Sinn Féin make late application for Belfast parade

Back in August, Brian valiantly attempted to get a debate going about parades and “tolerating things you don’t like, provided they don’t threaten you.” Whilst Mark thought the Royal Irish Regiment homecoming parade in Belfast on 2 November had chosen to include a “needlessly provocative gesture” en route.. Now, as UTV reports, Sinn Féin have lodged a late application with the Parades Commission for a parade in Belfast for up to 500 people on the same day, to start 45 mins before the RIR parade. The Sinn Féin parade is to take in Bank Square, Chapel Lane, Castle Street, Castle Junction, Donegall Place.

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  • Provos adopting Paisleyite tactics against NICRA for their own uses. This coalition thing is going too far.

  • Driftwood

    Date of Parade 2nd November 2008
    Date that Parade is to be Considered 22nd November 2008

    From the commissions website.
    Something wrong here???

    I doubt the PC will allow this. The beverage of choice of the average SF supporter is Tennents Super, so even if they manage to get some activists up in time they will have forgotten what they are protesting against.

  • Rory

    May we take it then, Pete, that, in the spirit of Brian Walker’s remarks, if you are not threatened by the Sinn Fén march you will be happy to tolerate it even if you don’t like it?

    Do we know by the way the purpose of the SF parade? A parade to demonstrate solidarity with the bereaved of the countless thousands of innocents murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan with the willing assistance of British forces might be appropriate.

  • DC

    If it’s a counter-protest I wonder what the Irish-loving Americans will think, both wars are actually their own wars, which the British attached themselves to after 9/11 attacks on Western democracy and values.

    It would appear this is a home-coming parade for Afghanistan service personnel and Afghanistan actually has a multi-national coalition supporting that particular fight, whereas Iraq does not.

    Interesting.

  • oneill

    Do we know by the way the purpose of the SF parade?

    Usual. No Brits (even if they’re Irish) Here.

  • PeaceandJustice

    Rory – “Do we know by the way the purpose of the SF parade? A parade to demonstrate solidarity with the bereaved of the countless thousands of innocents murdered”

    A parade by Sinn Fein PIRA who murdered and injured thousands of innocent people .. to show solidarity with thousands of innocents murdered. Yeah, right. It’s the usual Sinn Fein PIRA, trying to cause civil unrest for political purposes. They really are a bunch of murdering low life who don’t have the decency to welcome home the sons and daughters of Ulster – regardless of what people think about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    There is no way this Sinn Fein PIRA terrorist parade should be allowed to take place.

  • Why only apply for 500? A limited parade designed to make a point, or would they anticipate trouble getting more? I wonder though if this isn’t an attempt to prevent the dissidents from making capital out of this march.

  • Robert King

    This march is never goin to happen

  • Pete Baker

    Rory

    I’m not threatened by either the Royal Irish Regiment homecoming parade or by the apparent attempt by Sinn Féin to organise a protest march, but then I’m not in Belfast.. I suspect Garibaldy is right about it being an attempt to counter protests by others. Perhaps Martin can let George know the thinking behind it next time they’re having a chat?

    So, being the tolerant kind of guy that I am, I won’t be organising any protest parades against either of them. ;o)

  • DC

    Gari, even if it is that – a ploy to stop dissidents – surely in runs in contrast to Martin McGuinness’ narrative about Sinn Fein being leaders, not followers.

    It smacks of following the herd, not leading – so much for leadership. And, in relation to the war itself, Gerry Adams, Cookie Monster Sesame Street lover, might need to familiarise himself about whose war it is that these boyos are actually fighting.

  • DC,

    Populists need to do popular things.

  • DC

    I don’t find anything popular about it other than misinformed people acting in a misinformed way.

    Honestly, it’s about time Americans woke up to the fact that Sinn Fein are poisoning a war that affects their way of life in a cheap attempt to score sectarian points against people who have actually put their head above the parapet, and been killed in doing so. Killed on an open battlefield and all that.

    Largely in pursuit of democratic values than succumbing to a form of Islamic feudal oligarchy – where women can’t be taught and are beaten up.

    It is Sinn Fein, that party, that strives for equality and fairness yet back home takes to the street in protest to a war that is fought to overturn inequality. Women largely taking the brunt of it like pigs on the spit.

    Fucking leaders, yea leaders my fucking ass and your fucking Cookie Monster watch – you fucking ignorant idiot.

    Ohhhhh thank goodness, I feel much better now.

  • Ann

    What a laugh, the shinners haven’t been able to bring people on to the streets in a long time, but imo this will bring them on. Not to support the shinners, but against Iraq.

    The shinners must be desperate when they need a new cause celebre, considering they don’t have one of their own now that they’ve joined the establishment.

    They really are a pain in the arse, although it should be an interesting day.

  • Billy

    Driftwood

    “The beverage of choice of the average SF supporter is Tennents Super”

    Unlike the throngs of well-behaved sober paragons of virtue we see at the Orange parades eh?

  • Driftwood

    Billy
    Don’t know, never been to one. But I take your point, a lot of these ‘protestors’, whatever ‘side’ they are on tend to be unruly youths fuelled by alcohol.
    I suspect Gerry and Martin will be away on other business on this day, and in the unlikely scenario the anti-brit parade is allowed to go ahead, some minor functionary can absorb the blame for the embarrassing result.

  • Mark McGregor

    Pete,

    I assume this is a reaction to the éirígí protest which has already gained support from Relatives for Justice.

    http://eirigi.org/latest/latest141008.html

    Pity they couldn’t have joined the protest but at least it seems to have forced a belated reaction which is something.

  • Mark McGregor

    And of course I should have noted, éirígí aren’t going cap in hand to the RUC or Parades Commission to request permission.

  • anti-rir

    It seems the SF decision may have been provoked by the posters appearing in various parts of Belfast which have erected this week already advertising a march by eirigi on the same day. Is it the case that eirigi – what SF calls a micro-group – read the mood within nationalist and republican areas of Belfast (and elsewhere) correctly and SF are being belatedly forced to act.

  • Dec

    Sorry, I’m confused here. Are we saying peaceful protest is a bad thing now?

  • Steve

    This is why I don’t think SF has read the nationalist population wrong when it comes to blocking Storomont.

    Nationalists do not want a return to croppie lay down and will support SF through what ever happens at Storomont as long as they don’t back down

  • DC

    “Sorry, I’m confused here. Are we saying peaceful protest is a bad thing now?”

    Depends who the people are and what they are protesting against? If this is an Afghanistan parade, then if SF is protesting I would like to know what against?

    I mean if Adams can go to the States and sing the praises of Sesame Street, a learning tool for young children, boys and girls, it seems bizarre to counter against a war being fought in Afghanistan against people who are opposed to girls being educated and oppose those very values that Adams claims to love.

    In the one breath he goes to America in peace yet comes home with cash in hand and protests against it with stunts against the RIR who are dying in a truly US-led war, war on terror, 9/11 terror against a Western lifestyle. A lifestyle Adams, most of all the Shinners, has capitalised party politically and quite probably – personally.

  • Ann

    will support SF through what ever happens at Storomont as long as they don’t back down

    Taken a poll Steve? Surveyed nationalist areas, or are you speaking on behalf of yourself?

  • Mark McGregor

    Pete,

    Another belatedly that could be added to this thread is; after my post highlighted the British Army parade was submitted as a BCC parade and queries were directed to the MoD, the PC altered the application…..mmmmmmmm (and the Irish News gave us no credit, again, when they robbed the piece)

  • CMB

    If it is not SF organising this stunt, the parade that day is being certainly advertised in the Short Strand which I thought was a SF stronghold and they do not let anything happen unless they approve or indeed organise themselves

  • Driftwood

    in the Short Strand which I thought was a SF stronghold and they do not let anything happen unless they approve or indeed organise themselves

    Like the murder of Robert McCartney.

  • clandey bhoy.

    CMB,
    Eirigi is active in the Strand and their supporters are putting up posters for the parade regardless of what Sinn Fein think.

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    This is rediculous by Sinn Féin and there is no point in holding this. They should just leave it be and let the British Unionists have their parade and day to honour their soldiers.

    There is an unhealthy obsession with protest and demonstration parades in NI!

  • Driftwood

    Greagoir
    Good post. The parade is for relatives etc. No SF senior politician will be involved with this nonsense, or political reationships here will sink further.
    Attempts to link this with Bush’s imperial adventurism will look silly when Martin and Gerry were getting up close and personal with GWB recently. pathetic. Can you imagine how attacking troops returning from Afghanistan would go down in the US media? Watching the eirigi ‘blue bag’ brigade (average age 9) should be entertaining for the soldiers.

  • LURIG

    “I predict a riot”, as the song goes. Irrespective of whether or not the counter demonstration is allowed the PSNI will NOT be able to hem people into the Markets, Short Strand, Divis Street, Castle Street at the same time without a reaction. This was ALWAYS going to happen once the RIR march was foolishly allowed. This regiment is totally despised within the Catholic community given it’s murderous history and record of collusion with Loyalist death squads. In addition to see it strutting it’s arrogance around Belfast in the aftermath of illegal wars in the Middle East which have left 100’s of thousands dead is quite obscene. This will be a replay of the Dublin Love Ulster day with pockets of resistance and protest all over Belfast City centre. Of course the inevitable will happen, the PSNI will turn their plastic bullet guns and water cannons on the protestors while Unionists and Loyalists turn Belfast into another July 12th. In the current poisonous political atmosphere this could be petrol on the fire and the centre of Belfast should have been off limits. Lisburn, the Shankill, Portadown would have been no problem but this is very silly indeed because we ALL know what’s going to happen before it actually has.

  • picador

    Won’t this be a bit like The Simpsons’ take on St Patrick’s Day?

    I agree with the above poster that having this parade is Belfast will lead to trouble.

    Is it only republicans who will be protesting this?

  • anti -rir

    Lurig: “Lisburn, the Shankill, Portadown would have been no problem”

    Given that regiment’s history in Portadown and the murder triangle in general, Portadown could well have turned to be a bigger problem!!

  • anti-rir

    I should have added, check out the UVF “memorial” at Edgarstown in Portadown – besides being in the UVF, they were all UDR/RIR men, including Harris Boyle and Wesley Somerville, Robin Jackson, etc.

  • LURIG

    Point taken anti-rir. It’s hypocrisy like this that Unionists love to ignore. It has the potential to create serious trouble wherever it’s held I suppose.

  • anti-rir

    Lurig, Good to see that you accept there’s another side to the story – although story is definitely the wrong word in this case as most stories usually have happy endings.

  • the future’s bright the future’s orange

    Looks as though SF are getting more and more desparate by the day. Any republican violence will be a massive political scoring point for the DUP. NB these parades are not going through nationalist areas. Images of alcohol fueled celtic shirt wearing scumbags throwing stones at returning war heroes about to be broadcast worldwide?
    I think US and GB polititions will be a lot more understanding why the DUP to not want to devolve P&J;powers to Stormont.

    Peaceful protest = no problem. Violence = easy points for the DUP.

  • Dec

    DC

    it seems bizarre to counter against a war being fought in Afghanistan against people who are opposed to girls being educated and oppose those very values that Adams claims to love.

    That’s why the US and Britain are doubtlessly planning imminent invasions of North Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia because they love freedom and tolerance so much. Does someone sponsor you to type this shit?

  • eranu

    thought the shinners had grown out of these games. why do they feel the need to do something equal and opposite to whatever themmuns are doing? thats the mentality of it…

  • ulsterfan

    The shinners have nowhere to go except backwards, to their days of protest and street violence which will undoubtedly follow this parade.
    Then they will be happy doing what they do best.
    The rest of us will get on with life.

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    “Any republican violence will be a massive political scoring point for the DUP. NB these parades are not going through nationalist areas. Images of alcohol fueled celtic shirt wearing scumbags throwing stones at returning war heroes about to be broadcast worldwide?
    I think US and GB polititions will be a lot more understanding why the DUP to not want to devolve P&J;powers to Stormont.”

    You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the case. I dunno why the hardline “republicans” cannot foresee this happenning. It must be the thickness and the wooly balaclavas stewing whatever brains they have. The protest is pointless and kinda embarrasing really and if it turns into a violent riot it will be shameful!

  • Alan

    Dec..
    What was your point?

  • ciaran

    DC, Afghanistan is not about bringing democracy to the people, what utter crap. Iraq was about stealing oil and afghanistan was about keeping safe the pipeline for transporting that oil.And any country that supports this sham should be ashamed. Fair play to sinn fein if they are protesting against the was.

  • ciaran

    should have been war

  • Suilven

    Care tell to us exactly what pipeline runs through Afghanistan, Ciaran? Oh, that’s right – NONE.

    FFS, Iraq isn’t even landlocked – at least try to procure a rudimentary knowledge of geography before going off on one, eh?

  • 9 County Ulster

    Anyone born on the island of Ireland who bend over backwards mimicking all things english and who want to die as englishmen and join this foreign army and give their allegience to a queen in a different country should be protested against.
    The poor slave-minded serfs.

  • Truth

    This is a very late and pathetic attempt by Sinn Fein to jump on the protests already orgainised by eirigi. Sinn Fein should just march along with the RIR sure dont they lay wreaths at monuments to the British Army?

  • DC

    Dec,

    Rather than trying to dislodge my argument by focusing on other states, why not just own up to the fact that Sinn Fein parades itself as global legitimisers of equality and fairness.

    Where is the fairness and equality in Afghanistan where women / girls are treated like shit?

    Afghanistan was always on the radar re Al Qaeda and the Taliban that is why there is a multi-national force there.

    9/11 was an attack on Western values, or western decadence and that is why capitalism was attacked. Adams flaunts himself in the states to drum up money for republicanism back home, yet cashes in on his American friends then arrives home and craps on them all over the place. All this under the auspices of sophisticated sectarianism re counter parading against the RIR who are fighting an American war, a war in response to 9/11 – Afghanistan didn’t precede 9/11.

    No one expected Western-states to do nothing but in relation to Iraq those states also expected the US not to do more than was actually expected. Unfortunately the hawkish neo-cons did under Bush, who has in the long run turned out to be the worst presidential leader in the States.

    But, leaving Iraq aside, this parade is about Afghanistan as far as I can see. A US-led war.

    As to why the UK-US doesnt go into other areas is perhaps proof that it isn’t imperialism at play here other than a targeting of forces and resources to specific areas where there originates a cause against western values.

    A feudal Islamic oligarchy – where’s the equality in that?

  • Hadn’t thought of going to the Homecoming parade myself but i think i’ll make a point of going now – subject to my lawn not needing a final cut.

  • dunreavynomore

    9 CO ULSTER
    talking about”anyone.. bending over backwards..” I suppose we have to include S.F. sitting in a British sponsored admin in Stormont so should we protest about that while others protest about S,F. protesting about something else. Sounds good but It could get get confusing and hard to know who is protesting about what, hold on though, I know, let’s be bold and Radical, let’s wear BIG BADGES to show what we’re all about.

  • DC

    Re bending over backwards,

    I am not arguing in favour or against what has happened since 9/11 but proving that it is Adams who bends over backwards by going to Irish America and takes their money built up in that American capitalist system.

    Then returns home and slates a parade that is fighting against those that would clearly undermine those Irish Americans and much of the values in the Bunreacht na hEireann too.

    Article 40

    1. All citizens shall, as human persons, be held equal before the law.

    If Adams and Co want to protests against this home-coming parade my advice in order to ensure integrity of message is not to go to America and take money off Irish Amwericans.

    As returning home himself to crap on them in this way can be perceived as disrespectful and in political terms re equality and fairness is actually incredibly hollow.

  • eranu

    lol 9 co ulster, i didnt realise they still made people like you !! 🙂

  • people ‘hate’ far too much….

  • Quagmire

    This parade simply won’t happen.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    9 County Ulster

    “[i]Anyone born on the island of Ireland who bend over backwards mimicking all things english and who want to die as englishmen and join this foreign army and give their allegience to a queen in a different country should be protested against.
    The poor slave-minded serfs.”[/i]

    LOL, why do you support the English 9 county Ulster then?

  • Intelligence Insider

    I would call upon any supporters of our military who possess personal protection weapons to gather and watch the homecoming parade. If they come under attack and feel lives are being put at risk it could be a good days target practice.

  • Rory

    God bless us all! Intelligence Insider has just revealed himslf as William Craig’s Mini-Me.

  • Driftwood

    The Parades Commission will simply not allow it. It’s just SF shit stirring, the Army will be well protected, and the blue bag protestors would crap themselves if they thought the RIR would defend themselves appropriately. I suspect quite a few SF voters just want to return to the ‘good old days’ of killing prods for fun.

  • Steve

    Driftwood

    They allow oo shit stirring every year why won’t they allow SF shit stirring

  • ciaran

    suilven, who said iraq was landlocked. Try learning to read before you go off on one eh!
    And sorry I did make a mistake, The americans wanted the taliban government to allow them to build oil and gas pipelines through afghanistan to service sites in Turkmenistan , Pakistan and India. These were only able to proceed after the americans went in and invaded the country. So much for hearts and minds and the spreading democracy. [play the ball – edited moderator]

  • Robert Cleland

    Unionists and Loyalists, we should all come together no matter who we are and put in a parade route to start from the end of the SF parade to where they start from, let the young lads who fought a war to keep us all free no matter who or what we are have a peaceful parade, then we Unionists and Loyalists can keep SF at bay, East Belfast come in from the East of the City, South come up the markets, all the others come in from the town and gather at the City Hall, we all should be there that Sunday to make sure our lads have the right to walk, Unionist and Loyalist no matter what you are, DUP/UUP/PUP/TUV/Orange Order/A.B.of.D/UVF/UDA/Church Groups/ all sign the parade route form and if SF calls it off we call ours off then the lads can have a peaceful parade, only allow the families down to see it and for BBC/UTV/SKY the whole lot put it live on TV for any one to watch, if you dont like it switch the TV off or turn over the film on the other side OR rent out a DVD from the night before. No Surrender and God Save the Queen, all the Belfast City Councillors MPs MEPs and MLAs come down and bring 2 people each to watch the parade.

  • Suilven

    ciaran,

    “The americans wanted the taliban government to allow them to build oil and gas pipelines through afghanistan to service sites in Turkmenistan , Pakistan and India.”

    Riiiight. So the Americans are worried about exploiting the oil reserves of the countries with the 49th, 57th and 21st biggest proved oil reserves in the world. Ignoring the fact that India and Pakistan open onto the Indian Ocean. Or that it would be easier to pipe Turkmen oil to Baku to join up with the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. Get an atlas before you embarrass yourself with further cretinous geographical faux pas, eh?

  • ciaran

    silly suilven, if you know about the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline then I am sure you are also aware of the political worries that russia has over its existence . No wonder the americans are exploring other routes for pipelines.Massage your brian cell before you make any more of your cretinous faux pas, eh?

  • Pete Baker

    Guys

    Put the handbags down.

    And keep it civil.

    “There is no excuse for ill manners and insults, though of course there is an explanation: usually, the impotence and weakness of the insulter and his or her case. Insult an idea or an institution, by all means, if you have serious grounds to do so; but not individuals: that is the bottom line.”

  • Rory

    This fellow, Robert Cleland, of “Belfast Branch TUV” appears to be urging confrontation by calling for a gathering of forces that would, among other things, “only allow the families down to see it”, which surely must be seen as a clear incitement to use force to prevent freedom of movement by the general public.

    Is this call to arms sanctioned by the TUV? Is it normal to invite “Church groups” to engage in violent blockade? Do “Church groups” have a history of responding to this type of incitement such that it is deemed appropriate to call upon them? If so, which Churches might they be?

  • ciaran

    suilven, if you remember a few weeks ago the russians entered georgia and suddenly the pipeline was closed by bp as a precaution. Then earlier there was the Kurdistan Workers’ Party who blew up part of the pipeline. And there have been other attacks in the last few years. So why not build another pipeline?

  • realist

    anyone with an ounce of wit will already know the outcome of this the dup will be laughing all the way to the bank if the protest goes off. does anyone not think for a minute that cnn and other news crews from the usa have not been informed and will be there

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    I think people in NI today, (especially the young, naive and thick), subconsciously are really longing for times again when “The Troubles” were at the height of violence. I suspect some people in NI are yearning for the days when people were systematically murdered because of their religion or allegiance! I believe it is part of the NI character overall – cranky, angry, nasty, mean and aggressive etc…with the ultra religious pious types the worse!

  • Robert Cleland

    Will Rory be calling on SF who are part of the IRA that have guns, bombs, bullets, would he like to say that they are calling for confrontation by not allowing the lads of the RIR to walk the streets of Belfast, these lads went away and did not see friends or families and perhaps saying will we come back alive or in one piece to our friends and families, there is members of the RIR that would be walking from all walks of life, Roman Catholics, Protestants, some other kind of people with these lads the WHOLE community not just Protestants should be coming out and clapping and cheering these lads as they march through Belfast City Center, think back when our football son Best was buried there was people from all walks of life walking up the Upper Newtownards Road, i am a MUFC through and through there was people there from Celtic and Rangers Fans walking side by side WELL let us see that happening again that Sunday for our lads let us all join together on this day, its easy for ones to call a protest like IRA/SF they where fighting behind peoples backs and afraid to face people these lads where not they went to WAR and face to face with the enemy, we should all stand together on this day.

  • anti-rir

    I’ll be attending the eirigi demo. Fair play to them, they forced the shinners into a situation that the shinners don’t want to be in.

  • riverlagen

    Any right thinking individual who takes up Sinn Fein’s offer and participates in their march will look rather foolish. A political party inexplicably linked to the provos protesting against the British Army on the principle that they are killing non combatants. Although I am sure that the main reason they will be protesting is that of occupying a foreign land. Is this a ploy to stir up emotions in the Nationalist community? Maybe SF see new Assembly elections in the Horizon?

  • Steve

    Do Sinn Fein not realise that the Irish Army is in Afghanistan too as part of the same mission as the Royal Irish. Admittedly, there’s only seven of them but the number is immaterial; the Irish Government has sent troops there and therefore they’re on the same side as the British. Will the indignant nationalist posters on here be trekking down to Dublin soon to protest at the Defence Forces for their role in Afghanistan. Perhaps they might like to go to America and protest against their troops too? Oh wait, this has nothing to do with Afghanistan, it’s just yesterdays men trying to stoke up sectarian tensions. Luckily the men of the Royal Irish are above that sort of nonsense!

  • ciaran

    Or steve maybe if the irish government were having a parade for the irish soldiers returning from afghanistan , sinn fein might then have an anti war parade there.

  • Steve

    You honestly do not expect a large section of the nationalist community to come out and celebrate the army after suffering 40 years of harrassment from the same army?

  • james

    ALTHOUGH I HAVE MY RESERVATIONS TO WHY SINN FEIN WOULD WANT TO HAVE A COUNTER PROTEST AT AN OFFICIAL PARADE COMMEMORATING BOTH BRITISH ROYAL IRAISH REGIMENT SOLDIERS AND INDEED IRISH SOLDIERS , BUT AS ALWAYS THEY HAVE THERE IDEOLAGEY, SO I WOULD HOPE AND TRUST THAT SINN FEIN AND ITS SUPPORTERS CAN MAKE THERE PROTEST IN A PEACEFUL MANNER TO WHICH THE SUPPORTERS OF THE OFFICIAL PARADE WILL DO..

  • Steve

    Sorry Ciaran, that’s absolute nonsense. If the Irish Army paraded the length of O’Connell Street there’s no way that Sinn Fein would protest. That’s because they don’t care about Afghanistan, as their world begins and ends on the island of Ireland. Events elsewhere matter not, unless they can somehow bring a Brit-bashing dimension to it. This is pure and simple bigotry. So much for an Ireland of Equals where we respect each others differences.

  • ciaran

    Steve, are you saying that it is impossible for sinn fein to hold a genuine abhorance for the violence in afghanistan and a desire to hold a protest march against that war. Not every action on their part is brit bashing although I have to say to a certain extent the brits do deserve a good bashing now and then.
    By the way , surely if the rir men were above this nonsense they would say to hell with a march lets go have a good piss up and remember how they were sent to war with the wrong or no equipment, sent into situations were they had poor intelligence and then left to die by their masters in a country they had no right to be in , in the first place.
    Oh dear did I just indulge in a bit of brit bashing?

  • Steve

    Ciaran, you know as well as I do they don’t give a toss about Afghanistan, rest assured if Britain backed the Taleban, Sinn Fein would back Karzai. Just look at how they supported the Third Reich instead of the free world in 1939! I think a bit of give and take wouldn’t go amiss. I believe that the Royal Irish, as local boys, have the right to parade through their home towns, equally I believe Sinn Fein have the right to hold rallies at City Hall too, but this is sure mischief making.

  • Steve

    And let’s be honest, Sinn Fein showed no abhorrence when their military wing massacred their fellow Irishmen eg Shankill bomb, Teebane, Bloody Friday, etc, etc, etc, etc. So how can you seriously expect us to believe they’re horrified at what happens to the Afghan people? And if they truly do support equality, how they can they oppose those fighting the sectarian, homophobic, and sexist Taleban? Surely they should congratulate the Royal Irish for upholding the values they themselves claim to espouse?

  • Driftwood

    Desperate tactics by SF to appeal to the lowest common denominator. They really are in dire straits. Hoping a good riot or someone killed will rekindle their pathetic image as republicans. The best they can hope for is that they kill a Prod or Brit to restore some prestige. Even better if a scumbag is killed by the police or Army at some ‘activist’ throwing a petrol bomb.Martyr, just going for a pint of milk.
    Same old, same old.
    Code word here fact

  • ciaran

    Actually I think sinn fein care about afghanistan quite a bit. And why can they not have an anti war protest? They have not called for anything other than a peaceful protest.
    As for the nazi connection that is laughable. I can find no way in which the ira actually did anything to help the nazis. But then again that was the ira and not sinn fein.
    “And if they truly do support equality, how they can they oppose those fighting the sectarian, homophobic, and sexist Taleban” ( sounds just like the dup doesn’t it), but just because you don’t like the way their religon treats its own people does not mean you can invade their country. That would be as weak an excuse as the one were they were going after bin laden and his gang. Especially after the taliban offered to turn him over to anyone other than the americans for trial.
    The war is wrong the soldiers fighting in it were wrong to go and a peaceful protest is the right thing to do.

  • ciaran

    driftwood, sinn fein are still the largest nationalist party in the north with no sign of that changing in the near future, so what on earth are you on about.

  • Steve

    Does the name Sean Russell mean anything to you? Or the drawing up of lists of the details of Jews living in the South by Sinn Fein? Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with Republican history before making farcical claims. And how can they complain about the plight of Afghan civilians when they showed no interest in the plight of civilians here when the Republican murder gangs roamed the streets? This is Brit bashing. Pure and simple.

  • ciaran

    steve maybe you should do more than look at the headlines and delve deeper into the story of russell.According to the germans he was not a faciast nor an anti semite. Quite the opposite in fact. He was using the germans to try and rid Ireland of the british.He was of course foolish to expect that the germans would want nothing in return.
    The UK Public Records Office has released files which show that, after intensive post-war interrogation of German intelligence agents at the highest level, British intelligence itself concluded in 1946 that “Russell throughout his stay in Germany had shown considerable reticence towards the Germans and plainly did not regard himself as a German agent”.
    “The Irishman was a hyper-sensitive Celt who, however willing he might be to use the Germans for his own political ends, regarded the Nazi philosophy as anathema”. That quote came from Erwin Lahousen, the first and most important witness for the prosecution at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials in 1945 whose evidence ensured that Hitler’s foreign minister Ribbentrop would be sentenced to death.
    There is more on russell but I don’t want to spoil it for you when you do look into his story
    Sinn fein have condemned murders carried out by the Ira. They have condemned all murders in the troubles as you well know. As for the brit bashing,sinn fein seem able to rise above that and maybe that is whats really annoying you.

  • Steve

    I fail to see how Sinn Fein are ‘rising above’ Brit bashing when they are in fact indulging in it. I’m also surprised you believe anything that comes from British intelligence. I presume you believe them when they deny collusion? Of course you do. I am well aware of my history thank you very much. Perhaps you should do some research yourself into Operation Kathleen, details of which have recently been released by Public Records. The IRA involvement makes fascinating reading. I won’t spoil it for you either. But getting back to the main point, Sinn Fein are trying to stoke up tension sure and simple. I still look forward to their protest at the Curragh or wherever they choose to protest at Irish involvement in the murder of Afghan civilians. i presume you’ll be supporting that and are equally ashamed of those with Tricolours on their sleeves serving out there?

  • ciaran

    If you have read about kathleen and sean hayes then you are extremley foolish using it as part of your argument given what the ira did to hayes.
    The extracts I qouted were not all from british intelligence, so easily verifiable.
    And yes if the irish government decide to hold a parade for the seven irish soldiers( who by the way are non-combatants-not that, that makes any difference I hasten to add) then I hope that sinn fein or some other party hold an anti war protest march.
    And no I am not ashamed of the tricolours they wear, but of those that are wearing them in afghanistan.But please remember, it was the british and americans who invaded that country and then dragged nato in with them. Maybe that is what made their allies so wary about backing the invasion of Iraq.

  • Steve

    If you are sincere about that then fair play to you and I respect that, I still believe the true motive behind Sinn Fein holding this protest is anti-Britishness, and nothing to do with Afghanistan. Perhaps if they had showed the same concern for their fellow man 40 years ago things may have been different!

  • eranu

    “I still believe the true motive behind Sinn Fein holding this protest is anti-Britishness”

    you and every other person. theres no politics or ideals or anything like that behind either protest. just a crowd of morlocks that have been brought up to have an automatic hate reaction to anything british. they dont know how to think any other way and cant adjust to a normal society. they hear of a homecoming parade and think that they have to do something against it. as time goes by, northern ireland is leaving these people further and further behind.
    it should be a striking contrast to see the well turned out and neat soldiers walking along compared to the rag bag of scum you know will be out to protest…

  • ciaran

    “it should be a striking contrast to see the well turned out and neat soldiers walking along compared to the rag bag of scum you know will be out to protest…”
    Thats a very sweeping statement, are you saying that anyone who wants to show their disapproval in the afghan conflict or the rir’s part in it are scum?

  • eranu

    ciaran, you me and everyone else knows that no one protesting has the foggiest clue about the afghan conflict. those sort of protesters made their point years ago when there were rallies all over the country.
    this protest is for people who sleep in their old sniper at work t shirt and have developed a nervous tick due to not being able to riot regularly. they will be the dregs that just cant change from looking for conflict to just getting on with their lives. if they have any sense they will dress things up with banners about such things as ‘unjust war’ etc etc. but we all know its window dressing.

    i expect sf will control their lot and try and make them as presentable as possible, which will be difficult. but the dissident ones should be a spectacle.

    on newsline the other day, when they reported from the rioting in craigavon, there was graffiti on a wall saying something about ‘stourmont sellout’ . im no great speller, but even i pissed myself at that one. thats the sort of people who will be out protesting.

  • Realist

    “Sinn fein have condemned murders carried out by the Ira. They have condemned all murders in the troubles as you well know.”

    They’ve condemned all murders in the troubles, have they?

    Can you provide us with the link to this revelation ciaran?

    Thanks.

  • ciaran

    Sorry realist I meant all sectarian murders(silly me).

  • Steve

    I don’t recall any condemnation by Sinn Fein of Shankill, La Mon, Teebane, etc. They may have made some broad brush statement condemning murder in principle, but they always link it to killings by security forces. I’ve never heard them unequivocally condemn a specific murder by the IRA. Still, I suppose self-criticism is the hardest thing to do.