Coincidence of the week..

According to this online UK income tax calculator, in the tax year 2008/9 the gross sum of £21,600, claimed by all 5 Sinn Féin MPs on their Additional Costs Allowance, equated to a net weekly salary of £356 after tax [£355.52]. Or, as the Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams described it, “the same average industrial wage”.

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  • a northern whig

    Ok. So what?

  • mn0b

    Yes but that £21,600 is tax free.

  • skullion

    What is the point of this thread?

  • Glencoppagagh

    But they’re giving a good bit of it away to a landlord, aren’t they? Or perhaps……

  • Rory Carr

    Very good, Pete. You might have added that twelve eggs equate to a dozen. Though, by some strange quirk of reality, not to a dozen cream cakes.

  • Dodgy dealings

    Gerry Adams signs a claim form for an amount of monthly rent to be paid to a landlord he hasnt met..and furthermore doesnt know who he is.
    Investigation required.

  • skullion

    Dodgy

    Did Adams sign the form?

  • Neil

    I don’t get it. What’s the coincidence?

  • a northern whig

    Ok I get it. The suggestion is that the “all inclusive rent and services” procured by the three MP’s sharing the townhouse and the two MP’s sharing the flat are somehow being recycled into the wages of five SF apparatchniks.

    Is that the point Pete?

  • Mick Fealty

    It’s a coincidence lads. End of. A strikingly precise one, but until we get some of the answers to Stephen Nolan’s questions to Gerry Adams this morning it will remain just a spooky coincidence.

    Don’t hold your breath. Good to finally put a figure on this ‘average industrial wage’ though.

  • Dave

    The Shinners were cute hoors to share properties rather than to rent one each. There is more money to scam from the taxpayer using that method.

    For example, Gerry and Martin share a flat that has a market value of £1,400 a month but for which they pay a grossly inflated rent of £3,600 a month (£43,200 a year or just shy of the ACA joint allowance of £46,166 a year [2 x £23,083]). That leaves them with a gross profit of £2,200 a month or £26,400 a year (£13,200 each). Now if they each rented a flat for £1,400 a month (£16,800 a year) and then inflated the rent to claim the maximum ACA allowance of £23,083, then their profit of the scam would have been limited to a maximum of £6283 each instead of £13,200 each. They can scam double the amount from the taxpayer by sharing than they can scam by renting seperately.

    Likewise, the other three share a property for that has a market value of £1,800 a month but for which they pay a grossly inflated rent of £5,400 a month (£64,800 a year or just shy of the maximum ACA allowance of £69,249 a year [3 x £23,083]). That leaves them with a gross profit of £3,600 a month or £43,200 a year (£14,400 each). Now if they each rented a property for £1,800 a month (£21,600 a year) and then inflated the rent to claim the maximum ACA allowance of £23,083, then their profit of the scam would have been limited to a maximum of £1483 each instead of £14,400 each. They can scam almost 10 times the amount from the taxpayer by sharing than they can scam by renting seperately.

  • Dave

    By the way, while it is better if MPs from one party share a property, it is only better if they do not inflate the rent to just shy of the maximum ACA allowance thereby depriving the taxpayer of the benefit of lower costs. What the Shinners did was keep their own costs down but keep ACA allowance inflated to just shy of the maximum amount, thereby maximising their own profits at the direct expense of the taxpayer. Clearly, their years of dreaming up creative criminal rackets and scams haven’t been decommissioned.

  • Neil

    Let’s take a look from a different perspective Dave. 5 MPs over 5 years claim 310,000 pounds. This works out at a figure of 1,033.33 per month per person. According to your figures, the situation that generated the least money for SF’s rental expenses would have been had they rented seperately they would have been entitled to 23,083 per year, per MP. This works out at 1,923.58. So they could, easily and within the rules, have claimed an extra 890.25 per MP per month, or a total of over 267,000 pounds over the 5 years.

    So, in actual fact the SF MPs who you say were out to fleece the taxpayer as much as possible could, totally legally and within the rules claimed an additional 267 grand along with the 310 grand they did claim. So they claimed damn near half what they could have claimed? And you think all this bullshit isn’t misdirection to draw attention away from the Unionist (and conservative) politicians who’ve been filling their pockets for many many decades.

    It’s going top break your heart to hear this but SF’s hands are clean. In this instance it’s the christian thieves with their hands in the till. Sorry but our guys are in the clear – they made no profit and didn’t claim everything they could have. Unlike say the Robbos who consume 523.71 pounds in food every week they’re in London for example.

  • Glencoppagagh

    Dave
    Nice work. Still what’s the point if it’s all going into the pocket of one lucky landlord. It’s only Brit taxpayers money of course, but still what can he have possibly done to deserve such generosity from SF.

  • fin

    Dave, they’re obviously not that cute, most MPs scam the system by actually buying properties with the outcome of owning the properties and been able to sell them for a profit, increased, by ‘flipping’

    But then again Dave I’m guessing you are basing your entire evidence of a not very good attempt at scamming on a unknown question asked by a journo to an unknown estate agent and to make the figures look better you omit the additional charges for utililies etc.

    Dave, strangely enough your estimate for their profit on this scam is not far off Peter Robinsons food bill for the few months he spends in Westminister

  • dunreavynomore

    We would need to know what all MLAs including Sinn Fein take home before we stop doing the sums. A couple of years ago I remember that some MLAs were taking about £800 per week expenses!

  • Driftwood

    Gregory Campbell was a hoot on Nolan this morning. After much defensive flapping about Nolans salary, he actually gave the reason for his £800 new TV in London was because it had ‘freeview’ and he could watch the BBC Parliament channel. I had to pull the car over I was laughing so much.

    Gerry Adams claimed he brings a packed lunch with him to Stormont. How quaint.

  • Driftwood
  • iluvni

    Maybe Gregory was sitting in his pad watching his big TV as he wasnt there when Speaker Martin was making his statement. As per usual, the DUP bench was empty (apart from Sammy. It must have been his turn to show a DUP face today)