“Since Mr Adams keeps calling for truth recovery..”

As the BBC reports, yesterday in the Assembly chamber DUP MLA Nelson McCausland “claimed [Gerry Adams] had been the IRA leader who set up secret units to murder suspected informers and dispose of their bodies” – you can watch his statement, and Adams’ denial here. Today, after he refused to withdraw the remarks, Speaker Willie Hay ordered Nelson McCausland to leave the chamber.

Mr McCausland said: “The statements were based on extracts from Ed Moloney’s book, A Secret History of the IRA, which is available in book shops and in the library of this assembly. “I will not therefore be withdrawing the statement. Since Mr Adams keeps calling for truth recovery I think it is important that we get to the truth on this matter.”

Adds Mark Devenport asks, “Has Mr Adams “refuted” the allegation?”More Mark Devenport also highlights an interesting detail from Adams’ response.

Mr Adams denied it and, speaking in Irish, called Mr McCausland ” a foolish man”.

Here are those exchanges again.

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  • William

    Poor Speaker ‘Stumpy’ Hay has to appear neutral in his position….however, I’m sure that Stumpy has the same opinion as his DUPe colleague Nelson.

  • ellie

    Well said Nelson – it isn’t anything that the rest of us aren’t thinking!!

  • While I have no brief about Adams in this regard, I think that there is little to support Moloney’s claims in this regard, starting with the disappearance of Jean McConville.

    Moloney uses a few obvious sources after the fact about conditions in the Divis flats to support just his speculation about Adams in the matter – having already set the killings and disappearance of obvious informers Wright and Kee as his precedent.

    Just read what he said about Adams and her disappearance on pp. 122-3 where there is no support for his claims.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    Who is ‘us’,ellie – the vast majority of decent people or the hillbillies of the DUP? Or are both the same? Remember that all decent people voted for David tRIMBLE.

  • Rumours
  • Ulsters my homeland

    What was Adams doing in Jean McConville’s toilet for 15 whole minutes? Planning on what to tell her daughter or a bad dose of the scitter?

  • Modernist

    UMH are you not banned already for libel?

  • Eire

    Ellie – why does it matter what we might think ‘all the time’ if that in fact is the case? Are these thoughts gonna help old people deal with fuel poverty, solve the 11 plus debacle, the maze, create a society in which sectarianism is gone? Hurrah Mccausland is a hero for quoting from a book in the library? We’re talking junior infants level here. The spectacle of other unioinsts clapping as McCausland (what next quotes from the bible, albert goldman, et al.) is ejected makes me dejected. It’s like a sixth form debate when really, you know, actually there’s a country to run and all this piffle is not helping anyone anywhere. To paraphrase Trimble when he encountered Adams in the bog – grow up.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]UMH are you not banned already for libel?

    Posted by Modernist”[/i]

    No. Trowbridge H. Ford’s repetitive attempts to accuse me were finally proved wrong by Mick when he reviewed the thread in question. People don’t listen enough on Slugger, they make assumptions too quick.

  • DC

    Adams states: ‘For its part the IRA has apologized for the grief it has caused’. It has as much sincerity as an NIR railway delay announcement.

    If the IRA apoligises can it take responsibility for its actions and recognise fully the problems caused to human life and the poisonous effect it had on the human spirit, continuous, day-in-day-out grief is the price people have paid for love.

    Gerry Adams often calls for respect for republicans but surely he must know there can be no respect without recognition and without recognition of his responsibility of such grievance there can be little in the way of respect, or at least any that is measured from within communities affected by his IRA violence. An IRA motivated by his imagined ethno-national warring strategies of militant republicanism. Perceived of having a value from a street, house, bedroom and brain inside his insular sectarian Northern West Belfast, once robbed of his seat by ‘Protestants’ in ’92.

    Sinn Fein have rights and have obtained representation via office yet I see little in the way of stepping up to this responsibility; respect therefore is missing because of this.

    I believe the biggest victims and survivors are our MLAs – I feel sorry for them and their deluded attempts at politics based on non-reasoned ethno-strategies such as this is by McCausland.

    Nice tactic Nelson, any politics though?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    EDIT to my post No 6

    It wasn’t Jean McConville’s toilet i was referring to, but the daughter of Jean McConville.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    6cos my homeland, toilets seem pretty important to you,don’t they?

  • Why am I still a UUP voter?

    Hey, never mind Adams’ squalid campaign of sectarian murder, isn’t it good to see ‘Irish’ being, yet again, used for lovely, apolitical purposes?

  • If the DUP or indeed any individual member of the Assembly wish to get to the bottom of who did what to whom in the long war, why do they not join the campaign for an international peace, justice and reconciliation commission. As it appears Nelson McCausland is unwilling to do this, one cannot but conclude he is grandstanding at the expense of the disappeared.

  • fin

    Hey, never mind Adams’ squalid campaign of sectarian murder, isn’t it good to see ‘Irish’ being, yet again, used for lovely, apolitical purposes?

    An liathróid………..

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    This second thread on the subject by Peter Baker concerns the truth about Moloney’s claims that Adams organized and directed “the unknowns”, particularly in the Jean McConville execution – what a British intelligence officer caused by giving her a second transmitter by which she was to spy on the Provos after they had warned her of the consequences if she did.

    Moloney’s story about the build-up of “the unknows” is pure speculation on his part as there are no sources provided for it.

    And the only alleged “unknown” that Moloney can provide talks about her killing, not about Adams being about. (p. 124)

    As for Adams being in the toilet with one of Jean’s daughters at the time is just another of UMH’s normal fabrications as there is no mention of such in the pages concerned. (pp. 122-5)

    Let’s just keep proclaiming libels left and right so that no progress is ever made on the god-forsaken place ever having any kind of concord!

  • William

    As Trowbridge H.Ford claims to be an Intelligence expert….it is a wonder then that he hasn’t investigated Sinn Fein / IRA and let the rest of us know who the murderers were and how many of them now sit in Stormont.

    Reading some of the ‘Chukkies’ and their supporters on this site, one would think that some other group murdered the majority of people killed during their squalid ‘war’…

    So come on Ford or are you just as clapped out as the car company you share a name with?

  • William

    Oh Ford is online….supporting the former Chief of Staff, the great bearded wonder….the man whose hands are dripping with the innocent blood of over 1770 people.

    In a better and more honest society, Adams would have received the same treatment as the Nazis at Nuremberg.

  • As for UMH’s earlier misrepresentations, I tried to get him banned because of his libels about the Chris Ward acquittal for the Northern Bank heist – what ultimately led to UML calling me a whopping liar.

    While UMH was not banned, his libels were taken down, as I recall.

  • William

    I omitted to mention, that Gerry’s pigeon Oirsh was grammatically incorrect on at least three occasions…..I must check Hansard and see if their Oirsh translator corrected the Bearded one’s words.

  • William

    Ford obviously doesn’t agree with his country’s constitution with regard to free speech:

    ‘I tried to get him banned’ says the great Intelligence expert about UMH

  • I do believe in free speech and expression, William, as this latest article by me shows:

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9614

    I just don’t believe in legislators using parliamentary privilege to defame people. If Nelson believes what he claims, let him say it in public, and deal with the consequences.

    As for my qualifications for dealing with intelligence matters, I have been at it for over a half-century as an agent of the US Army’s Counter Intelligence Corps, a college and unversity politics teacher for 30 years, a former associate editor of Eye Spy magazine, and now a full-time blogger.

  • Big Maggie

    Is it only Unionist MPs/MLAs who abuse parliamentary privilege or have I missed something?

  • George

    William,
    I omitted to mention, that Gerry’s pigeon Oirsh was grammatically incorrect on at least three occasions.

    Gerry obviously speaks a fowl language and doesn’t possess the linguistic noose of your good self.

  • pith

    McCausland clearly doesn’t understand Paisleyism.

  • pacman

    Given Nelson’s obvious love of books, one wonders if he’s ever read Sean McPhelimy’s “The Committee”? I believe his name features in it.

  • Dan Breen’s Revolver

    So this girl was warned not to work for british intelligence after she was caught once, yet she did so again (I’m sure her handlers gave f all if she ended up getting killed).

    She was playing with fire and knew what would happen. Is the scandal because she was a woman?? If a male informer was killed he would have been forgotten about years ago.

  • ciaran

    “McCausland clearly doesn’t understand Paisleyism.”
    I think he understands some of it though, He has learned this tatic from Ian sr’s antics in westminster . In the absence of proof, talk shite.

  • Blair

    “As for my qualifications for dealing with intelligence matters, I have been at it for over a half-century as an agent of the US Army’s Counter Intelligence Corps, a college and unversity politics teacher for 30 years, a former associate editor of Eye Spy magazine, and now a full-time blogger.”

    Trowbridge,

    Are you a Timelord?

  • A N Other

    Ultimately, the bon jovis are a nasty sort.

    Speaking from different sides of the same mouth is difficult, after all….

    Case in point, the poster on this site “Rí Na Deise” posts one particular viewpoint on SoT.

    Unfortunately, he tends to “soften his cough” a small bit on this particular blog-site (see thread):

    http://www.upthedeise.com/waterfordmessageboard/viewtopic.php?t=7469

    Bollicy is the username…

    The above URL is from a non-politically denominated website; the site’s role is for people from a particular SE Irish county to discuss all things about it.

    Already this week R Na D/Bollicky has started the above thread; one on the film “Hunger”; one on the RIR march…..

    Talk about a blatant propaganda campaign.

    Bon Jovis lie every time their lips move…

  • Dan Breen’s Revolver

    If you quote Maloney’s book as evidence, do not cherrypick which parts you use of it. Don’t forget the part where he says she was an informer who was warned to stop her activities.

    I don’t think the IRA would kill someone like her, knowing the backlash it woudl cause, without being sure. But then again, in 1972 belfast you never know.

  • A N Other

    DBR,

    A general point:-

    If the claims in Maloney’s book on this topic are bogus, why did GA never sue him for libel?

  • Jimmy

    Well done to Nelson MacCausland, Gerry Adams repeated ad nauseum, no heirachy of victims, no monopoly of hurt or pain etc etc. Now its Gerrys turn and he cant handle it.
    There was a time that SF spun rings round the OUP and SDLP, they won every argument and made thier oponnents look like amateurs.
    The DUP were determined that was not going to happen to them and they have stuck to that premise well done to them. The way Sinn Fein were out-negotiated at St Andrews shows that.
    Now that SF and gerry are in Grown up politics now, they have to expect the odd political slap in the bake from a strong political party who will snap at Sinn Feins heels at every given opportunity. Sinn Fein wanted power sharing they can lie in that proverbial bed.

  • Turgon

    Most people who read this site as with most people in Northern Ireland are probably pretty clear as to what they think Gerry Adams did or did not do. Mr. Adams has issued a series of denials but has seemed reticient to use the courts to pursue libel action.

    Posibly more interesting than the going over of old claims is why has Nelson McCausland done this now.

    This may be part of a strategy by the DUP to continue the “Battle a day” which has been much more prominent since Robinson became leader. This may be cover for the possibility of power sharing collapsing, ensuring blame is seen to lie with SF for the collpase.

    Alternatively McCausland may be doing this of his own accord. He has always been a fairly independent minded individual with very little time for SF (even by DUP standards).

    As a final option: could this be him further raising his profile before his candidacy for Europe?

    It is a bit surprising that Nelson McCausland is willing to get thrown out of Stormont for accusing Adams of involvement in murder yet still to be willing to be part of a political party which is sitting in government with Mr. Adams’s party.

  • ciaran

    I would think that even if gerry went to court with libel or slander claims, win or lose, it would not change peoples opinion of him so it could end up a no win situation .Maybe better to not bother.

  • A N Other

    Technically speaking Steve, it can’t be libel if it’s true…

    As an aside, time & time again – it’s absolutely amazing the emotions/reaction that ASHOTIRA can arouse in SF supporters on this site…

    Any second now, I’m expecting the likes of Pat McLarnon & the rest of the Connolly House “Keyboard Warriors” to come along & debunk Maloney’s book…whilst in the next breadth, telling us that the world is indeed flat; that Obama is in fact white; and that the Ovalmen won the Setanta in Cork last Saturday night!!

  • Dave

    “I would think that even if gerry went to court with libel or slander claims, win or lose, it would not change peoples opinion of him so it could end up a no win situation .Maybe better to not bother.” – ciaran

    Adams doesn’t have much luck with the courts in denying his involvement in human rights violations during his tenure as commander of the PIRA’s Belfast Brigade, as in the case of Gerry ADAMS v. James BAKER, Secretary of State; Richard Thornburgh, Attorney General; and Alan C. Nelson, Director of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, Defendants, Appellees.

    [i]”The State Department had evidence of Adams’ involvement with, and leadership in, the IRA. In the affidavit submitted to the district court, the Deputy Secretary of State declared that “[t]here is reason to believe that, as commander of the Belfast Brigade, Adams had overall policy control over, and granted approval for, major PIRA terrorist operations carried out within the greater Belfast area.” Not only did the State Department have information identifying Adams as the commanding officer of one of the three battalions of the IRA Belfast Brigade, but it also had evidence that he was the commander of the entire IRA Belfast Brigade during 1971-1972. Moreover, the Secretary of State had evidence of Adams’ participation in a series of “Bloody Friday” bombings in Belfast, where 9 persons were killed and 130 were injured, as well as many other bombings. Finally, the State Department had information that Adams was a member of the IRA’s Army Council, the body primarily responsible for setting the policy and strategy of the IRA, and which grants approval for major IRA terrorist campaigns. It believed that Adams was Chief-of-Staff of the Council for some period of time, and that, during his tenure, terrorist activities were intensified.”[/i]

    http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/909/909.F2d.643.89-1903.html

    In addition, the reason that Mr Adams’ sectarian murder gang proffered to the nationalist plebs to ‘justify’ the abduction and murder of Jean McConville (after two decades lying to said plebs by denying any involvement) was formally discredited by an investigation by police ombudsman Nuala O’Loan as another example of PIRA lying to the plebs: “As part of our investigation we have looked very extensively at all the intelligence available at the time. “There is no evidence that Mrs McConville gave information to the police, the military or the security service.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/5157978.stm

  • Reader

    Dan Breen’s Revolver: Don’t forget the part where he says she was an informer who was warned to stop her activities. I don’t think the IRA would kill someone like her, knowing the backlash it would cause, without being sure. But then again, in 1972 belfast you never know.
    Quite. She was a Prod who gave a drink of water to a dying soldier – guilty as hell, to some people. The gratuitous cruelty of the tale told by the Provos to her children surely tells you a great deal about their capacity for badly focussed hatred at the time. And the suggestion that she was an informer suffers very badly from the nonsense that was wrapped around that story – a radio? What’s wrong with a telephone? (Sometimes the attempt to add a bit of artistic verisimilitude backfires.)

  • pith

    In present circumstances and not withstanding the posturing, to criticise Adams is to criticise Paisley. Why can’t McCausland get that?

  • pith

    And what’s Adams at with all that hands in and out of the pockets and vague nods to the gallery and coughing into the hand?

  • Rapunsel

    Seen caral Ni Chuilin on the news there tonight challenging Mr McCausland to repeat his allegations outside the chamber at Stormont. My money’s on him doing that this week as all he’ll need to do is challenge Gerry over the claims in Moloney’s book.

    Anyway I have no time for either party but fact are that SF want it both ways and there is a lot of revisionism going on, proud of IRA but not wanting to be personally associated with it , calling for a truth commission but not willing to tell the truth.

  • ciaran

    Thats all fine and well dave but where is all this evidence and why was it never used to convict gerry adams of the offences stated. I don’t know what gerry did in the troubles but if he was involved then I am surprised the dup have never leaked any of this evidence to the press, I mean they do like to stir the shit don’t they. And if all they have is the quotes from malony’s book then I would seriously doubt that there is much to it. Also I notice in the document you link to that the evidence they posses does not need to meet the requirements needed in a court of law, Sounds to me as if hearsay and rumour would suffice, but I am no expert.

  • ciaran

    Rapunsel, If the comments in the book are in fact libel, then by repeating those comments, mcausland is guilty of libel as far as I can tell. So the chances of him having the guts to do so without the protection of privilege are slim indeed. But I will apologise if he does in fact have the balls to do it.
    Remember none of the dup who use privilege in this way have ever been brave enough to repeat their comments in the public arena.

  • Reader

    ciaran: Rapunsel, If the comments in the book are in fact libel, then by repeating those comments, mcausland is guilty of libel as far as I can tell. So the chances of him having the guts to do so without the protection of privilege are slim indeed.
    The chances of Adams winning a case against McCausland without first winning a case against Moloney are also slim indeed.
    And would Gerry enjoy the court cases? Slab didn’t enjoy his.

  • A N Other

    ciaran

    “I don’t know what gerry did in the troubles but if he was involved then I am surprised the dup have never leaked any of this evidence to the press, I mean they do like to stir the shit don’t they.”

    Nothing like a bit of Bon-Jove revisionism. You’re best subject in school must have been history (as you’re making an admittedly piss-poor attempt to re-write it…)

    Would ya maybe like to have a “stab” at what GA did get up to during the Troubles?

    Here’s mine:- he was the prime architect & organisational fulcrum of a sectarian murder-gang directly responsible for killing thousands of his fellow societymen/women; caused destruction & misery to thousands more lives (victims/those injured, ect) & “scorched” the NI economy to a near-standstill….

    Hardly Mary Feckin’ Poppins, now – is he???

    Regards
    ANO

  • diesel dan

    Folkies, did Ian Paisley the leader of the DUP once make allegations under so called privilege in Westminister about a man / men that were totally innocent from South Armagh vis a vis killings at Whitecross? Does anyone out there know?

  • ciaran

    another, what exactly am I suppossed to have revised or rewritten. If you have proof about your allegations towards gerry show it. I have not stated that gerry was either innocent or guilty of any deeds , I am waiting to be convinced either way, but nothing you have written is proof or even persuasive, it is just a rant.

  • ciaran
  • A N Other

    Ciaran,

    Much like the GFA was “Sunningdale for slow learners”, I find myself having to repeat the same comment of yours to make the point to you again:_

    “I don’t know what gerry did in the troubles but if he was involved…”

    the phrase, “but if he was involved” ????

    FFS, if that isn’t an attempt to re-write what really happened, I don’t know what is….

    None who are so blind as those that cannot see.

    I’ve addressed the second part of your post directly to you in the other thread on this topic.

    ANO

  • ciaran

    the phrase, “but if he was involved” ????
    FFS, if that isn’t an attempt to re-write what really happened, I don’t know what is….

    That is actually me saying that until you or anyone else can show proof then I am not convinsed that he was involved.I mean, it is really easy, show me proof and I will be convinced.
    On the other hand just because you keep repeating it does not make it so.

  • No, buster, ffs, the argument is more complicated than that.

    Adams may not have chosen to sue because even if he could show that there was no reliable evidence that he set up, and ran “the unknowns”, etc., he still might have lost, or gained so little because of the inflated reputation of Moloney’s publisher and he himself, and bias about him in the public’s mind and in the judiciary, convincing him that it wasn’t worth the risk and the bother.

    Nelson McCausland could easily cause a showdown on the matter, but just repeating it now in print or word but he apparently just doesn’t have the guts.

    (Perhaps, he is really a closet member of the so-called IRA – I Ran Away.)

  • RepublicanStones

    Unionists and the british – innocent until proven guilty

    Republicans – guilty until proven innocent

    Right im off to get a cropped haircut.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    ciaran, you ask for proof. Read the opener (linked below) by Rusty Nail and explain how the self-confessed member of the IRA ‘Brownie’ is not Gerry Adams.

    http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/gerry-adams-was-never-in-the-irawas-he

  • Steve

    umh still just opinion with out any proof

    If any of you oonionists have any really honest to god proof that Gerry was in the IRA why don’t you release it and destroy Gerry’s good name abroad if not at home

  • A N Other

    Ciaran,

    Your trolling is a success.

    => this is my final comment to you on this thread (or indeed, on the other, similiar on which is currently open for commenting)

    Believe what you want to believe; the standard Bon-Jovi refrain of “show me the proof!” doesn’t hold much water.

    GA – like all of us – will one day meet his eternal maker (granted, he has *alledgedly* helped a *few* on this journey much earlier than was planned, but I digress….)

    When the coffin is paraded through WB/outside his holiday home mansion in Donegal (not bad for a “comrade” on the average industrial wage, after all…), it will have a Tricolour drapped upon it; no doubt, the proceedings will even be stewarded by up-standing “citizens”…

    And the fork-tongued SF-spin machine will kick-into overdrive to describe this “non-combatent” as a “great patriot” (to which nation???).

    Which is exactly what happened when Meehan popped his clogs earlier this year…

    Enjoy your lie – the rest of us will continue to live in reality.

  • diesel dan

    Ciaran, thanks for the links but despite what the leader of the DUP said in Westminister in 2001 and thereby putting peoples lives at risk ( yet again) to me here is the pertinent piece of it – what does the rest of you folkies think?

    Legal sources said the test case would open up the whole area of parliamentary privilege.

    “The court will have to decide if he was legally right in what he did. The answer is likely to be yes. Was he morally right? The answer would have to be no,” the source said..

    One of the the men named, Eugene Reavey, 52, met RUC Chief Constable Sir Ronnie Flanagan.

    Sir Ronnie said: “We have no evidence whatsoever with which to connect Mr Reavey with the Kingsmill massacre and there are no outstanding matters that we would want to interview him about.”

  • Buster

    So Mr Ford-in your private opinion of course, if McCausland does repeat his earlier comments will GA sue then?

  • ciaran

    “Enjoy your lie – the rest of us will continue to live in reality. ”
    Except you do not seem to live in reality. I have not lied in any way that I am aware. I have only asked for proof. What is the problem.
    UMH, maybe its just me but I can see nothing there that puts gerry in the ira. You say self confessed ira member brownie, but that is not in the link and I confess I never read any of brownies letters or statements.That is why I ask for evidence, something a.n.other can’t seem to understand.

  • A N Other

    Ciaran

    “Except you do not seem to live in reality…..I can see nothing there that puts gerry in the ira…..That is why I ask for evidence, something a.n.other can’t seem to understand. ”

    (can’t even believe I’m bothering reply to ya….)

    Go & check the links fair_deal has posted on the other thread.

    Then come back and – with a straight face! – repeat your assertion again.

    PS In these trying times of economic woes, I would’ve thought that Connolly House would have been inundated with CVs from unemployed graduate, wannabe-keyboard-warriors…. Either that, or they’ve cut their rates*, and all they can attract are numpties….sheesh, at least Pat Mc & Co. would give ya a run for my money!!

    * no banks were harmed & or burgled in the making of this comment

  • ciaran

    Go check the other thread I already replied to it.
    I am not a member of sinn fein, I do not speak for them I have never been near connelly house so what on earth are you on about?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    anyone got a list handy of what G.A. (golden arse) actually was reported to have been involved in?

  • Reader

    RepublicanStones: Unionists and the british – innocent until proven guilty
    Republicans – guilty until proven innocent

    Was Billy Wright a murderer? (Don’t worry – he can’t sue)

  • Since this mindless race to oblivion that Peter Baker set up about Ed Moloney’s and Nelson McCausland’s obvious libels of Gerry Adams about “the unknowns” goes on endlessly, what are the odds about which mindless thread reaching 100 posts first?

  • Dave

    So, Trow, if Moloney is out of the loop, how did he know where Ms McConville’s body was buried and the method of her murder four years before her body was found and before the coroner confirmed the method of her murder (a single bullet to the back of her head)? Contrary to your spin, Moloney isn’t the source of the information that Mr Adams was the commander of PIRA’s Belfast Brigade at the time of her murder, nor is he inccorrect to assert that her murder would require the sanction of that commander.

  • Big Maggie

    what are the odds about which mindless thread reaching 100 posts first?

    I’m betting on this one. I hereby make this mindless post.

  • Dave

    Incidentally, many of those who served under Mr Adams during his tenure and who now regard SF/PIRA as sell-outs may well be tempted to use any legal challenge by Mr Adams denying claims that he was the commander who ordered the murder of Jean McConville to put the record straight and to land Mr Adams in a whole heap of legal trouble re perjury. He’d be a very silly boy to try his luck. Marion Price, for example, is on record as stating that Gerry Adams was her commander at that time and that he directed her terrorist attacks.

  • Big Maggie

    Dave

    What’s with the ‘Mr’ Adams? Three times in one post.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Was Billy Wright a murderer? (Don’t worry – he can’t sue)’

    He was never convicted of such. He was convicted of loyalist activities and threatening to kill wasn’t he? Perhaps you have some info.

  • pith

    There is something very sad about the ironic applause of DUP MLAs as McCausland left the chamber.

  • Dave,

    I would have thought there is about as much chance as Ireland being reunited by 1916 for Marion or any other volunteer who may, or may not have served with Gerry Adams testifying against him in a British court. Not least because they would refuse to recognize the legality of such Courts and being a very intelligent fellow you know this only to well.

    I have said a few cross words about Mr Adams myself and I apologies if I appear pompous, but this thread is one of the most infantile that I have read on slugger. Without Mr Adams there would be no Stormont for Mr McCausland and his party to pontificate and make mischief in.

    Put the thread out of its misery, poor dear.

  • Dave

    Mick Hall, there is a circular argument at work: without Gerry Adams (and his ilk of malignant self-serving organisers and controllers of violence) there would be on Jean McConvilles for “for Mr McCausland and his party to pontificate” about. It is good they decided to stop murdering people, but they don’t merit any gratitude or reward for no longer doing what they had no right to do, i.e. blow shoppers to bits or shoot a mother of ten in the back of her head.

  • Dave

    “What’s with the ‘Mr’ Adams? Three times in one post.”

    Sorry, it’s a way I have of being formal with people I don’t like.

    Anyway, perhaps this thread has served a purpose: Shinners now think it defames a person’s good standing to be associated with the Provos. 😉

  • Just to help make ‘Big Maggie’ right yet again, I shall respond to Dave’s latest spin.

    I have never said anything about Ed Moloney being in or out of any loop.

    I did say that he did use a source, an “unknown”, to detail the execution and burial of Jean McConville (p. 124), but he made no mention there of GA being involved in any way.

    And I said nothing about Moloney being the source of the claim that GA was the commander of the IRA’s Belfast Brigade.

    I have repeatedly said that Moloney was his own source for the wild claims that GA was the innovator of “the unknown” squads, and used them on many occasions. (p. 122)

    In sum, you can just stop your own spin aka shite about what I am doing.

  • For the latest on the suspension of MLA McCausland, see this link:

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/mla-remains-defiant-after-being-suspended-14035046.html

    Note that McCausland does not repeat the substance of its libels, only its source, and leaves it to the unknown writer of the story to state what McCausland said in the Assembly under parliamentary privilege.

    Unless IRA (I Ran Away) McCausland shows he really has conviction aka balls about his claims, there is no chance of GA going to court over this injustice.

  • Anyway, perhaps this thread has served a purpose: Shinners now think it defames a person’s good standing to be associated with the Provos. 😉

    Dave

    I LOL

  • Buster

    Trowbridge H. Timelord-how many excuses does Adams need to avoid putting the issue under legal scrutiny? Are you his legal advisor? You seem to be very sure about his legal strategy.

    Your logic is hard follow.

    …”Adams may not have chosen to sue because even if he could show that there was no reliable evidence that he set up, and ran “the unknowns”, etc., he still might have lost, or gained so little because of the inflated reputation of Moloney’s publisher and he himself, and bias about him in the public’s mind and in the judiciary, convincing him that it wasn’t worth the risk and the bother.”…

    So, if McCausland now repeats the substance of the libel without parliamentary priviledge it would now be worth the “risk and the bother”? How has the situation materially altered?

    The question would appear not to be about McCauslands alleged cowardice but GA’s fear that any kind of scrutiny into this issue would raise more fundamental issues such as his membership and position in an organisation that was engaged in a campaign of terror and murder.

    You appear to be an apologist for the behaviour of that organisation and for Gerry Adams’ role in it. Contentions otherwise are risible.

  • money

    buster, i dont think mccausland would be prepared to put his money where his mouth is…just in case

  • pith

    Any chance of McCausland heading towards TUV now that he is off message in the DUP?

  • An IRA motivated by his imagined ethno-national warring strategies of militant republicanism. Perceived of having a value from a street, house, bedroom and brain inside his insular sectarian Northern West Belfast, once robbed of his seat by ‘Protestants’ in ‘92.
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