Ryanair: just how cheap?

The trouble at Alitalia underlines just how powerful a departure Ryanair’s imitation of Southwest Airlines was for the European air industry. Yet, even as they take evasive action in the fuel crisis, they are surely taking risks with their ‘it’ll cost ya’ frills, espeically around their increasingly complex baggage allowance rates. My last two return flights with Ryanair (from Glasgow and Belfast) ended up costing us an extra twenty quid each time. You have to wonder just how sustainable this new ‘hidden cost’ model is.

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  • El Paso

    Do we really need a new thread every time Mick parts with £20?

  • Doctor Who

    To be fair Mick Ryanair is not the only airline at it, at all busy Med. airports Thomson have staff by the check-ins ready to pounce should a passenger have a half a kilo more luggage than stated on their booking. I was recently asked to pay 27 euros for having 3 kilos more in my suit case than my 20 kilo allowance. The fact that I had no hand luggage didn´t matter to the vulture from Thomsom.

  • El Paso

    Mick kind of answers his own question regarding sustainability – he paid up twice afer all.
    As a great philosopher and leader once said “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

  • Mick Fealty

    EP:

    Indeed, although I think you misunderstand my point. I don’t mind paying the money, so long as it is clear and up front. I particularly don’t like having to re-pack bags or have to buy a new one I don’t need, because they’ve subtly shifted their terms and conditions.

  • El Paso

    Darn and bother! That old world just keeps on a changin’. Seems like your staunch conservatism is not confined to Norn Iron Unionism but embraces air travel and luggage design as well. Is that didddly-dee airline’s “oirishness” part of the problem, at all?

  • Ryanair may be operating at the margins of financial probity in how they book flights.
    Am I the only person who attempts to book and then finds that information requested and provided is not accepted and the connection times out and then re-connection finds that the price goes up!
    Strange that eh?
    It could be that their computer system is less than perfect (funny how easy it is to blame technology as a weasel way out of a problem) but the price rises make me suspicious, naturally. It may also be that this is a particularly clever way of getting more money in at source without it seeming to be a direct charge.
    Low cost airways are not low cost in many ways at all now.

  • Mick Fealty

    Look EP, if you want to talk about the subject be my guest. I’ve been pretty straight about the premise for the ‘complaint’. If you think it’s crap, say so. But spare us the playground games of ‘guess the sub text’…

  • El Paso

    Two anti-Ryanair threads on the go at the same time…not much ‘sub’ to that text.

  • Rory

    Looking up into the sky over Hackney Marshes last week I spotted a large balloon sporting the Virgin logo. Was this I sign I wondered that Virgin Airlines was also in trouble and intended replacing its fleet with a more cost-efficient, eco-friendly fleet of carriers.

    No doubt Sir Richard Branson could also help to reduce costs by doubling up as an air hostess in a fetching blue skirt and jacket from Dior

  • Darn and bother! That old world just keeps on a changin’. Seems like your staunch conservatism is not confined to Norn Iron Unionism but embraces air travel and luggage design as well. Is that didddly-dee airline’s “oirishness” part of the problem, at all?

    Great, respond to criticism of an airline with political abuse…

    I’ve never noticed much Oirish about Lyinair actually. Is that eye-spankingly flourescent yellow on the upholstery supposed to be Oirish?

    Am I the only person who attempts to book and then finds that information requested and provided is not accepted and the connection times out and then re-connection finds that the price goes up!

    Nope, happens to me too, the main reason why I never fly Lyinair.

    You have to wonder just how sustainable this new ‘hidden cost’ model is.

    It’s sustainable for as long as people are willing to take part in it.

  • Mark McGregor

    I won’t touch them for one simple reason that seems to be ignored in concerns about prices for bags and timeouts – they won’t recognise the right of employees to organise and be represented by unions. If they treat their workers with contempt its a sure bet they’ll do the same with passengers.

    Admittedly my stance won’t have any impact when the price of a phonecall on board is of greater concern to the majority than something like worker rights.

  • The Watchman

    I’d rather streak down Sandy Row on the Eleventh Night wearing only a tricolour, than fly Ryanair.

    A ghastly crowd led by a total gobsh*te. Makes me glad not to be Irish.

  • Mark,

    good point.

  • Some of it is starting to be rolled back. Air Canada just announced the second bag fee is going and the fuel surcharge is being rolled into the fare. Air Canada listening to customers – what will they think of next…

  • Valenciano

    One other “hidden” cost is Ryanair’s tendency to fly to far flung airports in rural areas which are nowhere near the metropolis they’re named after. For example catch Ryanair flys to “Stockholm” Skavsta rather than the closer Arlanda airport. Fly to Skavsta and you’ll be hit for 27 euro for the 90 minute bus journey to the city. Would be nice if the EU sorted out the misnaming of airports.

  • My favourite Ryanair scam was when the tried calling Malmö (Sweden, and a big enough city in it’s own right) “Copenhagen Malmö”.

  • El Paso

    Malmo & Copenhagen are effectively twin cities linked by a road and rail bridge. What a SCAM!
    It’s easier to get to Malmo city centre from Schipol than to Dublin city centre from that God foresaken shambles on the Belfast road.

  • El Paso

    Of course Schipol is in Amsterdam but the comparison with Dublin airport still holds up.