“It’s absolutely not acceptable..”

Slugger’s inaugural MLA of the Year, Alliance Party deputy leader Naomi Long, was on the Politics Show today giving her party’s view of the current Northern Ireland Executive deadlock, and whether the Executive has anything to say about the credit crunch, as the war of words escalates..

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  • Patrick Stephens

    Fellow blogger Conall McDevitt from http://www.oconallstreet.com was also on. Pity you couldnt profile this too Pete.

  • Pete Baker

    Patrick

    It’s already edited and ready to go.. if you’d just be a little more patient..

    In the meantime, have you anything to say about the actual topic?

  • Dec

    “The Assembley can’t turn it (the Global Credit Crunch) around completely.”

    Priceless.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    The Alliance party now aligns itself with the DUP veto and will hopefully suffer appropriately at the polls in Nationalist areas.

    The DUP have held up progress on Police and because of that she concludes that the executive is not ready to deal properly with the police issue – this being partly down to the Alliance party’s failure to play a contructive role. Shocking stuff.

    Why no seperate post on what Dawn Purvis said – the first Unionist politician with the balls to lay the blame at the door of the DUP and tell them to get on with it?

  • Ann

    The Alliance didn’t ever have much fortunes in nationalist areas anyway Sammy Mc.

    She really does go on doesn’t she…telling us the obvious….

    What she really means is, see the alliance are moaning about all the others so vote for us so we can moan some more. Still punching above there weight and still nobodys listening…..thats the history of the Alliance at Stormont.

  • Ann

    Sorry about the spelling…

  • Rory

    And this one won an award on Slugger for something or other. What was it for – solipsism?

  • I can understand Rory’s sentiments. In this mode, the delectable Miss Long can be very hard to take. But she is also clearly talented and hard working, as well as insufferable. Most of our MLAs are just insufferable.

  • Ann

    What was it for – solipsism?

    Comedy?

  • Doreen

    Naomi Long is Mrs Long, and I see nothing insufferable about her.

  • CMB

    Ann

    She really does go on doesn’t she…telling us the obvious….

    I completely agree members of the Alliance Party are like parrots they have only one speech and sing only one song. They are always right and everyone else is either misguided or downright wrong. They think they are Northern Ireland’s answer in politics; they act like they are God’s answer in life, but golly they are anything but Northern Ireland’s answer to the people of Northern Ireland that is why they have only a minority of elected members.

    They are like parasites feeding of the woes of the people of Northern Ireland for their own political ends, but I am glad to say the folk here know better, no matter how much they moan the electorate see through them. They are aloof and unquestionably you need to look no further than the lady in question for proof of that, she does not talk to you or try to reason an argument with you she talks at you, she is always right and has no humility to boot.

    As regard to them punching above their weight they have always done that, you just need to look at the list of Alliance names in Quango land to see that. You did not need to merit the post or have any brains or qualifications you just needed to be a card carrying member of the Alliance Party and that got you on. SO much for the merit principle.

  • Rory

    Dec has already picked up on “The Assembly can’t turn it (the Global Credit Crunch) around completely.” which I not only also noticed but was actually waiting for. It’s the kind of thing that not very adroit politicos say when really they have nothing to say.

    As Ann remarked she does have a talent for restating the bleedin’ obvious. Only a few days ago she came up with the not very novel idea that outdoor exercise might be beneficial to childrens’ health.

    Still there is one thing positive to say – with original thinkers like her condemned always to a political minority there is a hope that all might not yet be lost in the wee sociopolitical abortion that is Northern Ireland.

    Doreen tells us that she is “Mrs Long” and I trust she is happily married. Doreen also says that she is not insufferable so I have to believe that she is not. I did notice however that, despite her name, she doesn’t appear to be very, er, long!

  • ??

    Why no seperate post on what Dawn Purvis said – the first Unionist politician with the balls to lay the blame at the door of the DUP and tell them to get on with it?
    Posted by It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it on Oct 12, 2008 @ 03:48 PM

    Dawn Purvis speaks for the political wing of the UVF, what they think of law and order isnt worth listening too, they are criminals and terrorists.

  • Greenflag

    CMB,

    ‘They are like parasites feeding of the woes of the people of Northern Ireland for their own political ends’

    Unlike the non parasitical DUP and SF and UUP who continue to draw salaries while doing nothing with their rear endsapart from parking them ?

    ‘she is always right and has no humility to boot.’

    I like that in a person 😉 It’s so Greenflag 🙂

    Never knew Uriah Heap Paisley to be a leader in the humble pie stakes nor McGuiness /Adams either .

    Mrs Long is stating just the the obvious re the economic crisis . She does’nt have to state anything re the Assembly . It’s a glorified talking shop and a waste of money !

    The problem is not the Aliance party -the problem is the NI State in it’s present format .

  • Greenflag

    ??

    ‘no separate post on what Dawn Purvis said – the first Unionist politician with the balls’

    EH ? Dawn Purvis is a very nice lady of the opposite sex and you should be ashamed of yourself to suggest that she has acquired ‘male’ equipment . Dawn speaks up for the marginalised Prods in Belfast and good luck to her – they need more like her !

  • Dave

    “They are like parasites feeding of the woes of the people of Northern Ireland for their own political ends…” – CMB

    Good line, and generically true about the party political system and vast majority of the political class. The great and the good, with very few exceptions, steer clear of the populism of the Great Unwashed, leaving only ne’er-do-well hacks with delusions of grandeur and a reach well beyond their feeble grasp. Still, you folks elect them…

  • The short answer to the first question posed in the interview is “Irrelevant”. The rest of the interview is hot air.

    I suggest that the last thing “people” need is a preening display of “confidence” from our local politicians. A much better idea would be to save the public purse and sack them the lot. Why should these parasites at Stormont be paid so royally (If Republicans will excuse the pun)when in fact they do nothing? In a credit crunch, time to cut the flab and we could start with the 108 fat cats whose sole purpose appears to be to appear on TV programmes and attend award galas. Oops!

  • DC

    The Alliance Party are like GPs/physicians, able to point out in an articulate way the causes of the problems and highlight the symptoms too; however, they are not surgeons and do not get the gloves on nor get hands dirty to operate on Northern Ireland body-politic.

    Often seen hanging around the operating theatre in disgust while unionism and nationalism together keep on crudely botching up the operations.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Sammy etc,

    The Alliance party now aligns itself with the DUP veto and will hopefully suffer appropriately at the polls in Nationalist areas.

    I remember the DUP predicting that Alliance would get wiped out after they supported Alex Maskey for Lord Mayor a few years ago. They, like you, failed to understand the way Alliance targets it’s votes, through the issues rather than on tribal lines.

    The next election will be a referendum on the record of the executive as a whole, not just the failure to deliver on policing and justice. You may well be right that SF’s abstention policy will be reaffirmed at that time by the electorate, but I think it’s a massive gamble.

    The DUP have held up progress on Police and because of that she concludes that the executive is not ready to deal properly with the police issue – this being partly down to the Alliance party’s failure to play a contructive role. Shocking stuff.

    What could Alliance have done that would have changed it ? Alliance have already more or less agreed to take the seat, given certain conditions being met during negotiation.

    CMB:

    I completely agree members of the Alliance Party are like parrots they have only one speech and sing only one song.

    That’s some bizarre shit. You mean parties like the DUP and Sinn Fein are more original and stand for more issues than Alliance do ? I’d love it if you could elaborate.

    The only parroting I hear here is a person repeating the same old unsubstantiated nonsense about Alliance, “they’re all things to all people, they’re middle of the road, they don’t believe in anything”. What the party stands for is crystal clear and it’s listed right there on it’s website. You might not agree with it, but you can’t argue that it stands for nothing and you certainly can’t argue that it is a single issue party – as if the DUP and SF aren’t single issue parties.

    They are always right and everyone else is either misguided or downright wrong.

    What way should they behave then ? What political party on the face of the earth argues that the other parties are right and that it’s own ideas will not work ? You’re not making a lot of sense.

    They think they are Northern Ireland’s answer in politics;

    That’s because they are. And it looks like the DUP and Sinn Fein agree, because without Alliance there is next to no chance of them agreeing on a minister for the department of justice, if and when it is devolved.

    they act like they are God’s answer in life, but golly they are anything but Northern Ireland’s answer to the people of Northern Ireland that is why they have only a minority of elected members.

    Just because the party has yet to persuade many people to vote for it does not itself mean that it is wrong. Obviously, the party has a message and people can take it or leave it. But the fact that you don’t have many votes today does not mean you should keep your opinions to yourself. How else do political parties grow ?

    They are like parasites feeding of the woes of the people of Northern Ireland for their own political ends,

    In what way ?

    but I am glad to say the folk here know better, no matter how much they moan the electorate see through them. They are aloof and unquestionably you need to look no further than the lady in question for proof of that, she does not talk to you or try to reason an argument with you she talks at you, she is always right and has no humility to boot.

    Why should she have humility ? She’s not having a discussion, she’s giving an interview. What way should she behave ? What’s the difference between her, and Gerry Adams, arguably one of the most arrogant and pompous elected representatives on these islands ?

    As regard to them punching above their weight they have always done that, you just need to look at the list of Alliance names in Quango land to see that.

    Go ahead, read the list out to me. Let’s hear about the hundreds of Alliance members being paid on quangos ?

  • IJP

    Comrade

    Actually, the fact Alliance people are trusted on quangos is similar to the fact only Alliance seems to be trusted on Policing and Justice. Maybe the other parties should ask why they’re not so trusted?

    Sammy McN

    Do you spend your entire life on Slugger just trying to get the first post on anything linked to Alliance?!

    As for this failure to play a constructive role, you will note that absolutely no one has spoken to Alliance about playing any role in Policing and Justice (or anything else) whatsoever.

    That Alliance has a role at all is down to its Assembly Team’s proactivity, seeking out meetings with each of the four parties (not Alliance’s fault one refused to respond – and it wasn’t SF btw); seeking out meetings with the NIO to find out what the policing and justice issues really are administratively; seeking out meetings with voluntary sector bodies on education reform, mental health funding, and the other key gridlock issues.

    Anything else you would advise? Because you’ll excuse us leaving the gay-bashing, burning rivals’ pictures and daft abstentionism to the others…

  • Comrade Stalin

    IJP, agreed, and thanks for the correction.

    Other than Alderdice and his presence on the IMC, I can’t think of any major quangoes that the party sits on. I’m sure there are some, but there aren’t many and where they exist I don’t imagine they’re high profile.

  • Was the late Bob Cooper not an Alliance person? And in fairness to Alliance, the Women’s Coalition has stitched up a fair few of the traditional Alliance posts. The fact that people are able to say who sits on the quangoes and not get an immediate rush of names is of course a demonstration of the problems with how we are governed.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    IJP,

    I have posted many times (as you mentioned) on the muddle that is the Alliance Party’s position on what it might/would/would not do in any proposed justice ministry.

    But one thing is clear from the above statement by Ms Long is that they are supporting the DUP veto on the policing issue – an issue that could well bring Stormo down – in spite of the fact that both governments have stated they want progress on this issue. Surely there are some sensible people in the Alliance party who have some recollection of why the party was set up in the first place?

  • Greenflag

    IWSMNWDI,

    ‘But one thing is clear from the above statement by Ms Long is that they are supporting the DUP veto on the policing issue – an issue that could well bring Stormo down’

    In that case it’ll be a constructive day’s work -bringing Stormo down I mean .

    36 years is long enough trying to resurrect the ‘dead’ . This Assembly will not walk on water . It is demised – deceased – a non Assembly -it has ceased to exist .

    Apart from that it is a waste of taxpayer’s money ! Said taxpayer’s money is neede to ‘save’ banks and retirement funds that is much more important to people in NI than a ‘no talking shop’

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Grenflag

    Jaw Jaw or War War

  • DC

    I have to agree with the sentiments of the likes of IWSMWDI and Greenflag.

    The prescription required is what the two governments have already said is required.

    Failure to provide leadership, which is actually easier than managing change or administration of government, is the key problem here at the moment.

    It just doesn’t make sense because deadlock will continue then after having the physicians tell us the cause of the problems, the surgeons botch the operation, the consultants will have to come back once again, i.e. the two governments, and do the thing right.

    This will be based on a wide reading of public and political opinion, perhaps tempered a little given the current priorities in getting more for less out of front line services, rather than getting all sentimental with peace process platitudes.

    Yes it is an inspiration that the DUP and SF sit down together but in these times it is more inspirational to sit down and deliver some innovate thought that can help people out in economically tight situations.

    But, as I was saying, it is beyond me as to why there are so many problems with leadership, and once again it will have to be the two governments that will have to step in unless progress is made soon. It might be a case of closing the chapter or closing the book.

    But in the interim the MLAs shouldn’t be getting paid full whack for little to no achievements. The executive and OFMDFM are mere titles, the authority slipped away 4 months ago while MLA pay bizarrely remains the same for positions which aren’t really being fulfilled.

  • Greenflag

    IWSMNWDI,

    Jaw Jaw or War War

    They are not the only choices sammy.

    The sound of silence is much underrated coming from this lot 😉

    There’s no going back and there’s no going forward .

    As DC says it’s an absolute disgrace that these so called ‘politicians ‘ continue to get paid . If the people of NI had any spunk left they would be staging mass demonstrations outside the offices of the DUP and SF .

    But in truth many just don’t care anymore . More are seeing this Assembly as just another ‘jobs for the boys ‘ gravy train . As long as these ‘wretches ‘are being ladled out their salary soup they have no incentive to move forward .

    It’s the ‘blame game ‘ ad infinitum and when you examine in depth politics in NI you can’t realitically expect it to be anything else .

    In a very real sense the problem is not solely the politicians -they are merely performing ‘rats ‘ locked into a tight fitting political strait jacket (D’Hondt & Assembly) inside the larger political cage/strait jacket of NI as it’s presently set up.

    If I were resident of NI I would’nt be expecting a whole lot from this ‘lot’ or any possible replacement after any election either now or in 2011 .

    The world moves on . NI can’t move on and in a political sense can’t move at all.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I have posted many times (as you mentioned) on the muddle that is the Alliance Party’s position on what it might/would/would not do in any proposed justice ministry.

    The party doesn’t have a position, because it has not yet received a proposal.

    But one thing is clear from the above statement by Ms Long is that they are supporting the DUP veto on the policing issue

    Sorry, but the veto was negotiated and agreed by Sinn Fein, not the Alliance Party. And it’s a mutual veto, as is quite obvious by what’s going on.

    – an issue that could well bring Stormo down – in spite of the fact that both governments have stated they want progress on this issue.

    The whole point of devolution is that the governments don’t get involved. It’s a waste of time to devolve things and then appeal to the governments to go over everyone’s heads.

    Surely there are some sensible people in the Alliance party who have some recollection of why the party was set up in the first place?

    Yes there are, and whenever they receive a proposal for the devolution of policing and justice, I see no reason to believe why they won’t give it their full consideration. In the meantime, I can’t see how you can blame Alliance for not supporting a proposal that they haven’t seen yet. That’s a bit unfair.

  • marysavage

    she is a little rough looking isn’t she any good lookers up there in Stormont?

  • marysavage

    sorry that was a wee bit sexist i mean looks arent everything are they…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i think of iris and i want die

  • marysavage

    That should read I want to die nor just die silly me