Lambegs at Croker…

Apparently Bertie arrived with his old mate Paddy the Plasterer… The Irish Tenors took seven minutes to sing the town I loved so well. And here’s the Lambegs at Croke Park… Maybe that’s what freaked Mr O’Gara?

Too good to miss… Your captions please..?

  • Chris Donnelly

    oneill

    “I make an argument about the IRFU adopting a more inclusive attitude and bang on cue comesthe Orange Order…and to think I had you pegged as one-dimensional.”

    Now your being disingenous (hardly surprising.) You decided to opt for the age-old Orange tactic of suggesting nationalists wanted ‘ghettoes’ because they opposed your political opinions.

    When you adopt their vocabulary then your foot would certainly seem to fit the shoe.

    “The Ireland rugby team should represent all on the island and its policy on anthems and flags should reflect that fact”

    The logical outworking of your argument is support for Sinn Fein’s position of Equality or Neutrality with regard to flags- great to hear that development.

    After all, you’ve accepted the desirability of representing all through policies on flags; so when is the New Force going to call for the Irish National Flag to fly at Windsor alongside the Union Flag, never mind alongside the Union Flag at local government council offices and Stormont? Oh how the OWC faithful would quake!

    Or is mutual respect a one-way ticket?

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    “For a flag, I suggest the shamrock.”

    A green flag with the IRFU logo that consists of shamrocks has been used for the last number of years.

  • Driftwood

    Chris Donnelly
    The Irish national flag- The cross of St Patrick- is included in the Union Flag.

  • Orange tactic of suggesting nationalists wanted ‘ghettoes’ because they opposed your political opinions.

    I see you’ve now wisely dropped the lie about the shared stadium. My political opinions are opposed by a whole range of people and parties; that doesn’t mean necessarily they’re wanting to reside in or exploit the “communal ghetto”, mental or otherwise. Their motivations as to why they hold that opinion are the key here. The fact that you’ve dropped the Orange Order into a discussion about a shared Irish rugby team illustrates very clearly your motivations on this particular occasion.

    The logical outworking of your argument is support for Sinn Fein’s position of Equality or Neutrality with regard to flags- great to hear that development.

    “Neutrality” for your party is the short-hand for neutralising Northern Ireland and as a beneficial side-result, its team, out of existence. But OK, if the propaganda is to be believed, then this policy is a means by which the underlying sectarianism and division in Northern Ireland can start to be tackled, yes? As I stated in a prior comment, there are many working within the GAWA and the wider community on both sides, whom I believe have proven are genuine in opposing sectarianism and the consolidation of the communal sporting, social and cultural ghettoes- those are the people whose ideas I consequently will listen to. Quite frankly, there is nothing that I’ve read from you on your time on Slugger or seen in action (as opposed to words) from your party which indicates the same genuineness and that you should be delivered the same amount of respect when you deliver your solutions.

    After all, you’ve accepted the desirability of representing all through policies on flags; so when is the New Force going to call for the Irish National Flag to fly at Windsor alongside the Union Flag, never mind alongside the Union Flag at local government council offices and Stormont? Oh how the OWC faithful would quake!

    The IFA may be the oldest and original footballing association on the island, but they no longer claim to administer football on the whole island. They do not therefore, quite correctly, fly the flag of the Republic of Ireland at Windsor. The IRFU, on the other hand, is not an organization which limits itself solely to the ROI, it governs rugby on the whole island. Its emblems and anthem policy should reflect that fact. And coincidently, it could be argued that the FAI, now that it has decided to select players born in Northern Ireland, that it is laying claim to the same all-island basis as the IRFU, many of its fans who live were born and live in Northern Ireland certainly do. That being the case, will there be a recognition of the *fact* with more inclusive all-island and not just ROI and Irish nationalist symbols at Landsdowne? It would be interesting to see ther reaction of some of their NI-based fans, if there was.

  • Paul O’Toole

    [i]Will the pair of boys from Bessbrook be invited next time Armagh are playing in Croker? Will they come? [/i]

    Now that would be a step forward, I have said it elsewhere on here that I would love to see more intermingling of Irish culture.

    I remember travelling on the train to Dublin when ulster played in the Heiniken Cup final at Landsdowne
    and hearing a few comments along the lines of how we were going to “show the fenians how it’s done”, at the ground there were huge numbers of Dubs (or for all I know people from all over ireland) cheering for Ulster and the Craic in the stands was great.

    On the way back I heard at least one of those who were making some of the anti Irish comments on the way down commenting on how great the Irish boys in the stands were and how they would go and support any of the provinces from now on.

    The more that the idea of two seperate communities is broken down the sooner people will realise that there is nothing to fear.

  • Doctor Who

    Chris

    I apologise if the swear words on the other post offended you, but I still stand by my point that you don´t believe that the IFA where pushing an “Ulster Is British” agenda, Chris you really aren´t that stupid.

    Now the next time you and Kensei cuddle up for a ROI match in the pub or on the sofa bring some ear plugs, for you know how your mini me can react.

    “Regarding a flag for the Six Counties, I’m personally quite open to such a discussion and know many nationalists and republicans of a similar mind.”

    Interesting, as so far from nationalist quarters all i see are an outlined map of NI wih a X through it. Do you have any suggestions yourself? I quite like the cross of St.Patrick with the red hand in the middle on a green background.

    “However, don’t confuse such openness with a willingness to jettison allegiance to the Irish National flag, an allegiance many unionists like yourself find it beyond them to acknowledge.”

    I take it you are referring to the national flag of the Republic Of Ireland, which was designed and implemented without consulting unionists, so therefore can never represent the whole of Ireland. Furthermore I have stood and honoured the ROI flag on many occasions at Landsdowne Road. Unionists may show dignity on such occasions, it doesn´t men they agree with the set up, irrespective what the very middle class Ed Curran may think. If the flag of ROI represents you fine, you cannot expect it to represent unionists, neither do I expect the Union flag to represent nationalists. The best solution is a neutral non political shared emblem, to be used by the IFA, NIAC etc. and which can be flown together with the ROI flag at at Irish rugby matches, irrespective if that match was in Dublin or Belfast. It would be asking too much for the GAA to adopt this neutrality, as is would be beyond that organisation.

    If the IFA and supporters wanted this then it would be decided on the basis of what is good for NI football and not some token gesture to nationalists.

  • blandy

    Charles

    The rugby team = ROI + NI therefore both flags

    NI = NI therefore one NI flag

    Simple!