Bush, Cheney exposed as never before

Update. Seven men face bomb plot retrial. This is a rare and legally difficult move, entailing the risks of double jeopardy, being tried on the same evidence twice.

There’s a long chain linking your tube of toothpaste to al Qaida and it runs through the White House. We have it from Peter Clarke head of Met counter terrorism at the time that it was the big feet of the CIA that wrecked a British intelligence operation to net the whole of al Qaida intelligence, planning to blow up half a dozen US airlines in 2005. The trial at the British end proved conspiracy on Monday but not in the actual plot. Who was to blame? Who else but veep Dick Cheney. US motives and strategy are slammed by Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins, no casual leftie: “Months of work, which might have unpicked an entire al-Qaida network back to the Pakistani training camps, was ruined by “forced, foolish hastiness” – and all for the mid-term elections” This operation was but one of a pattern begun when the US faked evidence of links between Saddam and al Qaida, recounted by US sleuth Ron Susskind and surprise – denied by the CIA. . The US politicians aren’t denying anything so far, though the US MSM have still to pick up on Monday’s acquittal on the second count, the specific airline bomb charge. The bomb plot fiasco in the trial just ended puts critics of the “ war on terror” in a dilemma. Do they slam Cheney, Bush and co for wrecking a brilliant British intelligence operation? ( I heard a US former counter terrrorism chief on Newsnight last night claiming MI5 and MI6 were far superior to their US counterparts). Or do they sneer at the British account as just hype from the securocrats?

What we know is that for the airport check-in we’ll still have to separate out those tubes and bottles bigger than 100 mils from the rest – if we can tell the difference. While in Afghanistan, they’ve much more to worry about than toiletries. In spite of the worsening collateral damage, according to a major Washington Post report on the hunt for bin Laden, the use of drones to bomb targets is set to expand, in a major shift of strategy from Iraq to Afghanistan, announced by President Bush yesterday.

  • 6countyprod

    Being right should count for something:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/09/021468.php

  • percy

    whilst this may appear to be progressive thinking, aren’t they just fudge-finding, and trying to build reality on top of fantasy .
    House built on sand don’t last.
    North’s been airbrushed out of all things British

  • circles

    Hmmm 6CP I can see we won’t agree on this one. Are you essentialy saying that Bush was right to go to war in Iraq, even though (and as your linked article acknowledges) “prior to the war, he was plagued by an intelligence agency that was largely clueless about the situation in Iraq”? (i.e. that he hd no idea what was going on in Iraq).
    The fact that the Bush government lied to the entire world regarding WMDs in Iraq and lied directly to the american public regarding a link between Saddam and al-Qaida should count for a lot more than the fact that the most sophisticated, expensive and best equipped mlitary machine in the world finally worked out a way to beat a rag-tag group of insurgents afer over 3 years.
    Being right should count for something but not when you’re completely in the wrong.

  • Johnny

    There would also be criticism if the authorities had waited too long to pounce on the terrorists and innocent life had been lost.

    All intelligence agencies believed Saddam had WMD’s, stop yer blabbing.

    In fact, he did have WMDs, not to the extent or scope that was believed however

  • Tazia Doll

    “I heard a US former counter terrrorism chief on Newsnight last night claiming MI5 and MI6 were far superior to their US counterparts”

    Give me a break, what does Ulster tell us? MI6 was run by the KGB, MI5 little better, and nothing has really improved.

    The Brits are not taken terribly seriously, so if they did have something, it might be treated as more of the same.

    But at one level, the Brits did counter-espionage because they had to.

    The Americans had a more reliable work force. They could indoctrinate hundreds into secrets the Brits could only trust to a few.

  • Tazia Doll

    “All intelligence agencies believed Saddam had WMD’s, stop yer blabbing. ”

    If he had anything, he would have made plans to use them, he clearly didn’t have anything worth talking about.

    Which is why nobody bothered to ask if he could hit London or Cyprus, so when Blair was spouting that British territory could be hit, nobody had asked whether than was a base on Cyprus or London.

    Everybody knew the Iraqis didn’t have a serious capacity to use chemical weapons.

  • Wilde Rover

    Johnny,

    “There would also be criticism if the authorities had waited too long to pounce on the terrorists and innocent life had been lost.”

    Of all the ignorant statements I have come across on Slugger (and there have been quite a few) this must rank up there close to the very top.

    Pounce on which terrorists? There were no Al Quaeda in Iraq under Saddam. Al Quaeda referred to Saddam as their enemy. Now, of course, in the chaos of occupation, Iraq is an easy place for any terrorist group to operate, so if the intention of the war was to reduce the threat of terrorism then it ranks up there as one of the greatest military debacles in history.

    Are you seriously suggesting that Saddam, erstwhile puppet of the US, was going to attack the US with these fantasy WMDs you referred to later even if he had some? Evil tyrant yes, but not exactly stupid.

    Are you that myopic that you think no innocent life has been lost? The occupation has resulted in a civil war scenario, the cradle of civilization was allowed to be looted, the intelligentsia is either being taken out one by one or forced to flee the country, the land and water has been contaminated, perhaps forever, by depleted uranium, and an entire generation of children is growing up in a psychological nightmare.

    That people still find a way to rationalize this madness is thoroughly depressing.

  • BfB

    That people still find a way to rationalize this madness is thoroughly depressing.

    You’re a whining anti-US tin hat. Get a life. Every one of these pro Saddam ‘journalists’ aren’t worth the sweat off of the left nut of any US private. The only thing depleted is your sense of reality..

  • Greenflag

    Bfb ,

    I hear the Iranians are somewhat relieved now that your Mrs Palin is gung ho for an invasion of Russia . Has anybody told her the Russians unlike the Iranians actually have nuclear weapons which can reach Boston in 3 minutes ? Is she aware of previous failed attempts to ‘invade’Russia . The Public Library where she tried to indulge in ‘book burning’ has I’m sure numerous tomes on the failed attempts of Messrs Napoleon and Hitler .

    This ‘wacko ‘ would be VP sure knows the road to Armageddon .

  • Greenflag

    wilde rover

    ‘That people still find a way to rationalize this madness is thoroughly depressing.;

    Naw they have a new plan – it’s called invading Russia instead of Iran 🙁 Apparently the Russians have weapons of mass destruction so based on the success of the Iraq invasion it only makes sense to follow up with a Russian invasion instead of an Iranian one 🙁

    Bfb will no doubt approve this latest brilliant foreign policy initiative by I’m only a heart beat away from the red button Mrs Impalin 🙁

  • Greenflag

    wilde rover

    ‘That people still find a way to rationalize this madness is thoroughly depressing.;

    Naw they have a new plan – it’s called invading Russia instead of Iran 🙁 Apparently the Russians have weapons of mass destruction so based on the success of the Iraq invasion it only makes sense to follow up with a Russian invasion instead of an Iranian one 🙁

    Bfb will no doubt approve this latest brilliant foreign policy initiative by ‘I’m only a heart beat away from the red button’ Mrs Impalin 🙁

  • Bob from Boston,

    “You’re a whining anti-US”

    So any criticism, even from countries that you are supposed to be on friendly terms, is considered anti-US. You’re either with us, or with the terrorists, eh Bob?

    “tin hat.”

    I believe the expression is tin foil hat wearer. I don’t see the connection between a critique of US foreign policy and people who wear tin foil on their heads to stop the aliens from reading their thoughts, but then again I suppose you weren’t interested in addressing any of the points I have raised.

    “Get a life.”

    Again, what this has to do with the topic at hand I have no idea, but I imagine it is as good as anything to write when you have nothing to say.

    “Every one of these pro Saddam ‘journalists’”

    How quickly Americans forget. Are you even aware that Saddam was your ally for a long period of time? Did you even know that Saddam asked America for permission to invade Kuwait after Kuwait practiced slant drilling into Iraq, or is that just another vital tit bit of information that has been lost down the memory hole?

    But now, of course, Saddam has always been an enemy of America.

    “aren’t worth the sweat off of the left nut of any US private.”

    When you are backed into a corner with no way to refute an argument, dragging out the troops is always a good way to pull at the heart strings.

    Except this is coming from an armchair general that has no qualms in placing these troops in harms way, and by actually increasing the potential threat against the US.

    Your cavalier attitude is the very reason why these troops needlessly throw away their lives in a pointless war. If you are looking to assign blame then you need not look any further than the mirror.

    “The only thing depleted is your sense of reality.”

    Ah, the old Stalinist trick of accusing any critics of mental illness.

    Well done Bob, you have outdone yourself this time, even by your very low standards.

  • Wilde Rover

    Greenflag,

    That does seem to be the case, but Obama’s chief foreign policy adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is also well known for his cold war feelings towards Russia.

    It would appear that both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party feel mutually assured destruction is no longer a serious deterrent.

  • 6countyprod

    Greenflag, ‘Book burning’?!?

    Are you aware of anything that goes on outside you little fantasy, leftwing cocoon?

    Updated: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

  • BfB

    Greenie

    You’ve finally landed under the bridge! Palin has sent you round the bend!!
    The book rant has been debunked many times over…
    Yeesh, pull yourself up. You’re much more fun when only mildly deranged.

  • BfB

    WR

    You’re an anti-American nutter, plain and simple. You’re best suited for niggling about the Giants Causeway, or capturing cow farts as an alternative energy source (investment opportunity!). Leave the real issues to rational adults.

  • Johnny

    Wilde Rover

    ‘“There would also be criticism if the authorities had waited too long to pounce on the terrorists and innocent life had been lost.”

    Of all the ignorant statements I have come across on Slugger (and there have been quite a few) this must rank up there close to the very top. ‘

    I was referring to the terrorists on trial in the UK. Some were criticizing the US’s influence on British intelligence by making them arrest them without giving them more time to develop their plot and incriminate themselves.

  • Johnny

    You guys are ridiculous if you think the US is going to attack Russia or would even hint at it. Not worth commenting.

    Some people will believe anything that fits into their hysterical, anti-US viewpoints.

  • Wilde Rover

    Bob from Boston,

    “You’re an anti-American nutter, plain and simple.”

    Again, an accusation of insanity without addressing any of the points raised above.

    I’m the one arguing that American soldiers shouldn’t be sent off to these places to die for no reason. If that makes me anti-American, what does that make you, the person who is happy to see them die?

    “Leave the real issues to rational adults.”

    I’m still waiting for a rational response.

    All these points stand. That you have not refuted them is very telling.

    Johnny,

    I got the wrong end of the stick there. My apologies.

  • circles

    “You guys are ridiculous if you think the US is going to attack Russia or would even hint at it. Not worth commenting.”

    Johnny – i think the ridiculous description would be best directed at the person who originally brought up the topic of war with Russia. You know, that lady from Alaska who McCain picked as VP candidate because, ahhh, she is female and conservative. The one who has been to mexico and canada – oh and Iraq and germany the other year (hows that for foreign policy experience?). The one who has no idea what the Bush Doctrine of “pre-emptive war” is. The one who wanted the bridge to nowhere but says she didn’t. Well she was the one who brought that up.
    And yes it is ridiculous.