Harman warns of BNP victory at Euro poll

Labours Deputy Leader has warned of a BNP victory at the European elections scheduled for June.

This has become a regular statement made by Labour on the eve of elections. A warning to all ‘stay at home’ voters perhaps?

However it is a reaction to problems they face (particularly Labour) in their own constituencies. When White-British working-classes are tempted to vote for the BNP in reaction to job losses and an increase in the immigrant population, particularly as we face drastic job losses this year coupled with an open border policy.

  • Why do ‘you people’ always assume it is only white working class people who vote for the BNP, it displays a startling ignorance about the history of European fascism and its core support base.

    This is normally done because of middle class prejudice, i e, a belief that we workers are so stupid we will vote en mass for Nazis, when in reality, historically the organized working class has been the bedrock of the opposition to fascism and still is to this day.

    We workers have done a lot of stupid things in our time, but supporting Nazis en mass has never been one of them, unlike the European lower middle class and sections of the middle class. If you look at where the BNP polls well, it is in constituencies and wards which are dominated by the lower middle classes and the ‘underclass.’.

  • Dewi

    They a very close second in a by-election on Thursday.

    Bexley by-election

  • picador

    The Tories under Thatcher tried to destroy the British working class. New Labour under Blair and Brown betrayed what was left of it. The only thing preventing the rise of the BNP is the first-past-the-post electoral system.

  • cynic

    This is typical Herman nonsense.

    The BNP is a fringe party but play the race card and try to get get ethnic minority voters out to vote Labour to stop the supposed bogeyman.

    Labour’s real concern is that the Conservatives will stuff them.

  • picador

    Of course Labour cynically plays the race card itself. More immigration = more ethic minority votes in the bank.

  • picador

    Sorry, I meant ‘ethnic minority’.

  • Ger

    If centrist parties ignore immigration’s downsides to solely focus on its benefits then they will lose the argument to people like the BNP who will give voice to valid concerns people have but then adding their own right wing twist.
    That will be a sad day for all.

    As regard whether they will get a seat then maybe who knows they got 4.9% in the last election and i guess they would be looking for an increase on that as a basic goal. Considering the climate in the UK then i would think they will go higher.

  • Ger

    You make a good point, to allow tens of thousands of extra newcomers into the country, without explaining why to the host community, let alone providing additional funding to their local councils so that they can provide the necessary infrastructure, like schools, GPs, etc; and then to attempt to demonize that community when they ask uncomfortable question or turn to racist organizations like the BNP; is the hight of hypocrisy on the part of Harman and her LP colleagues.

    Although I see no reason to panic as most working class people are not racist to the core as they are often portrayed in the media. What has happened in the past is the likes of the BNP do well when the Tories fail to offer a viable alternative. Only then have working class and lower middle class Tory voters turned to the BNP and before them the NF.

    Whether this will happen at the next EU/General election remains to be seen, myself I wonder if the BNP might have reached its peak, although having said this one should never be complacent about Nazis.

  • blinding

    Would it ever occur to labour to help the people that have traditionally supported the party.

  • pith

    “Would it ever occur to labour to help the people that have traditionally supported the party.”

    Are peerages not enough for them anymore?

  • Valenciano

    “When White-British working-classes are tempted to vote for the BNP in reaction to job losses and an increase in the immigrant population, particularly as we face drastic job losses this year coupled with an open border policy.”

    A statement which is based on the highly dubious belief that the immigrant population will increase. This is unlikely as only an optimist or an imbecile would move from Eastern Europe to Britain in order to better their life now.

    The number of Poles leaving Britain now outnumbers those entering see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3378877.ece

    This article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/3248852/Polish-immigrants-leaving-Britain-What-the-Poles-did-for-us.html

    gives a good account of why. Wages have doubled in Eastern Europe in the last three or four years but in Britain they’ve remained stagnant. Add to that mix a virtual collapse in the pound.

    To give an example, in September 2005, the average take home wage in Latvia was 177 Lats, then about 175 pounds so a move to UK to quadruple your income by earning the minimum wage of just over 700 pounds was indeed desirable.

    Fast forward to now and the average net wage in Latvia is 400 Lats (£540). That’s the official figure – the real figure has been estimated to be at least 450 lats (£600) due to the practice of paying part of the salary under the counter. So leaving friends and family behind to move to the UK to earn the current minimum of about £800 isn’t seen as a smart move now, since most of that will be swallowed by higher rent and transport costs. So any BNP scaremongering over floods of immigrants is likely to be “great big white lies”, but then isn’t that what we’ve come to expect from them?

  • Dave

    The UK can thank its low level of unemployment benefit for immigrants departing as the work vanishes. In Ireland, with minimum unemployment benefit of €885 per month being higher than the minimum wage in most of the countries in the EU (€61.43 per month in Bulgaria and 158.50 per month in Estonia, for example), it makes sense for those immigrants to claim unemployment benefit in Ireland rather than seek work in countries where they will be paid considerably less than that for working (if they can find a job). Anyway, we’ll soon find out how ‘friendly’ the Irish are when they are competing against immigrants for jobs and social housing.

  • Dewi

    mimimun UB of 885 euros??? per month???

  • Dave

    That’s right, Dewi. It’s €204.30 per week (204.30 x 52 ÷ 12 = 885).

    Now for your next question, can you tell me how many millions per year in child support is paid by Irish taxpayers to immigrants from the EU whose childern don’t even reside in Ireland?

    Answer: €90m

  • Harry Flashman

    Dave have a butchers at these statistics, how does the Republic compare to the People’s Republic of Anglistan?

    ‘Soviet’ Britain swells amid the recession

    “Nowhere in mainland Britain, however, comes close to Northern Ireland, where the state is responsible for 77.6% of spending.”

    Jesus H. Christ, and they said the credit boom was unsustainable, what about this public sector Ponzi scheme?

  • Dave

    By the way, Dewi, instead of cutting this in the last budget, the government increased it to a level that “will bring the lowest full adult social welfare rate to €204.30 per week.” Total spending on Social Welfare will grow by 8.4% to €19.6 billion. The fiscal deficit will be circa €20 during the period, sending the national debt toward the heavens.

    The UK by comparison has a minimum rate of £33.85 a week (for 16 to 17 year olds) and a minimum rate of £56.20 a week for adults. That means that Lithuanians, for example, whose average wage in their own country is €594.30 per month would be financially better off returning to Lithuania and looking for work there rather than signing-on in the UK if they lost their jobs, whereas they’d be significantly financially better off signing-on in Ireland rather than return to from whence they came as the unemployment rate in Ireland soars. Ergo, our high rates of unemployment benefit and other social welfare benefits will serve to keep unneeded economic migrants in this country, rendering null and void the argument that these migrants would depart when they are no longer needed.

    But Ireland is in a worse position than the UK because we’re like a five star welfare state. Plus, per capita, we’re become even more ‘multicultural’ than the UK (thanks to Bertie’s political agenda to kill-off the nation-state): “In the past ten years, Ireland has experienced a greater rise in the percentage of immigrants than Britain experienced over the past half century.”

    Harry, scary – socialism trying to make the people state-dependent.

  • Dave

    Typo: “The fiscal deficit will be circa €20 [b]billion[/b] during the period…”

  • Dewi

    I’m astonished Dave – when things go tits up here I’m going to sign on in Connemara – there can’t be a prettier place to be idle and rich….
    P.S (Will the parish pay my rent?)
    PPS – (Those child benefit figures?)

  • Dewi

    On a slightly more +ve note. Ifyou are prepared to lose your total investment then now might be the time to pick the survivors in the banking sector….the choice is yours:

    Take your pick…

  • Gregory

    “On a slightly more +ve note. Ifyou are prepared to lose your total investment then now might be the time to pick the survivors in the banking sector….the choice is yours”

    My brother is a VP with the big one,

    I can afford any of those,

    can you sort me out with a wee credit union, that I can sub-let?


  • Gregory

    I CAN”T afford any of those!

    That was some typo. Thank goodness my heyday was in the era of telex,


  • That’s right, Dewi. It’s €204.30 per week


    You will have to run those figures past me again please, are you comparing the UK’s unemployment benefit £56.20 (it is actually job seekers allowance and pays£60.50*) with a similar Irish benefit which you claim is 240.40 euros. Or have you added in other benefits which someone who is unemployed in the RoI may; or may not be entitled to. Perhaps you could post the benefits and the amount they pay per individual?

    It seems to me those who go on about the size of the national debt are caught in a 1930s way of thinking, i e cut public spending during a recession, especially benefits and public services, which if implemented would be for millions of people a recipe for disaster, as the 1930s proved.

    The only criteria is to get that cash into the economy and there is few better ways to do this than increasing state benefits, as the people who live on them are more likely to spend the extra cash than almost any other group.

    When Cameron’s and his mates in the media start going on about the national debt it is because like in the 1930s, they wish to solve an economic crises that was created by the greed of the wealthy, at the expense of the less well of economically. Anyone who falls for this old chestnut is either an idiot or very wealthy and thus would be a beneficiary of it.


  • Mack

    Dewi, Dave

    Yes the parish will pay your rent. The government is currently putting a floor under falling Irish rents (with rental supply having increased by a factor of at least 5 in the last year, by extension they are also damping the rate of fall in house prices with tax payers money), by subsidising rents to the tune €1000-1200 per month.

  • Well, if Ms Harperson says it, it must be true. Remembering that BNP core support is Labour, I suppose she has cause to worry.