“Change has come..”

After the election.. the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 5.2%, California joined Florida and Arizona in constitutionally banning same-sex marriages – Obama in 2004, “my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman” while vice-president-elect Joe Biden agreed with Sarah Palin. And in Iraq..

[Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar] Zebari said he believed Obama would take conditions on the ground into account before any withdrawal. “When there is a reality check, I think any U.S. president has to look very hard at the facts on the ground,” he told Al-Jazeera television. “The gains that we have attained and won with hard struggle and a great deal of sacrifice need to be sustained.”

Just saying.. Adds More on the “change” theme..

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  • Steve

    the stockmarket fell because more bad economic news came out and people were only too happy to mitigate their losses by selling stocks on the gains the 3 days before the election

  • Mick Fealty

    Why are you still here Steve. Red Card means you’re gone for a fortnight. See you then?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Never mind all these parochial issues – what about the WeeSix/StillPartiallyOccupiedTerritories/Ulster/NornIron etc – he is going to include a fair smattering of Kennedys in his appointments so we should expect a cross-atlantic kick up the DUPs jacksie.

  • Anyone who is or was expecting radical change on all fronts will be dissappointed but I wouldn’t be synical either. The main thing is that Obama does have a very differnt view of American power and how it should be projected in the world. In that sense he will be radically different from Bush and that should be welcomed big time.

  • Dev

    ‘he is going to include a fair smattering of Kennedys in his appointments so we should expect a cross-atlantic kick up the DUPs jacksie’

    Apparently Robert Kennedy Jnr is being made Environment Secretary (or whatever that position is called over there) so maybe him and Sammy Wilson could have a throw down?

  • IRIA

    Weird post.

    Re Kennedys: Caroline Kennedy is the one who will be appointed something. Education?

    In other news, Sarah Palin, many of your dreamboat, didn’t know Africa was a continent and thought South Africa was just the southern most part of the country.

  • Dewi

    “In other news, Sarah Palin, many of your dreamboat, didn’t know Africa was a continent and thought South Africa was just the southern most part of the country.”

    And that Reilly bloke on Fax said “So what? she would have soon learned…..”

  • Greenflag

    Senator John Kerry may be the new Secretary of State so change in Iraq can be expected .

    With all this mention of Kennedy’s has there been any news recently on recently on Senator Ted Kennedy’s health ?

    ‘so we should expect a cross-atlantic kick up the DUPs jacksie’’

    Naw. NI is a non issue -unless of course if the natives start eating/killing each other by the thousand or some such . If Gordon or Biffo are keeping as far away as possible from the political leper of the western world why would an American newly elected President get involved ? I’d say Mr Obama’s focus will be economic for the first couple of years . A change of emphasis can be expected in the Middle East and that will be enough to be going on with .

    If NI was 29th in the list of political priorities for people in the Irish Republic’s last election and is now at the bottom of a very long list in Gordon Brown’s priorities why would anyone think that the new American President would give this molly coddled region much more than the time of day ?

    Yiz are on yer own so make the best of it and if yiz don’t like it then just redraw the border and be done with it !

  • ulsterfan

    Obama will give us three or four hours attention each year on St Patrick’s Day and forget about us the remainder of the year.
    No threat or help to anyone.

  • susan

    History. Hope. Change. They are more than words only with vision and will, commitment and consensus, and now the real work begins.

    Greenie, Ted Kennedy is back in Washington now, and receiving his cancer treatments there. Congress is in recess, but if as is rumoured the Dems’ call a special session now that the election results are in he will be able to attend.

    He hopes to be back in Hyannis for Thanksgiving and released a statement congratulating Obama Tuesday night.

    No one alive has worked harder or longer to try to bring more humane health care to his fellow Americans that Ted Kennedy. No one. His enormous efforts for decades in public and behind the scenes on behalf of immigrants made a material difference in the lives of many immigrant families, including my own.
    Nár lagaí Dia do lámh, Senator Kennedy. Go raibh maith agat.

  • Harry Flashman

    “No one alive has worked harder or longer to try to bring more humane health care to his fellow Americans that Ted Kennedy.”

    Well, apart from the fellow American he left drowning in his car when he went off to get another late night drink, he didn’t seem too concerned about her health care.

    I wonder would George W Bush have gotten away with that small blot in his copy book?

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    I remember Harry that you once mooted that McCain would be a dark horse and win as Obama’s popularity was only media hype etc…!

    Tell us why ye dilike Obama and his ‘socialist’ inclinations and what it will might mean for America!

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    Tell us why ye dislike Obama and his ‘socialist’ inclinations and what it will might mean for America!

  • Greenflag

    susan ,

    Thanks for that info -Glad to hear he’s doing better.

  • Greenflag

    harry flashman ‘

    ‘I wonder would George W Bush have gotten away with that small blot in his copy book? ‘

    He did’nt have to . Instead he’s gotten away with an unnecessary war which has cost over 4,000 American lives, some 500,000 Iraqi lives not to mention several million displaced Iraqi refugees throughout the Middle East :(.

  • susan

    Harry, it is a fact of this sweet and sad old world that I both agree with you about what happened that night and meant every word I said about Ted Kennedy and healthcare reform, and what he did for immigrant families, including mine.

    As for George W Bush, if you think there are no lost lives traced back to his copy book, that is your opinion and I do not share it. Funny old world, innit.

  • edward

    I wonder would George W Bush have gotten away with that small blot in his copy book?

    Posted by Harry Flashman on Nov 06, 2008 @ 03:05 PM

    lets see george bush got away with being a draft dodger, drug addict, drink driver, stunningly unsuccessful business man and a ne’er do well

    There are rumours about much worse but those are the things he admits to

  • Harry Flashman

    I love winding up the windbags about their much loved “royal” family the Kennedys, it never fails; they’ll rally in support of the weird theiving, dope running, lying, raping, philandering, murdering, cheating, psychotic bunch of mafiosi crooks and oddballs every time.

    Like shooting fish in a barrel it is.

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    …..and don’t forget that old Joe was a Nazi sympathizer!

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    Harry Flashman!

    Are ye a bit disappointed that Obama won?

    Tell us why ye dilike Obama and his ‘socialist’ inclinations and what it will mean for America!

  • susan

    Jesus, Harry, I was trying to be civil because you’ve shot yourself in the feet so many times in the runup to this election I doubted you had anything left to hang your socks on. Serves me right for trying to be gentle.

    Back to work for me.

    Greenie, I see we cross-posted. Before I go, did you know that Rahm Emanuel’s brother Ari was the inspiration of Ari on “Entourage,” and that the brothers share more than a last name in terms of substance and style?

    I think Obama will push hard for his agenda in this administration, even if it costs him a second term.

  • Harry Flashman

    I have no personal dislike of Obama Greg (and Susan, my friend was delighted by the personalised video I forwarded on from you, she passed it on to all her friends in Virginia so I can at least claim a small part in the great Obama victory), I dislike “redistributive” economic policies on the simple and irrefutable basis that they don’t work.

    I sincerely hope Obama is a success, and in that I mean a success for all Americans and not just the shady Chicago machine politicians and airhead media types who flocked to push him over the winning line with the stunning “landslide” victory of 1.8% more of the popular than the hateful, divisive George W Bush got in 2004.

    As someone who admires America and believes the US is the greatest hope for the rest of the world it is my dearest wish that Obama succeeds in making America and the rest of the world a better place and so I will give him a fair wind and wish him God’s speed.

    However if he makes a monumental fuck up of things you’ll forgive me if I occasionally point it out. I will not however resort to the infantile, childish, vile and frankly disgusting personal abuse that was heaped on George W Bush in recent times, my opposition will be somewhat more cerebral than that (Kennedy clownishness excepted that’s just a quirky bit of fun I enjoy indulging in from time to time).

  • susan

    “As someone who admires America and believes the US is the greatest hope for the rest of the world it is my dearest wish that Obama succeeds in making America and the rest of the world a better place and so I will give him a fair wind and wish him God’s speed.

    However if he makes a monumental fuck up of things you’ll forgive me if I occasionally point it out.”–Harry Flashman

    Fair ’nuff, ‘arry. Game On. :o)

  • Greenflag

    susan ,

    ‘Before I go, did you know that Rahm Emanuel’s brother Ari was the inspiration of Ari on “Entourage,” and that the brothers share more than a last name in terms of substance and style? ‘

    Yes

    ‘I think Obama will push hard for his agenda in this administration’

    He has to no qustion . While getting the economy back on track has to be his first priority he also has to make sure he delivers at least some major change hopefully in Universal Health Care if he is to make it to a second term . Paul Krugam in his ‘Conscience of a Liberal ‘ sets out a plausible ‘strategy ‘ for achieving the change which can lead to further change .

  • Greenflag

    harry flashman

    ‘my opposition will be somewhat more cerebral’

    We understand 😉

    And as usual ‘cerebrally inaccurate but of course profitable for Messrs Ladbrokes , Hill and Powers 🙂

  • The gods have a sense of humor.

    We were so focused on the Bradley Effect in California (we invented it, after all) that we could not concieve of its inverse.

    The defeat of California’s Proposition 8 was not due to the Southern California megachurches OR the carpetbaggers from the Bible Belt pushing it OR the influx of Mormon money ($74 million raised by both sides for the campaign.

    The defeat of Prop 8 was due to the heavy minority turnout.

    70% of black and a majority of Latino voters voted for the ban.

    Prop 8 was reverse-Bradleyed.

  • Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Ole Jim is sorely disappointed in the electorate’s dismally poor performance.

    Proposition R in San Francisco was voted down and with it the rights to have the very first George W. Bush Sewage Plant.

    Life is so unfair.

  • susan

    Smilin’ Jim, I loved the op-ed someone wrote about the Buffet Effect — white guys who told the members of their country club they were voting McCain, then voted Obama because their minds and their kids demanded it of them.

    Now that Rahm Emanuel is official, the Obama Administration has both Good Cop/Bad Cop in place, and both of ’em can dance. Delicious. Cheers, Big Ears, as Noddy used to say on the road to Toy Town. Parp-parp!

  • Dewi

    Where were you anyway Siwsan??? Us lot had to stay up all night !

  • Comrade Stalin

    However if he makes a monumental fuck up of things you’ll forgive me if I occasionally point it out. I will not however resort to the infantile, childish, vile and frankly disgusting personal abuse that was heaped on George W Bush in recent times, my opposition will be somewhat more cerebral than that (Kennedy clownishness excepted that’s just a quirky bit of fun I enjoy indulging in from time to time).

    You’ll never make a good Republican. The way Kerry was treated in 2004 was shameful.

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    “The way Kerry was treated in 2004 was shameful.”

    Indeed Comrade, especially for a man who had won 3 Purple Hearts for his valour and sevice in the American military while George W. remained at home!