After purge of Poles, loyalists take anti-racism classes…

LOYALISTS are involved in an news/uk/home-news/loyalists-get-funds-to-oppose-the-racists-1666395.html” title=”anti-racism initiative”>anti-racism initiative called ‘The Thin End of the Wedge’. If Henry McDonald’s right about UVF and UDA members being involved in recent attacks on Poles, then the scheme hasn’t started a moment too soon. Either that, or it’s a waste of time. Time will tell, but their record isn’t one to be proud of.
UPDATE: Moochin’ Photoman has photographed some graffiti on the lower Shankill.

  • Laird.ie

    Nae, dey addacked theyelfes.

  • loftholdingswood

    Some stickers are found near a building and this means….what exactly? Proof of some supreme master plan to flood the area with stickers? An endorsement from LSCA of all sticker workers? A new manifesto from the UDA based on these stickers?

    Scraping the barrel methinks.

  • Meandering Snapper

    Barrel Scraping you say…..hmm.

    There is a tacit agreement with the views that the stickers and the c18 grafitti represents. The fact that they are there and remain so is it’s own evidence.
    If they are so serious about their training they should be out and about removing it and ensuring that no more of it appears.
    Then people might take them a lil bit more seriously

  • Rory Carr

    I know that there might be some curmudgeonly souls out there who would begrudge these Loyalist thugs being sent on a jaunt abroad at the public purse.

    I, however, wish to state that I am all in favour of sending as many UVF and UDA members as possible to Poland, providing, it hardly needs saying, that we can leave them there.

    A little piece of advice to these jaunty travellers in search of enlightenment :

    “Take care to cover up your swastika tatoos. They are not as popular in Poland as they might be in Portadown”.

    p.s. If they were having difficulties with the Irish language perhaps they might try Polish. They can’t possibly make as much of a hames of it as they do of English. Can they?

  • Greagoir O’ Franclin

    “Take care to cover up your swastika tatoos. They are not as popular in Poland as they might be in Portadown”.

    What is it about all these c*nts that they all adore the Nazi’s, especially when their grandfathers went to war to fight the facists.

    Absolute idiots!

  • Blinding

    Do the loyalists realise how many Poles there are (in Poland I mean)

    They might be biting off more than they can chew

  • joeCanuck

    The thing is, some people are so f***ing deranged in their minds that they need some “autres” to hate.
    In this particular case (it’s not all confined to one of our “races”), Taigs are now out so the Poles, Chinese or whatever get the brunt of the hatred.

  • Paul McMahon

    “Taigs are now out so the Poles, Chinese or whatever get the brunt of the hatred”

    Not so sure about that on JC. Can you see that nice ‘KAT’ beside ‘Polish out’?

    I wonder what that means?

  • joeCanuck

    Sorry, Paul. I missed that.

  • Blinding

    If the loyalists declare war unilaterally against Poland then thats it for union.

  • fin

    Irish, Poles and Chinese, obviously there was also a multi-tasking NVQ on offer aswell, and the handwriting is quite neat.

  • andy pandy

    Back to Krakow, I was a witness of the presence of these ‘nice’ lads and watching them very closely.
    After a wile ( long thinking ) I gave them no chance to change an attitude towards Poles or others Untermenschen.
    Conclusion
    In my opinion they need just plain education, which is not accessible for them in NI because of British policy.
    Until that, there will be no change in NI

    PS I am not taking the point of my compatriots but a local population.

  • here2stay

    Its good to see that some people are so keen to rant about so called racism against eastern Europeans even going as far as taking photos of graffiti to prove their point but why do they have to travel so far to take their pics when they could aim their cameras at any number of sites in and around belfast that have the kah slogan painted there.
    Is that not worthy of their rants or don’t they consider that as racist,at least the graffiti they point out isn’t calling for pole’s to be exterminated.

  • here2stay

    Hmmm…

    “Actions speak louder than words, so as i said if the lads are serious about their training they should be out painting over the grafitti ”

    hopefully they wont miss any as other people did when the anti sf graffiti was painted out on the hoarding at the markets but the kah slogan was left behind where it can still be seen.
    Is it safe to assume then that as it was obviously a sf supporter that painted over the anti sf stuff that the kah slogan is acceptable to the shinners and doesnt need to be painted over ?

  • Greagoir O’ Franclin

    There might be trouble when the NI team and fans travel to Poland for the away match.

  • Rory Carr

    I wonder, Meandering Snapper, how you propose that “they” make sure that the graffiti doesn’t appear again?

    If it is UDA and UVF members painting the graffiti themselves then they would ensure a result by simply desisting. But if it is others in their community, what then? What level of physical violence and intimidation would you find acceptable from the Loyalist gangs in suppressing racist and sectarian graffiti in their communities?

    In any case simply stopping the erection of graffiti by whatever punitive means simply won’t work. The graffiti is only a visible expression of attitudes within a community and suppressing the graffiti won’t work in changing them. Indeed I would argue that it might serve to reinforce them much as the Penal Laws only served to reinforce Catholicism in the native Irish.

    The problem, as I have said, is one of attitudes which need changing. But how to go about that? Don’t ask me, although Andy Pandy above touches on educational deprivation as a cause that needs tackling and that might be the best place to start, if, that is, there were the political will.

  • gerry

    Theres nothing wrong with opposing the huge influx of foreigners into this country, especially at a time when local jobs are an increasingly rare commodity. I object to the sheer number migrant workers arriving here, for a number of reasons:

    1) We have no historical connection with any nation in Eastern Europe, the Middle East or Africa, and therefore have no obligation towards their citizens.

    2) We have no cultural connection with any nation in Eastern Europe, the Middle East or Africa, and therefore have no obligation towards their citizens.

    3) We have no religious connection with any nation in Eastern Europe, the Middle East or Africa, and therefore have no obligation towards their citizens.

    4) We have no linguistic connection with any nation in Eastern Europe, the Middle East or Africa, and therefore have no obligation towards their citizens.

    5) Multiculturalism is an outdated and failed social policy being forced upon the population of these islands, resulting in the ghettoisation of previously close knit communities and neighbourhoods.

    6) The number of arrival of foreign individuals dilutes the already rich and unique Irish culture.

    7) Many non-EU nationals arrive on this island to seek asylum, when they have already passed through half a dozen other counties.

    8) Many foreign nationals are engaged in various anti social and criminal activities such as people smuggling, begging and prostitution on our streets.

    9) Many foreign nationals (particularly from sub Saharan Africa) have arrive here with HIV/AIDs infections, hence the increase in such diseases in Ireland.

    10) Foreign nationals place unnecessary burden in an already overstretched health and education system at the expense of local tax payers.

    Physical violence against these people should always be condemned and would be counter productive in any case. Boycotting of individuals and campaigning against their arrival and settlement in a much more effective tool in the fight against multiculturalism. When the Troubles are a distant memory, immigration will be the biggest issue in Ireland and then the real struggle will begin.

  • picador

    Snapper,

    I was disgusted to note that some cretin had painted KAH in white lettering on a tree at the top of the path up to the caves on Cavehill. Hopefully it will be removed shortly.

    Gerry,

    You are quite right to say that there is nothing wrong with opposing (excessive) immigration. However, with your talk of boycotting migrants it seems to me that you are a bit of a fascist.

  • Ferrari

    10) Foreign nationals place unnecessary burden in an already overstretched health and education system at the expense of local tax payers.

    Owing to GB’s massive subvention that is not a problem there.

  • anne warren

    In reply to: “The problem, as I have said, is one of attitudes which need changing. But how to go about that?”

    What about a mass media campaign in support of equal rights for all? Something along the lines of ads, soaps on TV, school and workplace education in principles of tolerance, civil liberties and EU fundamental freedoms, anti-sectarian and anti-discrimination posters in all public and government offices, private firms, shops etc?

  • andy pandy

    Garry,
    no cultural, historical connections you say?
    hmm…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Klementyna_Sobieska

    I could go on and on about it but obviously I see no point to educate you.

  • anne warren

    Why doesn’t Slugger start a trend and display the following (or something similar) prominently on each thread? I am sure it could be styled up appealingly!!http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
    Article 2.
     Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/pdf/text_en.pdf
    Article 20 Equality before the law
    Everyone is equal before the law.

    Article 21 Non-discrimination
    1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.
    2. Within the scope of application of the Treaty establishing the European Community and of the Treaty on European Union, and without prejudice to the special provisions of those Treaties, any
    discrimination on grounds of nationality shall be prohibited.

    Article 22Cultural, religious and linguistic diversity
    The Union shall respect cultural, religious and linguistic diversity.

  • gerry

    picador,

    Mahatma Gandhi led a non-cooperation movement against the British until they finally got the message. So was he a fascist?

    andy pandy,

    From the ten points I listed above, you manged to provide ONE rather obscure link to a wikipedia entry. My argument still stands.

    Let me say though, that immigration is perfectly fine in moderation. However, in places such as England it has clearly got quite out of hand to the point that society has become rather fractured. The same people who handle immigration in England are also responsible for immigration in Northern Ireland. I also find it hard to believe that some foreign nationals have always dreamed of living in NI. Its more a case of they have arrived in England and been housed over here by the Home Office due to an already overcrowded system.

    Lastly I would like to point out that if the local political parties grew a set of balls and challenged the mantra of ‘immigration is good’ by pressing for tighter controls, then violent attacks on foreign nationals would probably stop overnight as the perpetrators would feel that something is finally being done at a political level.

  • Greagoir O’ Franclin

    “Its more a case of they have arrived in England and been housed over here by the Home Office due to an already overcrowded system.”

    I agree, there are far, far too many people in NI. The place is swarming with too many people. So bout time that you Gerry, and a few others fucked off to where ye came from, and leave us in peace.

  • Driftwood
  • gerry

    Greagoir O’ Franclin,

    “So bout time that you Gerry, and a few others fucked off to where ye came from, and leave us in peace.”

    … and your implication is that I’m a racist. Is that really the best you can do? I think you’ll find that most people in Ireland share my views rather than yours.

  • Paul McMahon

    “Lastly I would like to point out that if the local political parties grew a set of balls and challenged the mantra of ‘immigration is good’ by pressing for tighter controls, then violent attacks on foreign nationals would probably stop overnight as the perpetrators would feel that something is finally being done at a political level”

    Personally I think that you’re talking plums Gerry. If there were no ethnics of any description in NI then these spides would be going for ‘Taigs’ or ‘hippies’ or whichever unfortunate bastard was close at hand.

    For these gormless fuckers the ‘Poles’ ‘Chinks and ‘Darkies’ are just an easy target to release some of the frustration they feel about their own shitty lives.

  • T.R.O.H.V.M

    Sure don’t these loyalists realise they are descended from immigrant stock themselves?