Sinn Fein compare Gregory Campbell to a Nazi

The Newsletter and the BBC are reporting that the youth wing of Sinn Fein (Ógra Shinn Féin) has had a blog with a picture of Gregory Campbell superimposed on a body wearing Nazi regalia. Mr. Campbell seems less than impressed and apparently said he was “quite happy Sinn Féin are unhappy with me but a boundary had been crossed…The irony will not be lost on people that this is the youth wing of an organisation that has had fascist tendencies calling a democrat a fascist.”
According to the Newsletter SF MLA Barry McElduff said he would pass on the comments to his party colleagues. Since the blog has apparently been there since July; it seems surprising that no SF leaders were aware of it previously.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘calling a democrat a fascist’

    This from a guy who (as one commenter once said) was the only man in the world proud to admit he protested AGAINST civil rights.

  • Mark McGregor

    They also had a recent entry singing the praises of Stalin (admittedly they had a counter-argument too)

  • kensei

    All youth wings are full of idiots. Anyway, if you believe in free speech then, yes, someone can doctor a picture and compare you to a Nazi, and he’s hardly the first politican that has happened to.

    this is the youth wing of an organisation that has had fascist tendencies calling a democrat a fascist.

    That is kind of beyond parody though.

  • Dec

    Technically, they’re comparing him with Josef Goebbels who,in his role as Minister of Information, sought to destroy any cultural expression that didn’t fit in with his own narrow definitions of ‘German-ness’. Given Campbell’s self-admitted hatred of Irish culture and his inability to use his office as anything more than a platform for attacks on Irish culture (and the Celtic Football club) can you think of a more suitable comparison?

  • ZoonPol

    Maybe we should adopt Ireland’s policy when it comes to minority cultures.

  • Granni Trixie

    Is this not following in a good old SF youth tradition – I seem to remember reading in a newspaper a few years ago that did they produced paper Easter lily badges with a petrol bomb in the centre,responding to their SF elders who questioned them, that they had no sense of humour.

  • ulsterfan

    Before SF compare anyone to being a Nazi perhaps they should recall the actions of former members, Sean Russell for a start, and how SF expressed their anti semitism towards the Jewish community in the early part of last century when with the help and support of some clergy drove Jews from Cork and carried out similar attacks in Dublin.
    Do you ever wonder why there has been such a small Jewish community in Ireland.
    Just look at the history of SF and their antics in the second WW and willingness to do Hitlers Evil work if he invaded Ireland which they encouraged by sending Russell to Germany to negotiate.
    SF and Nazism went hand in glove.
    Of all Irish political parties they should keep their head down when the subject of Nazism is raised.

  • pith

    It reminds me of the time back in the 1980s when there were pictures circulating of the now First Minister with a beret superimposed on his head.

  • Jimmy Sands

    The petrol bomb was OSF’s very witty logo up until recently. The little scamps. Hard to know who to root for here between two competing wastes of DNA. I’m surprised the kiddies’ photoshop skills aren’t better though.

  • Newton Emerson

    This is harmless. But there’s a slightly more fraught Ogra argument coming up over the Newcastle branch’s planned tour of the Narrow Water ambush site.

    DUP Press Release:

    Sinn Fein Youth Wing Condemned

    South Down DUP Assembly Member Jim Wells has described as disgusting the agenda for the Sinn Fein youth wing conference to be held in Newcastle which includes a trip to the Narrow Water site where some 18 soldiers were murdered by IRA criminals. The press statement issued by the group also made reference to the colour of Newcastle Orange Hall being changed for the weekend.
    Jim Wells MLA said:
    “Everyone knows that the Sinn Fein Youth Wing is an embarrassment to their more senior colleagues: this after all is the group whose contribution to delivering a united Ireland has been to run around the countryside painting post boxes green. On this occasion however they have crossed the line from crankish foolishness to gratuitously offensive behaviour.
    The Warrenpoint ambush perpetrated by criminals claimed the lives of some 18 soldiers. On the same day IRA murderers killed Lord Mountbatten, an elderly gentleman holidaying in the Republic of Ireland as he had done for many years. Despite the green-tinted, “Wind that shakes the Barley” interpretation of history that the Sinn Fein youth wing may possess the fact remains that they are attempting to glorify what was a cold-hearted and heinous act of murder carried out by wicked terrorists.
    For some time now the Sinn Fein Youth Wing have engaged in offensive and insulting behaviour which I believe is deliberately designed to have a negative effect on community relations and cause hurt to the Unionist community. It must be very easy for a bunch of foolhardy adolescents who weren’t actually alive during the Troubles to glorify in past terrorist atrocities, but for those of us who lived through the terrorist campaign of murder, such events evoke nothing but revulsion.
    It is now time for the Sinn Fein leadership, including Caitriona Ruane and Barry McIlduff who are billed as headline speakers at this event to distance themselves from these actions. The united Ireland project having been defeated, one can understand Sinn Fein Youth’s determination to engage in displaying the ugly face of Republicanism, but such behaviour is entirely unacceptable. Northern Ireland is moving on. It’s about time the Neanderthals in Sinn Fein Youth did the same”, said the DUP MLA.

    Sinn Fein response (love the mis-spelling of ‘Gazza’):

    Responding to criticism of a Sinn Féin Ogra Youth event to be held this weekend in Newcastle a spokesperson for the organization in south Down, , Fra Cochrane, said:
    “Whilst it is encouraging that Jim Wells has the time to exam Shinn Féin Ógra blog-spots on the Internet, his latest attempt to generate controversy over genuine political discourse is designed to do nothing more than generate cheap headlines.
    “The weekend being organized by Ogra Shinn Féin will include debates on a diverse range of issues involving prominent guest speakers who are taking the time to engage with young people on political and social topics.
    “There will also be a number of historical tours including a trip to Narrow Water Castle, that will allow for an explanation of some of the defining moments of the past conflict.
    “Mr Wells needs to realize that Republicans fought a justifiable war against the British war machine here in Ireland, just as the Palestine people are currently doing in Gazza. The British Paratroop Regiment are notorious killers who, amongst a litany of other crimes in the six counties, murdered 13 innocent people in Derry on Bloody Sunday. The soldiers killed at Narrow Water were combatants in a bloody conflict where all sides suffered.
    “This conference does not pose any threat to the Orange Hall in Newcastle and Mr Wells knows full well that it is impossible to control comments posted on an internet site. He only has to exam the sectarian bile that is emailed to Loyalist band websites to understand this, yet of course he always remains silent on this issue.
    “The reason why Sinn Féin has a very active youth wing is because the party puts an emphasis on political discourse and if Mr Wells would like to participate in this weekend’s event he is welcome to do so. This is probably unlikely however, as he is still unable to speak or be photographed with Sinn Féin elected representatives such is his inability to treat Republicans as equals.” ENDS

    Link to Ogra promotional video:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q8UNBHMF3dM&eurl=http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/

  • Seimi

    In all fairness, it’s not even a good photoshop, by any standards. 🙂

    Campbell is totally opposed to Gaeilge, as has been well documented already, however I hate this kind of statement. From the Ógra blog comments –

    ‘It seems the unionist are hoping to stonewall Republicans on the development of our language, the language of some of the earliest inhabitants of this island.’

    Republicans don’t own, or even claim to own, the Irish language. It’s a language for all. I find this kind of stupid statement only reinforces unionists belief that Gaeilge is a political tool, to be used against them. But, as already pointed out, youth wings are full of idiots.

  • Since the blog has apparently been there since July; it seems surprising that no SF leaders were aware of it previously.

    It seems equally surprising that neither Campbell, nor the DUP, nor indeed the Newsletter and the BBC had noticed it before now.

    Either:

    (a) They did, but didn’t care until Campbell decided to make an issue out of it, or,
    (b) they don’t ever look at Ógra Shinn Féin’s website (bit of a disappointment for OSF I suppose).

    If it’s (b) then the DUP’s intel department (or even members) are failing to keep an eye on what ‘the enemy’ is up to. Which would seem to imply that they’re a bit out of touch.

  • ggn

    I think the Nazi comparison is over used and is unsuitable in this instance.

    Gregory Campbell is a sectarian supremicist but he does not advocate the genocide of nationalists.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “..just as the Palestine people are currently doing in Gazza”
    eh?
    hasn’t the poor bugger suffered enough, what with the drink, mental illness, and having played for Spurs? Back to the spell check for the brats methinks

    As for Gregory the Nazi, well haven’t the spotty Shinners realised they are in coalition with him? As high minded anti-Fascists .. er.. familiar with the dead ends that are Nationalism and Socialism against which their forefathers fought and died of ruptured appendices on German U boats, they must despair at their leadership. Because the type of people who tend to be in coalition with fascists are lovable Ustashi types as opposed to lofty liberal democrat types-oops.

    Sorry for being sarcastic about Sean Russell. He’s obviously the scruffy bloke in the trench coat sitting in the cafe with Tom Cruise plotting for a return to good Germany in Valkyrie

  • Driftwood

    Shinn Fein???
    The fact they cannot even spell their party name right on their site, oh well.

    Could have been worse, they could have photoshopped Prince Harry in nazi regalia…..

  • Rory Carr

    Probably a foolish question I know and I suspect that I am setting myself up for some ribaldry but I just have to ask – do the youth wing of the DUP by any chance have a web site of their own?

  • Driftwood,

    Shinn Fein???

    It is the genitive tense of Sinn Féin, and entirely correct.

  • Seimi

    Driftwood, the name is Sinn Féin, however, when prefixed by ‘Ógra’, Sinn is aspirated, hence – Ógra Shinn Féin.

    Hope that helps 🙂

  • Seimi

    Ye beat me to it Horseman 🙂

  • Rory,

    … do the youth wing of the DUP by any chance have a web site of their own?

    The aspirational youth wing of the DUP has this site:

    http://quis.qub.ac.uk/dua

  • ggn

    Have to admitt to does a wee bit of altering meself, just for the crack mind.

    http://gaelgannaire.blogspot.com/2008/11/dup-forghaeil.html

  • Carson’s Cat

    “It seems equally surprising that neither Campbell, nor the DUP, nor indeed the Newsletter and the BBC had noticed it before now.”

    Or maybe it has more to do with the fact that this seems to be an incredibly slow news week – hence the fact we’re getting near constant local “analysis” of the problems in the middle east with Sammy from the Newtownards Road locking horns in debate with Sean from Andytown about the intricate details of the Isreal/Palestinian conflict – or more accurately simply having an NI sectarian phone-in by proxy.

    The trouble is that journalists here seem to loathe politicians but they can’t find a single thing to write about if the politicians aren’t falling out about something. Virtually all of our news coverage seems to revolve in some shape or form around what an elected representative has said or done. Any issue, no matter how irrelevant usually also carries comment from a Cllr/MLA/MP – and whilst they should be roundly condemned for being so willing to leap on any bandwagon, lets not forget that the BBC, UTV, assorted newspapers have usually went out of their way to seek these comments becuase its easier to cover those than to actually think up anything to write/present themselves.

    Hence during this quiet week we get the Ogra SF website being scoured by some journalist who then no doubt rang Gregory Campbell for outraged comments – and was duly obliged. Ogra Sinn Fein do seem to have all the collective intellgence and media savvy of an average TUV branch so we shouldn’t expect much from them. If they didn’t come up with the odd really offensive thing sometimes, such as the Narrow Water terror tour they appear to be organising then they really should be ignored, or more probably mocked regularly.

    I suspect though, unless something of note happens tonight that we’ll get more crap news tomorrow because in Northern Ireland it would appear that news can’t happen without elected representatives. You can’t even really blame the politicians for it – you get the chance to replace them whereas rubbish journalists seem to go on for ever…….

  • autocue

    “It must be very easy for a bunch of foolhardy adolescents who weren’t actually alive during the Troubles to glorify in past terrorist atrocities”

    Well said that man! OSF = A bunch of Celtic t-shirt/chunky jewellery wearing, pencil moustached spides who dream of days which most people with an ounce of sense in this place view with immense sadness and revulsion.

  • The original Sam Maguire

    I just don’t get Ogra SF. Not this specifically, in general. I think I’d have to subscribe to the ‘all youth wings are full of idiots’ theory.

  • autocue

    I see a delightful member of the organisation said that had she to invite someone (deceased) to a dinner party she would opt for Hitler. Lovely.

  • “All youth wings are full of idiots.”

    +1 Kensei

  • observer

    sf the organisation which terrorised nationalist communities, that kidnapped and murdered innocent men and women, that had a 30 year campaign against protestants…whos the fascists?

  • Earnan

    Sean Russell accepting German help, or not accepting German help, would have saved or harmed exactly zero jews

    I don’t think he was privy to inside info on the SS’s handling of jews, in any event

  • Rory Carr

    Thank you for that link to website of “the aspirational youth wing of the DUP”, Horseman.

    Snappy dressers, what?

    I was wondering – does anyone know of the state of the libel laws in Germany? Could Goebbel’s heirs sue do you think?

    Hitler for dinner seems like a good idea to me, Autocue. Over a slow spit with continual basting to ensure tenderness is probably best.

  • Jimmy Sands

    “Sean Russell accepting German help, or not accepting German help, would have saved or harmed exactly zero jews”

    But he didn’t let that stop him

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Sorry for being sarcastic about Sean Russell. He’s obviously the scruffy bloke in the trench coat sitting in the cafe with Tom Cruise plotting for a return to good Germany in Valkyrie’

    To the best of my knowledge the latest Cruise vehicle (no not CCO’Bs coffin) hasn’t been released over here yet. So darth a bit of a bootlegger are we? You could fit right in with the ogres 😉

  • Grassy Noel

    Jim Wells comes across as eminently sensible.

    I think I should go and lie down!

    Anyway, before I do, close your eyes dear readers and imagine the following:

    DUP Youth accompanied by senior party figures go on a historical tour of certain sites in Loughall.

    Now, maybe you need to place your hands over your ears for this bit, try to imagine the din generated from republicans about that.

  • 6cp

    Pots and kettles come to mind, but it’s a bit of a storm in a tea cup, really.

  • Rory Carr

    I have just heard a report on Radio 4 that tells of a study that concludes that the most effective music to play in shopping precincts in order to drive away unwanted youths is not as might be expected Beethoven or Mozart but rather back-to-back repitition of this:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhuo0E2JIiQ

    Having looked at the group photograph on the DUP youth website however I suspect that it would not only not work on them but would have the little darlings cracking up any passing blacks while they naughtily chicken-winged their elbows and bent a knee every now and then doing “honky” dancing while little children beamed and pointed saying, “Look, mum, just like grandad at the christmas party.”

  • edward

    An insolt to Nazi’s everywhere!

  • … back-to-back repitition of this …

    But Rory, that song is now (for me anyhow) inextricably associated with the Young Ones, and thus is (a) way too cool for the DUP Jugend and (b) thus way too anarchistic for them. In fact, it may even suit OSF as a theme song.

  • x

    Or maybe new recruits of the paras being taken to Londonderry to see the sights of their most famous action during the troubles.

    You can hear the howls from here.

    Sinn Fein like all political parties either need to rein their youth wing, Ogra, or accept that this is the face of Sinn fein today – ghoulishly gloating at the site of mass murder.

    THe DUP need to accept that they are in government with a Party that see this as acceptable and with the attendance of the Education Minister at this conference they are joined at the hip!!

  • OC

    ‘The Newsletter and the BBC are reporting that the youth wing of Sinn Fein (Ógra Shinn Féin) has had a blog with a picture of Gregory Campbell superimposed on a body wearing Nazi regalia.’ – Turgon

    Is this a Godwin’s Law violation?

  • autocue

    On the part of Ogra Shinn Fein, yes!

  • Shankill republican stones

    republican stones youtube video of him up the shankill below

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ZHLoalVFg&feature=channel

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9o0EO2qryGg&feature=channel_page

    you should just be embarassed with lines like Shankill Road what a s**thole, and then coming on here with your political insight. BIGOT!!!!

  • Bruno Spiro

    Best to ignore Orc Sinnnnnnnn Fein. I suspect the inhalation of all the fumes from cheap green paint has gone to the wee dears’ heads.

    Anyone for the TUV trip to the Loughgall site where the mighty Ra were humbled by a couple of SAS troopers with M16s? It was a war you know.

  • Driftwood

    Why don’t Ogra Shinn fein just hold their conference at the La Mon hotel? Site of another of their great triumphs.

  • RepublicanStones

    Thanks for the hits 😉

  • Shauna

    Article was very good, Gregory Campbell has been a disgrace when dealing with the Irish language and just as Geobbels suppressed culture, so does he.

    quite fitting a discription and love the quote referring to Jean Marie Le Pen 😉

    But sure don’t let a good article get in the way of getting theboot into young political activists, sure there only ole shinners.

  • Cara O’Neill

    OSF are the most active youth wing, just look at their website or youtube site and all their impressive work on suicide prevention, road safety, education, fees, housing etc yet the usual trolls throw insults over an article from July. Which by the way is spot on.

  • Driftwood

    Is there a memorial at La Mon to the victims they could paint green? Gerry could turn up and visit where he gave the order for his brave volunteers to strike at the heart of the Imperialist war mongers of the Irish collie club.

  • Rory Carr

    Perhaps you are right about The Young Ones, Horseman, the DUP youth group photograph really does suggest that they might be more comfortable partying down to this:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FvOw6glOig0&feature=related

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]republican stones youtube video of him up the shankill below [/i]

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ZHLoalVFg&feature=channel

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9o0EO2qryGg&feature=channel_page

    What a tosser.

  • RepublicanStones

    Why use a diff handle earlier UMH???

  • RepublicanStones

    Ps, thanks for the hits 😉

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Threaten to send him back to the seminary RS, that’ll teach the cheeky monkey;¬)

  • Babykins

    Interesting to observe the attempts by the usual republican luvvies on slugger as they try to send the thread down blind avenues away from Sinn Fein’s County Down Murderfest.

  • Gregory

    ‘It seems the unionist are hoping to stonewall Republicans on the development of our language, the language of some of the earliest inhabitants of this island.’

    What did the other early inhabitants speak?

  • Adolf Hitler

    This is a disgrace. I shall sue Ogra for defaming my organisation.

  • What did the other early inhabitants speak?

    Good question. Much research is being/has been done on this. They left little record of their language(s), but study of some Ogham stones hints towards a language similar to Basque. Even if that was true, there were probbly other groups before them, right the way back to the ice age …

  • The Raven

    Strangely, not much change then, as the Ruling Party ™ here is very similar, in that its enlightened view of the world is something akin to the ice age…metaphorically speaking.

  • Say What!

    Irish is not only linked as a language with the Basques but also the arabic spoken in Gaza and Cuban Spanish, in fact if anyone can think of any other right-on lefty culture lets link to that too.

    Utter bollocks of course but par for the course in Irish myth-making.

  • finches

    Yes, it’s typical linguistic evolution. Incidentally, was anyone able to understand what ‘Say What!’ meant? Perhaps his post is a new development of English?

  • Say What!,

    No, there are no linguistic links between Irish and Basque. The latter has no known relatives. The early (proto-)Irish of the Celtic invaders (circa 500 BC) entirely replaced the earlier language(s), though this process may have taken some time. More research is no doubt needed.

  • Earnan

    Republican Stones

    What the hell is up with those videos? Don’t you have anything better to do?

  • RepublicanStones

    Instead of sitting infront a computer you mean?

  • Reader

    Republican Stones: Instead of sitting infront a computer you mean?
    You could contact the MP for the area and offer to help. But if he asks you to make any deliveries to a shop – don’t dawdle.

  • RepublicanStones

    Will do Reader, I’ll get the car serviced first, just to be sure mind 😉

  • 33rd County

    I was under the impression that “heaven is in shankill”

  • Ri Na Deise

    From Father Ted: ‘I’m not a fascist. Fascists dress in black and go around telling people what to do. Whereas priests….eh…eh’ 🙂

  • Ri Na Deise

    Had a look at the article and its quite good. Hardly refutable content is it?

  • RepublicanStones

    Which article?

  • Ri Na Deise

    The Ogra Shinn Fein one linked in the op.

  • No Such Thing As An Ulster Scot

    Didn’t old Greg appear on a BBC 1 documentary back in the early 90’s brandishing a gun and talking about doing “terrible things to republicans”?

  • republican stones da

    Son i`ve told you so many times to stop coming up the Shankill looking for me, you mother was no more than a quickie through the peace line gates (literally), please cross back over the peace line to the ghetto.

  • republican stones ma

    Hi Da, leave the wein alone, it’s not his fault the best part of him landed on the peace line gates.

  • RepublicanStones

    Glad to see im annoying certain ‘types’ that much, they take the time to write comedy posts.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Maybe they sympathise with you RS?

  • Lidl Richard

    As the DUP have remarked before as he is in a political party he does follow a Fuhrer.

  • Sluggers passim

    “Some people have told me that we need fascism. We have the Orange order. We have the B-Specials. What need have we of fascism?”