Unionists.

    What exactly is your point?

  • Anonanonanonanonitgoes

    Driftwood

    A bit touchy, aren’t we? Are you not able to distinguish between fans and players/staff? Enough of the hyperbole little man

    It’s not like RFC have anything to hide is?

  • the big lad

    First and foremost this is truly an evil crime and i hope when they get the savages who did this they feel the full force of the law.

    Please stop playing games and let the family grieve in dignity.

  • Doctor Who

    Big Maggie

    It appears by all media reports that Mr. McDaid was murdedred by sectarian loyalist thugs, why do you disagree. If unionism is responsible for the sins of loyalist´s acting independently or as part of a paramilitary, does that then mean that constitutional nationalists are responsible for the sins of republicans like Colin Duffy.

    All right thinking people wether they be unionist, nationalist, loyalist, republican or none of those at all should be disgusted by the murder of Mr McDaid.

    Your revulsion is none less than mine and my thoughts are with the McDaids this evening as I know what they are going through.

    Goodnight big maggie.

  • teh faceman

    “I repeat: this thread concerns the savage beating to death of a Catholic in Coleraine by a mob of Unionists.”

    What exactly is your point?

    In physics there is an old saying……….

    For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    Whats your point ?

    Big maggie ..you sound like a fat bird who hasnt had it in ages lol 🙂 I bet you are ugly 😀 and can I guess you have the ultimate turn off ginger hair with a love handle/BO combo ??? :S

    As Bad Attitute Baracus would say

    “SHUT UP FOOL!!!!!!!!!”

  • Big Maggie

    Doctor Who,

    “It appears by all media reports that Mr. McDaid was murdered by sectarian loyalist thugs, why do you disagree?”

    I don’t. What makes you think I do?

    “[M]y thoughts are with the McDaids this evening as I know what they are going through.”

    So you keep telling me. But I do wish Unionist politicians would condemn this foul murder and distance themselves from it. So far, none has.

    Goodnight.

  • Hmmmmm

    Hi Maggie

    I think if you had a real life you wouldn’t spend so much time being a keyboard commando, and instead you should go commando with a nice guy 🙂

    Life is short maggie, don’t waste it being twisted with rage or, as I belive full of self doubt and low self esteem.

    I come on here once every few months for a laugh at the “stuck in da 80s” gang, and some people stand out as retarded loosers, if BGT was inversed you would win by a country mile !!!!

    Today BM you stood out !!!! pity you didn’t have a double barrelled name like Big Maggie-Windsor, then your name would have been the same as my car :O….I would have said….classs….pure class.

    please don’t get me wrong I’m only trying to give you good life-advice. Get out and get a life and don’t use your PC so much 🙂 and try to travel and meet other cultures….ah the old saying broaden your horizons springs to mind.

  • latcheeco

    Dr. Who,
    Campbell’s condemnation of those who viciously beat an innocent man to death because of his nationality/religion was deliberately nuanced, clearly qualified, and, therefore, absolutely dispicable.

  • Hmmmm

    Sad but true, im more interested in whether to change to a 911 or a 6 series later in the year…….hmmmm difficult decisions……

    can everyone leave this site and get a life !!!!!!!! me…ive only two more posts then wont be back for 6 months 🙁 sad but true.

  • anne warren

    The East Londonderry DUP MP, Gregory Campbell:

    “There has to be total condemnation of this killing as we would do for all other killings, no matter when or where they occurred or who the victims were,”

    Shall we have candle-light vigils and the trade union members out praying? Protestant and Catholic clergy holding joint services with mixed congregations? The sort of response everyone genuinely felt after the soldiers and pizza men were killed? If not, why not?

  • LURIG

    While there are many genuine people condemning this murder there most definately also is an undercurrent of “He wasn’t killed for nothing” from certain Unionist/Loyalist posters. The fact that some Unionist politicians are providing excuses and cover for the killing comes as NO surprise whatsoever to most Nationalists who know the real relationship between ‘mainstream’ Unionism and Loyalist paramilitaries. It’s one of mutual appreciation and always has been. If an Irish tricolour or Celtic scarf WAS being waved that’s justification enough to excuse the guilty for many within Unionism/Loyalism. Plus ca change!

  • Danny O’Connor

    This thread has degenerated,assume for a moment that a member of Mr McDaids family read this thread,what would they think?
    Mr McDaid was in a mixed marriage,he did cross community work taking kids fishing,He was obviously not a bigot,all of this is disrespectful to his memory.
    I would have thought that all right thinking people condemn all murder,if there is ever going to be real peace we need to start setting out a vision for the future.
    The old firm should have no place in a new NI,I know that the clubs have made efforts to elminate sectarianism but it is not filtering down far enough.
    The myth Celtic= Catholic
    Rangers=Protestant
    How many of these supporters practice their faith,as opposed to simply wearing a football shirt to make a statement in pretence that it actually means something.NO Christian could countenance this murder.

  • 2050

    Sickening & pointless murder ! Seems the underlying hatreds haven’t gone away for that minority of lunatics. The pattern is once or twice a year around the 12th or a big rangers win a gang of catholic haters feel the need to kill by a savage beating, someone who worships God in a different way to them.
    The other predictable pattern is they don’t do 1-to-1 or even 2-to-1 ? has to be the pack of dogs method.

    The convictions for a similar murder of an innocent catholic in Ballymena a few weeks ago are not a deterrent so there will be no change to this situation until P&J powers are devolved. This would allow our politicians who appear to be agreed in their total condemnation of this murder to have the power to show us regional democracy can make a break from the past & a real difference to almost half the people who live on this small part of the planet & happen to be catholic by religion. Not that that should matter

  • Hmmmm

    “While there are many genuine people condemning this murder there most definately also is an undercurrent of “He wasn’t killed for nothing” from certain Unionist/Loyalist posters. The fact that some Unionist politicians are providing excuses and cover for the killing comes as NO surprise whatsoever to most Nationalists who know the real relationship between ‘mainstream’ Unionism and Loyalist paramilitaries. It’s one of mutual appreciation and always has been. If an Irish tricolour or Celtic scarf WAS being waved that’s justification enough to excuse the guilty for many within Unionism/Loyalism. Plus ca change! ”

    Well with BMW Diesels performing so well especially the 6 Cylinder twin-turbo 3 litre 635d is it really worth buying the larger v8 petrol units?, especially given the massive torqe the oil burners have ? plus dont’t forget the 635d somes with the SMG gearbox as standard/or should I go mad and just get a 911 ? (only problem being penalty pts :)_”

    Please Help !!!!!!!!

    Ah well decisions decisions…….my last post is now used…cya ll in 6 months 🙂

  • Danny O’Connor

    A powerful message coud be sent if Walter Smith and some of his squad attended the funeral.

  • Driftwood

    A powerful message coud be sent if Walter Smith and some of his squad attended the funeral.

    Danny, maybe that’s possible, and for the NI members of the squad, especially poignant. Most of the Rangers team are from abroad (outside the UK)and it would be alien to them. But I get the point. However this murder was nothing to do with them. Greagoir thinks Ally McCoist should face a Nuremberg. It is nothing to do with him.
    What about hauling Gordon Strachan over to complain about Colin Duffy’s arrest while we’re at it?

  • 2050

    Go for the 911 , moving swiftly on !

    The Police could have done more in this case and many others. It was known there was a mob heading that way . To many times they do far to much standing back against catholic hating mobs that ends in another pointless murder.

    Do’C

    I agree, some of the rangers squad attending the funeral would be a powerful message to help break this pointless yearly cycle of sectarian murders and highlight were all the same really

  • Anonanonanonanonitgoes

    Oh Driftwood

    Why are you so touchy about RFC? It’s not like their fans have any sectarian skeletons in the closet, is it?

  • barnshhe

    As far as I can establish it – I stand to be corrected if anyone knows better -Loads of drink involved -bar in colearine waterside named-bunch of catholics attempt to batter protestant to death –victim –in hospital police looking at attempted murder charge.
    bunch of prod roam around looking for revenge murder innocent good community worker -five arrested for murder tonight (Monday)

  • Danny O’Connor

    Driftwood,the old firm need to break the mould,the sectarianism associated with it is a recipe for hatred-on whatever side of Glasgow.
    There is ,I believe,an opportunity for both clubs to show real leadership to their followers by a public display of solidarity with the victims of sectarian violence and their loved ones.
    This attack is sais to have been carried out by Rangers supporters,If it is the case that a protestant man was beaten by Celtic fans then representatives from celtic should visit him in hospital(I would have suggested Strachan-but he is gone-in the same way that Walter Smith should attend the funeral).

  • pól

    [i]As far as I can establish it – I stand to be corrected if anyone knows better -Loads of drink involved -bar in colearine waterside named-bunch of catholics attempt to batter protestant to death—victim—in hospital police looking at attempted murder charge.
    bunch of prod roam around looking for revenge murder innocent good community worker -five arrested for murder tonight (Monday) [/i]

    WHAT ABOUT THEMMUNS!!!!

    Would you just re-read what you’ve written you despicable piece of shit? People like you are the cancer that is killing the lot of us. And there is enough on both sides. Are you trying to be the Prod Rory (South Derry)?

  • Dave

    Pl, if you have any class (which I doubt), you should apologise to Danny O’Connor for that comment.

    “The reality is that 99% of people on this thread really don’t give a regimental damn about the murdered man they just want to beat their political/sectarian drum on the issue.” – oracle

    Depressingly accurate observation. There is also a fear, I suspect, that maybe a top-down approach where all the politicos are enjoying a well-stocked trough and getting on just spiffingly isn’t quite the same thing as a healed society and that it isn’t going to alter the underlining dynamics of community polarisation.

  • danielmoran

    anon msg 18. i agree totally. as i’ve posted elsewhere, campbell seems to have a problem with the word ‘MURDER’ when it is committed from his own side. might lose a few votes perhaps. can’t have that, can we?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    The poster “USA” is low life pond scum who’s only aim in this mess is to blame those nasty Unionists of sectarianism. He never fails to point the finger at the community he hates when the chance arises. He will use and abuse any grieving family to drive a sectarian wedge in already troubled towns.

  • Neil

    UMH,

    so far you have failed to recognise the possibility that this was Unionist/Loyalist sectarianism, all you have done is suggest alternative possibilities. I feel if you could come around enough to accept that it’s possible that this was in fact Loyalist paramilitaries, as reported in the media, and as witnesses of the incident recognised including Kevin McDaid’s wife then there may be some hope for you. Can you admit this? Or is it always the catholic’s fault? And no-one is in any doubt as to who is the pond life, given you appear to have the IQ of a water lily.

  • Greenflag

    UMH ,

    Perhaps you might believe the dead man’s widow ?.

    from latest BBC eport ,

    Mr McDaid’s widow, Evelyn, said the gang who attacked her husband claimed to be members of the UDA. Nine men have been arrested over the killing.

    “I went across to help him and they beat me while they beat him,” she said.

    “Then my neighbour had to step in to save me and she was pregnant and they beat her too and she shouted ‘I’m pregnant’ and they didn’t care.”

    “My sons tried to work on him. The ambulance was phoned. But he was dead, I knew he was dead. It was his colour and he couldn’t breathe.

    “The people who did this have to be punished. They took my husband’s life; they have just destroyed our whole family.”

    “It was all to do with religion, and I’m not even a Catholic. I am a Protestant, it’s a mixed marriage, but they just seem to hate us so much.

    “He was my life, he was a very loving father and a great man.

    Mrs McDaid suffered a head injury, two black eyes and was given a brain scan to ensure there were no other injuries.

    “They took my husband’s life; they have just destroyed our whole family.”

    Another man who was assaulted in nearby Pates Lane is in a critical condition in hospital.
    Police said Damian Fleming, 46, had been “brutally beaten by a sectarian mob”.

  • Driftwood

    Religion is a poison in society.
    Christians, eh? Not been a good week for them in the media.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Greenflag, If the attack was purely sectarian why weren’t the perpetrators heard to shout sectarian abuse instead of announcing themselves as the UDA?

    I have no problem accepting an attack as purely sectarian if that’s what it was, but in this case as with many other cases, there were other reasons.

    The fact that Damian Fleming was singled out suggests it was for other reasons than sectarianism.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    That’s all I’m going to say regarding this awefull murder, as its obvious the Nationalist/Republican community seem determined to blame sectarianism.

    One Republican politician Billy Leonard goes as far as to call upon Unionists to accept sectarianism was the reason. Notice he never calls on Unionists to condemn the murder, he calls on them to accept sectarianism was the sole reason behind it, before any proper investigation has taken place.

    lets have an independent inquiry and see if Leonard and Dallat are so keen to blame sectarianism. Maybe their community is embarrassed about colluding with loyalist gangster drug dealers, who knows?

  • Greenflag

    UMH ,

    ‘If the attack was purely sectarian why weren’t the perpetrators heard to shout sectarian abuse instead of announcing themselves as the UDA? ‘

    I’ve no idea .Nor do I want to know . Perhaps it’s a new trend . I would’nt expect that a mob would stops in it’s killing frenzy momentarily to remind themselves exactly why they are killing an individual . All together now lads ‘Kill the taig ‘ loud and clear for the media -Once more lads -louder please – that’s enough now -carry on killing 🙁

    Do you know what were the other reasons ?

    Mixed marriage perhaps his wife being protestant ? If you know of any other reason please contact the PSNI asap.

  • Neil

    Greenflag, If the attack was purely sectarian why weren’t the perpetrators heard to shout sectarian abuse instead of announcing themselves as the UDA?

    What nonsense. So the UDA are an equal opportunities crowd are they? Shouting UDA covers all the bases, we know who and what they are. UDA attacks on catholics would generally have been considered sectarian, but I suppose you would prefer that UDA attacks on catholics be viewed as totally divorced from your community, in spite of the fact that they are exclusively from your community, and they’re raison d’etre is the protection of your community and the promotion of your communities ideals. I suppose they’re actually fenians, due to the fact that fenian’s are bad.

    I have no problem accepting an attack as purely sectarian if that’s what it was, but in this case as with many other cases, there were other reasons.

    You have done a lot of talking on this which has proven two things, a) you either think you were there or you’re coming up with your theories based on media reports b) you have got a problem accepting an attack as purely sectarian as evidenced by the moral gymnastics you’ve been involved in to try to cast this attack as not being the UDA, not being sectarian, and coming up with various theories to explain this off. Funny enough the only theory you’ve refused to entertain at all is the one where this was a sectarian attack. Can you admit that it’s a possibility? Not that it was a sectarian attack, merely that that is one possibility? Cause you haven’t so far, all you’ve done is try to wash your hands of this, and muddy the water when all evidence so far including the word of the PSNI (usually enough for you, but not this time), numerous witnesses and victims points to you being incorrect.

    The fact that Damian Fleming was singled out suggests it was for other reasons than sectarianism.

    But what about Kevin McDaid, why was he singled out? According to the press Kevin came out to try to retrieve his kids to ensure they didn’t get a pasting from the non-sectarian equal opps UDA brigade. So why was he lynched, why was his wife attacked and his cousin? Because they were there and because they were catholic.

    Your mind is totally closed, you live life in a bubble where you believe your community to be utterly blameless in every respect. You would excuse anything, I’m quite sure that the Holy Cross school kids and the Quinn’s in Ballymoney were actually murdered in a third party kind of way by catholics. Cause if we hadn’t of been here it wouldn’t have happened.

  • Driftwood

    Why do 1 set of Christians want to kill a slightly different set of Christians so much?

    Richard Dawkins should be compulsory reading in ALL schools.

  • Greenflag

    ‘Driftwood ,

    ‘Why do 1 set of Christians want to kill a slightly different set of Christians so much?’

    Its not just christians – Why do Sunnis strap on suicide bombs to kill large numbers of Shiites ?

    ‘men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious convictions ‘

    Blaise Pascal ‘Pensee’s’ p894

    Perhaps the Creator did’nt have a well qualified design staff when he/she conceived the first Adam /Eve ?

    Richard Dawkins is not read by the kind of people who carry out these kind of criminal acts . These people tend not to be book readers . Having to think is not a seen as a marketable asset in these communities 🙁

  • loftholdingswood
  • tom mc geown

    Why did the PSNI allow a large drunken loyalist mob to assemble, invade and attack a Catholic area during a period of heightened tension in the first place. I have just read a spokesperson from the PSNI state that it was not the UDA. If it looks sounds and carrys weapons and attacks Catholics chanting UDA then in all probability it is the UDA.

    I would be concerned that the PSNI is giving cover to the UDA. There has been no comment ny Gerry Adams, Martin Mc Guiness or their propspective euro candidate Barbara De Brun on the PSNI’s dismal perfomance on the ground during this sectarian attack. Now that they have publicly endorsed and defended the PSNI I find this suprising. I await their statements on the PSNI’s performance with interest.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8068621.stm

    Posted by loftholdingswood”

    They’ll still not believe you, simply because the politicians said it was a sectarian attack by loyalists.

    Martin McGuinness told them it was a bunch of loyalists attacking a Catholic area

    Dallat told them it was the UDA organising the sectarianism:

    Leonard told them he heard UDA chants and called on Unionists to admit sectarianism.

  • dub

    umh,

    what was it you twisted little cunt an ecumencial attack by catholic outreach workers?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    dub

    “[i]umh,

    what was it you twisted little cunt an ecumencial attack by catholic outreach workers? 2[/i]

    you need to see a specialist, your hatred is disturbing.

  • ZZZZ…

    I don’t know why any person would even think about doing such a evil act

    What is wrong with these people??

    The peace process is now going on since 1998

    Not only did these kill an innocent man a father and husband for no reason but they left another man in a coma and serious attacked a woman and a pregnant woman even after she said that she said that she was pregnant how sick is that??

    My thoughts and prayers are with the family of Mr.McDaid and all those who are affected in this sicking attack.

  • the joxer

    Let’s wait and see how many people with UDA connections are charged…

  • tom

    Just watched Mark Simpson’s report on the bbc 10 o clock news. The Police (PSNI)spokesman Alastir Finlay stated on the local BBC news bulletins that 15 loyalist males were involved in the attack on the Catholic area. On the Main BBC news bulletin which is broadcast to England Scotland & Wales, He stated that up to 60 people were involved in hand to hand fighting. This account is simply not true according to local people.

    One has to wonder why he changed his story on the main BBC broadcasts? It smacks of media management (burying a bad PR story by disnformation).

    Mark Simpson’s report also neglected to mention on the main BBC news bulletin,that local people stated that the Police watched the savage attack and did not intervene again damage limitation on behalf of the PSNI. Publc concern is such, that the PSNI have had to refer these concerns to the Poilce Ombudsman.

    Still no comment from Gerry Adams, Martin Mc Guinness and Barbara De Brun on the conduct of the PSNI on Sunday or Alban Mc Guinness Mark Durkan or Cardinal Brady for that matter Why ?

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “Greagoir thinks Ally McCoist should face a Nuremberg.”

    Wow there Driftwood, back those horses into the stables!

    All I said was there is always something sinister and aggressive about the Rangers fans. A few tin’s of Tennants and they are ready for duty.

    And looking at the the following reports sums some Rangers fans up really….

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/rangers-supporter-jailed-for-murder-of-celtic-fan-1120956.html

    http://followfollowfilth.blogspot.com/2008/03/scotsman-15031996-man-was-jailed-for.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2309284/Rangers-fans-put-club-at-risk-of-ban.html

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1166626.ece

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/05/14/trouble-before-uefa-cup-final-as-rangers-fans-clash-with-police-86908-20417852/

    Seems that your red, white and blue blood has been offended, but who would want to be among such a rabid bunch that support a (once) sectarian soccer team. Same goes for Celtic fans, but when was the last time they smashed up an English city after losing a game?

  • Vision Razor

    Just saw Fat Frankie on UTV basically saying it wasn’t them. I noticed he did avoid answering the question Paul Clarke put asking where individual UDA members involved.

  • Comrade Stalin

    pl:

    Would you just re-read what you’ve written you despicable piece of shit? People like you are the cancer that is killing the lot of us. And there is enough on both sides. Are you trying to be the Prod Rory (South Derry)?

    As far as I can see, what he wrote was that a sectarian assault took place earlier in the day, and that this murder was the outcome of a revenge attack. It’s not whataboutery; it was still an unprovoked murder of an innocent man that everyone should condemn in unqualified terms. Pointing out the fact that, for example, the Loughinisland shootings were carried out in response to the Shankill bomb does not justify them.

    UMH:

    Greenflag, If the attack was purely sectarian why weren’t the perpetrators heard to shout sectarian abuse instead of announcing themselves as the UDA?

    Can you explain this to me ? You reckon someone shouting “UDA” means the attack isn’t sectarian ?

  • Driftwood

    Greagoir O Frainclin
    I support Leeds (I know) and to a lesser extent Hearts (lived on Gorgie Road).
    This has nothing to do with Rangers FC any more than ‘F troop’ has with Millwall FC (a sociology PhD there for the brave), the Inter City firm with WHUFC

    http://www.theicf.co.uk/

    or others Chelsea headhunters etc

    What happened on Sunday was not a lot more than such thuggery, but the police and courts will decide appropriately.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “This has nothing to do with Rangers FC……”

    Oh indeed Driftwood, but I never said the club and players were to blame. I merely mentioned the actions of (some) of the Rangers supporters from time to time. And of course you would agree that their actions are thuggish. I sensed you went on the defensive – defending the club of which I was not accusing whatsoever.

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