TUVish musings

One of Shakespeare’s most iconic and charismatic heroes is Henry V. One of his greatest speeches is in Act 3 scene 1 which starts with the words “Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;”

Such is the stunning enthusiasm of the TUV election workers that one begins to wonder if Jim Allister has made such a speech to them. The reality is of course that our leader whatever his many qualities is not really a Henry V figure; Allister is highly popular within the TUV, he is a good public speaker, an overwhelming hard worker and also in private a charming and friendly individual. However, he is not a supremely charismatic figure like Paisley. One wonders then how he has motivated a small and new political party to such an extent that in terms of postering and canvassing they are running equal to the UUP and DUP regarding visibility over most of the province. I would submit the reason is not the man but the idea and that is a major problem for the DUP.
The DUP (and indeed most people’s thesis) seems to be that the TUV is Allister’s vehicle to try to get re elected: that is true but it fails to understand its attraction. The DUP frequently attack Allister (which is fair enough) but in doing so I would submit they fail to understand the core nature of his appeal to many unionists.

That the DUP have forgotten that appeal seems bizarre since it is exactly the one which they made to the voters until they went into government. It is the appeal (as TUVists see it) of opposing unrepentant terrorists in government. That was the simple message of the DUP until after St Andrews (and indeed the UUP until Trimble’s leadership). It is a pretty basic and appealing concept to suggest that those who were in many cases involved in what unionists (and others) regard as the criminal activity of the past should not now be in government.

The DUP of course have a number of explanations for being in government with SF. They suggest that SF has changed or indeed been defeated. They also suggest that the current situation is more advantageous to unionists than Direct Rule was or would be. In truth the DUP may have some validity in some of these claims. However, all of this misses the central point to many unionists: that is that they do not agree with their political representatives sharing power with those whom they regard as criminals. Some TUV supporters may be persuadable to support the DUP by appeals to the dangers of vote splitting etc. However, there is a core of people who quite simply do not want their political representatives to participate in government in Stormont with Sinn Fein. To suggest to many such people that the alternative would be worse is actually counter productive: for them there is nothing politically worse than participating in a government with what they see as terrorists. It is that political ideal which I would submit motivates many TUV election workers. As such Jim Allister is merely their figure head: if it was not him they would coalesce around someone else.

There are of course other reasons why people may vote for Allister: it may be a protest vote against the current Stormont and Allister could scarcely ask for a better script that the current expenses saga to promote protest voting. In addition the current economic problems may promote protest voting. Some may feel that a shot across the DUP’s bows will help prevent any further planned concessions. A few may be willing to support power sharing with SF in certain circumstances (though probably not many). However, at the core of the TUV vote, I would submit is the objection to the current political deal and a desire to replace it.

The size of Allister’s constituency is completely unclear: I have always avoided making any predictions as I do not know how big it is; I see Jim Allister is also refusing to predict anything. I am reliably informed that a BBC journalist asked Jim Allister if he thought he could save his deposit when he put in his nomination papers. The truth is no one knows the size of the potential TUV constituency. One might suggest that the largely Belfast based media types are amongst the most poorly equiped to even guess at its size. People in Northern Ireland are notoriously reticient about admitting their political allegiances, especially if it they are quite hard line and even more so if they are admitting their views to a journalist. In addition members of the media spend relatively less time outside the Belfast “Pale” and it is out there amongst the large unionist constituencies in North and East Antrim, East Londonderry and Lagan Valley along with out here amid the dreary steeples where most TUVists are suspected to lurk. How these people are going to vote no one really knows until the votes are counted. However, I note that the predictions elsewhere have been rising recently and I have not noticed anyone ask Allister recently if he thinks he can save his deposit. Whatever happens, however, the TUVists seem willing to work themselves half to death for this election. If they fail they will politically “Close the wall up with our English dead” (well mainly not actually English but you get the idea). Defeat, if they do suffer it will not be for want of trying.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Oilifear

    “[i]Homeland, do you seriously think that this is a deliberate strategy on behalf of DUP/TUV? Usually, “divide and conquer” work the other way around.”[/i]

    I don’t believe the divide and conquer method works that well. Its much easier to bring people along with you if they are as one. Its harder when there’s division.

    Take Tony Blair and Gerry Adams for example. Before any negotiations Powell wrote “Adams said to Tony that he could of course split the movement any time we wanted him to, but that his aim was to carry them all along”. That’s why Blair gave Adams unprecedented attention over other parties.

  • Ulster is my Homeboy

    This from the bitter little man (child? woman?) who gives out lectures on the folly of ill-education:

    [i]Let me just say, as someone who initially wasn’t keen on the peace process, I have came around full circle and now understand the benefits in having two fiercely opposed Unionist parties working like good cop/bad cop. It worked during the Trimble/Paisley era and it will work during the Robinson/Alistair era.

    Quis separabit[/i]
    Posted by Ulsters my homeland on May 20, 2009 @ 02:36 PM

    ___

    [i]I don’t believe the divide and conquer method works that well.[/i]

    Posted by Ulsters my homeland on May 21, 2009 @ 04:40 PM

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]What the hell are you talking about? I’m half way through a PhD on constitutional law yet I can’t make any sense out of that latest rambling. Have you come full circle again?[/i]

    Fuck me, not another self confessed know all who thinks he’s better than most. Haughty homeboy.

    [i]Within decades, the majority of people in the counties that currently constitute Northern Ireland will, in accordance with their right to national self-determination, choose to unite with the Republic of Ireland. It’s a simple as that.[i]

    And the rest who don’t will choose to remain in the UK, which rubbishes your 3 independent country idea. Suck that up your haughty pipe and smoke it. PHD my arse!

    [i]Now run along you silly little “uneducated fool”.[/i]

    Hope you choke on that law book, Haughty Homeboy.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]Within decades, the majority of people in the counties that currently constitute Northern Ireland will, in accordance with their right to national self-determination, choose to unite with the Republic of Ireland. It’s [b]’a'[/b] simple as that.[/i]

    Fuck sake Haughty Homeboy, your doing a PHD and you can’t spell ‘as’?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [/i]

    The PhD student Haughty Homeboy thinks that once the majority of N.Ireland citizens vote to become part of the Irish Republic that the whole island will become an independent Republic. LMAO

    What do they teach students these days?

  • Ulster is my Homeboy

    [/i]

    You are a credit to Ulster Unionism. Your eloquence, fairness, intellectual rigour and sense of perspective are truly commendable.

    I have “come full circle”.

    Furthermore, please accept my humblest, most sincere apologies for the typing error I made previously. Now, I must go and reach for my rope. Or not.

    Indeed, the struggle for a united Ireland seems so much more daunting when one is faced with good folk like yourself in opposition.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]You are a credit to Ulster Unionism. Your eloquence, fairness, intellectual rigour and sense of perspective are truly commendable.”[i]

    You question my sense of perspective? LOL. I’m not the haughty PHD student who thinks the whole island will become a Republic when the majority of N.Ireland says so.

    Talk about the lack of common sense. Good luck with that PHD, you need it!

  • Ulster is my Homeboy

    [i]I’m not the haughty PHD student who thinks the whole island will become a Republic when the majority of N.Ireland says so[/i]

    Indeed, because pre-1967 Ulster democracy just don’t work like that. You could say that we’ve “come full circle”, couldn’t you?

    Little man, only when you’ve acquainted yourself with the dynamics of majoritarian democracy will you be taken seriously.

    It really is amazing how ballsy the cowards of the world become behind the blissful anonymity of a computer screen.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [/i]
    Oh, la-de-da, look at me, I’m Haughty homeboy and I’m doing an PHD course on constitutional law, so there. That makes me better positioned to debate things than as I’ll be a big constitutional lawyer some day and you’ll look up to me, you silly little man.

    Prick!

  • Ulster is my Homeboy

    [/i]

    [i]Oh, la-de-da, look at me, I’m Haughty homeboy and I’m doing an PHD course on constitutional law, so there. That makes me better positioned to debate things than as I’ll be a big constitutional lawyer some day and you’ll look up to me, you silly little man.

    Prick![/i]

    Talk about insecurities. Relax a little, study the central tenets of majoritarian democracy, work out the phrase “to come full circle” (without going to Urban Dictionary ;)) and then explain how the people of Scotland and/or Northern Ireland can be denied their right to national self-determination based on the will of the majority.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    insecure? I just don’t like your arrogance and general belief you’re better than me, because you’re doing a PHD. I just don’t like you.

    Haughty Homeboy, la-de-da, I’m doing a PHD.

  • Ulster is my Homeboy

    I don’t think for one moment that I’m better than you, or any other individual, because of my, or their, educational background.

    However, thankfully I note that the vast majority of contributors to this website lack the hatred and bigoted personality, which, sadly, blinds your analysis of politics.

    The fact that you can’t even bring yourself to admit that national unity will follow the day when the majority of people in Northern Ireland voice their desire for national unity is staggering. It runs against the most fundamental tenet of majoritarian democracy.

    I have no idea why you feel the need to attack me when I mistakenly mistype a word nor why you can’t admit to the inconsistencies in your analysis and comments. I can just picture you now foaming at the mouth and banging your keyboard in response, the drama queen that you are.

    You know as well as I do that you don’t have the courage to voice your bigoted opinions outside the circle of your closest friends and family (should you have any). Sort out your insecurities and I guarantee that you will feel better. Enough with the anti-Fenian tantrums.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]The fact that you can’t even bring yourself to admit that national unity will follow the day when the majority of people in Northern Ireland voice their desire for national unity is staggering. It runs against the most fundamental tenet of majoritarian democracy.”[/i]

    Tell me this big hot-shot Lawyer. Tell me which natural or international law agrees with the ideology of Irish Nationalists/Republicans, that because Ireland is an island and the people of the island constitute an Irish Nation that the Irish state has a right to exercise political control over the whole island?

    …now tell me what law you as a big hot-shot lawyer will enforce against a section of the people living on the island who don’t want the Irish state to have control over them?

    “[i]I have no idea why you feel the need to attack me[/i]

    You were the one who started the insults:

    deranged, confused, sadistic, bitter and hateful individual, a lunatic.

  • Ulster is my Homeboy

    [i]Tell me which natural or international law agrees with the ideology of Irish Nationalists/Republicans, that because Ireland is an island and the people of the island constitute an Irish Nation that the Irish state has a right to exercise political control over the whole island[/i]

    It’s called national self-determination, a concept which is recognised by the UN.

    [i]what law… will enforce against a section of the people living on the island who don’t want the Irish state to have control over them?[/i]

    Words don’t even begin to describe the hilarity of the above!!!

    You can have the last (bigoted) word.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]It’s called national self-determination, a concept which is recognised by the UN.”[/i]

    Good luck trying to force that concept onto 1 million Unionists.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Where is your Irish Republican island state now Haughty Homeboy?

    You lawyers need to be learn a valuable lesson. As long as there are Unionists on this island who oppose being ruled by a Gaelic Irish Republican state, there will be no such island state.

    Stick that up your haughty pipe and smoke it!

  • Ulsters my homeland @ 09:11 PM:

    That sounds remarkably like Verwoerd in South Africa and Ian Smith in Rhodesia.

    Sit down, take a deep breath, and remember:

    There are no Thousand Year Reichs.

    Quite frankly, these later exchanges amount to a disgrace.

  • Greenflag

    MR

    ‘There are no Thousand Year Reichs.’

    Oh yes there are/were . It’s just that they last 12 years 😉 and leave millions of dead behind them 🙁 . The difference once again between the theory and the practice of ideological ‘purity’ . Applicable also to Unionism , Republicanism ,Nationalism , Catholicism and Conservatism and Islam , Judaism etc .

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]That sounds remarkably like Verwoerd in South Africa and Ian Smith in Rhodesia.[/i]

    No its not. Unionists would not be proper citizens of the state, simply because the whole Nationalist/Republican doctrine is based around the idea that there is one Irish Gaelic Nation which must have one Irish Republican state.

    How can Unionists be properly represented in such a state?

  • Righeous

    [i]because the whole Nationalist/Republican doctrine is based around the idea that there is one Irish Gaelic Nation which must have one Irish Republican state[/i]

    Indeed! Just look at how the Irish state rejected all those thousands of Poles, Africans and Chinese that have descended upon the county over the last decade. Run out of the country, they were!

    [i]How can Unionists be properly represented in such a state?[/i]

    A Unionist party has been in power many times in the south – they’re called Fine Gael. They’re currently 17 points ahead of Fianna Fail in the opinion polls. Maybe you should go live in the Republic instead old boy? You’d have far better representation!

    When there are a majority of people in Northern Ireland who choose unification with the Republic of Ireland that momentum is not going to be stopped. The unionists can threaten, whinge and cry all the want – the simple fact of the matter is that they will be outnumbered. That’s democracy for you as your previous sparring partner repeatedly tried, but failed, to help you comprehend!

    Or maybe you’re just a stupid fucking idiot and an unfortunately reminder of the long, gone past.

  • Risteard

    [i]How can Unionists be properly represented in such a state? [/i]

    In the exact same manner in which nationalists are represented in this unionist statelet.

    If you reject the above then, it logically follows, you must accept that Irish nationalists living in Northern Ireland are not properly represented within the United Kingdom.

  • Greenflag

    righeous,

    ‘the simple fact of the matter is that they will be outnumbered.’

    Any idea when ? The latest projections have a 50/50 split for at least another century ? i.e no significant majority either way .

    More importantly why do you want to force Unionist people into a country they don’t want to belong to ? Did’nt Unionists do that to Northern Ireland’s Nationalists in 1920 ? Where did that lead ? Whats the bloody point of repeating the charade ?

    Why not settle for a fair repartition of Northern Ireland and then leave unionists to themselves to live whichever way they want to and to be loyal to whoever ? Whats the problem with that ?

    Just because a few idealists a couple of centuries had a good idea doesn’t mean it’s applicable in the circumstances of the 21st century ?
    Anyway they’re more trouble than they’re worth , cost too much and the feckers never stop whining and sponging . They can get away with that shite from the ‘guilty consciences’ at Westminster but in Dail Eireann it would be a boot in the arse and next business please !

  • Driftwood

    That 6/7 billion pound annual subvention from Westminster is 1 hell of an Elephant. but No problems, the Irish Government will merrily pick up the tab. Plenty of dosh left on the credit card. for the Southern taxpayer, it will be a small price to pay. Well, huge actually, but sure they can always play “Only the rivers run free” on youtube with a cheap carryout from Tesco (UK).

    submit word here-united- Aye as in Manchester…

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Righeous

    “[i]Indeed! Just look at how the Irish state rejected all those thousands of Poles, Africans and Chinese that have descended upon the county over the last decade. Run out of the country, they were!”[/i]

    Where’s their political identity?

    “[i]When there are a majority of people in Northern Ireland who choose unification with the Republic of Ireland that momentum is not going to be stopped. The unionists can threaten, whinge and cry all the want – the simple fact of the matter is that they will be outnumbered. That’s democracy for you as your previous sparring partner repeatedly tried, but failed, to help you comprehend![/i]

    The hypocrisy sticks. Irish Nationalists and Republican adopting the political philosophy of the 1920’s. Talk about being stuck in the past.

    [i]”Or maybe you’re just a stupid fucking idiot and an unfortunately reminder of the long, gone past.”[/i]

    You and Haughty Homeboy are the stupid ones, because you haven’t an ounce of sense to your name. You have no idea how things play out in the real world, with your head stuck in books trying to push through ideologies of yesteryear, hoping society will follow you.

    Its ignorant pricks like you and Haughty Homeboy that start wars and cement division. You have not one ounce of common sense between you.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Risteard

    ‘How can Unionists be properly represented in such a state?’

    “[i]In the exact same manner in which nationalists are represented in this unionist statelet.

    If you reject the above then, it logically follows, you must accept that Irish nationalists living in Northern Ireland are not properly represented within the United Kingdom.[/i]

    Irish Nationalists/Republicans have full citizenship of the United Kingdom, able to demonstrate their political identity at Government level. Being a citizen of the United Kingdom does not encroach on ones National or cultural identity, simply because citizenship of the UK is purely political.

    There are more Irish living in GB than the Republic and they enjoy full citizenship of the UK, free to express their own religious, National and cultural identity.

    …as for the Irish Republic, well it dictates what National and cultural identity its citizens should be and its still dealing with its religious past.

  • Greenflag

    UMH ,

    ‘There are more Irish living in GB than the Republic and they enjoy full citizenship of the UK,’

    Rubbish – There are much less than a million people who were actually born in Ireland (Republic & NI ) now living in Britain (mainland) . That number has reduced over the past 40 years . The Republic’s population is over 4.3 million .

    Some 25% of Britain’s population has a connection with Ireland through the second and third generation . If you go further back it’s probably even more. But this has little modern political significance or relevance to the NI ‘constitutionnally uncertain position’ or at least that perception .

  • Greenflag

    driftwood ,

    ‘the Irish Government will merrily pick up the tab’

    And be out on their arse at the next election 😉 They might still be out on their arse for picking up the tab for the RC Church. Having agreed 10 years to limiting the RC Church’s ‘responsibility’ to 127 million they are now looking at a total bill of over a billion ?

    This fit is going to hit the political shan come election time . I detect a widening of the debate following this latest report . If the Celtic Tiger were still in full flight this issue might have been ‘relegated’ to the back pages and an old story . Now it seems as if not which is probably for the longer term best .

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]Rubbish – There are much less than a million people who were actually born in Ireland (Republic & NI ) now living in Britain (mainland) . That number has reduced over the past 40 years . The Republic’s population is over 4.3 million .[/i]

    Who mentioned anything about those born in Ireland?

    [i]Some 25% of Britain’s population has a connection with Ireland through the second and third generation . If you go further back it’s probably even more.[/i]

    According to the Irish government they are Irish and part of the Irish diaspora. They continue to live in the UK with full UK citizenship.

    [i]But this has little modern political significance or relevance to the NI ‘constitutionnally uncertain position’ or at least that perception.[/i]

    I was comparing UK citizenship with that of the Republic, as you fine well know. The UK embraces political difference within these isles, while the Republic sets its own conditions on those who may come from other parts of the Isles with Unionist ideals.

    I believe the key failure of the Irish Republican state is that it demands Unionists from other parts of these Isles to give up their political identity before becoming a proper citizen of the Irish state.

  • Jonrus

    Uhhhh

    No, it doesn’t.

  • Raging Bull

    [i]I believe the key failure of the Irish Republican state is that it demands Unionists from other parts of these Isles to give up their political identity before becoming a proper citizen of the Irish state. [/i]

    Evidence, please?

    [i]Some 25% of Britain’s population has a connection with Ireland through the second and third generation . If you go further back it’s probably even more.

    According to the Irish government they are Irish and part of the Irish diaspora. They continue to live in the UK with full UK citizenship.[/i]

    The diaspora is mythical nonsense. Are they entitled to Irish passports? No.

  • Greenflag

    UMH .

    ‘Who mentioned anything about those born in Ireland?’

    YOU DID

    I quote your own words here below

    ‘There are more Irish living in GB than the Republic ‘

    Unless you believe that somehow it is possible to live without being born I fail to understand your logic ? I have heard of the unborn but I assume you are not referring I to those who have not yet been bundled into stork’s wrapping for future delivery to Mrs Murphy -C/O Ward 15 Holles Street Hospital ?

    ‘According to the Irish government they are Irish and part of the Irish diaspora.’

    Those who have parents or at least one grandparent born in Ireland (North or South ) can choose to become Irish citizens. It’s voluntary . Those of more distant lineage can be seen as part of an Irish ‘diaspora ‘ but that’s a cultural connection rather than a direct political one.

    I was comparing UK citizenship with that of the Republic, as you fine well know. ‘

    No I did’nt fine well know . Mental telepathy is not one of my strong points and neither do spoons bend when I focus intently on them – and mind reading assuming there’s one to read has it’s limitations I’m afraid.

    ‘The UK embraces political difference within these isles, while the Republic sets its own conditions on those who may come from other parts of the Isles with Unionist ideals.’

    Now what sort of crapology is this ? UMH you need enlightenment . In the Irish Republic you can if you so desire stand for election as a Unionist idealist . You may not get any or few votes but nobody will stop you from standing . You may likewise stand as an FF candidate or SF candidate in Bermondsey or Kensington /Chelsea no doubt but just don’t expect to be elected . Irish (North and South ) and British politics despite the efforts of the UUP and Tories to pretend (a la Potemkin ) they are the same (at least for NI ) are not the same . Everything from the party names to the pattern of voting to the urban rural split to sectarian preferences is different in NI as compared to England .

    ‘I believe the key failure of the Irish Republican state is that it demands Unionists from other parts of these Isles to give up their political identity before becoming a proper citizen of the Irish state.’

    I don’t believe that on the application form to become an Irish citizen any ‘former ‘ Englishman or Briton or second generation Diasporan is asked to relinquish any and all memberships of any British political party , or membership of any religion or Cricket Club or to promise not to watch the BBC and not sing God Shave the Queen when they’re in the mood ? .

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Greenflag

    [i]I quote your own words here below [/i]

    ‘There are more Irish living in GB than the Republic ’

    and why do you object?

  • Greenflag

    raging bull , ‘The diaspora is mythical nonsense.’

    It’s not . It’s a concept which many see as having potential for the future development of the island both North and South . Some of it is of course how shall I put it over the top ?

    ‘ Are they entitled to Irish passports?’ No.

    Some are depending on individual circumstances re having a parent /grandparent an Irish citizen etc . There was some talk prior to the economic crisis of relaxing the paper qualifications for Americans who cannot get official papers due to birth records having been burnt in the Customs House during the War of Independence .

    Apparently if they ‘feel ‘ Irish and presumably have the means not to become a charge on the State they may be able to claim and receive Irish citizenship in the not too distant future.

  • Greenflag

    UMH ,

    ‘and why do you object? ‘

    ??? What we have here UMH is a failure to communciate . I’m not objecting to anything merely pointing out the numbers . Perhaps it’s me or perhaps it’s you but at this point I feel having a discussion in broken Mandarin with the Polish builder down the road may be more illuminating than continuing in this thread 🙁

  • Big Maggie

    How can Unionists be properly represented in such a state?

    In the exact same manner in which nationalists are represented in this unionist statelet.

    If you reject the above then, it logically follows, you must accept that Irish nationalists living in Northern Ireland are not properly represented within the United Kingdom.

    Posted by Risteard on May 21, 2009 @ 11:26 PM

    That comment by Risteard is arguably the finest on this whole thread. I wish I’d thought of it during my many conversations with Unionists who feared the inevitable Irish Unity.

    I suspect that when the inevitable happens Unionists will be pleasantly surprised by the goodwill shown them by the rest of the population of the new Ireland, including the government. I suspect that the last thing Irish people will want is an Irish version of the intolerance and downright suppression of a minority living among them.

    We Irish have learned from history, which is more than can be said of a handful of Unionists—I’m thinking of Stegosaurus Jim Allister—who’d like nothing better than a return to the good old days when the uppity Taigs were kept in their place.

  • Risteard

    Cheers Maggie.

    UMH talks absolute shite. I can’t wait for his next illogical, sectarian rant – they’re like icy blasts from a Stormont debate held some time in the 50s.

  • Dave

    “In the exact same manner in which nationalists are represented in this unionist statelet.”

    So, your concept of Irish unity is the abandonment of the Irish nation-state and its replacement with a replica of Northern Ireland. In other words, Irish unity is not about extending the right to national self-determination to members of the Irish nation Northern Ireland but, rather, it is about extending the British constitutional arrangements that exist in Northern Ireland in Ireland. Just as the members of that nation have formally renounced their right to national self-determination as members of that nation, those who haven’t renounced it are to be encouraged to follow suit, accepting that another nation should hold a veto over them and agreeing to place themselves among the stateless nations of the world.

    Why the Irish nation would agree to do this is not explained. Is it because they love state-dependent underachievers in Northern Ireland? Is it because they love paying tax so much that they just can’t wait to pay 10 billion more per year? It is because they want to follow the Aborigines and the Palestinians as stateless nations? It is some voodoo to do with the EU? Or is it just because they want to impose a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist in Ireland? It also beg the question as to why, if the GFA has made Northern Ireland into nirvana, those members of the Irish nation in Northern Ireland are so keen to change things. Is that because they want to share their support for British constitutional structures with us?

    British nationalists will always rightfully conclude that their sense of British identity is best served by remaining within the UK, just as the members of the Irish nation in Northern Ireland will always rightfully conclude that their sense of financial prosperity is best served by remaining within the UK, and just as the Irish themselves will always rightfully conclude that their Irish nationality is best served by remaining within an Irish nation-state.

    Give it 30 years from now, and you’ll get it.